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1.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 04:07 pm

Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft'

BEIRUT, Lebanon - A leading human rights group appealed to Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah on Thursday to stop the execution of a woman accused of witchcraft and performing supernatural acts.

The New York-based Human Rights Watch said in a statement that the kingdom's religious police who arrested and interrogated Fawza Falih, and the judges who tried her in the northern town of Quraiyat never gave her the opportunity to prove her innocence in the face of "absurd charges that have no basis in law."

Falih's case underscores shortcomings in Saudi Arabia's Islamic legal system in which rules of evidence are shaky, lawyers are not always present and sentences often depend on the whim of judges.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23162712

2.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 04:17 pm

lis, remind me, the witch century do i live in?

3.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 04:23 pm

Femme....its 1630! Now please don't go spreading your witchcraft anymore and start telling us women that we have can give an opinion...I don't want the Inquisition to start questioning ME!!

4.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 04:43 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Femme....its 1630! Now please don't go spreading your witchcraft anymore and start telling US women that we have can give an opinion...I don't want the Inquisition to start questioning ME!!


i know you US women are all bed and witches.

5.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 04:46 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Femme....its 1630! Now please don't go spreading your witchcraft anymore and start telling US women that we have can give an opinion...I don't want the Inquisition to start questioning ME!!


i know you US women are all bed and witches.



SHHHHHH....when Sharia law comes to the US, they will know exactly where all the black magic is coming from!!

6.       zettea
160 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 05:21 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Femme....its 1630! Now please don't go spreading your witchcraft anymore and start telling US women that we have can give an opinion...I don't want the Inquisition to start questioning ME!!


i know you US women are all bed and witches.



SHHHHHH....when Sharia law comes to the US, they will know exactly where all the black magic is coming from!!



very funny?

7.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:03 pm

Saudi Arabia is governed by the Sheria rules and this country makes a very big betrayal to Islam, and KSA and the other countries in which are governed by the Sheria rules prevent the smiling and real face of Islam. Islam is only a religion, the last celestial religion, not a type of goverment and I think that Islam must be renovated, must be escape from Sheria rules (especially the moron Islamic statesman), and must approach the civilization level.

witchcraft is not related to the real Islam religion and it's identified one of the biggest sins and illicit in Islam. witchcraft derives from primitive and supersitious beliefs, and most of people are ignorant who apply witchcract and the other supernatural acts.

I'm castigating this event and it is not related to Human Rights and Civilization. These kind of events give the opportunity to insult and swear Islam religion for most of the enemies of Islam.

However, this event can't be arrogated to Islam religion. It must be arrogated to the uncivilized Islamic states where the Sheria rules are applied and don't show any respect to Human Rights.

8.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:15 pm

Quoting adonis:

Saudi Arabia is governed by the Sheria rules and this country makes a very big betrayal to Islam, and KSA and the other countries in which are governed by the Sheria rules prevent the smiling and real face of Islam. Islam is only a religion, the last celestial religion, not a type of goverment and I think that Islam must be renovated, must be escape from Sheria rules (especially the moron Islamic statesman), and must approach the civilization level.

witchcraft is not related to the real Islam religion and it's identified one of the biggest sins and illicit in Islam. witchcraft derives from primitive and supersitious beliefs, and most of people are ignorant who apply witchcract and the other supernatural acts.

I'm castigating this event and it is not related to Human Rights and Civilization. These kind of events give the opportunity to insult and swear Islam religion for most of the enemies of Islam.

However, this event can't be arrogated to Islam religion. It must be arrogated to the uncivilized Islamic states where the Sheria rules are applied and don't show any respect to Human Rights.



huh, an expert on islam and human rights

9.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:17 pm

Adonis - It's amazing that you defend Islam but don't mention anything about this woman or express any regret that she is going to be put to death for ridiculous reasons!

10.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:37 pm

Women across the globe should RALLY for this woman's life.
If you women unite....trully unite, you can create a
miracle.....

