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VISA FREE COUNTRIES FOR TURKISH PASSPORT HOLDERS
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11 Jun 2007 Mon 03:11 am |
Hi,I am trying to compile a list of countries that my turkish friend could visit without the hassle of applying for visas. So far, I manage to find 3, (Malaysia, Thailand, Macau. Can anyone else help?
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11 Jun 2007 Mon 06:19 am |
Not many, I am afraid
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11 Jun 2007 Mon 07:22 am |
Quoting smiley: Hi,I am trying to compile a list of countries that my turkish friend could visit without the hassle of applying for visas. So far, I manage to find 3, (Malaysia, Thailand, Macau. Can anyone else help?
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bosnia and herzegovina, crotia, macedonia, tunisia, malta, san marino, vatican, kktc, kenya, trinidad-tobago...
btw, as i know for most of the countries in south america expect peru and paraguay visa not necessarry for turkish citizens. argentina, brazil, chili, kosta rica, uruguay, colombia etc.
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11 Jun 2007 Mon 10:32 am |
Add Singapore as well. What does kktc stands for? Thanks.
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11 Jun 2007 Mon 10:53 am |
Quoting smiley: Add Singapore as well. What does kktc stands for? Thanks. |
cyprus...
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11 Jun 2007 Mon 11:43 am |
Korea (South)
--------------IN TURKISH------------------
Taşıdığı pasaport türü (diplomatik, hizmet, hususi ve umuma mahsus) ne olursa olsun Türk vatandaşları şu ülkelere vize almadan gidebiliyor: ''Arnavutluk, Bahamalar, Barbados, Belize, Bolivya, Bosna Hersek, Dominika, Ekvador, El Salvador, Fas, Filipinler, Gambiya, Guatemala, Hırvatistan, Honduras, Hong Kong, Jamaika, Japonya, Kazakistan, KKTC, Kolombiya, Güney Kore, Kosta Rika, Makedonya, Maldivler, Malezya, Nikaragua, St. Lucia, San Marino, Singapur, Solomon Adaları, Sri Lanka, Svaziland, Şili, Tayland, Trinidad Tobago, Tunus, Tuvalu, Uruguay, Vatikan.''
İster diplomatik isterse normal pasaport olsun her türlü pasaport hamili Türk vatandaşlarına vize uygulayan ülkeler ise şÃ¶yle sıralanıyor:
''Afganistan, ABD, Angola, Antigua-Barbuda, Avustralya, Benin,
Butan, Birleşik Arap Emirlikleri, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cape
Verde, Cibuti, Çad, Dominik Cumhuriyeti, Ekvator Ginesi, Eritre,
Ermenistan, Etiyopya, Fildişi Sahili, Gabon, Gana, Gine, Guyana,
Haiti, Hindistan, Irak, İngiltere, İrlanda, Kamboçya, Kamerun, Kanada,
Katar, Kıbrıs Rum kesimi, Komor, Kongo, Demokratik Kongo Cumhuriyeti, Kuzey Kore, Kuveyt, Laos, Lesotho, Liberya, Libya, Lübnan, Madagaskar, Malavi, Mali, Malta, Moritanya, Mozambik, Myanmar, Namibya, Nauru, Nepal, Nijer, Nijerya, Orta Afrika Cumhuriyeti, Panama, Papua Yeni Gine, Paraguay, Ruanda, St. Christopher Nevis, St. Vincent Grenadines, Sao Tome Principe, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somali, Sudan, Surinam, Suriye, Suudi Arabistan, Tanzanya, Tayvan, Togo, Uganda, Ãœrdün, Vanuatu, Yeni Zelanda, Zambiya, Zimbabve.''
Bu iki ana kategorinin dışında kalan ülkelerin Türk vatandaşları için öngördüğü vize uygulamaları ise çeşitlilik gösteriyor. Almanya, Avusturya, Azerbaycan, Çin, İsrail, Küba, İsviçre, İtalya, İsveç gibi bazı ülkeler umuma mahsus pasaport sahiplerinden vize isterken, diplomatik, hizmet ve hususi pasaport hamili Türk vatandaşlarına ya hiç vize şartı getirmiyor ya da belli bir süreden sonra ikamet edecek olanlardan vize istiyor.
Ministry of Foreign Affairs (In Turkish)
Dışişleri Bakanlığı Vize Bilgileri
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11 Jun 2007 Mon 12:39 pm |
Quoting smiley: Hi,I am trying to compile a list of countries that my turkish friend could visit without the hassle of applying for visas. So far, I manage to find 3, (Malaysia, Thailand, Macau. Can anyone else help?
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so can Macau ppl visit Turkey without applying for visa?
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11 Jun 2007 Mon 08:59 pm |
Sunflowerseed, You're a * star! Thank you very much for the list, which is so helpful.
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12 Jun 2007 Tue 02:05 am |
Quoting iHeartCrouchy:
so can Macau ppl visit Turkey without applying for visa? |
It doesn't mean that anybody from a country which doesn't apply visas to your country's citizens can visit your country without visa. Ask your local governor or check ministry of foreign affairs web site, if they publish such information. (99.99% they do)
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12 Jun 2007 Tue 09:28 am |
I think there's no country at all where you don't need a via for Turkey. Luckily most countries can just go to Turkey, pay 10 euros and get their visa . Just check google, I had to figure it out for a friend of mine not too long ago, and it's not hard to find!
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12 Jun 2007 Tue 03:15 pm |
HERE IS A LIST OF COUNTRIES THAT DO NOT REQUIRE VISA FOR TURKEY!!!!
Visa requirements for foreigners
No visa required
Regular passport holders, if citizen of one of the following countries and having a valid ordinary passport, can enter Turkey without obtaining a visa and stay up to
3 months
Argentina, Australia, Bahamas, Bahrain, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Chile, Denmark
Ecuador, Federal Republic of Germany, Fiji, Finland, France, Greece, Grenada, Hong Kong (Hong Kong Special Administrative Region passport holders only), Iceland, Iran, Israel, Jamaica, Japan, Kenya, Kuwait, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Monaco, Morocco, New Zealand, Norway, Oman, Qatar, Saint Lucia, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Seychelles, Singapore, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, UAE, Uruguay, Vatican
2 Months
Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Indonesia, Macedonia, Romania, Slovenia
1 Month
Bolivia, Kazakhistan, Kirghizia, Maldives, Republic of South Africa
The citizens of the countries above and citizens of Bulgaria are exempted from transit visa. Bulgarian citizens have to pay for transit passing according to agreement dated March 10, 1993.
Official passport holders (diplomatic, special, service type) of the following countries can enter Turkey without obtaining a visa and stay up to
3 months
Albania, Algeria, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Brasilia, Canada, Chile, Cuba, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Equator, Federal Republic of Germany, Fiji, Finland, France, Gambia, Georgia, Greece, Grenada, Hong Kong (Hong Kong Special Administrative Region passport holders only), Iceland, Iran, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Kenya, Kuwait, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Mexico (only diplomatic passport holders), Monaco, Morocco,The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Peru, Poland, Qatar, Saint Lucia, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Seychelles, Singapore, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, UAE, Ukraine, Uruguay,Vatican
2 Months
Afghanistan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Indonesia, Macedonia, Romania, Slovenia
1 Month
Bolivia, Bulgaria (only diplomatic passport holders), Estonia (diplomatic passport holders only), Hungary, Kazakhstan, Kirghizia, Letonia (diplomatic passport holders only), The Maldives, Moldavia, Mongolia, People's Republic of China, Republic of South Africa, Turkmenia, Vietman, Yemen
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12 Jun 2007 Tue 05:30 pm |
I just checked our Government web site about not needing visa for Turkey and I must correct you-citizens of Slovenia do need a visa for entering Turkey(you can get it at the airport and it's 15€ or 20$).But it's truth that diplomats don't need it.
As for Turkish citizens:they don't need visa for Slovenia if they have valid visa for any other country in EU.And again-diplomats don't need visa(as far as I know,diplomats are a *special breed*anyway and don't need to do a lot of things that we-not so *special breed*- have to do)
Best regards from Slovenia
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12 Jun 2007 Tue 07:43 pm |
Countries Turks can visit without a Visa
Andorra
Argentina
Albania
Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
Croatia
Cyprus (Turkish side only)
Dominica
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Fiji
Gambia
Georgia
Grenada
Hong Kong (special admin. area… updated?)
Indonesia
Iran
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Macedonia
Malaysia
Maldives
Mauritius
Monaco
Morocco
Philippines
Romania
Saint Lucia
San Marino
South Africa
South Korea
Seychelles
Singapore
Solomon Islands
Swaziland
Sri Lanka
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Tuvalu
Uruguay
Vatican City
West Samoa
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13 Jun 2007 Wed 01:04 am |
Thank you very much katielou1978. What a fantastic long list! Cheers!
