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05 Feb 2008 Tue 07:41 am |
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Quoting CANLI: And who asked them to be with that man ?lol
Beside women will have what they ask for too 
Well,and i didnt speak to anyone there too,i didnt see ALLAH,but i believe HE is there
So im curious isnt it written in the Bible ?! |
I actually don't know what's written in the Bible about this, I guess it just says "paradise", you go interpret that. 
I guess the 72 virgins will probably have to be blow-up dolls, as no woman would actually "wish" to be a prostitute in heaven. :-S
There's a joke about that: A guy goes to an imam and asks "will women also have 72 male virgins in heaven?" and the imam says "yes, if they are good muslims, they will". The guy goes home and sees his wife praying... goes to her and says "I know why you're praying, you want to go to heaven to have sex with other men!" 
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 10:04 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting thehandsom:
ps..I am really trying to understand the timescale of it..I am not trying insinuate anything. |
İ dont know what do you mean exactly with ''takkiye''
İs it when people lie to protect their lives when being threatened for their religions?
when i understand the meaning 'maybe we call it something else',i can answer if i know
İ thought you were Muslim handsom...
Anyway,Kur'an has been sent from ALLAH during the time Rasul SAV were inviting people to İslam,
İt was interfeering with people's lives on that time
So,when you read when the Ayat has been sent,you will find many Ayat had stories of people who done this or that,and they didnt know the right thing so ALLAH answered them
So,as qdemir said,AMMAR had to say he is Kafir so they stop tourturing him 'they used to beary Muslims in sand,and only their head is visible,or tie each one of their hands in a robe,and pulling it different ways by horses till they become apart,...ect'so we are talking about really none human things
So,when he said that,he was crying sad,he is Muslim in his heart,but his tongue said he is not,so ALLAH sent that ayat on that time to calm his heart and people like him,not to worry they still muslims,and in cases like this they are allowed to lie to protect their lives and they are still Muslims as long as they are really Muslims in their hearts. |
Now what you are saying above is quite interesting and it will fuel the speculations about how everything was sent down to the earth in the first place.
Because Allah, who knows the past and the future, decided to send his ayats by looking at particular situations, particular events before sending them.
Then the questions will come into everbody's mind 'why the creater of everything had to wait? did he not know that incident was going to happen? did he need to see those incidents before sending corresponding ayats?'
If you are going to answer above questions Canli, your answer should be NOT 'Allah knows better than us, we cant question why'.
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 10:45 am |
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Quoting qdemir: Quoting Daydreamer:
You know, I'm not God, but if I were, I'd hate my supporters to be free to reject me if only that's convenient for them. |
You should have quoted the following instance, too:
One of the companions of Hz Mohammed, Ammar and his parents were tortured by non-believers as he became a Muslim. He was forced to denial of his belief by torturing his father and mother heavily. His father and mother died of severe torture. As he was exposed to excruciating torture he said what he was asked for by non-believers. However, it was just a denial in words, but not one from the heart. Hz Mohammed told him if he was exposed to such a torture again he would say in the same way. |
So, what does it really change? You re-stated my point - you may lie about not being Muslim if it's inconvenient for you to be one.
Quoting qdemir: If your properties or money are under threat you are allowed to tell lies.
This is also called 'takiyye'
Nobody tells the truth when they are threatened by robbers. It wouldn't be wise just for sake of telling the truth.
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Actually, for people of great faith worrying about money should be the last reason for lying about their faith. Or is faith just to be exercised when you're perfectly safe?
And how does it correspond with killing infidels?
Thou art allowed to reject thy God should thy welfare be in danger, but thou shalt kill an infidel who lieth not about his faith.???
Sorry, that seems illogical to me...
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 10:46 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting CANLI: Quoting catwoman: I believe it's only Islam that gives people explicit directions about every area of their lives. |
You mean Christianity doesnt do so too ?!
İ guess it does with different ways or point of views
All religions do so,religions in a whole consist of rules people follow without mentioning the spiritual parts of course
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The evolution of the Christian faith follows a very interesting path. It emerges in Jerusalem, after Jesus was killed by the Romans. Believers flee from Jerusalem due to excessive oppression they were subjected to. They come to Cappadocia to build their "underground" churches. As iconography was banned by the Romans they live as a secresive community. In the process, it is very likely that they lose some of their original identity being forced to live in a foreign land under the rule of the Hittites and then Romans again. They get exposed to the Byzantium later on and at that poin their belief was rationalized in line with the Western norms. There is also a talk about a Frenchman visiting Anatolia some 150 years after the death of Jesus, he then takes this faith to Western Europe.
Summarily;
* Current Christian faith is a Europanized version of Jesus' teachings.
