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WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE TURKISH LITERATURE (POETRY AND NOVEL) ?
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1.       niobe
0 posts
 13 Feb 2007 Tue 09:51 pm

HERE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT / FAMOUS WRITERS OF THE TURKIYE (TURKISH CULTURE) =

MEVLANA - POET WORLDWIDE-
YUNUS EMRE -POET WORLWIDE-
FUZILI -POET-
BAKI -POET-
NABI -POET-
HACI BEKTAS VELI -POET-
NAZIM HIKMET –POET-
YAHYA KEMAL BEYATIL -POET-
AHMET HAMDI TANPINAR –NOVELIST-
ORHAN VELI KANIK –POET-
SAIT FAIK – STORY WRITER-
TURGUT UYAR –POET-
AZIZ NESIN -STORY WRITER, POET-
EDIP CANSEVER –POET-
ATILA ILHAN –POET, NEVELIST-
YAŞAR KEMAL -NOVELIST WORLWIDE-
ORHAN PAMUK - NOVELIST, 2006 NOBEL PRIZE WINNER-
YUSUF ATILGAN -NOVELIST-
ETC

2.       Dilara
1153 posts
 13 Feb 2007 Tue 10:16 pm

Here in latin america Turkish writers and poets are Unknown unfortunately! (as a whole) but I would love to read Turkish Literature and will if I can get any of their works which is quite hard. However, thank you for the list you provided!
Dilara

3.       niobe
0 posts
 14 Feb 2007 Wed 02:25 am

MEVLANA HAD BEEN CHOSEN THE UNIVERSAL HUMANIST POET OF THE CENTURY BY THE MEDIA WORLDWIDE IN 1988.

ULYSSES BY JAMES JOYCE ( THE BRITISH ISLES NOVELIST) HAD BEEN CHOSEN THE BEST NOVEL OF THE CENTURY BY TIME MAGAZINE (USA) İN 1999.

4.       admin
758 posts
 14 Feb 2007 Wed 06:46 pm

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5.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 14 Feb 2007 Wed 08:17 pm

i thought mevlana was a dance.. oh well thanks for teaching me something today niobe bro

6.       libralady
5152 posts
 14 Feb 2007 Wed 11:30 pm

Quoting robyn :

i thought mevlana was a dance.. oh well thanks for teaching me something today niobe bro



You are a brave one posting this!! He was /is very highly respected Turkish philosopher and some has even posted a photo of some of his clothing.

7.       ramayan
2633 posts
 15 Feb 2007 Thu 01:03 am

i mourn so much for the literature before republic...its so far to me like some other nations literature....i cant understand language though im able to read arabic...just some of it...its so stupid to feel urself stranger to ur own literature ...

no nation lived this bfor im sure...for example eevry english can understand shakespeare but i cant understand the great poets of 17th centure ...

8.       niobe
0 posts
 15 Feb 2007 Thu 01:16 am

Ramayan is right...

9.       ramayan
2633 posts
 15 Feb 2007 Thu 01:20 am

Quoting niobe:

Ramayan is right...



its never taught now ottoman or old turkısh literature if you dnt choose to study turkish literature at university

and we thınk turkısh literature is just formed after republic

iy got worse lately

10.       niobe
0 posts
 15 Feb 2007 Thu 01:32 am

Yes you are right, ramayan ...
I am studying engineering,
but my hobby is Turkish literature and world literature...
Everybody mostly is learning the Turkish literature detailed in the faculty of literature, university in Türkiye...You are right...

11.       metehan2001
501 posts
 15 Feb 2007 Thu 02:06 am

Quoting ramayan:

Quoting niobe:

Ramayan is right...



its never taught now ottoman or old turkısh literature if you dnt choose to study turkish literature at university

and we thınk turkısh literature is just formed after republic

iy got worse lately



These are just personal opinions of Ramayan and not true. Turkish students start to study Turkish literature from beginning to recent examples in the schools. They study oldest literature texts like 'Oğuz Kağan Destanı' (Epos of Oguz Kagan) which belongs to oldest literary period, Orhun Yazıtları (Orkhun Monuments) which belong to 8th century, Divanü Lügati't-Türk, Kutadgu Bilig etc belong to 11th century and Classics like Fuzuli, Baki, Nefi and so on in the Ottoman Period and modern Turkish literature ofcourse.
But there is some truth in Ramayan's post: Turkish language
has changed so rapidly since the beginning of 20th century. The main reason was the dissolution of Ottoman Empire. After dissolution, a new and national state appeared in Turkey. Main and majority of the people was Turkish. In this new period, most of the writers and poets accepted a new way for writing: Now, since the people are Turkish, they should write in people's language. So they started to use a purer Turkish. This transition in language has been very rapidly and let me say a little artificial, especially between 1940- 1960. Therefore, somewhat Ramayan is right to say that today, Turkish people face some difficulties to understand the old literary texts.

Let me make another correction: In fact, today's English students also have some struggles to understand Shakespeare's language. That's why there are many interpretations and notes on Shakespeare's plays (not only their themes but on the language itself) . If you compare the language of original texts of Shakespeare's or Cristopher Marlowe's plays with today's English, you can see the differences.

12.       niobe
0 posts
 15 Feb 2007 Thu 02:34 am

1-Yes, as metehan2001 said, today's English students also have some struggles to understand Shakespeare's language. That's why there are many interpretations and notes on Shakespeare's plays..
2-Shakespeare had an old vocabulary of about 30,000 words.
3-Even today, few people have a vocabularly of more than 15,000.
4-In Shakespeare’s time, only six or seven million people spoke English.
5-Who really owns English Language today?

13.       niobe
0 posts
 15 Feb 2007 Thu 02:49 am

1- The first English dictionary appearedd in 1775.It contained more than 40,000 words (today, the Oxford English Dictionary contains half a million.