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:15 am |
TIME GOES SLOW SOMETIMES BUT ARRIVES EVENTUALLY
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:17 am |
BEN VE BENIM GIBI DUSUNEN ONBINLER VE UYKUDAKI MILYONALARCA GENC TURKOGLU TURK!!!
UYANMA VAKTI .. UYANIYORLAR YAVAS YAVAS...
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:19 am |
SISTEM DEGISECEK .. BEN VE BENIM GIBILER SAYESINDE.. DEGISMEK ZORUNDA OLDUGU ICIN DE
GISECEK .. HERSEYIN BU KADAR KOLAY OLDUGUNA BIZIMKILER BILE SASIRACAK !!
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:45 am |
How nice to see that you have lived up to the potential of your reason for being at TC
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 10:53 am |
SISTEM DEGISECEK .. BEN VE BENIM GIBILER SAYESINDE.. DEGISMEK ZORUNDA OLDUGU ICIN DE
GISECEK .. HERSEYIN BU KADAR KOLAY OLDUGUNA BIZIMKILER BILE SASIRACAK !!
Unfortunately, ´you´ - same as ´those like you´, will have your account deleted if you continue to write in the way you did in the posts I have just deleted.
Edited (10/27/2009) by lady in red
Edited (10/27/2009) by lady in red
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 11:18 am |
Did he say when people from my country will not have to pay visa for enter in Turkey or something ?
Edited (10/27/2009) by ReyhanL
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 11:23 am |
TIME GOES SLOW SOMETIMES BUT ARRIVES EVENTUALLY
ÃNÞALLAH ÃNÞALLAH !
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 12:02 pm |
Did he say when people from my country will not have to pay visa for enter in Turkey or something ?
Ermmmm........not exactly!
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 12:12 pm |
Countries Turks can visit without a Visa Romania
WRONG!
Edited (10/27/2009) by ReyhanL
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 01:21 pm |
YEŞİL - HUSUSİ - PASAPORTA VİZE İSTEYEN ULKELER :
• A.B.D • Bulgaristan • İngiltere • Kanada • Portekiz • Rusya • Yunanistan
D- YEŞİL PASAPORTA VİZE İSTEMEYEN ÜLKELER : • Almanya • Azerbaycan ( 3 aya kadar) • Avusturya Bagladeş ( 3 aya kadar) • Belçika • Belerus • Cezayir (3 aya kadar) • Çek Cumhuriyeti • Çin Halk Cumhuriyeti ( 1 aya kadar) • Danimarka • Fransa • Finlandiya • Gürcistan • Hollanda • İspanya • İsviçre • İtalya • İsrail • İzlanda • Küba • Litvanya • Lüksemburg • Lihtenştayn • Letonya • Macaristan • Malta • Misir • Macau (15 güne kadar) • Moğolistan • Norveç • Oman • Pakistan • Peru • Romanya • Solvenya • Slovakya • Türkmenistan • Venezuella • Yemen Cumhuriyeti
Not=Bilindiği üzere, uluslararası hukukta karşılıklılık (mütekabiliyet esası kuralı vardır. Bu genel kabul gören hukuk normuna göre, devletler, vize işlemlerini karşılıklılık esasına göre uygulamaya koyar. uluslararası anlaşmalar uyarınca, vize uygulayan ülkeye aynı koşullar çerçevesinde vize uygulanır, vize uygulamayan ülkeye de aynı koşullar çerçevesinde vize uygulanmaz.Hukuksal ve diplomatik kural budur.
Edited (10/27/2009) by yilgun-2010
Edited (10/27/2009) by yilgun-2010
Edited (10/27/2009) by yilgun-2010
Edited (10/28/2009) by yilgun-2010
Edited (12/19/2009) by yilgun-2010
Edited (12/19/2009) by yilgun-2010
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 01:24 pm |
Turkish people need visa for Romania????
I didnt know......I am confuse
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 01:26 pm |
I know a lot of peoples who are working in Romania, but i dont know about their visaa, of course....but they are Turkish citizens
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 01:58 pm |
Turkish people need visa for Romania????
I didnt know......I am confuse
Romanian turistic visa for turkish people costs 82 usd and must be taken from Embassy or Consulate
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 02:20 pm |
Romanian turistic visa for turkish people costs 82 usd and must be taken from Embassy or Consulate
wow, I didnt know....but is unjust, it is so expensive; touristic visa for romanian in Turkey is only 15 euros
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 02:24 pm |
wow, I didnt know....but is unjust, it is so expensive; touristic visa for romanian in Turkey is only 15 euros
Can you tell me what is ´just´ in this life ?
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 02:25 pm |
Romanian turistic visa for turkish people costs 82 usd and must be taken from Embassy or Consulate
you are right, I have searched, so expensive and unjust......why.....
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 02:28 pm |
you are right, I have searched, so expensive and unjust......why.....
Dont ask how much cost moldovian visa for turks..
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:39 pm |
Dont ask how much cost moldovian visa for turks..
but..why should they there go...
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:40 pm |
Can you tell me what is ´just´ in this life ?
do u know..all goods is immoral, illegal, or become fat
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:41 pm |
but..why should they there go...
à heard that moldovian girls are very beautiful thats why!
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:43 pm |
There are a lot of Moldovian girls in Istanbul I don´t know why. I think they work here
à heard that moldovian girls are very beautiful thats why!
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:45 pm |
There are a lot of Moldovian girls in Istanbul I don´t know why. I think they work here
Because Moldova is a poor country ?
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:46 pm |
I don´t think Turkey is a rich country but we might be richer than Moldova. I´m not sure about that.
Because Moldova is a poor country ?
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:47 pm |
I don´t think Turkey is a rich country but we might be richer than Moldova. I´m not sure about that.
Turkey is much richer than Moldova.
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:48 pm |
à heard that moldovian girls are very beautiful thats why!
üf ya...I hate them....
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:49 pm |
üf ya...I hate them....
You just cant hate them
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:49 pm |
do you hate them because they are poor?
That´s too bad.
üf ya...I hate them....
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:51 pm |
do you hate them because they are poor?
That´s too bad.
nooo..they are nor poor....boþver
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:52 pm |
I still believe that hate is a wrong word
you can say you dislike them abhor them detest them abominate them. but please dont use the word hate
nooo..they are nor poor....boþver
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:52 pm |
do you hate them because they are poor?
That´s too bad.
We cannot hate our brothers...but i think someone is jelous here
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:53 pm |
do you hate them because they are poor?
That´s too bad.
I hate all means russian...because I lived 20 years behind russians, lol, I wont to be....so politically, please, forgive me
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:54 pm |
I hate all means russian...because I lived 20 years behind russians, lol, I wont to be....so politically, please, forgive me
Moldovians are not russians
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:54 pm |
We cannot hate our brothers...but i think someone is jelous here
ooffff....women and men.....it is a real life srory
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:55 pm |
ooffff....women and men.....it is a real life srory
There is no need to have inferiority complex
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:56 pm |
oh okay so you hate RUSSIANS not Moldovians. I understand
ooffff....women and men.....it is a real life srory
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:56 pm |
I still believe that hate is a wrong word
you can say you dislike them abhor them detest them abominate them. but please dont use the word hate
but..the hate it is not antonym with love, its antonym is ...indefference
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 05:58 pm |
oh okay so you hate RUSSIANS not Moldovians. I understand
oh..I give up...
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:00 pm |
Think positive !
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:01 pm |
yes, smile, tomorrow is a new day....Scarlett O`Hara
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:02 pm |
what if i die the same day?
yes, smile, tomorrow is a new day....Scarlett O`Hara
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:04 pm |
yes, smile, tomorrow is a new day....Scarlett O`Hara
Carpe diem is better
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:05 pm |
which means?
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:06 pm |
Are you turkish?
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:09 pm |
Are you turkish?
surelly, if he was romanian, he knew.....romanian educational system, more for nothing....
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:10 pm |
Actually my mom is Turkish
surelly, if he was romanian, he knew.....romanian educational system, more for nothing....
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:12 pm |
Actually my mom is Turkish
ok, sorry if I was rude, I respect all means Turkiye and Turkish people
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:13 pm |
We want to believe you Elena . Ceaucescu´s wife´s name was Elena too, right?
ok, sorry if I was rude, I respect all means Turkiye and Turkish people
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:14 pm |
We want to believe you Elena . Ceaucescu´s wife´s name was Elena too, right?
Touche
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:17 pm |
Touche
ok, my second name is Gabriela- my mother wants for me 2 first name.....
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:18 pm |
Carpe diem = ´seize the day´ it is latin and taken from a poem
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:18 pm |
click on this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_passport
and just scroll down and you´ll find the visa requirements for Turkish Passport holders for nearly all countries, the table includes all regular, special and diplomatic passports..