If this poor woman is executed.....you will regret you
did nothing....

A life is a life is a life.....do it...!

11.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:40 pm

We should rally for ALL women...everywhere!

12.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:44 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Adonis - It's amazing that you defend Islam but don't mention anything about this woman or express any regret that she is going to be put to death for ridiculous reasons!



I defend Islam cuz I'm a real, open-minded Muslim and as i said before that this type of events are the betrayal to Islam and not related to logic, civilization, human rights and real Islam. as I said that Islam must be renovated and must approach the civilization level.

I'm really castigating this event, but i know that you won't believe me. It doesn't matter for me, cuz I know you.

without having any real information about Islam, you mustn't make absurd comments about this religion. if you have an idea about a serious topic, you must give logical idea with good sources. otherwise you'll be suspected with your arguments...

why do you have so many abhorrences about Islam? Because you are afraid of the real Islam, and these kind of events, i mean witchcract event, give you the opportunity to destoy the real Islam. Besides, you have no culture and jealous for the unique cultures and the real Islam.

this is your problem, not mine and the real Islam.

maybe you are offended from my excellence about Islam and Human Rights, why not?

13.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:46 pm

Quoting eddie:

Women across the globe should RALLY for this woman's life.
If you women unite....trully unite, you can create a
miracle.....

If this poor woman is executed.....you will regret you
did nothing....

A life is a life is a life.....do it...!



just shut up, ok?

14.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:47 pm

Quoting adonis:


I defend Islam cuz I'm a real, open-minded Muslim and as i said before that this type of events are the betrayal to Islam and not related to logic, civilization, human rights and real Islam. as I said that Islam must be renovated and must approach the civilization level.

I'm really castigating this event, but i know that you won't believe me. It doesn't matter for me, cuz I know you.

without having any real information about Islam, you mustn't make absurd comments about this religion. if you have an idea about a serious topic, you must give logical idea with good sources. otherwise you'll be suspected with your arguments...

why do you have so many abhorrences about Islam? Because you are afraid of the real Islam, and these kind of events, i mean witchcract event, give you the opportunity to destoy the real Islam. Besides, you have no culture and jealous for the unique cultures and the real Islam.

this is your problem, not mine and the real Islam.

maybe you are offended from my excellence about Islam and Human Rights, why not?



15.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:48 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Adonis - It's amazing that you defend Islam but don't mention anything about this woman or express any regret that she is going to be put to death for ridiculous reasons!



why I must be regretful for this event? cuz I'm not representing this type of uncivilized governments and penalties.

of course I'm very sad for the women, but I'm not a superman to survive them. got it?

don't make demagogies...

16.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:48 pm

Quoting adonis:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Adonis - It's amazing that you defend Islam but don't mention anything about this woman or express any regret that she is going to be put to death for ridiculous reasons!



I defend Islam cuz I'm a real, open-minded Muslim and as i said before that this type of events are the betrayal to Islam and not related to logic, civilization, human rights and real Islam. as I said that Islam must be renovated and must approach the civilization level.

I'm really castigating this event, but i know that you won't believe me. It doesn't matter for me, cuz I know you.

without having any real information about Islam, you mustn't make absurd comments about this religion. if you have an idea about a serious topic, you must give logical idea with good sources. otherwise you'll be suspected with your arguments...

why do you have so many abhorrences about Islam? Because you are afraid of the real Islam, and these kind of events, i mean witchcract event, give you the opportunity to destoy the real Islam. Besides, you have no culture and jealous for the unique cultures and the real Islam.

this is your problem, not mine and the real Islam.

maybe you are offended from my excellence about Islam and Human Rights, why not?



The article is about a woman being put to death for witchcraft....I made no judgements about Islam in my post. DO you have something intelligent to say about this? Or are you just going to preach your dogma?

