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Religion....
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 09:00 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting femme_fatal: btw, what allah has prepared for women in the jannah? |
a more comfortable harem. |
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 09:06 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting femme_fatal: btw, what allah has prepared for women in the jannah? |
a more comfortable harem. |
Also, only one dude for 72 of them... that means less work... and that means they can strangle and kill the guy easier... 
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 09:56 pm |
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Back in the 80's, I was representing an American publication and had a guest from Saudi Arabia. I took him to a nice bar in the center of Taksim (Etap Marmara), and we began discussing Turkey, Islam. He said Turkey was going through all these economic problems because Turks had betrayed Islam. The guy was holding a glass of whiskey on the rocks and cursing Ataturk and his reforms. Of course, he wanted me to help him arrange a woman for that night. Now, if this is not takiyye or whatever it is a tell tale sign of how immature these medieval people are.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 09:58 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Back in the 80's, I was representing an American publication and had a guest from Saudi Arabia. I took him to a nice bar in the center of Taksim (Etap Marmara), and we began discussing Turkey, Islam. He said Turkey was going through all these economic problems becuase Turks betrayed Islam. The guy was holding a glass of whiskey on the rocks and cursing Ataturk and his reforms. Of course, he wanted me to help him arrange a woman for that night. Now, this is not takiyye or whatever it is but a tell tale sign of how immature these medieval people are.
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You're so right.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 10:29 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Back in the 80's, I was representing an American publication and had a guest from Saudi Arabia. I took him to a nice bar in the center of Taksim (Etap Marmara), and we began discussing Turkey, Islam. He said Turkey was going through all these economic problems because Turks had betrayed Islam. The guy was holding a glass of whiskey on the rocks and cursing Ataturk and his reforms. Of course, he wanted me to help him arrange a woman for that night. Now, if this is not takiyye or whatever it is a tell tale sign of how immature these medieval people are.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 10:33 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Back in the 80's, I was representing an American publication and had a guest from Saudi Arabia. I took him to a nice bar in the center of Taksim (Etap Marmara), and we began discussing Turkey, Islam. He said Turkey was going through all these economic problems because Turks had betrayed Islam. The guy was holding a glass of whiskey on the rocks and cursing Ataturk and his reforms. Of course, he wanted me to help him arrange a woman for that night. Now, if this is not takiyye or whatever it is a tell tale sign of how immature these medieval people are. |
Yep! Completely agree with you! It must be the third time now!  
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 02:04 am |
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Quoting vineyards: Pointing out to translation problems Aenigma asks why Quran can't be properly translated and why even Arabs misunderstand it: Arabic is full of equivocal words which produce immensely different meanings in different contexts.
This aspect of the Arabic language is somewhat in line with how Arabs generally are.
To make things more complicated, The Quran was written in Phasih Arabic, almost a separate language not spoken by the masses but vaguely understood.
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İ some how agree with that part,there would be some phrases need better explaination from İmam 'who is like a teacher of İslam whom studied arabic language as well'
But Fos'ha or formal arabic was the language spoken nowadays,so it was well understood by them,and it should be the language which we speak too as arabic speakers countries,but unfortunately we dont use in in our daily life thats why sometimes we 'as arabic speakers' need explanation for some words.
But as you see,there is Kur'an with explanation,signed from El-Azhar and as you know it is the ,oldest,biggest and largest İslamic Uni,and there is a committee of big,trusted,and well educated İmamlar to accept those explanations before authorise publishing to puplic ,so actually we dont trust any book,or anything related to religion without having good refrences.
As anyone can write anything and say it is in İslam,as it happen,and cause lots of problems and misunderstanding
so actually only people who cant read,or who are lazy to read tend to ask imamlar in persons about Kur'an meanings,but even tho İmamlar are there and will answer them,so nothing would cause misunderstanding if they seek the right source,and for that,its their own responsibility.
