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Is it possible to develop a real and pure friendship with a guy?
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50.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 20 Jul 2009 Mon 12:44 am

 

Quoting vineyards

Delikizin considers herself more like a Turkish man from personal freedom point of view which is only proper for rural or small town Turkey and quite wrong for majority of women in the big city.

 

 My comment was not prejudicial, since I did not try to make a conclusion that is applicable in all cases. It was a comment based on MY friends in Turkey, both female and male. And from that I can conclude that the reason I am more closely friends with my male friends in turkey than the female, has mainly got to do with freedom. I have noticed much conservativeness in the speech of my female friends in Turkey and therefore could not experience the sense of friendship I have with Dutch friends. I however do feel that sense with my male friends in Turkey. I do not understand where you feel the need to respond to my personal experience with ´only proper for rural or small town Turkey and quite wrong for majority of women in the big city´.  Because my comment was for MY situation based upon experiences with MY friends (as for rural-city turkey, this comment was based on friendships with girls from Ýzmir, nothing rural there.).

 

And you may want to reconsider the age group I belong to before making a comment. Girls around 20 who still live with their parents during their university do not have that much freedom as I have been used to since I was 15.

51.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 20 Jul 2009 Mon 12:53 am

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 u say I was offensive, what about delikýzýn? she thinks she cant establish friendship with turkish girls coz they are not free like her.

 

You have not the slightest idea what kind of ´free´ I was talking about. I am not talking about going out alone at night till 5 o´clock. That is not freedom for me.  I am talking about being honest and open in conversations without taboos. I did not find this in most Turkish girls I met in Ýzmir.  I do have friends like that, but compared to my male ones they are rare. I can count them on 1 hand.  

52.       vineyards
1954 posts
 20 Jul 2009 Mon 12:59 am

 It is of course your own experience but that experience does not comply with my own. I took the liberty of placing myself as someone who has a more intimate knowledge about Turkish people. I am aware of the conservative attitude of some girls but again there are tons of others who are not like that. I sometimes consider myself a lot more conservative than a typical teenage girl. I see with much surprize that many of the taboos of yesterday have long been left behind by new generation. Maybe I shouldn´t have used the word prejudice. I am not trying to bash anyone.

 

Well, Delikizin, I am 42 years old. We can´t be belonging to the same age group can we? Can you be considered in the same generation with your father or uncle?

 

Furthermore big cities are full of people coming from small towns. It is quite difficult to understand the complexities of big cities like Istanbul or Izmir. If  you (literal) draw a conclusion based on your limited personal experience, you may be astounded at learning about the presence of other groups of people with totally different lives.

 

I apoligize if I hurt you in anyway. I did not mean to...

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

 My comment was not prejudicial, since I did not try to make a conclusion that is applicable in all cases. It was a comment based on MY friends in Turkey, both female and male. And from that I can conclude that the reason I am more closely friends with my male friends in turkey than the female, has mainly got to do with freedom. I have noticed much conservativeness in the speech of my female friends in Turkey and therefore could not experience the sense of friendship I have with Dutch friends. I however do feel that sense with my male friends in Turkey. I do not understand where you feel the need to respond to my personal experience with ´only proper for rural or small town Turkey and quite wrong for majority of women in the big city´.  Because my comment was for MY situation based upon experiences with MY friends (as for rural-city turkey, this comment was based on friendships with girls from Ýzmir, nothing rural there.).

 

And you may want to reconsider the age group I belong to before making a comment. Girls around 20 who still live with their parents during their university do not have that much freedom as I have been used to since I was 15.

 

 



Edited (7/20/2009) by vineyards

53.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 20 Jul 2009 Mon 01:10 am

 My comment was also only based on people I know, I did not mean to make any judgement on girls in general. But the girls in particular are born and raised Ýzmir girls actually! I do have friends from the ´category´ you were referring to (this is all starting to get so generalising, but it is hard to talk without doing so), but they are all girls who have lived on their own during their studies or happen to be the girlfriends of my male friends  And ofcourse I do not take this experience in the back of my head when meeting new girls, I just know I was highly dissapointed that when in Ýzmir for a year, I did not have the freedom to speak as I thought or to call the girls and ask for something, without having the sense that they thought I am ´weird´.

 

Apologies accepted though they were not needed I wasn´t hurt or whatsoever, just thought that your response sounded a bit patronizing considering I was talking based on personal experience on very small scale. If I had the feeling that all girls are like I have come across so far, I would not feel so confident in establishing life in Turkey, because it would be very hard.

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

 

54.       vineyards
1954 posts
 20 Jul 2009 Mon 01:14 am

Good. It is indeed difficult to talk without making generalizations...

Quoting Deli_kizin

 My comment was also only based on people I know, I did not mean to make any judgement on girls in general. But the girls in particular are born and raised Ýzmir girls actually! I do have friends from the ´category´ you were referring to (this is all starting to get so generalising, but it is hard to talk without doing so), but they are all girls who have lived on their own during their studies or happen to be the girlfriends of my male friends  And ofcourse I do not take this experience in the back of my head when meeting new girls, I just know I was highly dissapointed that when in Ýzmir for a year, I did not have the freedom to speak as I thought or to call the girls and ask for something, without having the sense that they thought I am ´weird´.

 

Apologies accepted though they were not needed I wasn´t hurt or whatsoever, just thought that your response sounded a bit patronizing considering I was talking based on personal experience on very small scale. If I had the feeling that all girls are like I have come across so far, I would not feel so confident in establishing life in Turkey, because it would be very hard.

 

 

 

 

 

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