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sheria in the UK :)
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 12:08 am |
Quoting libralady: Quoting AEnigma III: Wonderful!
I love this guy. Some of our "English bedwetters" on this site could do with watching this.... |
Be interested to know who the "bedwetters" are!
But it seems to escape many peoples attention that the UK is a Christian nation (even an old demented Archibishop who reads the bible, breakfast, lunch and dinner oh and of course bedtime...........) and I am sure that if we went to Saudia Arabia and wanted to push our Christian values / liberalism / equality etc upon them, then we would soon be missing limbs or even worse, in a box!
There is a saying "When in Rome do as the Romans do" and I am a great believer in that! |
though im not sure if you know where this old saying comes from
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21 Feb 2008 Thu 02:55 pm |
from BBC
Williams 'shocked' at Sharia row
The Archbishop of Canterbury is said to be overwhelmed by the "hostility of the response" after his call for parts of Sharia law to be recognised in the UK. Friends of Dr Rowan Williams say he is in a state of shock and cannot believe the criticism from his own Church.
All the main political parties, secular groups and some senior Muslims have expressed dismay at his comments.
However, the Bishop of Hulme, the Rt Rev Stephen Lowe, criticised the "disgraceful" treatment of Dr Williams.
The BBC understands from sources who work on Christian-Muslim interfaith issues that Dr Williams has faced a barrage of criticism from within the Church and has been genuinely taken aback by how his words were received.
Resignation call
Islamic Sharia law is a legal and social code designed to help Muslims live their daily lives, but it has proved controversial in the West for the extreme nature of some of its punishments.
Culture Secretary Andy Burnham said moves such as those suggested by the archbishop would create "social chaos".
The Reverend Rod Thomas, chairman of evangelical Church group Reform, said the archbishop's comments were unhelpful.
"The Church at the moment, and the country, needs a clear lead. The country is itself in a debate about its own sense of identity," he said.
"The moral values that we pursue are ones that we need to know are clearly grounded, and it would be most helpful for the leader of the Church to be able to explain to people how the values we cherish stem from our Christian tradition."
UKIP MEP Gerard Batten said it would be the "thin end of the wedge" and called on the archbishop to resign.
He said: "I think he's shown he is totally unfit for the role he undertakes. He's not fit to be Archbishop of Canterbury, he doesn't seem to know what his own business is, and he's not fit to sit in the House of Lords. I think he should go."
'Hysterical misrepresentations'
However, the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) said it was grateful for the archbishop's "thoughtful intervention".
The organisation added that it was saddened by the "hysterical misrepresentations" of his speech, which would only "drive a wedge between British people".
Muhammed Abdul Bari, Secretary-General of the MCB, said: "The archbishop is not advocating implementation of the Islamic penal system in Britain.
"His recommendation is confined to the civil system of Sharia law, and only in accordance with English law and agreeable to established notions of human rights."
Bishop Lowe said the archbishop had been "ridiculed" and "lampooned" by some people.
"We have probably one of the greatest and the brightest Archbishops of Canterbury we have had for many a long day," he said.
Catherine Heseltine, from the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, said some people might be getting the wrong end of the stick.
"I'm concerned this debate is getting out of control because people hear the word Sharia and instantly scary images of beheadings," she said.
"But this is not what British Muslims want and it's not what British Muslims are asking for in any way."
'British values'
She added: "Sharia in our everyday lives means things like certification of halal meat, in the same way as Jewish religious bodies will certify kosher meat. No-one's forced to eat it but it's a choice if consumers want to buy it."
Dr Williams told BBC Radio 4 on Thursday that he believed the adoption of some Sharia law in the UK seemed "unavoidable".
In an interview with BBC correspondent Christopher Landau, Dr Williams said Muslims should not have to choose between "the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty".
Gordon Brown's spokesman said the prime minister "believes that British laws should be based on British values", but that the archbishop was perfectly entitled to express his views.
