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fear, outrage, prejudice, indifference, silence and disguise
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1.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 06:17 pm

I read this comment of Femme's on another thread and I wanted to comment without hijacking the existing thread, hence this new one.

femme_fatal

Quote 12 Feb 2008 Tue 06:41 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

i actually always keep saying that im not afraid of terror but of the indifference to te terror.
im disgusted by those who keep silent or those who try to justify the terror or those who disguise the evil.
indifference is the worst thing i know.



She is right, there can be no justification for terror and indifference to it does absolutely nothing to counter it or solve the grave problems relating to it. I guess we have to ask ourselves why more and more people are becoming indifferent to their own national and also international issues.

Terrorism is nothing new and it is a world wide problem: Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka; ETA in Spain; PIRA and UDA (2 of many) in UK; Japanese Red Army;Kahane Chai - Israel; Hamas - Israeli/Westbank/Gaza area; Lord's Resistance Army (aChristian/ pagan/ muslim group) - Northern Uganda); Ku Klux Klan - USA; even some extreme animal rights activists. Then there are the lone terrorists.
These are just a few od very many listed on wikipedia.

British Journalist Robert Fisk (The Independent) said

"once you acquire fear it’s very difficult to get rid of it "

IMO fear of the actions of a particular organisation can also perpetuate prejudice amongst mainstream citizens and it is the duty of governments and the media to act and report responsibly and truthfully. Governments and organisations often have their own agenda and this can affect the way they present information. All sides are guilty of using propaganda at some time or other. Is it any wonder ordinary people feel misinformed, fearful, outraged, indifferent and apathetic?

It is an extremely difficult task to get violently opposing groups to begin peace talks when there is an atmosphere of mutual mistrust (eg. Turkey's problems with Armenians and Kurds). Mediators are often needed and they should be neutral - an extremely difficult state to be, given today's ever shrinking world, where everybody seems to be doing business with everybody, no matter what.

Femme used the word disguise and it prompted me to recall a couple of videos I watched at the weekend. I am sure there are many more like them, portraying different countries' similar methods of reporting. These videos highlight how incidents can be distorted or 'disguised' as something they are not, by the lexicon used. It compares the same incidents reported by US and UK media and it makes interesting viewing.

The videos present one item in 2 parts and each is about 30 minutes long. They need to be watched in their entirety in order to hear comments from many different sources.

The videos are food for thought and, as I have already said, I'm sure there are examples of other countries using similar strategies. In no way am I anti US, but as a world leading government, they have a huge role to play in some peace processes and there shouldn't be any suspicion that the tail is wagging the dog. Such suspicion will breed indifference and apathy.

There are no easy answers and it will be *&""?& hard work and won't come cheap.

Thanks for the inspiration Femme (and no I'm not being sarcastic)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eCL6WdnuNp4 part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo2HW4T7wK4&NR=1 part 2




2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 06:45 pm

I have not watched the videos yet, but identifying who the terrorists are sometimes it is not that black and white:

During second world war, the resistance to German occupation was terrorism from the nazis point of view but they were freedom fighters from non-nazis.
islamic jihad is a terrorist organization according to israel but for Labenon, they are freedom fighters. Chechen fighters were freedom fighters for Turks for example but they were terrorist for Russia. Iraqi resistance is resistance to free their country from occupation but they are terrorists for USA and UK.
And when mentioning the terrorism, state terrorism done by strong states should not be ignored either.

3.       femme_fatal
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 12 Feb 2008 Tue 07:17 pm

Quoting peace train:


Thanks for the inspiration Femme


you are welcome, peace train

4.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 07:18 pm

Quoting thehandsom:




seems like not only you are in love with me

5.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 07:24 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:


seems like you are in love with me so badly


I am trying to hide it in public..but..

6.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 07:30 pm

You are right TheHandsom. The IRA considered they were at war and were not terrorists. Your last sentence is also meaningful in the context of the videos.

The list given on Wikepidea is also interesting because it also gives the names of the countries that view certain organisations as terrorists, so this must mean not everyone does.

I guess in some instances it depends on the individual's point of view. The point I am trying to make is this. The way incidents are portrayed/reported can affect the mind set of a nation's citizens. Some swallow it hook, line and sinker and can become fearful and prejudiced. Some know they are being misinformed and endeavour to seek out alternative views. This was one of the reasons why I posted a few weeks ago asking for alternative news sources to Zaman. I am aware that one newspaper does not give me a balanced insight into Turkish politics.

Politicians are a peculiar breed and are not always sincere. I personally would cite Tony Blair in this category (don't assume you know my political stance from that remark either).

Even on a domestic level, dirty tricks campaigns, propaganda, in house quarrels - all a recipe for turning people right off politics and becoming indifferent. People need to know their views really do matter. Propaganda can be so patronizing.

7.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 07:31 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting femme_fatal:


seems like you are in love with me so badly


I am trying to hide it in public..but..


darling, the truth is you cant hide love. it will always come out lol
just two days more till thursday

8.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 07:35 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting thehandsom:




seems like not only you are in love with me



What are you trying to instil in the minds of unsuspecting members?

9.       teaschip
3870 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 07:54 pm

I have already watched this before. They also have something very similiar about Israel. So which one is factual? I'm sure both are to a degree. If you really think we are so nieve to believe everything in the media, then I guess Al Jazeera is also a credible source.

As I mentioned in another thread, unfortunate as it sounds I believe the Palestinians are being used as pawns in the battle to exercise “right of return” which would eliminate Israel as we now know it.

Am I happy Abu Nidal Organisation, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Palestine Liberation Front, the PFLP and PFLP-GC carries out acts of violence, no.

Am I happy the U.S. sends aid to Israel? No..

10.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:11 pm

Strickly from a human perspective....how can such treatment of individuals be tolerated by the rest of the world? To deny people the right to healthcare, education, jobs, land, homes....it's just inhumane. People need dignity. Without it, we resort to extremes. Denying a people their human dignity for 35 years is a tragedy. I don't really care what you call the area, West Bank, Palestine, Gaza, Israel, Disney Land....these are people and this is sad.

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