2-Between 1800 and 1900 Britain became the rishest country in the world.Britain kept its empire the middle of the 20th century.But at the same time, the USA was quickly growing richer and more powerful.Finally, by the 1950's, American English was quickly growing in the world.

3-Today thereare thousands of nineteenth-century century words in American English.

4-In fact, American English is growing faster now than before.

5-Where are the new words coming?

6-And who owns English?

14.       AllTooHuman
0 posts
 16 Feb 2007 Fri 12:22 am

I wonder what point you will in the end arrive at!

Anyway, this be my contribution to the thread, in other words what I think about the Turkish literature:

English has a great dictionary covering more than half a million words in total. I don't think, however, that even the fifth two of this amount is used by an English-speaking society, say Canadian or American, we can then say English used in any society is at most 200.000 word language, which is still great.

lol

15.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Feb 2007 Fri 01:02 am

16.       ramayan
2633 posts
 16 Feb 2007 Fri 01:15 am

Quoting niobe:

1- The first English dictionary appearedd in 1775.It contained more than 40,000 words (today, the Oxford English Dictionary contains half a million.

2-Between 1800 and 1900 Britain became the rishest country in the world.Britain kept its empire the middle of the 20th century.But at the same time, the USA was quickly growing richer and more powerful.Finally, by the 1950's, American English was quickly growing in the world.

3-Today thereare thousands of nineteenth-century century words in American English.

4-In fact, American English is growing faster now than before.

5-Where are the new words coming?

6-And who owns English?



u replied urself...i was complaining about that..by omitting the persian verbs or arabic verbs from turkısh we cant make turkısh rich ...we just cut and limit it..and now we complain why turkısh has less word than many language and why we hav too much foreıgn word in turkısh.. and when we thınk why englısh is so rıch ın word we will see they get every new word they dont have or even ıf they have the same word they got new ones for aesthetic reasons and they enriched their vocabulary but they assimilated the word they borrowed ...and im not complaining only for the difference in language after republic but also complaining for the less chance of studyıng ottomans literature...although i like pliterature i hardly know few poets of old turkısh literature and few of their works...ehh i thınk while they are making us a westernised country they also wanted to forget us our past...thats why

whatever..maybe im the only one who thınks thıs...

17.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Feb 2007 Fri 01:37 am


18.       metehan2001
501 posts
 16 Feb 2007 Fri 01:56 am

Quote:

Turkish went through a similar process too. Being nomadic tribes in ancient times, Turks were raiders and they were a very restless race. Because the nomadic life was the norm for large numbers of Turkic tribesmen, they were not used to settled life. As a result, their vocabulary centered around natural objects and phonemena. Interestingly, Turkish is very rich in terms of vocabulary defining different types of precipitation etc. (like English) and very poor in terms of scientific vocabulary.

It is quite interesting that the current military division names like tümen, tugay etc are Mongolic by origin.



The above statement needs some corrections:

1. Most of the military divisions' names in Turkish army are pure Turkish (takım, bölük, kolordu, ordu; onbaşı, yüzbaşı, binbaşı vs). In fact, Turkish army introduced this kind of divisions system to the world. All the Moghol and Turkish historians know that Cenghiz Khan used Turkish army traditions (rules) in his army too.

2. In history, Turkish language has never been poor or weak in terms of vocabulary of different subjects when we compare it with other languages during the same period.

3. When you read the below passages about Turkish language you will see statement of wineyard is not true too: "Because the nomadic life was the norm for large numbers of Turkic tribesmen, they were not used to settled life. As a result, their vocabulary centered around natural objects and phonemena."

TURKISH LANGUAGE

(http://www.orgs.ttu.edu/turkishsa/old/turkish1.htm)
The Turkish language is spread over a large geographical area in Europe and Asia; recent studies show that this language goes back 5500 years,and perhaps even 8500. At the same time, it is one of the most widely spoken tongues in the world - the sixth most widely spoken , to be precise. It is spoken in the Azeri, the Türkmen, the Tartar, the Uzbek, the Baskurti, the Nogay, the Kyrgyz, the Kazakh, the Yakuti, the Cuvas and other dialects. Turkish belongs to the Altaic branch of the Ural-Altaic family of languages, and thus is closely related to Mongolian, Manchu-Tungus, Korean, and perhaps Japanese. Some scholars have maintained that these resemblances are not fundamental, but rather the result of borrowings, however comparative Altaistic studies in recent years demonstrate that the languages we have listed all go back to a common Ur-Altaic.

Turkish is a very ancient language, with a flawless phonetic, morphological and syntactic structure, and at the same time possesses a wealth of vocabulary. The fundamental features which distinguish the Ural-Altaic languages from the Indo-European are as follows:

Vowel harmony, a feature of all Ural-Altaic tongues.
The absence of gender.
Agglutination
Adjectives precede nouns.
Verbs come at the end of the sentence. The name of the script of the language spoken in Turkey proper, the dialect falls into the southwestern dialects of the Western Turkish language family and also into the dialects of the Oguz Türkmen language group. When the Turkish spoken in Turkey is considered in a historical context, it can be classified according to three separate periods because of the inherent characteristics of each of the periods:
Old Anatolian Turkish (old Ottoman - between the 13th and the 15th centuries)

Ottoman Turkish (from the 16th to the 19th century)
20th century Turkish
Written Turkish

The oldest written records are found upon stone monuments in Central Asia, in the Orhon, Yenisey and Talas regions within the boundaries of present-day Mongolia. These were erected to Bilge Kaghan (735), Kültigin (732), and the vizier Tonyukuk (724-726). Apart from these, there are some one hundred inscriptions of various sizes mentioned by the Swedish army officer Johan von Strahlenberg. The first to read them and publish his results was the Danish Turcologist Wilhelm Thomsen, while the Russian Turcologist (of Prussian extraction) Wilhelm Radloff contributed in a major way to the deciphering of the script. The perfection of the language used in these records, which document the social and political life of the Gokturk Dynasty, proves that Turkish, as a language of letters, has been in use from very ancient times.