Edited (10/27/2009) by angel_of_death
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:33 pm |
Carpe diem = ´seize the day´ it is latin and taken from a poem
Now it is time to carpe noctem
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:46 pm |
Carpe diem = ´seize the day´ it is latin and taken from a poem
Original usage from Odes 1.11, in Latin and English:
Tu ne quaesieris, scire nefas, quem mihi, quem tibi |
Don´t ask (it´s forbidden to know) what final fate the gods have |
finem di dederint, Leuconoe, nec Babylonios |
what end the gods will give me or you, Leuconoe. Don´t play with Babylonian |
temptaris numeros. ut melius, quidquid erit, pati. |
fortune-telling either. It is better to endure whatever will be. |
seu pluris hiemes seu tribuit Iuppiter ultimam, |
Whether Jupiter has allotted to you many more winters or this final one |
quae nunc oppositis debilitat pumicibus mare |
which even now wears out the Tyrrhenian sea on the rocks placed opposite |
Tyrrhenum: sapias, vina liques et spatio brevi |
— be smart, drink your wine. Scale back your long hopes |
spem longam reseces. dum loquimur, fugerit invida |
to a short period. While we speak, envious time will have {already} fled |
aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero. |
Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow. |
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 07:06 pm |
Now it is time to carpe noctem
carpe noctem = seize the night? just a guess
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 07:57 pm |
Carpe diem = live the moment
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 08:25 pm |
Carpe diem = live the moment
Carpe diem - literally ´seize the day´
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 10:07 pm |
Carpe diem = live the moment
..and not trust in tomorrow.....
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27 Oct 2009 Tue 10:25 pm |
Thank you very much Elena and ReyhanL
..and not trust in tomorrow.....
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28 Oct 2009 Wed 07:50 am |
Thank you very much Elena and ReyhanL
what for....
sorry again if I was rude......
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28 Oct 2009 Wed 07:54 am |
Carpe diem = ´seize the day´ it is latin and taken from a poem
it is the same to `gaudeamus igitur`
for ever young I want to be, for ever young......(Alphaville)
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07 Dec 2009 Mon 01:20 am |
Türkiye´ye vize uygulamayan 55 ülke :
1- Antigue-Barbuda
2-Arjantin - Argentina
3-Arnavutluk - Albania
4-Bahamalar
5-Barbados
6-Belize
7-Bolivya
8-Bosna-Hersek
9-Brezilya - Brazil
10-Ekvator
11-El Salvador
12-Fas - Morocco
13-Fiji
14-Filipinler- Philippines
15-Guetemala
16-Güney Afrika Cumhuriyet-South Africa
17-Gürcistan
18-Haiti
19.Hırvatistan
20-Honduras
21-Hong Kong
22-Iran
23-Jamaika
24-Japonya- Japan
25-Karadağ
26-Kazakistan
27-Kırgızistan
28-KKTC - Northern Cyprus
29-Kolombiya - Colombia
30-Güney Kore - Southern Korea
31-Kosova
32-Kosta Rika - Costa Rico
33-Libya
34-Makau
35-Makedonya
36-Maldivler
37-Malezya - Malezia
38-Mauritus
39-Nikaragua
40-Palau
41-Paraguay
42-St.Vincent-Grenadines
43-Singapur
44-Solomon Adaları
45-Sri Lanka
46-Suriye - Syria
47-Svaziland
48-Şili - Chile
49-Tayland - Thailand 50-Trinidad -Tobago
51-Tunus - Tunisia 52-Tuvalu
53-Uruguay
54-Ürdün - Jordan 55-Venezüella
Edited (12/7/2009) by yilgun-2010
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07 Dec 2009 Mon 01:23 am |
Türkiye´ye vize uygulamayan 52 ülke :
1- Antigue-Barbuda
2-Arjantin - Argentina
3-Arnavutluk - Albania
4-Bahamalar
5-Barbados
6-Belize
7-Bolivya
8-Bosna-Hersek
9-Brezilya - Brazil
10-Ekvator
11-El Salvador
12-Fas - Morocco
13-Fiji
14-Filipinler- Philippines
15-Guetemala
16-Güney Afrika Cumhuriyet-South Africa
17-Gürcistan
18-Haiti
19.Hırvatistan
20-Honduras
21-Hong Kong
22-Iran
23-Jamaika
24-Japonya- Japan
25-Karadağ
26-Kazakistan
27-Kırgızistan
28-KKTC - Northern Cyprus
29-Kolombiya - Colombia
30-Güney Kore - Southern Korea
31-Kosova
32-Kosta Rika - Costa Rico
33-Libya
34-Makau
35-Makedonya
36-Maldivler
37-Malezya - Malezia
38-Mauritus
39-Nikaragua
40-Palau
41-Paraguay
42-St.Vincent-Grenadines
43-Singapur
44-Solomon Adaları
45-Sri Lanka
46-Suriye - Syria
47-Svaziland
48-Şili
49-Tayland - Thailand 50-Trinidad -Tobago
51-Tunus - Tunisia 52-Tuvalu
53-Uruguay
54-Ürdün - Jordan 55-Venezüella
Yilgun..damn it!!!!!!!!!!you know that I love you but why to hell you stick to lists always????????even the lists that appeared here on Tc before..damnnnnnnnn..brother!!!!!!!!!mercy me and write sth from a bottom of your heart!!!!!
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07 Dec 2009 Mon 01:26 am |
Ok...
( If words were food, nobody would go hungry in the world )
( This was the realistic and important formal list showing the countries who respect Türkiye in the world )
Edited (12/7/2009) by yilgun-2010
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07 Dec 2009 Mon 01:49 am |
Ok...
( If words were food, nobody would go hungry in the world )
( This was the realistic and important formal list showing the countries who respect Türkiye in the world )
ahh canim))it is politics..the notion that mine and your brain cannot comprehend.My heart feels sorrowful at the fact that Turkey is not respected or recognised by many but is this the reason to bring borring lists?You´d better speak your heart...and soul and mind...damn demanding your sister is..but you can do it,can´t you?
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07 Dec 2009 Mon 12:31 pm |
Ok...
( If words were food, nobody would go hungry in the world )
( This was the realistic and important formal list showing the countries who respect Türkiye in the world )
For the rest of the country who do not respect Turkey ( are not on your list ) ´çok ayıp´ !
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10 Dec 2009 Thu 07:23 pm |
Yes it is, unfortunately.
Görünen köy kılavuz istemez.
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11 Dec 2009 Fri 01:05 am |
Yes it is, unfortunately.
Görünen köy kılavuz istemez.
Can you make a list of countries who need visa for enter in Turkey ? That must be named (after your mind )´ the countries that Turkey doesnt respect´
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23 Dec 2009 Wed 02:11 am |
thanks for the information
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14 Jan 2010 Thu 08:07 pm |
There is a good-sized list of countries a Turkish national can visit, but you also need to be aware of HOW to get there. Many of these countries cannot be accessed by direct flight, and require a transit visa (at least) through another european country. We learned this the hard way when my now-husband and I were going to get married in the Bahamas ... until England refused my husband AND his older parents their visas. Of course, flights all need to be purchased PRIOR to applying for the transit visa. Needless to say, we lost a LOT of money.
Edited (1/14/2010) by JanetteO
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14 Jan 2010 Thu 08:11 pm |
In conclusion dont go to get married in Bahamas !
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14 Jan 2010 Thu 08:20 pm |
Lesson learned ... but Turkey is a great place to get married too. Especially by the sea ...
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14 Jan 2010 Thu 09:09 pm |
My fiance and I planned to meet in one of these countries for a short vaycay but when he went to the tourist office about information about the country in South America, they told him he can´t do it because he needs a visa to go anywhere from Turkey. Don´t know why they said this and to this day, he said he will never try to apply for any visa because he was heartbroken and he doesn´t ever want to go through the pain of the rejection he felt.
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14 Jan 2010 Thu 09:51 pm |
There is a good-sized list of countries a Turkish national can visit, but you also need to be aware of HOW to get there. Many of these countries cannot be accessed by direct flight, and require a transit visa (at least) through another european country. We learned this the hard way when my now-husband and I were going to get married in the Bahamas ... until England refused my husband AND his older parents their visas. Of course, flights all need to be purchased PRIOR to applying for the transit visa. Needless to say, we lost a LOT of money.
Wow, that is harsh! I really hate this requirement to have a ticket prior to getting a visa, it´s so sadistic.
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 03:41 am |
Wow, that is harsh! I really hate this requirement to have a ticket prior to getting a visa, it´s so sadistic.
thats a normal procedure though. been there.
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 11:14 am |
There is a good-sized list of countries a Turkish national can visit, but you also need to be aware of HOW to get there. Many of these countries cannot be accessed by direct flight, and require a transit visa (at least) through another european country. We learned this the hard way when my now-husband and I were going to get married in the Bahamas ... until England refused my husband AND his older parents their visas. Of course, flights all need to be purchased PRIOR to applying for the transit visa. Needless to say, we lost a LOT of money.
Never thought about that... Good to keep in mind, transit visa´s...
