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10.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:11 pm

Strickly from a human perspective....how can such treatment of individuals be tolerated by the rest of the world? To deny people the right to healthcare, education, jobs, land, homes....it's just inhumane. People need dignity. Without it, we resort to extremes. Denying a people their human dignity for 35 years is a tragedy. I don't really care what you call the area, West Bank, Palestine, Gaza, Israel, Disney Land....these are people and this is sad.

11.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:12 pm

Great post peace train, love you

12.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:17 pm

teaschip I think I acknowledged that such media practice is used by many countries and organizations. I acknowledged that not everyone is naive too.

I too am not happy with the acts of violence in the videos and I too do not agree with the aid given to Israel by the US. This is the point I tried to make about mediators, they have to be seen to be neutral. If the US, or whoever want, to play peace maker/mediator they must be seen as fair minded with no ulteria motive, otherwise there is mistrust and resistance. As I said, it is an extremely difficult situation to bring about. Maybe I'm an idealist but I believe the world's peace makers should be a little more selfless.

Muhammad Yunus, Nobel Peace Prize winner 2006, does a great deal of work, tackling poverty and he believes erasion/eradication of poverty is the way to peace. He may have a point and I wonder if that is so then one could say money has the ability to turn some people's heads the wrong way.

13.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:18 pm

Israeli settlements and military bases now occupy over half of the entire West Bank and its best farmland and water resources. These lands are Palestinians and Syrians.

Israel is contented to leave arid and squalid lands to Palestinians, where unemployment is about 50 %. Malnutrition is rampant. People live in squalid conditions, with no medical and social services.
While Abass, on the other hand wants to starve his own people into submission to his dictates. He has been an ineffective leader of the Palistinians, unlike that of the great Yasir Arafat. It is highly suspected that Abass is a pawn of ISRAEL and USA.
While other Arab countries proclaim their support of Palestinian rights and at the same time, rivaling the Israelis with their two sided approach, secretly collaborating with Israel to thwart emergence of an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank. They are afraid that their own country will be shaken up, if democratic elections are held. They are terrified of a HAMAS type of victory.
Will a Palestinian state be possible? Yes.
It will be a mini state with a series of enclaves with Israeli settlements and roads dividing such state. This is what Israeli and the USA want. There would be no peace. The Palestinians will be treated as slaves. No peace is possible without Hamas.
But will Isreal’s powerful right wingers and their USA neo-con supported agree to this? I say no. It is their intention not to cede an inch of Bibical Israel. So whether or not a deal is made in Maryland, it will not be sanctioned by the Israeli government. We will then be in the status quo. This conference is only a photo-op.
On the other hand, there are about 50 % Israelis who want genuine peace and who support real land for a peace deal, but their quest for this is stymied by the fanatics. There are millions of good hearted Israelis, who wants to live in harmony with their neighbours and share the commonality of Prophet Abraham.

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14.       alameda
3499 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:20 pm

I only watched a tiny bit of the videos....I just can't take anymore now. The situation is hideous, frustrating. It goes on and on.

There are few innocent virgins in this story, unfortunatly, they are the ones who pay the most.

The Jews and the Muslims are so close to each other in their beliefs. It's hard to understand how this happens. I suspect it's more outside interference than anything else.

I wish it would STOP!!!

Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem,
certainly had no illusions about what a “Jewish
homeland” in Palestine meant for the British Empire:
“It will form for England,” he said, “a little loyal
Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.”

15.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:38 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Strickly from a human perspective....how can such treatment of individuals be tolerated by the rest of the world? To deny people the right to healthcare, education, jobs, land, homes....it's just inhumane. People need dignity. Without it, we resort to extremes. Denying a people their human dignity for 35 years is a tragedy. I don't really care what you call the area, West Bank, Palestine, Gaza, Israel, Disney Land....these are people and this is sad.



+1000000000

16.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:42 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Great post peace train, love you



attention please!
aenigma is drunk, please, dont pay attention to her posts!

17.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:48 pm

Quoting alameda:

I only watched a tiny bit of the videos....I just can't take anymore now. The situation is hideous, frustrating. It goes on and on.

There are few innocent virgins in this story, unfortunatly, they are the ones who pay the most.

The Jews and the Muslims are so close to each other in their beliefs. It's hard to understand how this happens. I suspect it's more outside interference than anything else.

I wish it would STOP!!!

Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem,
certainly had no illusions about what a “Jewish
homeland” in Palestine meant for the British Empire:
“It will form for England,” he said, “a little loyal
Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.”



And you will see in the videos that people on all sides deplore the reporting tactics: Rabiis, women's groups etc.

The situation is indeed hideous and I am yet again reminded of Femme's word "indifference", but I think it's more a sense of apathy born out of the feeling that the situation seems impossible, with no "genuine, sincere" desire from some governments to bring about a solution.

Will someone please remind me why the UN exists?

18.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:50 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Great post peace train, love you



Alas, alack . . my heart is promised to another. But thank you

19.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:54 pm

Quoting peace train:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Great post peace train, love you



Alas, alack . . my heart is promised to another. But thank you



Oh great...this should put AEnigma right over the edge!

20.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 12 Feb 2008 Tue 08:54 pm

Quoting peace train:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Great post peace train, love you



Alas, alack . . my heart is promised to another. But thank you



Nooooooooooooo! Not in THAT way
In a warm, glowy, alcohol induced fuzzy kind of way

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