In later periods many forms of writing would appear: Nestorian writing in the northeast, Sogd, Uighur, and Pali writings in the southeast, Manichaean texts. In Brahman writing, and from the 11th centuary onward, Arabic script for Islamic texts. In addition, depending on the region in which they lived, the Turks have employed Suryani, Armenian, Georgian and ancient Greek alphabeths, producing literary works which have transmitted the Turkish culture up to the present day.

After the waning of the Gokturk state, the Uighurs produced many written texts that are among the most important source works for the Turkish language. The Uighurs produced many written texts that are among the most important source works for the Turkish language. The Uighurs abondened shamanism(the original Turkish religion) in favor of Buddhism, Manichaeanism and Brahminism, and translated the pious and philosophical works of all of them into Turkish. Examples are Altun Yaruk, Mautrisimit, Sekiz Yükmek, Huastunift, etc. These were collected by european turcologists in Turkische Turfan-Texte.

The Kokturk (Gokturk) inscriptions, together with Uighur writings, are in a language called by scholars Old Turkish. This term refers to the Turkish spoken, prior to the conversion to Islam, on the steppes of Mongolia and Tarim basin.

With the emergence of the Cagatay Dynasty, which came about when the Empire of Genghis Khan was divided among his sons, a new wave of Turkish literature was born and flowered under the influence of Persian literature. It reached its pinnacle with the works of Ali Sir Navai in the 15th century.

The Turkish of Turkey that developed in Anatolia and across the Bosphorus in the times of the Seljuks and Ottomans was used in several valuable literary works prior to the 13th century. The men of letters of the time were, notably, Sultan Veled, the son of Mevlana Celaleddin-i Rumi, Ahmed Fakih, Seyyad Hamza, Yunus Emre, a prominent thinker of the time, and the famed poet, Gulsehri.

19.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Feb 2007 Fri 11:53 am

20.       metehan2001
501 posts
 17 Feb 2007 Sat 02:17 am

Dear vineyeard, I am an academician on Turkish language and literature. Therefore when I express my view on Turkish language or literature, I always try to be objective and scientific. When I criticized your previously post, I was objective too. It is an easy way to blame someone for being patriotic, nationalist and so on and try to show his opinions as worthless. Please, let's avoid from this kind of attitude.

A national attitude towards Turkish language has been started since the beginning of 20th century. As you must know about 'Yeni Lisan Hareketi' (The Movement of New language whose leaders were Ziya Gökalp, Ömer Seyfettin and Ali Canip Yöntem. The leaders blamed the old literary men for using a highly refined and artificial language in their works and suggested some rules to contemporary writers for making the language close to peoples' language. Many other authors and poets participated in this movement soon and the language started to change rapidly in a natural way. And during the time of Ataturk who wanted to build a national state the mentioned movement went on.
But when I come to your evaluations about recent stuation of Turkish language, I can say that I agree with you. As I said in one of my previous post, 'between 1940 and 1960 there has been a movement of purification and selection in Turkish language and this movement produced some kind of artificiality in Turkish. And as you said, one of it's result was vocabulary of Turkish language became poor.
Sevgi ve selamlarımla.

21.       CANLI
5084 posts
 17 Feb 2007 Sat 03:19 am

Quoting ramayan:

...ehh i thınk while they are making us a westernised country they also wanted to forget us our past...thats why

whatever..maybe im the only one who thınks thıs...



İ don't think you are the only one who think this ramayan,
and i hope you don't forget it.
Nations without past,are trying to make one to themselves,and you have a very rich one,so keep it.

What i don't understand,why do they omit the foreigner words from Turkish like arabic,and Persian,...ect,if you already took over those countries for many years,and was under one flag,so how can they be foreign,if one time they were part of one nation ?!

İts part of the personality too,like it or not,but that is the truth.

Even if i try,i cann't tell you how many words are Turkish origin in arabic,and we didn't omit either,i never knew it was Turkish untill i started to learn Turkish.
İts part of our history,how can we deny it,or pretent it never been.

İn my opinion,maybe you agree or not,but its glory,and no one should never try to forget or omit it,how powerful,and great my country was,and thsoe foreign words are the prove.

Again back to the topic.

We have same here too in arabic,we don't understand our old poems too.
For the same reason,that some words we don't use at all,and others we don't use much now.

22.       vineyards
1954 posts
 17 Feb 2007 Sat 04:27 am

23.       CANLI
5084 posts
 17 Feb 2007 Sat 04:36 am

İm not referring to Arabic poems,im referring to the usage of foreign words,such as arabic Persian or whatever,and the idea of trying to omit those words from the Turkish languge.

Turkish got those words because they'd conquered the world,so why try to forget it ?!

24.       kaddersokak
130 posts
 17 Feb 2007 Sat 04:53 am

The Turkish Language Reform: A Catastrophic Success
The Jarring Lecture, 11th February 2002 by Prof. Geoffrey Lewis.



When first I opened a grammar of Chaghatay Turkish and learned that the Chaghatay for it will be was bolğay, whereas the corresponding word in the Turkish of Turkey was ola, how feeble ola seemed in comparison with the vigorous bolğay. Central Asia, I thought, was the place to be. Gunnar Jarring's books opened the door to the fascinating world through which that many-talented man had journeyed. But while I was avidly reading them and dreaming of going where he had gone, I never dreamed that I would share with Gunnar Jarring the distinction of being elected to Corresponding Membership of the Turkish Language Society in the early 1950s, much less that one day I might have the honour of being invited to give the Jarring Lecture. I am fully aware of the magnitude of the contribution made to Turkic studies by Swedish scholars, not least the members of the Swedish Research Institute in Istanbul, and I am proud to dedicate this lecture to one of the greatest scholars of them all.


