Living - working in Turkey |
|
|
|
|
|
Living with the locals!
|
| 40. |
17 Jan 2007 Wed 02:23 am |
|
Quoting robyn  : Quoting aenigma x: I do agree with your comments, but I don't think the UK is alone. Go to London and you will find the Turkish areas, Chinese areas, Latin areas etc. People live with their own countrymen and eat their own food etc.
Regarding holidays, I agree to a point, but have also been guilty of going to a country "just" to lay on the beach and relax for 2 weeks - sometimes its all you want to do, after a years hard work. People dont consider those who go on winter ski-ing holidays to be ignoring culture do they? Its not different
|
but don't you think if people do live in their own seperate communities that it affects integration and increases boundaries between the two groups socially?for example.increasing racial tension between the two groups..or even problems with the second or third generations of children that attend schools? |
in australia you will also find lots of chinese areas, greek areas, turkish areas, vietnamese areas, etc. this is due to immigrants seeking out their country men as a safety net and to seek people with similar backgrounds as them. this occurs more frequently if the immigrants don't speak english. they usually congregate all together because in reality it is hard to socially integrate into a foreign culture and community, especially if they don't speak the native language and if they look a little different than the majority of the population.
also, you have to remember that in a lot of these cultures, extended families living together or right near each other, is the norm. so it is easy for them when family members migrate that they go and stay in the same house or area as their other family members.
unfortunately, this can and does cause racial tensions, as it is seen as the forming of ethnic ghettos and enclaves. and it is seen as the people not integrating into society.
usually the 2nd and 3rd generations of children born of these immigrants that settle in these ethnic areas have been able to integrate into society. the 3rd generation and onwards will do a better job of it of course.
you will usually find that immigrants who can speak the native language of the country they are moving to, won't settle into these ethnic areas, but will branch out and establish themselves fully into society, but usually still maintaining a link with their culture.
anyway, i could go on and on talking about sociological matters, but i think that is another thread 
|
|
| 41. |
17 Jan 2007 Wed 02:55 am |
|
Quoting aenigma x: I do agree with your comments, but I don't think the UK is alone. Go to London and you will find the Turkish areas, Chinese areas, Latin areas etc. People live with their own countrymen and eat their own food etc. |
I agree and disagree with you on that point. Some like to stick with their national neighbours but a lot like to mix in too.
For example: my Turkish uncles moved to the UK and they mixed in well and became a member of the society, as did my British uncle who moved to Australia
Also when I walk into a Turkish shop or as such I talk to them (somtimes in Turkish - depends on my mood lol) and now when I walk in there they are all like "hey! how are you doing? " or "heeey! nasılsınız? " lol or in this one particular place i go into it's just a general friendly greeting.... "selamünaleyküm  "
So I find that if you mix in with them, they find it more easier to settle in and become part of the society they moved into and they enjoy it more
|
|
| 42. |
17 Jan 2007 Wed 04:44 am |
|
Ok, I'll admit it. When I lived abroad for 4 years not once coming home my BIGGEST joy was going once a month to McDonald's to get pancakes on Sunday! Sorry folks when you live abroad surrounded by entirely new culture 24/7 there are moments that YES you want something familiar!!!! Let me not even tell you the joy of discovering a WALMART in the country I was living in...and let me not forget after searching for 1.5 years of finding a lone dusty jar of Skippy Peanut Butter, they never sold it again  !!!!!!!!!! So, for those who have lived abroad for some time I think they will understand this. For those of you who haven't lived for a considerable amount of time, i'm talking longer then 2-4 months, you won't understand this mentality.
Also, I'm a native Californian and laying around a beach staring at the water is something we do. So if it's Turkey, Barbados, Spain or Brazil it's ALL GOOD!!!! But, I have to say that there are times that one wants to see the museums and other historical sites and experience the culture. However, for some vacations are too short and some really just need the rest. I fortunately have 3 months every summer...so I can lay at the beach for 6 weeks and when I'm rested enough, I take off trekking and discovering!