17.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:49 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:


The article is about a woman being put to death for witchcraft....I made no judgements about Islam in my post. DO you have something intelligent to say about this? Or are you just going to preach your dogma?



hes not talking to you. hes a coward!

18.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:50 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting eddie:

Women across the globe should RALLY for this woman's life.
If you women unite....trully unite, you can create a
miracle.....

If this poor woman is executed.....you will regret you
did nothing....

A life is a life is a life.....do it...!



just shut up, ok?



Is there a person alive that would darn attempt to shut you up?

19.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:51 pm

Indeed do so!....let it begin with you dear Elisabeth.....

In the attaining minds of the once mighty Praetorian Guard
"What we do in Life , echoes in Eternity ".....

What is your first step ....?

: >



20.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:51 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:





If you have a nausea or stomache, go to the WC. don't ruin the forum.

21.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:53 pm

The first step is to stop men like Adonis who try to make everything about religion...it is about humanity. Do we care more about humans or the rules of man made religion? Open your eyes and minds people...THIS IS ABOUT HUMANS TREATING OTHER HUMANS LIKE THEY ARE ANIMALS!!

22.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:54 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:



hes not talking to you. hes a coward!



I'm the bravest member of this site! are you enough to discuss with me? absolutely NO!!!

cuz you are all ignorant!!!

23.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:57 pm

Worry not Elisabeth , I hold no feeling of resentment at fancied slights or insults by others - they are trivial.

I am with you and against no one here. FF has her
thoughts , we all have ours.....

A pleasure to meet you FF...stay strong...

24.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 06:57 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

The first step is to stop men like Adonis who try to make everything about religion...it is about humanity. Do we care more about humans or the rules of man made religion? Open your eyes and minds people...THIS IS ABOUT HUMANS TREATING OTHER HUMANS LIKE THEY ARE ANIMALS!!



haven't you still read my previous entries about in this topic?

I'M CASTIGATING THIS EVENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE HUMAN RIGHTS. I'M VERY SAD FOR THIS EVENT!!!

DON'T YOU STILL GOT IT?

25.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:01 pm

Quoting adonis:

Quoting Elisabeth:

The first step is to stop men like Adonis who try to make everything about religion...it is about humanity. Do we care more about humans or the rules of man made religion? Open your eyes and minds people...THIS IS ABOUT HUMANS TREATING OTHER HUMANS LIKE THEY ARE ANIMALS!!



haven't you still read my previous entries about in this topİc?

I'M CASTIGATING THIS EVENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE HUMAN RIGHTS. I'M VERY SAD FOR THIS EVENT!!!

DON'T YOU STILL GOT IT?



Stop turning everything into a major insult to your very exsistance, Adonis. You are extremely insecure and defensive which says a lot about how you really feel about your religion and culture.

26.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:01 pm

Quoting adonis:

Quoting femme_fatal:





If you have a nausea or stomache, go to the WC. don't ruin the forum.


Too late you you already ruined it with your imbecilic rants.

27.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:02 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting adonis:

Quoting femme_fatal:





If you have a nausea or stomache, go to the WC. don't ruin the forum.


Too late you you already ruined it with your imbecilic rants.



OOOO, the grandma is here. welcome!!!

28.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:07 pm

eddie must shut up before start again.

how dare he say: all the women unite! ???

so what about men? ha? sit back and watch footie? or slap us with a tooth brush?

how grateful we are to men!

thank you, men for your great support and efforts done to change the world

29.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:10 pm

The sign of a trully intelligent , well rounded 6th grader.

Using insults that hold nothing but flatulence and a
sordid past perhaps....

Any child can use language like yours Mr Philospher...
Do you have respect for only men....oh yes, maybe young
nublies when the situtation suits your needs....

Ooooops.....below the belt.....not sorry.
A good day to you Mr A.....by the way....watch out for
wild boars....!

30.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:13 pm

Quoting eddie:

Women across the globe should RALLY for this woman's life.


oh thank you for your precious advise!