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I am an ivory-tower scholar, not a field researcher. In spite of the fascination of Eastern Turkestan, my kismet has been that for most of my career my chief interest has been the language of Turkey. I did occasionally teach Chaghatay, in one year to a class including a student who wanted to read the Baburname in the original because it was written by Babur, the first Moghul emperor, who was one of his ancestors.

My subject this evening is the Turkish language reform. I gave my book about it the subtitle ""A Catastrophic Success". Though the reform has not been so drastic in its effect on the spoken language, it has made everything written before the early 1930s, and much that has been written since, increasingly obscure to each new generation. It has undeniably been a success, in that the reformers succeeded in their purpose of ethnic cleansing; getting rid of the non-Turkish elements in their language, so that it has changed as much in the last century as in the preceding seven hundred. I hope to show you why I call that success catastrophic.


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The Ottoman Empire came to an end in 1922, but its administrative and literary language, Ottoman Turkish, the only language that ever came close to English in the vastness of its vocabulary, did not become a dead language until the middle of the twentieth century. At heart it was Turkish; that is to say, its accidence and syntax were Turkish, yet Hagopian felt obliged to devote 40% of his Ottoman- Turkish Conversation-Grammar, published in 1907, to the grammar of Arabic and Persian. The reason was that the Ottomans had borrowed several features of those two languages. They borrowed Persian and Arabic plurals. From Arabic they borrowed the disease of language known as grammatical gender. Further, Turkish adjectives precede their nouns, but Arabic and Persian adjectives follow them. Persian interposes an i between noun and qualifier, and both conventions were adopted. The Ottoman name for the Sublime Porte, the central offices of the Sultan's government, was therefore Bâb -i- âlî, two Arabic words meaning gate and high, joined by a Persian i.

The Turks were a pastoral people in what is now Outer Mongolia. In the eighth century, defeated by their Mongol neighbours in the competition for pasturage, they left their home and began to migrate towards the south and west. By the beginning of the eleventh century most of them who had reached the Middle East became Muslim, and the literate among them adopted the Arabo-Persian alphabet. Their own language was rich in words necessary for nomadic life, but it was deficient in terms for philosophical, theological, and artistic concepts. For these they resorted to Arabic and Persian.

But they did not stop there; they did not just borrow words for new concepts. Even so basic a word as ôd - fire, fell out of use; it survived in poetry until the early twentieth century but had hardly been used in prose for four hundred years, its place having been taken by the Persian ateş. The Turkish sin or sinle, meaning tomb, found in popular poetry from the thirteenth to the twentieth century and still widely used in Anatolia, was supplanted in prose long ago by the Arabic mezar. The Gami' al-Faris, a seventeenth-century dictionary, says that some people applied sinle only to the grave of a kâfir, a non-Muslim; a Muslim would be buried in a mezar.

In classical Turkish poetry you find lines where the only indication that they were written by a Turk is the appearance of a -dir - is or an idi - was. The same is true of classical prose. This mixture of Turkish, Arabic, and Persian was not understood by the great majority of the subjects of the Ottoman dynasty, not only the Arabs and Greeks and many other peoples, but also the Turks.


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With the rise of journalism in the second half of the nineteenth century, writers, editors, and publishers realized that if they were to win readers for the new magazines and newspapers they had to simplify the written language by abandoning Arabic and Persian grammatical constructions. People who had been accustomed to calling the natural sciences ulüm-i tabiiye began to see that there was no harm in using the Turkish plural ilimler instead of the Arabic plural ulûm, dropping the Persian i and the Arabic feminine ending of the adjective, and putting the adjective first: tabiî ilimler. The words were still Arabic, because they were the only words in the working vocabularies of most of those who produced and read newspapers and magazines.

The poet Mehmet Akif wrote this in 1910: "The crime reports in the newspapers are couched in language so abstruse that ordinary people listen to them as if they were religious formulae. It is ridiculous to write - Depredators who nocturnally effected an opportunist entry into Mehmet Bey's domicile purloined costly tapis eight in number - when what you mean is - Burglars broke into Mehmet Bey's house by night and stole eight valuable rugs. Concepts for ordinary people to understand should be expressed in the language used by ordinary people."
But years were to pass before that happened.

Although Mehmet Akif was not alone in his opinion, it took the boundless energy of Kemal Atatürk, as well as his authority as President of the Republic, to initiate the ethnic cleansing of the language. In 1928 he brought about the change of the alphabet from Arabo-Persian to Latin. Two years later, he wrote a short preface to a book on the history and potential of the language, in which he included these fateful words: "The Turkish Nation, which knows how to protect its territory and its sublime independence, must also liberate its language from the yoke of foreign languages". That sentence has been quoted in every book ever written about the language reform. Unfortunately, little attention was paid to his previous sentence: "Turkish is one of the richest of languages; it needs only to be used with discrimination". He thought it would be possible to find or to construct Turkish equivalents of all Arabic and Persian words, and he practised what he preached. He dictated a list of topics, which he wanted historians to address. One of them was Beşeriyet menşe ye mebdei - The source and origin of human kind, all four words being of Arabic origin. When the typescript was brought to him he amended this to insanların nereden ye nasıl geldikleri - Where humans came from and how they came, three of the five words and all the grammar being Turkish. The other two words, insan - human and ve - and, had long been naturalized and have survived the language reform.