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 11:27 am |
My fiance and I planned to meet in one of these countries for a short vaycay but when he went to the tourist office about information about the country in South America, they told him he can´t do it because he needs a visa to go anywhere from Turkey. Don´t know why they said this and to this day, he said he will never try to apply for any visa because he was heartbroken and he doesn´t ever want to go through the pain of the rejection he felt.
Applying a visa for a turkish ppl is a real torture. Coz they behave you how they want and ask and want many stupid things and u do not have any rights to ask WHY? u can apply again they say. Coz whenever u applied consulate for visa u have to pay and pay for everything, even when u want to ask something on phone they ask you an ip code (i.e. in austria consulate), I learnt that you have to send money to their account and bank give u a number. without this number they dont answer anything
And they can want some papers that they dont ask from others. You have to be very patient.
Too many stupid things,
I learnt, what kind of feeling being a turkish in the eyes of European countries.
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 02:40 pm |
Polish people applying for visa to the US or Australia also have to go through an unpleasant and pricey procedure. So do non-EU citizens from Europe if they want to go to the EU countries. I think it´s normal that countries want to protect their job market and operate on assumptions while deciding on visas.
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 02:56 pm |
Polish people applying for visa to the US or Australia also have to go through an unpleasant and pricey procedure. So do non-EU citizens from Europe if they want to go to the EU countries. I think it´s normal that countries want to protect their job market and operate on assumptions while deciding on visas.
But if you can show a good reason why u want visa, and they know they have to give you visa at the end. it is nothing than racism making some ppl waiting and waiting, and asking stupid questions and papers.
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 02:58 pm |
thats a normal procedure though. been there.
Yes I have been there as well. But they only requested booked flight details not the purchased ticket. They also demanded the hotel booking details on a fax message sent by the hotel with the hotel logo on it.
So I didn´t pay anything until the visa is granted.
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 03:43 pm |
The stupid thing is, I called the Dutch embassy when I was trying to arrange a visa for somebody from Turkey. They also treated me like I was an idiot. I was very upset, since after all, their salary is paid with MY tax-money.
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 03:59 pm |
Quote:
But if you can show a good reason why u want visa, and they know they have to give you visa at the end. it is nothing than racism making some ppl waiting and waiting, and asking stupid questions and papers.
Trust me ... they don´t HAVE to give you the visa in the end
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 04:04 pm |
Trust me ... they don´t HAVE to give you the visa in the end
depends on your reason why u want to travel. for visiting your gf (you have no chance), for travelling (if you are not very rich, impossible), someone invites you (u have to try many times).
Edited (1/15/2010) by TheJanissary
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 06:35 pm |
depends on your reason why u want to travel. for visiting your gf (you have no chance), for travelling (if you are not very rich, impossible), someone invites you (u have to try many times).
Well, you have a chance... after the first denial (which you will get) you can get a lawyer for the follow up procedure to kick some behinds
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 06:41 pm |
Well, you have a chance... after the first denial (which you will get) you can get a lawyer for the follow up procedure to kick some behinds
it seems you have enough experience
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 07:06 pm |
The stupid thing is, I called the Dutch embassy when I was trying to arrange a visa for somebody from Turkey. They also treated me like I was an idiot. I was very upset, since after all, their salary is paid with MY tax-money.
ahahaha my ego was hurt when i contacted a kazakh embassy with a hope to be embraced. to my astonishment the conversation was cold, and the man behaved as if i was a sub-human.
my conclusion: all embassies do it regardless your nationality or ethnicity.
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 09:20 pm |
But if you can show a good reason why u want visa, and they know they have to give you visa at the end. it is nothing than racism making some ppl waiting and waiting, and asking stupid questions and papers.
Not really, basically it´s up to a deciding officer whether or not you´re getting the visa. I know many people who were refused one for no clear reason
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 09:47 pm |
Not really, basically it´s up to a deciding officer whether or not you´re getting the visa. I know many people who were refused one for no clear reason
True, but if they forget to write the exact reason in the denial letter (which they often forget!) you can get the visa anyway because of a "procedure mistake"
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 10:11 pm |
Saying "no clear reason" I meant there was a justification but it was just a bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 11:20 pm |
i know they also state at the beginning that they have a right not to give you any reason why you would be refused a visa.
and you cant do anything with that. you cant sue them, you would gain nothing appealing against their decidion. they are like gods in their own little kingdom.
you keep trying or give up.
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15 Jan 2010 Fri 11:42 pm |
Ohw, I guess it differs per country.
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:00 am |
Turkey is getting its´ own back by doing it´s best to make it expensive for those of us that want to live here. The cost of a 2-year residency permit for UK nationals has gone up from 1154 tl in December (when I renewed mine) to 1752 tl - an increase of around 300 tl a year which is a 50% increase!
Edited (1/16/2010) by lady in red
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:03 am |
Turkey is getting its´ own back by doing it´s best to make it expensive for those of us that want to live here. The cost of a 2-year residency permit for UK nationals has gone up from 1154 tl in December (when I renewed mine) to 1752 tl - an increase of around 300 tl a year which is a 50% increase!
shush!
you cant say it here!
here we talk about evil western embassies in turkey not the other way round.
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:13 am |
Turkey is getting its´ own back by doing it´s best to make it expensive for those of us that want to live here. The cost of a 2-year residency permit for UK nationals has gone up from 1154 tl in December (when I renewed mine) to 1752 tl - an increase of around 300 tl a year which is a 50% increase!
can we Turks live in your country just paying 1752 tl?
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:24 am |
can we Turks live in your country just paying 1752 tl?
Don´t know - do you have to pay each year to stay there once you manage to get there?
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:26 am |
Don´t know - do you have to pay each year to stay there once you manage to get there?
no and you don`t have to pay to stay in Turkey either, if you are there to study. get your facts straight, lir.
Edited (1/16/2010) by murat elhamri
Edited (1/16/2010) by murat elhamri
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:43 am |
no and you don`t have to pay to stay in Turkey either, if you are there to study. get your facts straight, lir.
I didn´t quote any ´facts´ to get straight ´murat´ - I stated that the cost of a residency fee had gone up by 50% - no mention of studying - and then asked you a question!
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:47 am |
In Holland there is an initial fee, and a fee at the end of the first year, after this it´s free. I´m not speaking about students... I´m talking about "normal" people
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:48 am |
I didn´t quote any ´facts´ to get straight ´murat´ - I stated that the cost of a residency fee had gone up by 50% - no mention of studying - and then asked you a question!
ok let me quote a fact for you then
you can live in Turkey by paying 1700 tl each year, but I can`t live in your country paying a fee.
That`s an option given to you, but I don`t have such an option.
are you still sure they are being unfair by increasing the fees?
Edited (1/16/2010) by murat elhamri
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:55 am |
are you still sure they are being unfair by increasing the fees?
Can you read? Did I say they are being unfair? Nope - I said they are getting their own back - didn´t say I blamed them!
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:37 am |
ok let me quote a fact for you then
you can live in Turkey by paying 1700 tl each year, but I can`t live in your country paying a fee.
That`s an option given to you, but I don`t have such an option.
are you still sure they are being unfair by increasing the fees?
How about putting it this way:
Some countries have to encourage foreigners to come and live there, provided that they can pay an annual fee (and buy a property and invest in the local business)
Some countries do not sell resident status but rather put restrictions on foreign flow, ie if they find you useful for the country, you are welcome to settle down free of charge.
And, dear Tami, many Turkish citizens live in LiR´s country (for free) so it´s quite unfair to get at her throat saying that she can live in your country and you can´t live in hers. It´s not her fault your country sells itself cheap...blame your government, organise a protest...oh, sorry, I forgot you´re a few thousand kilometres away from home...even you decided the US gives you better opportunities than your homeland
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 01:07 pm |
How about putting it this way:
Some countries have to encourage foreigners to come and live there, provided that they can pay an annual fee (and buy a property and invest in the local business)
Some countries do not sell resident status but rather put restrictions on foreign flow, ie if they find you useful for the country, you are welcome to settle down free of charge.
And, dear Tami, many Turkish citizens live in LiR´s country (for free) so it´s quite unfair to get at her throat saying that she can live in your country and you can´t live in hers. It´s not her fault your country sells itself cheap...blame your government, organise a protest...oh, sorry, I forgot you´re a few thousand kilometres away from home...even you decided the US gives you better opportunities than your homeland
Turkish pp in europe are not living for free. they are working and doing every job that most european ppl do not. if foreign ppl buying resident here, turkish ppl in europe add more to european economy than foreign ppl do in turkey economy. Europe always complain about immigrants but there is a reality that they use them very well.
Governments change, so everything will not go like this forever. I am sure that one day european union will run after turkey for membership.
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 01:34 pm |
Turkish pp in europe are not living for free. they are working and doing every job that most european ppl do not. if foreign ppl buying resident here, turkish ppl in europe add more to european economy than foreign ppl do in turkey economy. Europe always complain about immigrants but there is a reality that they use them very well.