Home Office Minister Tony McNulty said to fundamentally change the rule of law and adopt Sharia law would be "fundamentally wrong."
Shaista Gohir, a government advisor on Muslim women, said the majority of British Muslims did not want Sharia courts.
Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said he did not agree with the archbishop him on the issue.
Under English law, people may devise their own way to settle a dispute in front of an agreed third party as long as both sides agree to the process.
Muslim Sharia courts and Orthodox Jewish courts which already exist in the UK come into this category.
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21 Feb 2008 Thu 03:45 pm |
Hi Daydreamer
This is a bit old news - any reason for re-posting it ?
Thanks and have a good day.
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21 Feb 2008 Thu 05:06 pm |
Quoting Cacık: Hi Daydreamer
This is a bit old news - any reason for re-posting it ? |
The reason was that we had a debate about the origin of the sharia fuss, then it stopped and I haven't noticed a closure that seemed in place here. If it has already been posted then could you provide me with the link? Thanks
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21 Feb 2008 Thu 05:15 pm |
Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting Cacık: Hi Daydreamer
This is a bit old news - any reason for re-posting it ? |
The reason was that we had a debate about the origin of the sharia fuss, then it stopped and I haven't noticed a closure that seemed in place here. If it has already been posted then could you provide me with the link? Thanks
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Hi there Daydreamer - Page 1 of this thread shows some links, but you are the first I see that has posted a BBC link.
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21 Feb 2008 Thu 06:12 pm |
Cacik, those links on page 1 are fresh news about the issue. My link is not an alternative link to the same story but a media insight into how the thing finished.
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22 Feb 2008 Fri 12:54 pm |
Quoting Daydreamer: Cacik, those links on page 1 are fresh news about the issue. My link is not an alternative link to the same story but a media insight into how the thing finished. |
Oh I see Daydreamer - you were looking for closure related articles to this topic - the jeton dustu !!! it must all the yummy simit I can't stop eating, those seasame seeds are replacing brain cells !
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22 Feb 2008 Fri 01:21 pm |
Quoting Cacık: it must all the yummy simit I can't stop eating, those seasame seeds are replacing brain cells ! |
Ohh...please....I'd kill for a simit now. I saw a recipe here but knowing my cooking abilities the result might be a leathal weapon instead of mouth-watering food
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22 Feb 2008 Fri 03:24 pm |
Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting Cacık: it must all the yummy simit I can't stop eating, those seasame seeds are replacing brain cells ! |
Ohh...please....I'd kill for a simit now. I saw a recipe here but knowing my cooking abilities the result might be a leathal weapon instead of mouth-watering food |
Oh yummy !!!!! I am just going down the road to get a simit from a great pastane !!! I personally prefer Pastane simit rather than the street ones which I find so hard they hurt my gums !
Try toasting a good simit, slicing it into two rings and smearing it with good butter and beyaz peynir or jam !!!
oh wow weeeeeee where would we be without Turkish food -
in a size 12 dress !!!!!
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22 Feb 2008 Fri 06:37 pm |
Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting Cacık: it must all the yummy simit I can't stop eating, those seasame seeds are replacing brain cells ! |
Ohh...please....I'd kill for a simit now. I saw a recipe here but knowing my cooking abilities the result might be a leathal weapon instead of mouth-watering food |
You got me looking up simit recipes...and on the search I found these...
Istanbul street food
Simit recipe
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22 Feb 2008 Fri 08:38 pm |
Quoting alameda: Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting Cacık: it must all the yummy simit I can't stop eating, those seasame seeds are replacing brain cells ! |
Ohh...please....I'd kill for a simit now. I saw a recipe here but knowing my cooking abilities the result might be a leathal weapon instead of mouth-watering food |
You got me looking up simit recipes...and on the search I found these...
Istanbul street food
Simit recipe |
yummy , i like kofte and simit
wonderful link, thanks alameda
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