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To understand the course of the reform, you must know that language was the first of Atatürk's two hobbies; the other being history. His passion for etymology, however, was more enthusiastic than scientific. Among his offerings was his ingenious derivation of asker - soldier (actually via Arabic from the Latin exercitus)from the Turkish aşık - profit and er - man, i.e. a man who is an asset to his country. Attributed to him, probably unfairly, were Turkish etymologies for two American place-names, Niagara being explained as from Ne yaygara! - What tumult! and Amazon as from Ama uzun! - But it's long! It was unfortunate that although he liked nothing better than a good argument, none of his intimates ever said "Very amusing as an after-dinner game, Pasha, but we mustn't take it too seriously, must we?". On the contrary, they played the same game. This being long before the age of political correctness, the President of the Language Society, which Atatürk founded in 1932, declared the origin of the Western word academy to be the Turkish ak adam: - ak - white and adam - man (an Arabic word). An anonymous article in the Society's journal explained - "the old word okan" as the name of a deity, meaning majestic, glorious. There was, however, no such word as okan - the word the writer must have had in mind was ugan and its meaning was neither majestic nor glorious but almighty. But worse, he went on to say that okan was the etymon of okyanus - ocean, which was a borrowing from Greek via Arabic.

The Society prescribed three methods for producing the words required to make Turkish independent of foreign vocabulary: to explore the resources of the spoken language, to collect words found in old texts, and, if necessary, to create new words from existing roots and suffixes.


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In October 1932 the word collecting began. Every provincial Governor presided over a collection committee, with the duty of organizing the collecting of words in use among the people. Within a year, over 35,000 such words were recorded. Meanwhile, scholars had been combing through dictionaries of Turkic Languages and more than 150 old texts in search of words that had fallen out of use or had never been in use in Turkey - these totalled close on 90,000. In 1934 the results of both activities were published in a book called Tarama Dergisi - Combing Compendium. Although the compilers had conscientiously put question-marks against some words of which they were not certain, enthusiasts did not feel inhibited about using any word found in it, and for a while the result was chaos. If you wanted to express pen without using the ordinary word kalem, an Arabic borrowing, you looked up kalem and made your choice from among yağuş oryazgaç or çizgiç or kavrı or kamış or yuvuş. For akıl - intelligence there were 26 equivalents, from an to zerey. For hediye - gift you could pick your favorite from a list of 77 words. The one that was eventually chosen was armağan, not in fact Turkish but an old borrowing from Persian.

Journalists wrote their articles in Ottoman, then passed them on to an ikameci, a who would make the correct substitution. The ikameci opened his copy of Tarama Dergisi and substituted for the Ottoman words whatever equivalents he chose from that book. At the same time, in the office of another newspaper another ikameci might be choosing different equivalents for the same Ottoman words.


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At this point Atatürk decided that the reform had entered a dead end and that the sensible course was to retain in the language all the foreign words that were in general use and for which no Turkish synonym could be found, so long as they could be provided with a Turkish etymology. Encouraged by this, everyone had a go.

Those who instead of inventing etymologies for all the doomed Arabic and Persian words honestly tried to find pure Turkish replacements for them, made some terrible mistakes. For example, there was no Turkish equivalent of the Arabic maarif - education. The reformers produced eğitim which they said was a noun derived from an ancient verb eğitimek - to educate. Well, there never was a verb eğitimek and, if you will pardon the paradox, it did not mean - to educate: it was a misreading of an ancient verb igidimek - to feed (people or animals), but that did not prevent eğitim from becoming the modern Turkish word for education. For millet - nation the researchers had found eight possibilities, among them uluş and ulus - and they chose the wrong one ulus. Uluş was a genuine Turkish word, though it meant not nation but country. The Mongols borrowed it, gave it the Mongolian pronunciation ulus and also gave it a new meaning, empire or people. By the fourteenth century the Turks had borrowed it back in its Mongolian form ulus which they used until the seventeenth century and use again today. The reformers could not find a Turkish suffix to replace the Arabic adjective-suffix -î as in millî - national so they borrowed the French suffix -el or -al as in culturel and principal, and they replaced millî - national by ulusal. Having chosen for national a word half Mongolian and half French, the reformers could at least claim that they were not chauvinists.

Yet the name of the National Library of Turkey is still Millî Kütüphane, which is part Arabic and part Persian. I once asked the Director of the Library how it had escaped being called Ulusal Kitaplık. With a happy smile she explained that the name Millî Kütüphane was written into the law establishing the library - the reformers had not noticed it and, inşallah, deo volente, nobody ever would.

Many of the neologisms were correctly constructed from Turkish roots and suffixes, for example altyapı - under-building which has replaced the French enfrastrüktür and kazı - excavation and çağrışım - association of ideas which have replaced the Arabic hafriyat and tedai respectively. Far too many neologisms however, were not correctly constructed.


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You may say that this is no reason to call the reform a catastrophe. After all, every language is a set of conventions, and most people everywhere neither know nor care about the origins of the words they use. They are not interested in whether a word has always been part of their language or was recently created by a Language Society or an Academy. But I am thinking of the educated Turks who know the exact word they want but hesitate to use it because it is too old- fashioned and has not been replaced with a neologism. Or it has been replaced by one of the many neologisms that were arbitrarily invented. So they use a French or English word instead. A Turk however does not have to be a professional scholar to find at least some of the inventions excruciating and cannot bear to hear them, much less to say them.

An example: the reformers made neden, the ablative of ne? - what? into a noun meaning cause replacing the Arabic sebep. This new noun is unique in having an ablative case which no Turk with any feeling for the language will use. The old expression for because of this was bu sebepten literally from this cause. Few Turks can bring themselves to say bu nedenden literally from this from-what. Nor do they like the alternative bu neden nedeniyle - by this from-what's from-what so they continue to use the Ottoman bu sebepten.