Governments change, so everything will not go like this forever. I am sure that one day european union will run after turkey for membership.
EU is still trying to find every way how they could avoid turkish membership, and i searched in my country´s government pages but all i found is - third country people have to learn some estonian and do exam, and then they can apply for permit to live here and work here, those permits are permanent or temporary - depends on how long they wanna stay here, but i still haven´t found anything about any fee for that, although i think for language courses and/or for taking the official language exam they have to pay smth, just like we are paying here if we want to do TOEFL or TORFL or some other exams (i paid for my TORFL, too)...but i will keep searching.
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 01:48 pm |
Are we totally forgetting here how HARD it is to get a work-permit as a foreigner in Turkey?!?!
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118. |
16 Jan 2010 Sat 01:53 pm |
Are we totally forgetting here how HARD it is to get a work-permit as a foreigner in Turkey?!?!
Thát´s different.......
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 01:56 pm |
Are we totally forgetting here how HARD it is to get a work-permit as a foreigner in Turkey?!?!
how about as a foreigner in your country? is it easier?
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:01 pm |
how about as a foreigner in your country? is it easier?
yes.
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 03:49 pm |
Maybe it seems you difficult. It is more difficult than getting visa to turkey for foreign ppl.
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 03:50 pm |
Well, I have to say, my husband has applied for a study visa, a tourist visa AND a transit visa, and he´s been turned down all 3 times. How lucky I am to be Canadian, hop on a plane and go pretty much wherever I want with very little difficulty! My only question is: why is a Canadian charged 60 USD for a visa in Turkey, while everyone else is charged around 20USD? Not that I´m complaining, just curious ...
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 04:08 pm |
Turkish visa for kanadians is 60 usd ?
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 04:12 pm |
Yes. Every other nationality gets charged 15-20 USD. I just don´t understand why
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 04:13 pm |
Well, I have to say, my husband has applied for a study visa, a tourist visa AND a transit visa, and he´s been turned down all 3 times. How lucky I am to be Canadian, hop on a plane and go pretty much wherever I want with very little difficulty! My only question is: why is a Canadian charged 60 USD for a visa in Turkey, while everyone else is charged around 20USD? Not that I´m complaining, just curious ...
It´s £10 for 3 months tourist visa for Brits. Cheaper or not-required at all for some other nationalities.
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126. |
16 Jan 2010 Sat 04:17 pm |
I guess the Turks like you guys better
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127. |
16 Jan 2010 Sat 04:17 pm |
If you have to go 3-4 times / month is much..
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128. |
16 Jan 2010 Sat 04:25 pm |
They´re still good for 90 days, and being from across the ocean, I´m lucky I can get there 3-4 times each year! It´s a loooong flight ...
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129. |
16 Jan 2010 Sat 04:25 pm |
I guess the Turks like you guys better
Not so as you´d notice!
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130. |
16 Jan 2010 Sat 04:46 pm |
They like us more..
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131. |
16 Jan 2010 Sat 05:18 pm |
They like us more..
about 2 years now we don´t have to pay fo any visas anymore, 90 days visa-free, just pack your bags and buy a ticket and get on the plane on time...does that mean they just loooooooove estonians...?
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 05:41 pm |
It´s £10 for 3 months tourist visa for Brits. Cheaper or not-required at all for some other nationalities.
Among others Belgium and Danish people don´t need to pay at all, while the Dutch have been charged more since May 2009. A visa costed always 10 Euro and now is 15 Euro. The Turks don´t love us anymore.....
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 05:59 pm |
Still cheaper than the 45 Euro us Canadians have to pay
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 06:45 pm |
For me its free from now on
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 07:05 pm |
Well, I have to say, my husband has applied for a study visa, a tourist visa AND a transit visa, and he´s been turned down all 3 times. How lucky I am to be Canadian, hop on a plane and go pretty much wherever I want with very little difficulty! My only question is: why is a Canadian charged 60 USD for a visa in Turkey, while everyone else is charged around 20USD? Not that I´m complaining, just curious ...
Dont worry, if a turkish ppl succeed to get a visa, we pay more than this.
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 07:09 pm |
Turkish pp in europe are not living for free. they are working and doing every job that most european ppl do not. if foreign ppl buying resident here, turkish ppl in europe add more to european economy than foreign ppl do in turkey economy. Europe always complain about immigrants but there is a reality that they use them very well.
Governments change, so everything will not go like this forever. I am sure that one day european union will run after turkey for membership.
That´s an entirely different thing, you´re talking about people who come to work in a country. We were talking about people who live abroad not because they work there but because they have enough money to support themselves (ie are retired and are looking for a nice place to stay).
The way you talk about immigrants is as if they were brought on banana ships. That´s not true! people want to live in the best conditions they can get. If their home country like Turkey or Poland, doesn´t provide them (the same goes for education), people decide to immigrate. And it´s not like they do it just to help their target country, it´s to improve their own material status. Of course, no country would take immigrants if it didn´t need them. And here come immigration regulations and score-based visa systems. The same goes for Turkey - you can´t freely work there, you need a permit. As for their imput into the economy, don´t forget that usually what you contribute is what you get back. So, the situation where you work and use free medical services is an example. Or, you work and your children get free education. I don´t see why you´re saying that by immigrating you contribute more than a person who worked in one country but invests in another - one that they hadn´t given him or her anything before.
I don´t see why Europe would want to beg Turkey for membership. What is it that Turkey has and Europe doesn´t? EU is an organisation, if you want to be in it, you apply, learn the rules and either implement them or not. I´ve never heard about EU trying to get a country into its structures, some countries simply don´t want it - like Norway, but EU never begs them to join.
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 07:14 pm |
By the way all these conditions and difficulties are for normal passports. for service (Grey) and diplomatic passport (green), visa is not required except some countries (UK, Greece etc).
for every passport Greece wants Visa, it seems they still see us as enemy.
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16 Jan 2010 Sat 11:01 pm |
--> Daydreamer, good post!
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:08 am |
That´s an entirely different thing, you´re talking about people who come to work in a country. We were talking about people who live abroad not because they work there but because they have enough money to support themselves (ie are retired and are looking for a nice place to stay).
The way you talk about immigrants is as if they were brought on banana ships. That´s not true! people want to live in the best conditions they can get. If their home country like Turkey or Poland, doesn´t provide them (the same goes for education), people decide to immigrate. And it´s not like they do it just to help their target country, it´s to improve their own material status. Of course, no country would take immigrants if it didn´t need them. And here come immigration regulations and score-based visa systems. The same goes for Turkey - you can´t freely work there, you need a permit. As for their imput into the economy, don´t forget that usually what you contribute is what you get back. So, the situation where you work and use free medical services is an example. Or, you work and your children get free education. I don´t see why you´re saying that by immigrating you contribute more than a person who worked in one country but invests in another - one that they hadn´t given him or her anything before.
I don´t see why Europe would want to beg Turkey for membership. What is it that Turkey has and Europe doesn´t? EU is an organisation, if you want to be in it, you apply, learn the rules and either implement them or not. I´ve never heard about EU trying to get a country into its structures, some countries simply don´t want it - like Norway, but EU never begs them to join.
fabulous!!!
and i think the same goes with every country. turkey doesnt have a big heart for poorer countries.
for example KZ doesnt easily give visas to the chineese citizens or countries of africa..
besides most westerners come to spend money not to earn. and turkeys economy depends on western visitors.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:10 am |
That´s an entirely different thing, you´re talking about people who come to work in a country. We were talking about people who live abroad not because they work there but because they have enough money to support themselves (ie are retired and are looking for a nice place to stay).
The way you talk about immigrants is as if they were brought on banana ships. That´s not true! people want to live in the best conditions they can get. If their home country like Turkey or Poland, doesn´t provide them (the same goes for education), people decide to immigrate. And it´s not like they do it just to help their target country, it´s to improve their own material status. Of course, no country would take immigrants if it didn´t need them. And here come immigration regulations and score-based visa systems. The same goes for Turkey - you can´t freely work there, you need a permit. As for their imput into the economy, don´t forget that usually what you contribute is what you get back. So, the situation where you work and use free medical services is an example. Or, you work and your children get free education. I don´t see why you´re saying that by immigrating you contribute more than a person who worked in one country but invests in another - one that they hadn´t given him or her anything before.
I don´t see why Europe would want to beg Turkey for membership. What is it that Turkey has and Europe doesn´t? EU is an organisation, if you want to be in it, you apply, learn the rules and either implement them or not. I´ve never heard about EU trying to get a country into its structures, some countries simply don´t want it - like Norway, but EU never begs them to join.
What do you know about imigrants really?
20-30 years ago, it was german and some other countries, asked for workers from different countries mostly from Turkey. now there is a big turkish community in europe and with time it is increasing. of course some come with illegal ways but mostly they went there with legal ways with the agreement between governments. maybe They still see them as immigrant.