Quoting eddie:



If you women unite....trully unite, you can create a
miracle.....


hocus-pocus, abra-cadabra?

Quoting eddie:



If this poor woman is executed.....you will regret you
did nothing....

A life is a life is a life.....do it...!



how about you, eddie, will you give a wink?

31.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:15 pm

femme stop your shameless flirting with eddie.

32.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:15 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

eddie must shut up before start again.

how dare he say: all the women unite! ???

so what about men? ha? sit back and watch footie? or slap us with a tooth brush?

how grateful we are to men!

thank you, men for your great support and efforts done to change the world



It goes without saying that I include anyone who wishes to
unite my dear FF. I meant to exclude no one...But it must
be STARTED by women ....It will show cause...it will show
determination....It will show strength...!

Women should simple BEGIN and start it....You KNOW good
and well my friend that men will unite with you against
this.....

Time is wasting my dear FF...!
Begin with convincing the 6th grander Mr A.....the one
with the sordid tongue....convince him to join the
cause....!

Do it FF....you have the power....do it..!!

33.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:19 pm

34.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:21 pm

Eddie, sorry but you are wrong. EVERYONE should stand up and defend this woman. If you ask only women to do it, you are no different from those muslims who stay silent.

We only have to look at this website to see the reaction when women stand up against these archaic, mysogynist regimes. We are criticised, ridiculed and insulted. Why can you not see that it is about HUMAN RIGHTS not WOMENS RIGHTS?

I would react the same way if it was a woman OR man in this situation. Why won't you?

35.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:23 pm

Quoting eddie:


It goes without saying that I include anyone who wishes to
unite my dear FF. I meant to exclude no one...But it must
be STARTED by women ....It will show cause...it will show
determination....It will show strength...!


these are empty words. im fed up with slogans.

Quoting eddie:


Women should simple BEGIN and start it....You KNOW good
and well my friend that men will unite with you against
this.....


we have already begun, long ago. and we receive no support from men, just indifference, and oh, sweet advises.

Quoting eddie:



Time is wasting my dear FF...!
Begin with convincing the 6th grander Mr A.....the one
with the sordid tongue....convince him to join the
cause....!


look dont make me mad, ok?
why dont you do anything about that grander? how come you teach and preach me what i must do?
what do you do to save such women? what do you do to show primitive men like adonis their places?

Quoting eddie:


Do it FF....you have the power....do it..!!


it sounds like: go head, FF, bang you head at that wall, i know you can do that, i know you have a powerful sculp to break the wall.

36.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:28 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Eddie, sorry but you are wrong. EVERYONE should stand up and defend this woman. If you ask only women to do it, you are no different from those muslims who stay silent.

We only have to look at this website to see the reaction when women stand up against these archaic, mysogynist regimes. We are criticised, ridiculed and insulted. Why can you not see that it is about HUMAN RIGHTS not WOMENS RIGHTS?

I would react the same way if it was a woman OR man in this situation. Why won't you?



I agree AE....my original post was misread perhaps...I only
meant for the women to BEGIN the cause ....to
let the world know it BEGINS with THEM....
For certain men should follow , but the lead should be
by women....it is one of theirs that they fight...

Yes, human is human....and misogynists must be sent to the
moon as any 'hateful ' group of people....

I apologize for having misled anyone here.....I invite all
people with love and a conscience to rally for this
woman we speak of.....

: >

37.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:31 pm

Witch hunting isn't really about witchcraft. It is about sticking out of a society, about being a freethinker rather than a conformist following your country's main religion. Witchcraft was invented as means of propaganda by Catholics, Malleus Malleficarum (The Witch Hammer) being it's bible. At times when Catholicism was still fighting for its position in Europe, witchcraft was quite a useful tool of doing away with the remains of paganism. Christian God was advocated to be better than the old pagan Gods and all pagans had to be removed in order for plain people to fear the Christian God (fear is the best method of making simple people follow your religion). So, what was better than implying that women (generally considered impure and inferior to men and being thus rather unable to stand for themselves) were witches, while in fact they were just means of terrorising people by the Holy Church.