The assumption behind the change of vocabulary was that the meaning of neologisms constructed from Turkish roots and suffixes, unlike Ottoman words would be readily intelligible to everybody. While a Turk might not know the Arabic mefhum - concept he could at once understand kavram manufactured from kavramak - to grasp. Well he might, unless he was from one of the many regions of Anatolia where it means handful. And when the suffix was itself a neologism he would be even worse off, especially if it coincided in form with a familiar word. Among Atatürk's coinages for the language of geometry, of which I shall be saying a little more, were replacements for the Arabic names of the plain figures - triangle, pentagon and so on. He added to the appropriate numeral a newly invented suffix -gen. The more committed reformers will tell you its origin was Turkish but in fact it was the suffix -gon of pentagon and hexagon, altered to -gen because as a rule the vowel o does not occur in final syllables. Anyway, the word for triangle became üçgen. In theory, anyone could understand that it had something to do with three and would soon realize from the context that it meant triangle. But the reformers should have known that -gen was part of the vocabulary of every farmer in Anatolia to whom üçgen could mean only three fallow fields. Consider the neologism özek the official replacement for the Arabic merkez - center. A villager from the neighbourhood of Isparta would have no difficulty with it because it was there that the word-collectors had found it. To most other Anatolians, however, it would mean only the pole of an ox-cart. A town-dweller, knowing öz - own and ek - patch, additions could never guess its new meaning.


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Those are typical of the mistakes that the reformers made. Another was that they impoverished the language by eliminating a great many Arabic and Persian words for which there were no Turkish equivalents, nor did they take the trouble to construct them from Turkish roots and suffixes. The enormous resources of Ottoman Turkish were at their disposal. They did not have to perpetuate the whole exuberant vocabulary as they were free to pick and choose, but they deliberately elected to throw away their heritage.

Ottoman had individual words that expressed the concepts of declaring, asserting. remarking, hinting and more of similar meaning. To express all these senses, modern Turks have to make do with anlatmak - to tell and söylemek - to say and bildirmek - to inform together with adverbs to supply the nuances. So for to hint if they wish to avoid or don't know the old word ima they have to say üstü kapalı söylemek - to say covertly or dolaylı anlatmak - to tell indirectly.

I have mentioned another of the reformers sins that when they could not find or construct a real Turkish equivalent for a foreign word that they wanted to expel from the language then they invented one. There was an incident at the Sixth Language Congress, in 1949, which does not appear in the published proceedings. Someone asked what principles had governed the formation of new technical terms. An embarrassed silence was eventually broken by the chairman of the Linguistics and Etymology Commission, who said: "My friends! We had no principle or anything resembling a principle. We've been making them up as we went along!"

That was no more than the truth. As the pure Turkish replacement for the Arabic hayal - image they produced imge its alleged origin being the Old Turkic im - password with the addition of the suffix seen in çekirge - grasshopper and süpurge - broom. The connection between password and image may seem tenuous but one only has to spell out imge and the French or English image to see the true etymology.

The old word for civilization was medeniyet. It was of Arabic derivation, though it was a nineteenth-century Turk who did the deriving and the Arabs borrowed it from the Turks. The replacement found for it was uygarlık an arbitrary coinage based on the name of the Uyghur a people who established an advanced civilization in Eastern Turkestan in the tenth to twelfth centuries. So it has far less claim to being pure Turkish than medeniyet which still holds its ground.


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I once conducted a small experiment about those two words. On the northern approaches to Izmir one sees notices reading Yayaya Saygi Uygarlıktır - Respect for the Pedestrian is Civilization. I asked two affable taxi-drivers the meaning of uygarlık and after briefly conferring they agreed that uygar meant the same as modern or çağdaş - contemporary. It emerged that they did not associate uygarlık with medeniyet which they both knew - though I did not try their patience by asking them to define it. I am sure that Gunnar Jarring would have had the courage to pursue the enquiry to its very end. But my small experiment lends support to the view of a Turkish friend whom I told about it - that nuances of meaning are emerging between old words and their replacements. He himself did not feel uygarlık and medeniyet to be synonymous. If he was talking about a particular civilization or the history of civilization, he would use medeniyet. Uygarlık on the other hand conveyed to him something more dynamic - civilized and vigorous and progressive.


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There are two questions we should ask about the reform. The first is - "Has it liberated the language from the yoke of foreign languages?" The answer is yes, most of the vocabulary of younger writers is that of the new Turkish. The second question is - "Has it eliminated the gap between the language of the intellectuals and the language of the people?" The answer is no. It is natural that there should be a gap between the language of intellectuals and the language of the people because intellectuals need more words than non-intellectuals. No one ever expected intellectuals to stop talking about literary criticism or bacteriology or whatever their particular interest might be. The hope was that they would give up the use of Ottoman words for everyday concepts. They would not, so to speak, say domicile when they meant house or I shall exercise cogitation on this topic rather than I'll think about it. And they don't. The language of the intellectuals is no longer full of Ottoman words but it is full of so-called pure Turkish neologisms - very few of which have entered the language of the people, the majority of whom are not great readers. The language of the people though not full of Ottoman words retains many that the intellectuals have abandoned. The reform has hardly changed the speech-habits of non-intellectuals. The language spoken today by the farmer, the shopkeeper, and the small craftsman is not very different from that spoken by their grandparents.


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For a change, let me say a word about one aspect of the reform that I see as totally admirable: the technical terms of the sciences. Until 1937, Turkish school children were still being taught geometry with the Ottoman technical terms. Right angle was zaviye-i kaime two Arabic words joined by the Persian i. It is now dik açı a straight translation of the Arabic. The change began in the winter of 1936/7, when Atatürk wrote a little book on the elements of geometry, which was published anonymously. In it he employed most of the geometrical terms now in regular use, many of his own invention.

We all remember the formula we learned at school: The area of a triangle is equal to the length of the base multiplied by half the height...