Actually what europe has now? We see the economic status of EU, recently we saw Greece , I dont think it will go long. this big community will collapse one day. Turkey is in the middle of most important energy sources, and one of the biggest economy and one of the the fast growing economy in the region. I dont know if europe has a big energy source for long term?
EU rules? I do not think they have rules. Turkey is a candidate for about 50 years, still a candidate, they just want us wait at the door, they will call when they need. there is a reality that they will never accept Turkey even if turkey implement them.
But a few weeks ago EU showed their real face and they abolished Visa application to Serbia and some other countries except Bosna which are not EU member or a candidate. so, what kind of rules do these countries implement? Turkey and Bosna couldnt? why serbia why not Bosnia and Herzegovina (40 % of the population is muslim!).
Lastly, Of course countries are free to apply Visa to some countries BUT application procedure is really a torture and insulting. For me it is strange when u complain about some small procedures about turkey, which can not be compared what turkish ppl meet.
Edited (1/17/2010) by TheJanissary
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Edited (1/17/2010) by TheJanissary
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:21 am |
The Turkish immigrants came, earned money. They were happy, the receiving countries were also happy. Most of the next generations Turkish people in Holland have good jobs. They are not "immigrants" pushed into bad jobs. Compared to other immigrant groups that arrived at the same time, Turkish people have put a lot of stress on getting a good education after their children joined them. The Turkish people in Holland with horrible underpaid jobs are mostly illegals. Often they run away for Turkish army-duty. These immigrants cost the country a lot of money. Think about lost taxes, lost legal jobs, police costs of tracking people down.
Turkey is not heaven. No country in the EU is heaven. Rules are not made up to tease people, or torture people. They are made up because of past experiences. Yes, these rules do not work that well all of the time. They often hit the good people the hardest, and the worst people find ways to avoid them. But if you can think of a system that works better, go work for the government and bring upon some chances.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:33 am |
The Turkish immigrants came, earned money. They were happy, the receiving countries were also happy. Most of the next generations Turkish people in Holland have good jobs. They are not "immigrants" pushed into bad jobs. Compared to other immigrant groups that arrived at the same time, Turkish people have put a lot of stress on getting a good education after their children joined them. The Turkish people in Holland with horrible underpaid jobs are mostly illegals. Often they run away for Turkish army-duty. These immigrants cost the country a lot of money. Think about lost taxes, lost legal jobs, police costs of tracking people down.
Turkey is not heaven. No country in the EU is heaven. Rules are not made up to tease people, or torture people. They are made up because of past experiences. Yes, these rules do not work that well all of the time. They often hit the good people the hardest, and the worst people find ways to avoid them. But if you can think of a system that works better, go work for the government and bring upon some chances.
I havent heard anyone who escaped from turkey due to army-duty, but mostly being involved in terrorist actions. there are some organisations which help such ppl to escape and work for their group and pay to them. Going a country is not easy unless some ppl help you. that why they work in such places.
If I worked for to make the system better, I would first finish membership actions with europe and look on my way
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:36 am |
What do I know about immigration? Well, first of all I am an immigrant myself so I suppose I have an idea. What you wrote basically agrees with my point - nobody FORCED people to immigrate, they did it because their homeland didn´t give them the same opportunities. So, they made a conscious decision to swap patriotic blah blah blah for a fair amount of deutsche marks. Simple. They gave their children an easier start, got jobs, often social housing as well. Is that what you call abuse?
The "we didn´t get visas abolished because we´re Muslims" slogan is tiresome. The USA hasn´t abolished visas for Poles athough it did so for The Czech Republic because of what? Are we too Muslim for them? It´s nonsense.
As for Turkey becoming a world power (I mean a generally recognised world power, not the world power Turks only consider themselves), you´ve got my best wishes. If it comes true, that´s great. You´ll be happy and wealthy and then you´ll get flooded with evil westerners looking for jobs
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:44 am |
last night i watched a documentary about illegal immigrants in uk. a sad thing to watch. desperate people hiding in lorries. or the ones who work in hotels illegally. im really sorry for them.
a lady from moldova (pretending to be from lithuania) begged on her knees. and i cried with her.
i know what she had to pay to get to UK, i know what she has gone through. and then humiliations. such a shame their own countries (including mine) make people immigrate.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:47 am |
What do I know about immigration? Well, first of all I am an immigrant myself so I suppose I have an idea. What you wrote basically agrees with my point - nobody FORCED people to immigrate, they did it because their homeland didn´t give them the same opportunities. So, they made a conscious decision to swap patriotic blah blah blah for a fair amount of deutsche marks. Simple. They gave their children an easier start, got jobs, often social housing as well. Is that what you call abuse?
The "we didn´t get visas abolished because we´re Muslims" slogan is tiresome. The USA hasn´t abolished visas for Poles athough it did so for The Czech Republic because of what? Are we too Muslim for them? It´s nonsense.
As for Turkey becoming a world power (I mean a generally recognised world power, not the world power Turks only consider themselves), you´ve got my best wishes. If it comes true, that´s great. You´ll be happy and wealthy and then you´ll get flooded with evil westerners looking for jobs
thank you for another excellent post.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:47 am |
What do I know about immigration? Well, first of all I am an immigrant myself so I suppose I have an idea. What you wrote basically agrees with my point - nobody FORCED people to immigrate, they did it because their homeland didn´t give them the same opportunities. So, they made a conscious decision to swap patriotic blah blah blah for a fair amount of deutsche marks. Simple. They gave their children an easier start, got jobs, often social housing as well. Is that what you call abuse?
The "we didn´t get visas abolished because we´re Muslims" slogan is tiresome. The USA hasn´t abolished visas for Poles athough it did so for The Czech Republic because of what? Are we too Muslim for them? It´s nonsense.
As for Turkey becoming a world power (I mean a generally recognised world power, not the world power Turks only consider themselves), you´ve got my best wishes. If it comes true, that´s great. You´ll be happy and wealthy and then you´ll get flooded with evil westerners looking for jobs
Some ppl moved for to earn more, they accepted to be an immigrant, what about their chidren who was born there? lets look other thread about norway (turkish family who asked for ambulance)
We are talking about European Union, not another continent, Thank to your god that u can travel most of the world easily. It is not a slogan, it is a reality that you do not wanna see canım. you or anyone else can not explain me how did serbia got this right and bosna could not.
For becoming a world power, Turkey has not an aim like this. maybe we will have same economical standarts, it is enough for us. we are used to live and be happy with these conditions. we dont want more as you wanted to travel USA without any obstacle.
I do not think poland got better with EU membership şekerim.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:49 am |
I havent heard anyone who escaped from turkey due to army-duty, but mostly being involved in terrorist actions. there are some organisations which help such ppl to escape and work for their group and pay to them. Going a country is not easy unless some ppl help you. that why they work in such places.
If I worked for to make the system better, I would first finish membership actions with europe and look on my way
Well, I happen to know people who escaped Turkey for army duty. There are certain areas in which the illegals are heavily represented. Most of them have problems with their identity as Turkish Kurd, and the army duty. It doesn´t need a lot of work to escape Turkey, if you are willing to bribe some people to get a university registration.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:56 am |
strange thing, scandinavian countries accepted and embraced so many eastern, middle asian, african immigrants, sheltered them, employed them, and now their generation 2nd or 3rd still doesnt speak the language of the given country. they cant communicate themselves which they blame nazi scandinavians for.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 01:59 am |
Well, I happen to know people who escaped Turkey for army duty. There are certain areas in which the illegals are heavily represented. Most of them have problems with their identity as Turkish Kurd, and the army duty. It doesn´t need a lot of work to escape Turkey, if you are willing to bribe some people to get a university registration.
turks dont escape army. its an honor to serve a country dont be silly.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:03 am |
Well, I happen to know people who escaped Turkey for army duty. There are certain areas in which the illegals are heavily represented. Most of them have problems with their identity as Turkish Kurd, and the army duty. It doesn´t need a lot of work to escape Turkey, if you are willing to bribe some people to get a university registration.
The easiest way to get permission for living in a country is political asylum, and they use kurdish card and PKK terrorism. University registration is not free no one gives you money to registre a university. most of the community organisations work for to help terrorists. and it was proved that terrorist groups are mostly supported from Europe (From these organisations), they send money or help terrorists to escape europe.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:12 am |
turks dont escape army. its an honor to serve a country dont be silly.
It is very nice to have you here exclusively on Turkishclass...
At least, the rest of our lives is still in peace.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:19 am |
Turkey is in the middle of most important energy sources, and one of the biggest economy and one of the the fast growing economy in the region. I dont know if europe has a big energy source for long term?
Fast growing economy? with millions of unemployed people. How is it possible? I agree Turkey has got many resources but all gifted to foreign enterprices or cannot be used. Nothing left to be sold but Turkey´s debt reached to a record.
The "we didn´t get visas abolished because we´re Muslims" slogan is tiresome. The USA hasn´t abolished visas for Poles athough it did so for The Czech Republic because of what? Are we too Muslim for them? It´s nonsense.
