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A GOOD TEST OF INTEGRITY
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50.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 22 Dec 2007 Sat 07:56 am

Quoting turkodelight:

Quoting AlphaF:

Turgut Ozal was Kurdish, he eventually became the President.



Actually Turgut Ozal was a president with his turkish idendity. None of kurdish became president in turkey as their kurdish identity. he could become a president as he accepted being turkish idendity. nobody can say he was not kurdish ethnically, but his identity was turkish, there is a huge difference between these two situation.



Politics, on the basis of ethnical, racial, color, religious differences, is against Turkish Constitution. The State, within democracy, has every right to stop anyone who wants to become its President on such basis. Toppling a State, using the rights and priviledges offered by that State has been tried before. It generally backfires.

Despite considerable people of Irish origin in the States you can not become the US president with any Irish identity. Same in Turkia: no other identity but a Turkish one will get you that seat. The fact that Ozal did get the seat is proof that the concept of "Turkish identity" here is not used in ethnical sense.

51.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 22 Dec 2007 Sat 08:19 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting turkodelight:

Quoting AlphaF:

Turgut Ozal was Kurdish, he eventually became the President.



Actually Turgut Ozal was a president with his turkish idendity. None of kurdish became president in turkey as their kurdish identity. he could become a president as he accepted being turkish idendity. nobody can say he was not kurdish ethnically, but his identity was turkish, there is a huge difference between these two situation.


It must be an issue of the well known here betaF's lack of integrity problem.



Sick minds, with no ideas to express, will only insult.
LAKOTA Proverb

52.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 22 Dec 2007 Sat 08:35 am

Native American reservations in USA
Is this not a disgrace?
Anyone have the map of reservations for those with German or Irish ancestry?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Bia-map-indian-reservations-usa.pngscrace?

53.       catwoman
8933 posts
 22 Dec 2007 Sat 04:00 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

Sick minds, with no ideas to express, will only insult. LAKOTA Proverb


Hahahah, who gave you this proverb?

54.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 22 Dec 2007 Sat 04:07 pm

It is really sad that the discussion about a sensible topic - the injustices to the Native Americans at the hands of Europeans - degrades into a series of ad hominem attacks on contributors to this site. Most US citizens find themselves unable to acknowledge the horrific genocide of the Native Americans and so, as seen here, they will distract the discussion into comparisons with other countries - instead of sticking to the topic. The simple fact is - given the huge resources of the USA - there has never been a remotely suitable program of reparations to the Native American population. Other nations that have admitted to their horrific humanitarian crimes set an example of true contrition by generous reparations, for example Germany to the Jews and Souther Africe to the Blacks. While neither of these examples is perfect, they are far and away more honest acknowledgement
of historical atrocity.

55.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 22 Dec 2007 Sat 04:57 pm

"At the beginning we had all the land and the buffalos. They only had whisky and their bibles.

They killed all the buffalos and took over our land. All we were left with was their bibles."

GIVE NATIVE AMERICANS BACK WHAT THEY RIGHTFULLY OWNED. THEY DO NOT WANT ANY MORE SERMONS.

56.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 22 Dec 2007 Sat 04:59 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

"At the beginning we had all the land and the buffalos. They only had whisky and their bibles.

They killed all the buffalos and took over our land. All we were left with was their bibles."

GIVE NATIVE AMERICANS BACK WHAT THEY RIGHTFULLY OWNED. THEY DO NOT WANT ANY MORE SERMONS.



They killed all the buffalos for fun.....

Men are so salak!

57.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 22 Dec 2007 Sat 05:30 pm

Right, so let's call for global justice - Americas (both of them) should belong to their native tribes, Jews should be made slaves to the restored Pharaohs..or should we go back even further? How far then? It's impossible to restore the world as it was before so it's pointless arguing which land is whose. Should Poland demand to regain the lands lost throughout history? Should Australians be forced out of Australia and give the Aborigines their land back?

58.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 23 Dec 2007 Sun 12:27 pm

You are pretty sharp, daydreamer...
You got the point...

59.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 23 Dec 2007 Sun 05:23 pm

alpha the monk has a complex of USA and the west!

60.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 05:21 pm

BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE
Beginning with the Sioux victory over General Custer at Little Big Horn, BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE intertwines the unique perspectives of three characters: Charles Eastman (Adam Beach), né Ohiyesa, a young, Dartmouth-educated, Sioux doctor held up as living proof of the alleged success of assimilation; Sitting Bull (August Schellenberg), the proud Lakota chief who refuses to submit to U.S. government policies designed to strip his people of their identity, their dignity and their sacred land - the gold-laden Black Hills of the Dakotas; and Senator Henry Dawes (Aidan Quinn), one of the architects of the government policy on Indian affairs.

While Eastman and patrician schoolteacher Elaine Goodale (Anna Paquin) work to improve life for the Sioux on the reservation, Senator Dawes lobbies President Grant (Thompson) for more humane treatment, opposing the bellicose stance of General William Tecumseh Sherman (Feore).

Hope rises for the Sioux in the form of the prophet Wovoka (Studi) and the Ghost Dance - a messianic movement that promises an end of their suffering under the white man.

This hope is all but obliterated after the killing of Sitting Bull and the massacre of hundreds of Lakota men, women and children by the 7th Cavalry at Wounded Knee Creek on Dec. 29, 1890.

Published in 1971, Dee Brown's book is one of the foremost works documenting the systematic subjugation of the American Indian during the latter half of the 19th century. It has sold nearly five million copies and has been translated into 17 languages.

From Brown's encyclopedic tome chronicling the fate of the Dakota, Ute, Cheyenne and other tribes, the film focuses on the events leading up to the massacre of the Sioux, which many consider one of the most grievous atrocities in United States history.

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