In pre-reform Turkish it was:
Bir müsellesin mesaha-i sathiyesi, kaidesinin irtifaına hâsıl-ı zarbinin nısfına müsavidir.
Now it is:
Bir üçgenin yüzölçü tabanının yüksekliğine çarpımının yansına eşittir.

Really two languages - all they have in common is the indefinite article bir at the beginning and the suffix -dir at the end. But only a fanatical conservative would persist in calling interior opposite angles by the 16 syllables of zaviyetan-ı matekabiletan-ı dahiletan rather than the five syllables of içters açılar.


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New technical terms have been devised for the other branches of science, although not all their practitioners use them. Certainly medical doctors seem to prefer English or French.
To revert to non-technical words, the sad truth is that very many of them were created by people with no qualifications for the job, a category that included not a few of the Society's experts. Rut the individual who produced the largest number of new words did not claim to be an expert on language. He was Nurullah Ataç - a popular writer on literature who cheerfully admitted, "My ignorance is endless and at my age it cannot be eradicated". Whenever he introduced a neologism into one of his articles, he added in parentheses the word it was intended to replace, but without trying to explain or to justify his invention. His contributions to the new Turkish number many hundreds, most of them now in regular use, such as yanıt - answer, örneğin - for example and sorun - problem.

Some devotees of the reform will look you in the eye and swear that such obvious adaptations of Western words as okul for school - genel for general - and terim for technical term are of purely Turkish origin. They make the same claim for süre - duration, a Frankenstein monster whose father was the Turkish sürmek - to continue and whose mother was durée - the French for duration.


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Let me sum up my four reasons for calling the reform catastrophic. (1) The reformers did not close the language gap between intellectuals and non-intellectuals - what they did was to create a new gap. (2) They impoverished the language by failing to produce Turkish replacements for all the Arabic and Persian words they consigned to oblivion. This loss affects every Turk who now, in speaking or writing, looks for the word that expresses his feelings but does not find it, because it is as dead as Etruscan and has not been replaced. (3) Many of the replacements that were produced are far from being pure Turkish. (4) Most Turks below the age of 50 are cut off from the writings of the 1920s and 1930s, one of the greatest periods of their modern literature. The "Translations into Modern Turkish" that you will see in bookshops are no substitute for the real thing.


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Here is an extract from a reader's letter to the newspaper Cumhuriyet in 1995: "I was looking for one of Yakup Kadri's books, It was nowhere to be found. I asked the publisher who had reprinted many of his books why he hadn't reprinted that one. He replied, We haven't been able to find anyone to put it into Turkish." Apparently a book printed in the 1930s, which I read as a schoolboy, today has to be put into Turkish! Did Yakup Kadri write it in Chinese, I wonder? Further, no one can be found to understand that Turkish and turn it into the new garbage The writer of that letter was not alone - all but one of the many Turkish friends who supplied me with material for my book said that if I criticized the reform too unkindly they would not mind a bit. Most of them were no older than the one friend who did not say that.

In general, conservative-minded people were against the reform, while progressives were for it. A man named Tekin Erer wrote this in 1973: "There is a simple method of distinguishing the leftists in our country. To ascertain how far to the left a person is, look at the words he uses in writing and speech. If the fake words he employs are too numerous for you to be able to understand, you may unhesitatingly call him a communist."

He was wrong. Extremists at both ends of the political spectrum were bitterly opposed to the reform. The communists saw it as a bourgeois movement aimed at widening the gulf between the official and literary language and the language of the people. The poet and playwright Nazım Hikmet (1902 - 63), the most distinguished of all Turkish communists, did not use "pure Turkish" but followed Atatürk in making full use of the language as it stood. Extremists of the right regarded the Language Society as a subversive organization whose mission was to decrease mutual understanding between the Turks of Turkey and the Turks of the then Soviet Union, whom they hoped some day to liberate.


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Atatürk's devotion to the reform which he had initiated suffered a shock on 3 October 1934. He had already gone a long way in the use of the new language; he took it to the limit in the speech he made that day at a banquet in honour of the Crown Prince and Princess of Sweden. He had composed the speech in the language he had spoken all his life, and every Arabic or Persian word was then replaced with a neologism, presumably by a "substitutor". It is recorded that he delivered the speech "like a schoolboy who has just begun to read". One can see why this embarrassing experience made him think that the reform had gone too far.

He had another shock two years later, at the Language Society's Third Congress, which was dominated by the Sun-Language Theory, for which he was responsible. Uriel Heyd, in his 1954 book on the language reform, calls it "this amazing theory". So does Remt Brendemoen, writing in 1990, who in addition calls it "infamous". It was inspired by a Dr Kvergic of Vienna, who sent Atatürk an unpublished paper entitled "La Psychologie de quelques éléments des Langues Turque", which did not mention the sun. The sun was part of Atatürk's contribution. Kvergic asserted, among other things, that Turkish was the first language in the world. Atatürk's theory taught that language began when primitive man looked up at the sun and said Aa! - in Turkish spelling ağ - which became the first-degree radical of the Turkish languages Its meanings were numerous, ranging from sun and God to water and time.

Dr Kvergic was invited to the Congress and he applied the Sun-Language Theory to produce the following etymology of unutmak - to forget:"Its earliest form was uğ+un+ut+um+ak. Uğ - discriminating spirit is the mother-root. The n of un shows that the significance of the mother-root emerges into exterior space. The t of ut is always a dynamic factor - its role here is to shift the discriminating spirit into exterior space. The m of um is the element which embodies the concept of un-un-ut, while ak completes the meaning of the word. After phonetic coalescence, the word takes its final morphological shape, unutmak which expresses the transference of the discriminating spirit out of the head into the exterior field surrounding the head". Every word of that was pure invention. One wonders how a man who talked such rubbish in public ever obtained a doctorate.