Your example is irrelevant, do you have another example rather than this? Why did EU remove visa for Serbia since they just applied for EU membership but not for Bosnia, Albania & Kosova?
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:23 am |
and turkeys economy depends on western visitors.
Not true of course, i bet it will be better if we dont accept foreign tourists ...
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:28 am |
The easiest way to get permission for living in a country is political asylum, and they use kurdish card and PKK terrorism. University registration is not free no one gives you money to registre a university. most of the community organisations work for to help terrorists. and it was proved that terrorist groups are mostly supported from Europe (From these organisations), they send money or help terrorists to escape europe.
Exactly, and the ones who escape from army are mostly the Kurds and now with new trend rich green money holders as they are on same boat...
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:53 am |
Your example is irrelevant, do you have another example rather than this? Why did EU remove visa for Serbia since they just applied for EU membership but not for Bosnia, Albania & Kosova?
Yeap - how about Russia not being granted visa-free travel in the EU? To my best knowledge they aren´t predominantly Muslim either...
As for Kosovo - that´s a huge L O L from me. The land thieves are beginning to bang their heads against the wall, now they regret stealing Serbian territory. And, as some EU countries (unfortunately excluding my own) have not recognised it as a country, there´s no way they´ll ever get EU visas.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:55 am |
The easiest way to get permission for living in a country is political asylum, and they use kurdish card and PKK terrorism. University registration is not free no one gives you money to registre a university. most of the community organisations work for to help terrorists. and it was proved that terrorist groups are mostly supported from Europe (From these organisations), they send money or help terrorists to escape europe.
Oh so now it´s the terrorists who left Turkey? Whatever happened to the poor Turks the German government reached out its greedy palms for? Please make up your mind
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 03:02 am |
It is very nice to have you here exclusively on Turkishclass...
At least, the rest of our lives is still in peace.
always at your service, vineyardsbey!
world peace to you!
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 03:21 am |
Yeap - how about Russia not being granted visa-free travel in the EU? To my best knowledge they aren´t predominantly Muslim either...
As far as i know Russia has not applied for EU membership, i think they have no interest to be a member
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 03:34 am |
As far as i know Russia has not applied for EU membership, i think they have no interest to be a member
Sure not, they´re not even likely to apply - what´s the point It was just an example of non-Muslim European country that needs visas to enter EU
Out for those who applied - Serbia, Macedonia nad Montenegro got visa free entry and Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo didn´t - the reason given was not coming up to EU standards in therm of border control for example, but I also read they might be given visa-free passes this year (not Kosovo of course ).
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 03:50 am |
Sure not, they´re not even likely to apply - what´s the point It was just an example of non-Muslim European country that needs visas to enter EU
Out for those who applied - Serbia, Macedonia nad Montenegro got visa free entry and Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo didn´t - the reason given was not coming up to EU standards in therm of border control for example, but I also read they might be given visa-free passes this year (not Kosovo of course ).
The point is i thought we are talking about countries that are applied for membership
claiming that they are part of EU, not the countries that are not insterested. You can also give China as an example of non-muslim country that needs visa to enter EU countries . And we are talking about EU´s discrimination and hypocracy over some countries, understood?
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 04:24 am |
we are talking about EU´s discrimination and hypocracy over some countries, understood?
Sir, yes, sir!
But I still believe EU had its reasons not to do away with visas for these countries (and a mockery of a country)
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 10:58 am |
Well, I happen to know people who escaped Turkey for army duty. There are certain areas in which the illegals are heavily represented. Most of them have problems with their identity as Turkish Kurd, and the army duty. It doesn´t need a lot of work to escape Turkey, if you are willing to bribe some people to get a university registration.
I know such people too. And no, they´re not Kurdish.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 11:02 am |
Sir, yes, sir!
But I still believe EU had its reasons not to do away with visas for these countries (and a mockery of a country)
sorry, if i sounded harsh...
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 11:37 am |
I know such people too. And no, they´re not Kurdish.
There are conscientious objectors in every country. There are also those who are just afraid and those who consider the whole thing a waste of time.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 12:15 pm |
Fast growing economy? with millions of unemployed people. How is it possible? I agree Turkey has got many resources but all gifted to foreign enterprices or cannot be used. Nothing left to be sold but Turkey´s debt reached to a record.
I am comparing here, turkey and EU economies, do you think there are not unemployed people in EU even in France, Germany, Spain, Greece. what about poland, Slovakia or romania?
they are not better than turkey, even our goverment has sold many resources to foreigners.
EU has lost its charm and attractiveness, and they dont have anything to give turkey maybe they can get many things from Turkey.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:07 pm |
The easiest way to get permission for living in a country is political asylum, and they use kurdish card and PKK terrorism. University registration is not free no one gives you money to registre a university. most of the community organisations work for to help terrorists. and it was proved that terrorist groups are mostly supported from Europe (From these organisations), they send money or help terrorists to escape europe.
PKK is a forbidden organization in Holland. You can not get asylum in Holland for being a Turkish Kurd, and if you say "Hi, I´m with the PKK" they will put your behind in jail. Only if the Turkish government would try to silence you by putting you into jail, when you are NOT a member of an illegal organization and have done nothing wrong, then you could get asylum.
What I ment with bribing is this. Let´s say you´re an uneducated guy, wanted to flee Turkey. You make sure you have a buddy in the registration office of the university. He makes some false papers (for a bunch of money) and wham, you can go to the Dutch embassy, with ´proof´ that you are a student. I didn´t say anybody gives the student money to register. I just said that you can bribe people to give you student papers, even when you are not a student.
I personally know of a Kurdish guy who did this, and got his visa papers very easily with some falls papers. So THERE!
And I know that not all people who are dodging army duty are Kurds I´m just speaking of some personal experiences.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 03:41 pm |
I am comparing here, turkey and EU economies, do you think there are not unemployed people in EU even in France, Germany, Spain, Greece. what about poland, Slovakia or romania?
they are not better than turkey, even our goverment has sold many resources to foreigners.
EU has lost its charm and attractiveness, and they dont have anything to give turkey maybe they can get many things from Turkey.
Hmm ok then, i was only talking about Turkey that interests me much, possibly i was sticked to the statement "fast growing economy" part just because i havent heard about healthy fast growing economy without production and fabrication rather than foreign money yet...
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 05:28 pm |
PKK is a forbidden organization in Holland. You can not get asylum in Holland for being a Turkish Kurd, and if you say "Hi, I´m with the PKK" they will put your behind in jail. Only if the Turkish government would try to silence you by putting you into jail, when you are NOT a member of an illegal organization and have done nothing wrong, then you could get asylum.
What I ment with bribing is this. Let´s say you´re an uneducated guy, wanted to flee Turkey. You make sure you have a buddy in the registration office of the university. He makes some false papers (for a bunch of money) and wham, you can go to the Dutch embassy, with ´proof´ that you are a student. I didn´t say anybody gives the student money to register. I just said that you can bribe people to give you student papers, even when you are not a student.
I personally know of a Kurdish guy who did this, and got his visa papers very easily with some falls papers. So THERE!
And I know that not all people who are dodging army duty are Kurds I´m just speaking of some personal experiences.
of course PKK is forbidden, but on paper, they do their work with different names. Most of the kurdish organisations are supporting terrorism in europe. you can see what they work for in your country when terrorist leader in jail had "flu" or "fever".
you are generalizing individual events. you can not make a conclusion, if one person got visa with illegal papers, there are thousands of illegal immigrants, do they all prepared fake papers. if it would so, they would understand that these universities dont have too many turkish students, it would take attention.
if you are turkish citizen you have to do army duty, even if you live in europe. if you work in a foreign country at least 2 years you got a right that u do army duty only 1 month. or in turkey if you are student in a university u can delay ur army-duty for long times. they dont take anyone to army immediately. I havent heard anyone who wanted to escape europe coz of army duty. Ppl just want to go europe for earning much more money, and come back when they had enough money.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 05:31 pm |
Hmm ok then, i was only talking about Turkey that interests me much, possibly i was sticked to the statement "fast growing economy" part just because i havent heard about healthy fast growing economy without production and fabrication rather than foreign money yet...
today, Europe is not better than Turkey. fast growing but faster than some countries. I didnt say turkey will be a super power like USA, as Daydreamer said. she is just a dDREAMER
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 05:52 pm |
of course PKK is forbidden, but on paper, they do their work with different names. Most of the kurdish organisations are supporting terrorism in europe. you can see what they work for in your country when terrorist leader in jail had "flu" or "fever".
you are generalizing individual events. you can not make a conclusion, if one person got visa with illegal papers, there are thousands of illegal immigrants, do they all prepared fake papers. if it would so, they would understand that these universities dont have too many turkish students, it would take attention.
if you are turkish citizen you have to do army duty, even if you live in europe. if you work in a foreign country at least 2 years you got a right that u do army duty only 1 month. or in turkey if you are student in a university u can delay ur army-duty for long times. they dont take anyone to army immediately. I havent heard anyone who wanted to escape europe coz of army duty. Ppl just want to go europe for earning much more money, and come back when they had enough money.