Quoting vineyards:
Add to that the fact that, The Qoran was first memorized by certain individuals the credibility of whom was said to be determined by a board of scholars. Some of the verses were eliminated and some were included, the wording depended on how well those people memorized the verses and it did not happen in prophet's life time nor did it happen before some 40-50 years. The Quran was first hand written on gazelle hide and sealed.
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Yes it hasnt been collected as it is now in Muhamed SAV time,but it's been written on his time ,as he ordered it from people arround him to write it down as they heared it from him
it has been collected from them after he SAV died ,and that is a big difference
So,im afraid what you are stating above is out of the question!
Quoting vineyards:
In addition to all this, there is a principle in the Islamic Faith called Taqiyye which means if your life is at stake, or if you think you are serving a good purpose such as the spreading of your faith then you are free to tell lies.
No one knows, what is true from an Islamic point of view (turban included) whether it is a taquiyye, translation problem or lack of IQ to properly understand it. |
İ dont know about that princible,but actually telling lies is HARAM forbidden in İslam by all means,except in some cases
Like when Muslim has been captured by his enemy in a war or something and they want information from him,and his life in danger if not telling so he can lie about it,or if he is threatened for being a muslim by people 'as happened in history' he is allowed to hide his faith and lie about it,if telling a thief lies to protect himself and family
Or,when a wife for example asks her husband if she looks wonderful,and he thinks she is away beyond it,he is allowed to lie about it
And as you see,that is logic,and if not doing so,that would be beyond it
BUT...to spread our faith by telling lies ?!
No ,never been allowed ,its still lies,and its forbbiden,actually,and its silly to do so too,because people who will become Muslims will discover the truth,so how come would such thing be allowed?
The other way arround,we MUST seek accuracy when talking about our religion,so we wont bear the burden of someone understood something wrong from something we've said.
So actually everything is clear in İslam 'even Turban' for people who want to know about it,and for those who doesnt want to know,they hide beyond such excuses.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 02:17 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Now I am a bit confused qdemir.
previously you wrote that :
"Every thing is distinctly stated in the Koran. Nobody is allowed, or licensed to state otherwise."
I assumed that takkiye is in Koran itself.
The event you are mentioning, thinking about the time scale, happened after Islam's creation. I mean Kuran was already there and Mohammad was the prophet. (Because his friend was a believer-believing in Islam- had been tortured by non-believers etc)
If takkiye is in Kuran, are you suggesting that 'that incident' had happened and God sent that a new verse because of that event?
Or takkiye is not in Kuran itself?
ps..I am really trying to understand the timescale of it..I am not trying insinuate anything. |
İ dont know what do you mean exactly with ''takkiye''
İs it when people lie to protect their lives when being threatened for their religions?
when i understand the meaning 'maybe we call it something else',i can answer if i know
İ thought you were Muslim handsom...
Anyway,Kur'an has been sent from ALLAH during the time Rasul SAV were inviting people to İslam,
İt was interfeering with people's lives on that time
So,when you read when the Ayat has been sent,you will find many Ayat had stories of people who done this or that,and they didnt know the right thing so ALLAH answered them
So,as qdemir said,AMMAR had to say he is Kafir so they stop tourturing him 'they used to beary Muslims in sand,and only their head is visible,or tie each one of their hands in a robe,and pulling it different ways by horses till they become apart,...ect'so we are talking about really none human things
So,when he said that,he was crying sad,he is Muslim in his heart,but his tongue said he is not,so ALLAH sent that ayat on that time to calm his heart and people like him,not to worry they still muslims,and in cases like this they are allowed to lie to protect their lives and they are still Muslims as long as they are really Muslims in their hearts.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 02:20 am |
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Quoting femme_fatal: btw, what allah has prepared for women in the jannah? |
Whatever we wish for.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 02:21 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting femme_fatal: btw, what allah has prepared for women in the jannah? |
a more comfortable harem. |
ALLAH told you that ?!
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 02:33 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting femme_fatal: btw, what allah has prepared for women in the jannah? |
Whatever we wish for. |
Allah told you that!?
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