Adonis writes that it has nothing to do with religion and that he's an open-minded Muslim. If it's really so then, first of all, how full of anger and hate must this religion be judging by his posts, and, secondly, he's absolutely wrong as persecutions have always been (and I do feel shame that they still are) means of reinforcing one system, be it religious or political. Not noticing it, you're just proving how limited you are.

38.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:31 pm

Eddie ... sorry but NO! Next time innocent men are taken hostage by terrorists and threatened with having their heads hacked off with knives, do you think I would say "Eddie all MEN should fight this...or at least begin the first, then we might join in"?

(PS You are keeping me late at work - please agree with me lol )

39.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:38 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting eddie:


It goes without saying that I include anyone who wishes to
unite my dear FF. I meant to exclude no one...But it must
be STARTED by women ....It will show cause...it will show
determination....It will show strength...!


these are empty words. im fed up with slogans.

Quoting eddie:


Women should simple BEGIN and start it....You KNOW good
and well my friend that men will unite with you against
this.....


we have already begun, long ago. and we receive no support from men, just indifference, and oh, sweet advises.

Quoting eddie:



Time is wasting my dear FF...!
Begin with convincing the 6th grander Mr A.....the one
with the sordid tongue....convince him to join the
cause....!


look dont make me mad, ok?
why dont you do anything about that grander? how come you teach and preach me what i must do?
what do you do to save such women? what do you do to show primitive men like adonis their places?

Quoting eddie:


Do it FF....you have the power....do it..!!


it sounds like: go head, FF, bang you head at that wall, i know you can do that, i know you have a powerful sculp to break the wall.



FF you speak with a mean spirited tongue.There is no need
for this. 'Bang your head'....People die for such causes..
Equality...it must begin somewhere my friend.

'Teaching and Preaching' ...I've done no such thimg...I
merely suggested. Is this not allowed. Please do not take
me out of context.

You call Adonis 'primitive' with one side of your mouth
then try and lambast me for doing it...hmmm

Make you mad?....You do not know me. I am not made that
way....

If you have begun 'long ago'.....continue....Persevere..
don't quit....stop at nothing....

No dear FF these are not empty words....they come with
friendship and honesty....
Trully ....what makes you so bitter about everyone around
you....Come visit us ....We don't bite....

40.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:40 pm

If you have a power to stop this type of events, why are you writing only blaming entries in here? especially you, femme fatal?

ACTION IS GOLDEN...

41.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:44 pm

Quoting adonis:

If you have a power to stop this type of events, why are you writing only blaming entries in here? especially you, femme fatal?

ACTION IS GOLDEN...



We DONT have the power to change this regime Adonis, of course.

YOU however do have the power. These people represent you. For every second that muslims say NOTHING against these archaic practices, you become no better than them.

42.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:47 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Eddie ... sorry but NO! Next time innocent men are taken hostage by terrorists and threatened with having their heads hacked off with knives, do you think I would say "Eddie all MEN should fight this...or at least begin the first, then we might join in"?

(PS You are keeping me late at work - please agree with me lol )



Men did fight against this barbaric cowardly behavior.

The just action of many should begin with one...!...

One person...one ...to begin the cause...
A woman of honor , strenth, poise, honesty and wisdom.

That is all I meant ....ALL people should rally - yes.
As I said....I did not mean to exclude anyone....know this.
That is all....a good pleasant day to all of you...

I stand united in the rally for ALL people across the globe
to stand up for this woman we speak of....ALL PEOPLE.
OK?.....everyone got that ?.....
: >

43.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:49 pm

Quoting eddie:

Men did fight against this barbaric cowardly behavior.



What men? Armed forces? (Men and women) sent by democratically elected leader (voted by men and women). I don't see your point.