I´m not talking only about universitiets. I´m using it as an example. A lot of papers are fake in Turkey. And you are telling long stories about none of your personal experiences. I know so many people who escaped for army duty, is this a simple coincidence?
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 05:59 pm |
I´m not talking only about universitiets. I´m using it as an example. A lot of papers are fake in Turkey. And you are telling long stories about none of your personal experiences. I know so many people who escaped for army duty, is this a simple coincidence?
I dont know how many experiences you had but I live in turkey and have many turkish friends who live in europe. I havent heard even one example as u mentioned. if you count all turkish students in your country came there due to army duty in turkey, it is again a generalization.
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 06:07 pm |
sorry, if i sounded harsh...
Not at all, I just thought it´d be funny
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17 Jan 2010 Sun 06:09 pm |
No, not the students...pfff... I am saying that SOME people who are NOT REALLY students, bribe somebody to get university papers.... there are also people who get fake passports, fake all kinds of stuff I´m not saying that most people in Holland are illegal. Most of them are not, and most of the legal Turkish people here have good jobs.
I was saying that the Turkish people in Holland with dead-end jobs are often illegals. That´s how I came to this example. There was some kind of comment that ´Europe´ only wants people to come for dead-end jobs.
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18 Jan 2010 Mon 12:20 am |
I will use this thread to ask the question how Turkish people perceive EU.During my last stay in Turkey I had a chance to meet some important officials,majors of towns or heads of educational authorities not to mention some governors.Most of those I met were fascinated with EU and during our talks they brought an issue that i want to repeat here asking for your own opinions.They were saying that they are told about benefits of joining and just of EU.They seemed a bit surprised when I was giving explanation that EU is corrupted,full of bribery and injustice.And that still getting a decent post there means family bounds and pulling the strings.
I asked them why they grew such fascination and they told me they believe EU access would solve many problems as they were told.By whom???Is it general tendency?or just a dream picture painted by EU supporters?
thank you for answers
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18 Jan 2010 Mon 01:22 am |
Turkey´s EU adventure began decades ago back in the 63 after Turkey signed an agreement. Since then there have always been unkept promises, lots of rescheduling, protests over broken promises etc. Some people in this country, especially the illimunated realize that the EU is nothing more than a device used by governments to make radical changes which would otherwise be a lot more difficult to achieve.
If everything proceeded according to the plan, Turkey would have become a member a long time ago. Unfortunately, none of this has ever been materialized. Turkey protested the fact that even former iron curtain countries which had no place in the initial plan have been generously offered European membership.
On the part of the European countries, EU membership is a tool for helping create an easier to control Turkey, and on the part of Turkish politicians it is a device for materializing their political desires. For example, Ak parti, played the EU card to open up a so called democratic window in the status quo driven political conjunture which they used to legalize their not-so-democratic ideals and to find a place for them in jurisdiction, justice and execution. They have realized all their objectives under the pretext of achieving compliance with the EU norms.
The entire history of Turkey-EU relationship is based on hypocrisy. After years of struggling all that Turkey has so far achieved is customs union which is more beneficial for Europe than it is for Turkey.
Turkey has now better options than the EU.
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18 Jan 2010 Mon 01:33 am |
i still don´t understand why so many people think EU is smth good... we have here (in estonia) 66,6% of total sheep as citizens and that´s why we are in EU now...but those 33,3% with brains still think it´s not good...we "gained" laws and orders as in EU and freedom as in common jail...and now they say in 2011 we will have euro as money here...again - not good...we will have taxes as big as in EU and salaries as little as in estonia...so why so many people still think EU is smth good...? EU is real sh**...
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18 Jan 2010 Mon 03:55 am |
VISA ISSUE and MORE
As far as I know visa problems depend on national country policies and dlplomatic solutions.
It is duty of states.
I think that safety should always come first...the country/government should protect its people. I think TLC member friends are right what they said on this topic.
EU (European Union) of course is an important community.
As you know well the earth is becoming a global world.
China and India are now bocoming new super powers with the GNP (Gross National Product) - Economic growth - increase (% 8 a year) after USA in the world according to the World Bank and IMF publishments.
There are a big size socio-economic competition in the world.
There is a newly globalization phenomenon on the world.High technology, community culture, values, social structures, micro- economic equilibriums and macro-economic equilibriums are changing very fastly.
Some people say “Some European countries are against Türkiye and its membership.”This is a politic opinion.
But this is not a fact, an important issue, a rational approach. Türkiye has already joined EU in the past.A lot of Turkish families are living in EU.
And everybody knows this historic fact.Türkiye is between the safetiest countries.
I see a lot of people from Asia and Africa are living with their families in the European countries, Australia, USA and Asia.
I see a lot of Turkish people are living with their families in the European countries like Germany, England, Austria, France, Holland, Switzerland, etc.
Turkish companies are working in Asia, Europe, Australia, Africa and Asia.
There are a large number of immigrants in the world countries.
Many people from England, Germany, Holland, Russia, Greece, etc are buying their houses in Türkiye.They are having companies in Türkiye.
Turkish tourists are travelling all over the world.
A lot of tourists from USA, Canada, UK, France, Spain, Italy, Japan, etc are going to Türkiye.Also the biggest tourist - travel ships.
Many Turkish students are studying at USA, Europe, Asia, etc .
Australia is a newly developing continent.
Latin America is a fastly developing continent.
But as you know well unemployment issue with an unemployment ratio of % 15-20 is a big social problem in the countries.
I see many TLC Turkish members are living with their families in Canada, USA, UK, France, Holland, abroad.
I see many TLC foreign members are living in Türkiye with their families.
I see many TLC foreign members are traveling to Türkiye every time and living in Türkiye with their friends.
There is no ethnic – ethnical approach in the world countries anymore…
I think visa issues will be solved against the illegality and negativeness mutually and legally in a way in the light of country security for every country in a short time by EU.
I think visa issues will shape as required mutually in a positive legal model in the light of globalization and national policies everywhere.
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18 Jan 2010 Mon 10:26 am |
I will use this thread to ask the question how Turkish people perceive EU.During my last stay in Turkey I had a chance to meet some important officials,majors of towns or heads of educational authorities not to mention some governors.Most of those I met were fascinated with EU and during our talks they brought an issue that i want to repeat here asking for your own opinions.They were saying that they are told about benefits of joining and just of EU.They seemed a bit surprised when I was giving explanation that EU is corrupted,full of bribery and injustice.And that still getting a decent post there means family bounds and pulling the strings.
I asked them why they grew such fascination and they told me they believe EU access would solve many problems as they were told.By whom???Is it general tendency?or just a dream picture painted by EU supporters?
thank you for answers
Politicians in Turkey, trying to impose EU membership story as a way of economical progress, but almost all intellectuals and most of the public do not believe those things. neither European union nor politicians, even politicians know that membership is not possible.
European countries are against Turkey´s membership, not only german or France. if every country did a referandum about Turkey´s membership, it would be very clear, Im sure that we would get same results from every european union countries like France and Germany.
The most important question is why Turkey is still a candidate. whey they accepted Turkey as a candidate, even though most important autorities say that Turkey can not be a normal member like Greece, France, Austria etc., but maybe a specieal member.
Actually, EU is not governt by democracy, Coz decision makers are different. EU has own politics and Turkey is one part of this.
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21 Feb 2010 Sun 10:25 am |
There are direct flights to Croatia from Turkey, and no need for a transit visa. however, once Croatia joins the EU, one other country will be closed to Turkish nationals.
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21 Feb 2010 Sun 10:45 am |
i still don´t understand why so many people think EU is smth good... we have here (in estonia) 66,6% of total sheep as citizens and that´s why we are in EU now...but those 33,3% with brains still think it´s not good...we "gained" laws and orders as in EU and freedom as in common jail...and now they say in 2011 we will have euro as money here...again - not good...we will have taxes as big as in EU and salaries as little as in estonia...so why so many people still think EU is smth good...? EU is real sh**...
Most of my Turkish friends have similar issues with EU membership, and are against EU membership.
However i think humanitarian concerns are important as well. I have been looking after a young Turkish man with Asperger´s ( a type of autism), who has had a horrendous experience in his country. He is very fragile, both mentally and physically, but highly intelligent. In the EU he could perhaps survive and succeed as a student, because of the higher awareness of mental health issues. But in Turkey, without any money or support, his condition is a slow and agonizing death sentence.
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21 Feb 2010 Sun 11:20 am |
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26 Sep 2017 Tue 12:30 pm |
Re: which countries don´t you need visa for
Another way of saying it is: the countries Turk´s least want to travel to or work in.
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11 Oct 2017 Wed 01:06 pm |
No visa needed if you jump out of the ship and swim.
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