I don't think people have to vacation any particular way. Nor are they obligated to make every experience an 'educational' learning one. Vacation is what one makes or thinks it should be!
|
|
| 43. |
17 Jan 2007 Wed 05:46 am |
|
Capoeira - I so agree with you (this time)!
|
|
| 44. |
17 Jan 2007 Wed 07:13 am |
|
Quoting aenigma x: ...in addition, I personally LOVE Turkish food. But how many Turkish LOVE English food, Italian food or Indian food for example or would even dare try it?
We are all the same in many ways... |
Well my husband loves Indian food specially the Chicken Tikka Masala and Rogan Josh because it’s not a ‘typical British type of dull food’. That’s what his exact words are.
I had a golden opportunity to visit Turkey with my husband for mere 5 days and I agree with him completely now – holiday resorts and tourist beaches is not the real Turkey.
I am married to a Turkish man and am settled now. I found it very difficult to cope up with new culture, specially the language. I used to think that I am not welcomed here because I am an Indian. But then it took time for me to adjust and when the news of my pregnancy came I saw real colors of Turks around me. They are very friendly and cooperative. It’s true that I miss Indian food and India on the whole but I have to get accustomed to Turkish food and I like it very much. I love Turkey as well.
It’s true when we live in community pockets we increase the gap between two cultures. When I decided to marry him I told myself to mix up with the new culture as well. And now I dont feel like leaving this country but somewhere in the corner of my mind I want to see India as well.
Yes we are all the same in many ways...so true aenigma
|
|
| 45. |
17 Jan 2007 Wed 06:28 pm |
|
Quoting catwoman: Capoeira - I so agree with you (this time)! |
Miracles do happen!
|
|
| 46. |
17 Jan 2007 Wed 07:28 pm |
|
Quoting Capoeira: Quoting catwoman: Capoeira - I so agree with you (this time)! |
Miracles do happen! |
 I wonder if anymore good miracles will happen
|
|
| 47. |
17 Jan 2007 Wed 07:43 pm |
|
Quoting Capoeira: Ok, I'll admit it. When I lived abroad for 4 years not once coming home my BIGGEST joy was going once a month to McDonald's to get pancakes on Sunday! Sorry folks when you live abroad surrounded by entirely new culture 24/7 there are moments that YES you want something familiar!!!! Let me not even tell you the joy of discovering a WALMART in the country I was living in...and let me not forget after searching for 1.5 years of finding a lone dusty jar of Skippy Peanut Butter, they never sold it again !!!!!!!!!! So, for those who have lived abroad for some time I think they will understand this. For those of you who haven't lived for a considerable amount of time, i'm talking longer then 2-4 months, you won't understand this mentality.
Also, I'm a native Californian and laying around a beach staring at the water is something we do. So if it's Turkey, Barbados, Spain or Brazil it's ALL GOOD!!!! But, I have to say that there are times that one wants to see the museums and other historical sites and experience the culture. However, for some vacations are too short and some really just need the rest. I fortunately have 3 months every summer...so I can lay at the beach for 6 weeks and when I'm rested enough, I take off trekking and discovering!
I don't think people have to vacation any particular way. Nor are they obligated to make every experience an 'educational' learning one. Vacation is what one makes or thinks it should be! |
Capo I 100% agree with this post - its exactly how I feel, but could not have expressed it as well
Re: MacDonalds - I absolutely loathe them. Apart from being vegetarian, I despise the whole ethos behind them. However... my strong principles were driven away when, after working in China for a few weeks, I stumbled on a MacDonalds and (horror of horrors!) ate my first burger in 18 years!!! It was sheer heaven, but have never admitted this to anyone
|
|
| 49. |
17 Jan 2007 Wed 09:02 pm |
|
Quote: Capo I 100% agree with this post - its exactly how I feel, but could not have expressed it as well
Re: MacDonalds - I absolutely loathe them. Apart from being vegetarian, I despise the whole ethos behind them. However... my strong principles were driven away when, after working in China for a few weeks, I stumbled on a MacDonalds and (horror of horrors!) ate my first burger in 18 years!!! It was sheer heaven, but have never admitted this to anyone |
+2 That was kindoff my point also. Well put Capoeira
|
|
|
!!
!!