Ibrahim Dilmen, the Secretary-General of the Society used the theory to prove that the Western word electric was derived from the Uyghur yaltrik - gleam, shining. One is reminded of Müller's dictum "The change of a consonant is a mere trifle, for in etymology vowels are worth but little, and consonants almost nothing". In case you do not believe that Müller could have said that, I should explain that this was not the great nineteenth-century Oxford philologist Max Müller but his cousin George.

There were a number of foreign guests at the Congress, besides Dr Kvergic. Atatürk's faith in his theory was shaken by the reactions of all of them except Dr Kvergic. Some of them politely said the theory was interesting. Others wanted more time to think about it. Four of them did not mention it at all. Atatürk was a man of high intelligence and he knew what they thought of his Sun-LanguageTheory.

His interest in technical terms continued after the Congress. Already by the end of 1936, however, he had lost interest in creating neologisms for everyday words, and had reverted to his mother-tongue..

After Atatürk's death, in November 1938, Dilmen cancelled the course of lectures on the Sun-Language Theory which he had been giving at Ankara University. When his students asked him why, he replied - "After the sun has died, does his theory survive?"

The Language Society felt secure in the knowledge that it was not a State institution but a private body founded by Atatürk, so that it could never be abolished. Nor was it. When the conservatives thought the time was ripe it was simply nationalized. A law passed on 11 August 1983 reconstituted it as part of a new Atatürk Cultural, Linguistic, and Historical Institute dependent on the Prime Minister's office. Since then the new Society has ceased to propose replacements for Ottoman words.


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The importation of French words began in the nineteenth century and continues. The Higher Education Council has recently prepared draft regulations for higher education based on the internet. They contain two words not to be found in any Turkish dictionary: akreditasyon and akredite. The most grotesque example of French borrowing I have so far met is the notice outside the places where you can have the exhaust emission of your vehicle tested. It reads Ezgoz emisyonu ölçüm istasyonu - exhaust emission measuring station. Only the third word is Turkish.

As long ago as 1974, Ozcan Başkan, one of the first generation of Turkish linguisticians, combined Türkçe - Turkish and İngilizce - English to make a Turkish counterpart of the French franglais: Türkilizce. Since the 1960s, French has been largely replaced by English as the source of Western words. The Turkish for balloon is balon - plural balonlar, but a company organizing flights over Göreme, in the ancient Cappadocia, calls itself "Kapadokya Balloons". The switch from French borrowings to English borrowings is the subject of a shrewd Turkish witticism: "I'm really getting tired of Turks who talk English instead of Turkish. Most people now say opereyşın instead of operasyon, and spekülasyşın instead of spekülasyon."

The new Language Society regularly suggests Turkish replacements for such Western words, though nobody seems to take much notice of its suggestions. In these proposed replacements "pure Turkish" is far from predominating. Some of them are what I think of as proper Turkish and what the old Language Society would have called Ottoman, In the pages of any newspaper or magazine, Ottomanisms may now be seen which twenty years ago one would have thought obsolete. One example: in a newspaper report on a terrorist raid last April, the terrorists were called teroristler. The headline, however, was Otelde Dehşet Terror at Hotel. Dehşet of Arabic origin, being the Ottoman for terror. On 15 October 2001, the newspaper Akşam reported that the Turkish Army had moved to kısmi teyakkuz - partial alert both words being Arabic.


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Pleasant though it may be for lovers of the old language to see and hear some of it coming back into use, they must not deceive themselves into assuming that the language reform is over and done with. Hardly any neologisms are being created nowadays (why bother to create them if you know French or English?). But the effects of fifty years of indoctrination are not so easily eradicated. Let me finish with a word about two neologisms. The established replacements for the Arabic istiklâl - independence and hürriyet - freedom are başımsızlık and özgürlük. The -ım of başımsızlık is a deverbal suffix, but as baş is not a verb-root, the root has to be the noun bond, impediment. The best one can say for başımsızlık is that its meaning is not so unguessable as that of its partner özgürlük. Öz means pure, and gürlük means abundance, so özgürlük can only mean pure abundance - it cannot mean freedom. But it does. The objection most critics have raised to these two words, however, is not the obvious one that the first violates the rules of the language, while the second makes no sense, but that they have no emotional content.

Untold thousands of Turks, they say, fought and died for hürriyet and istiklâl how many would be ready to fight and die for özgürlük and başımsızlık? The answer to this rhetorical question is that you do not miss what you have never known. To those Turks who have grown up since the 195Os, Hürriyet is the name of a daily newspaper and a square in Beyazit, while İstiklâl is the name of a street in Beyoğlu. To them, özgürlük and başımsızlık mean what hürriyet and istiklâl meant to their grandparents and what freedom and independence mean to English-speakers, and yes, they are ready to fight and die for them if necessary. The language they have spoken all their lives is their language.

25.       vineyards
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 17 Feb 2007 Sat 04:58 am

26.       aenigma x
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 17 Feb 2007 Sat 12:02 pm

Quoting vineyards:

I can name you many commanders and soldiers who tortured or executed many philosophers and scientists. The names of those soldiers have long been forgotten but we still remember Socrates, Nefi and Thomas More. Their ideas are still alive.

Military might comes and goes. Bragging about it is the business of the ilk of Mr. Bush. Although he is in possesion of all that kaboom, he is still a small man in the eyes of people.

Let us boast about our Evliya Celebi, Selim III, Hazerifen Ahmet Celebi, Ali Kuscu, Ibni Sina instead...



27.       lady in red
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 17 Feb 2007 Sat 05:41 pm

Thank you all so much for this interesting and informative series of posts.

28.       Pizza
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 17 Feb 2007 Sat 06:24 pm

Quoting lady in red:

Thank you all so much for this interesting and informative series of posts.


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