44.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:53 pm

Quote:

Quote:

Quoting eddie:



Time is wasting my dear FF...!
Begin with convincing the 6th grander Mr A.....the one
with the sordid tongue....convince him to join the
cause....!


look dont make me mad, ok?
why dont you do anything about that grander? how come you teach and preach me what i must do?
what do you do to save such women? what do you do to show primitive men like adonis their places?

Quoting eddie:


Do it FF....you have the power....do it..!!


it sounds like: go head, FF, bang you head at that wall, i know you can do that, i know you have a powerful sculp to break the wall.



FF you speak with a mean spirited tongue.There is no need
for this. 'Bang your head'....People die for such causes..
Equality...it must begin somewhere my friend.

'Teaching and Preaching' ...I've done no such thimg...I
merely suggested. Is this not allowed. Please do not take
me out of context.

You call Adonis 'primitive' with one side of your mouth
then try and lambast me for doing it...hmmm

Make you mad?....You do not know me. I am not made that
way....

If you have begun 'long ago'.....continue....Persevere..
don't quit....stop at nothing....

No dear FF these are not empty words....they come with
friendship and honesty....
Trully ....what makes you so bitter about everyone around
you....Come visit us ....We don't bite....



wonderful entry...

femme fatal and her compainions, icluding catwoman, are always hiding the unbrella of feminism to insult Islam, unique cultures and the events. because they have no business, only write here just for insulting without writing logical entries.

I'm still waiting the answer of my question. why they are still here? why don't you make your own countries and your women rights get better?

being only a feminist is not enough for you, because you have no actions and no success in the life against the men. why don't you follow the successful women in the world as an idol? writing only silly and insulting entries can't survive you and you will be exploited frequently...

got it?

45.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:58 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting eddie:

Men did fight against this barbaric cowardly behavior.



What men? Armed forces? (Men and women) sent by democratically elected leader (voted by men and women). I don't see your point.



Why on earth are people picking on Eddie? At least his heart is in the right place. Can't he be given some credit for trying, instead of coming down so hard on him?

46.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 07:59 pm

Adonis I never considered myself to be a feminist (and have only ever been labelled as such on this website).

We are just defending human rights. Do you not understand that?

Got it?

47.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:00 pm

Quoting alameda:


Why on earth are people picking on Eddie? At least his heart is in the right place. Can't he be given some credit for trying, instead of coming down so hard on him?



Am I being rude or insulting to Eddie?
Sorry, but I thought this was a discussion forum

48.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:00 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

]

We DONT have the power to change this regime Adonis, of course.

YOU however do have the power. These people represent you. For every second that muslims say NOTHING against these archaic practices, you become no better than them.



am I representing these people????? hahahahaha you are so funny enigma. keep in mind that I reject uncivilized people.

I reject fake Islam.

I reject supersitious acts and beliefs.

I reject Sheria rules.

I reject insulting women.

Cuz I'm civilized, secular, and open-minded Muslim.

I'm the the supporter of logical thinking and Human Rights.

If you are the exact supporter of freedom, why don't you think about Inquisition Courts? aren't they primitive?

49.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:01 pm

50.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:04 pm

Quoting adonis:



femme fatal and her compainions, icluding catwoman, are always hiding the unbrella of feminism to insult Islam, unique cultures and the events. because they have no business, only write here just for insulting without writing logical entries.




Don't you think that if it's so easy to insult Islam, maybe there's something wrong with it? Oh, no, right - you are the lucky one who is a MALE and therefore won't be forced to all the things you would be forced to if you were a woman. Also, you live in quite a liberal country so it's easier again. Think about what happens to people in strictly Islamic countries and what it has to do with Human Rights. Do you think Islam is about Human Rights? If yes, please convince me using ARGUMENTS not insults. Remember a barking dog is usually afraid, not right.

Quote:

I'm still waiting the answer of my question. why they are still here? why don't you make your own countries and your women rights get better?