* At the time of the first Christian Council in Nicae (Iznik), Christians had not reached a consensus about whether Jesus was God or not. (Still unsettled). Although meant for uniting churches, the first council was indeed the beginning of the politization of the Christian faith. Hence all current sects were political deviations essentially. The first council was held under the auspices of a King for the first time. As a result those who did not believe Jesus was God formed the Orthodox sect.
* The entire array of Christian images including those of Jesus, Mary, Santa Claus etc are mere Western fantasies. Their real identities are Middle Eastern, their names are mistranslated and converted into European images. That is why when you think of Santa Claus you think about a Scandinavian figure from (say) Norway. In fact, he was a Greek bishop called Niko of Demre. Mother Mary is usually depicted as a Greek goddess.
* Las but not least, it would be very difficult for Christians to question the validity of their belief because indeed, that belief has organically been formed by themselves. The punchline is Christianism is a product of the European culture -period-
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 10:53 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Daydreamer: Oh, by the way, I'm not defending or promoting Catholicism, I'm an atheist so I'm gonna burn in hell anyway... |
Hehehe you can join me, thehandsom, and 99.9% of women then (plus raki) ....  
I think thehandsom will be too busy to talk to US though |
Statistically, the life-span of women in Europe is somewhat about 70 so in 40 something years the hell shall rock!! 
Quoting femme_fatal:
with 99.9% of women?
goodness! are you really gonna enjoy such hell of women?
i prefer 99% of men.
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This way or another we're screwed...we'll either go to heaven where we'll have our hymen grow back and be hookers for the faithful-faith-fighters-who-can-lie-about-it, or go to hell where we'll get 0.1% men and will have to be a harem for them
:-S
That's a great perspective, huh?
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 10:56 am |
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Or, perhaps, condemned women will make those prostitutes for good Muslims and that will be those women's hell. Good Muslim women will then...bake, cook and clean as this is women's greatest passion?
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 11:51 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting CANLI: And who asked them to be with that man ?lol
Beside women will have what they ask for too
Well,and i didnt speak to anyone there too,i didnt see ALLAH,but i believe HE is there
So im curious isnt it written in the Bible ?! |
I actually don't know what's written in the Bible about this, I guess it just says "paradise", you go interpret that.
I guess the 72 virgins will probably have to be blow-up dolls, as no woman would actually "wish" to be a prostitute in heaven. :-S
There's a joke about that: A guy goes to an imam and asks "will women also have 72 male virgins in heaven?" and the imam says "yes, if they are good muslims, they will". The guy goes home and sees his wife praying... goes to her and says "I know why you're praying, you want to go to heaven to have sex with other men!" |
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:15 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting catwoman: Quoting CANLI: And who asked them to be with that man ?lol
Beside women will have what they ask for too
Well,and i didnt speak to anyone there too,i didnt see ALLAH,but i believe HE is there
So im curious isnt it written in the Bible ?! |
I actually don't know what's written in the Bible about this, I guess it just says "paradise", you go interpret that.
I guess the 72 virgins will probably have to be blow-up dolls, as no woman would actually "wish" to be a prostitute in heaven. :-S
There's a joke about that: A guy goes to an imam and asks "will women also have 72 male virgins in heaven?" and the imam says "yes, if they are good muslims, they will". The guy goes home and sees his wife praying... goes to her and says "I know why you're praying, you want to go to heaven to have sex with other men!" |
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I think catwoman was quite logical mrx67.
Do you really believe virgins are waiting for you in heaven?
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:22 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting MrX67: Quoting catwoman: Quoting CANLI: And who asked them to be with that man ?lol
Beside women will have what they ask for too
Well,and i didnt speak to anyone there too,i didnt see ALLAH,but i believe HE is there
So im curious isnt it written in the Bible ?! |
I actually don't know what's written in the Bible about this, I guess it just says "paradise", you go interpret that.
I guess the 72 virgins will probably have to be blow-up dolls, as no woman would actually "wish" to be a prostitute in heaven. :-S
There's a joke about that: A guy goes to an imam and asks "will women also have 72 male virgins in heaven?" and the imam says "yes, if they are good muslims, they will". The guy goes home and sees his wife praying... goes to her and says "I know why you're praying, you want to go to heaven to have sex with other men!" |
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I think catwoman was quite logical mrx67.
Do you really believe virgins are waiting for you in heaven? |
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:35 pm |
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conclusion is mohammed promised everything in his paradise to attract a bunch of wild horny men from deserts.
- virgins
- wine
- water
- fruits
who are those virgins? are they human beings? are they virgins forever?
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05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:43 pm |
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to don't believe or interrogate sure a personal prefer and a freedom,but whats benefit to hurt others feelings who believeing em with their all innocence??
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