They are here because they have all the right to do it. They've been here long before you and surely will be long after you're gone. As for helping women in their own countries. How do you know they don't do it?

Quote:

writing only silly and insulting entries can't survive you and you will be exploited frequently...

got it?



Was it a rhetorical question?

51.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:05 pm

Unfortunatley yes you do represent these people, Adonis. You have no religious leaders, so we can only judge your religion by its followers

I have never heard muslims stand up PUBLICALLY and condemn regimes like Saudi Arabia. These regimes are your worst enemies.

Stop winging and insulting women who dare to speak up against the obscene way that fellow human beings are treated in these societies, and start to show us that you have equal compassion for them as WE DO. Why do you fight us, but not them?

I really don't believe that you have NO COMPASSION in you for other humans, whatever country or religion. Stop being defensive and show us the side of Islam that you want us to see.

52.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:09 pm

Quoting adonis:



If you are the exact supporter of freedom, why don't you think about Inquisition Courts? aren't they primitive?



That's the punch line of every attempt to debate with a Muslim. For your information The medieval Inquisition ended in 1230, only Spaniards had their own until 1830. Even if we take 19th century as the end of Inquisition, it is still 2 (TWO) centuries ago, and The Church has apologised for it. Islamic violation of Human rights continues until today and nobody apologises for it.

53.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:10 pm

Quoting eddie:


FF you speak with a mean spirited tongue.


i cant speak calm and polite on these matters.

Quoting eddie:


There is no need
for this. 'Bang your head'....People die for such causes..
Equality...it must begin somewhere my friend.


and you are so calm when they die.

Quoting eddie:



'Teaching and Preaching' ...I've done no such thimg...I
merely suggested. Is this not allowed. Please do not take
me out of context.


then dont throw stupid slogans.

Quoting eddie:


You call Adonis 'primitive' with one side of your mouth
then try and lambast me for doing it...hmmm


im not accusing you for judging adonis. im judging your advises for women.

Quoting eddie:



Make you mad?....You do not know me. I am not made that
way....


dont know you, but reading your posts. you speak like peace train and alameda.

Quoting eddie:



If you have begun 'long ago'.....continue....Persevere..
don't quit....stop at nothing....


and you clap your hands and borrow your wisdom.

Quoting eddie:


....Come visit us ....We don't bite....


you? the society of dead gentlemen?

54.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:10 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting alameda:


Why on earth are people picking on Eddie? At least his heart is in the right place. Can't he be given some credit for trying, instead of coming down so hard on him?



Am I being rude or insulting to Eddie?
Sorry, but I thought this was a discussion forum



Discussion forum...true enough...a marketplace of ideas.
Clearly no room for 6th grade insults to women or anyone
for that matter (Mr.A ).
I take no umbrage to insults - it is like water off
my back. Mean spirited words hold nothing. But mean
spirited words lead to grenades, and that leads to
violence......Violence leads to disaster.

I have no ill feelings to AE or FF or Mr Adonis....They
are human beings like me....have feelings like me....hold
opinions like me.....

Thank you Alameda...I trully wish for all peoples of the
world to come together to save the life of this woman...
My heart indeed is in the right place...
Thank you all for contributing kindly....
No more 6th grade remarks ok Mr A ?....Hold no malice in
with your words Adon....you will get farther in life...

55.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:17 pm

Nice to see you writing in the forums Eddie (Don't mind Femme - she ate poisoned chocolate this morning )

56.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:18 pm

hope, didnt hurt eddie's gentle feelings.

57.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:20 pm

femme - are you still trying to figure out who eddie is?

58.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:21 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

femme - are you still trying to figure out who eddie is?



I thought he was King of TC?

59.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:24 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Elisabeth:

femme - are you still trying to figure out who eddie is?



I thought he was King of TC?



Are we sure he is a he? Maybe eddie is queen? I have a friend Edith...we call her Eddie! Edith...is that YOU?

60.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:25 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

femme - are you still trying to figure out who eddie is?


its obvious who he is
hes a campanion of peace train and alameda. "innocent" and polite. people who always think good of themselves. who always care about only for their good image in public.
not my type.

hope, didnt scare him away

61.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:31 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting eddie:


FF you speak with a mean spirited tongue.


i cant speak calm and polite on these matters.

Quoting eddie:


There is no need
for this. 'Bang your head'....People die for such causes..
Equality...it must begin somewhere my friend.


and you are so calm when they die.

Quoting eddie:



'Teaching and Preaching' ...I've done no such thimg...I
merely suggested. Is this not allowed. Please do not take
me out of context.


then dont throw stupid slogans.

Quoting eddie:


You call Adonis 'primitive' with one side of your mouth
then try and lambast me for doing it...hmmm


im not accusing you for judging adonis. im judging your advises for women.

Quoting eddie:



Make you mad?....You do not know me. I am not made that
way....


dont know you, but reading your posts. you speak like peace train and alameda.

Quoting eddie:



If you have begun 'long ago'.....continue....Persevere..
don't quit....stop at nothing....


and you clap your hands and borrow your wisdom.

Quoting eddie:


....Come visit us ....We don't bite....


you? the society of dead gentlemen?



FF....my dear FF...slow down I mean you no harm.

Your words, they carry hurt in them...I sense it.
They will not dissuade or destroy me or anyone.

I hear you....we all do.

Thank you for your thoughts.
A grand day to you and yours......

62.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:35 pm

eddie, canim, thank you for your nice wishes.
i will not calm down, ever
femme calm = femme dead
it was nice to exchange a few words.

take care

63.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:39 pm

A rallying song for the women in TC....
Indeed you are all 'Wonders'....created for the good of each
country you represent.......

Know this: Help this woman in need now....let it begin with
you...write letters....call media....American gals get on
the train and write emails....Brits....Europeans....
Asians....Africans....M/East gals.....Aussies...Latinas..

Miracles do happen.....Have faith ....!

Do not leave this woman alone in this ...
Pay no attention to the 'negatives' here in TC...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vx3ndjsalw



WONDER.......

Doctors have come
from distant cities
just to see me
stand over my bed
disbelieving what they're seeing
they say I must be one of the wonders
of god's own creation
and as far as they can see they can offer
no explanation
newspapers ask
intimate questions
want confessions
reach into my head
to steal the glory
of my story
they say I must be one of the wonders
of god's own creation
and as far as they can see they can offer
no explanation
I believe
fate smiled &destiny
laughed as she came to my cradle
"know that this child will be able"
laughed as my body she lifted
"know this child will be gifted
with love. with patience,
and with faith
she'll make her way"
people see me
I'm a challenge
to your balance
I'm over your heads
how I confound you
and astound you
to know I must be one of the wonders
of god's own creation
and as far as you can see you can offer me
no explanation
I believe
fate smiled &destiny
laughed as she came to my cradle
"know that this child will be able"
laughed as she came to my mother
"know this child will not suffer"
laughed as my body she lifted
"know this child will be gifted
with love. with patience,
and with faith
she'll make her way"



64.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:44 pm

Eddie, you lost me again

Stop with thinking of this as "another women's issue" like so many men. Stop thinking about "feminists" and start thinking about "human rights".

Stop thinking that saying "I support you girls" is your way of being a modern man and start putting equal rights for all into practice instead.

Until then, you are just patronising us

65.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:55 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Eddie, you lost me again

Stop with thinking of this as "another women's issue" like so many men. Stop thinking about "feminists" and start thinking about "human rights".

Stop thinking that saying "I support you girls" is your way of being a modern man and start putting equal rights for all into practice instead.

Until then, you are just patronising us



My God ....I AM NOT doing this as a 'woman ' thing...
Plesae get off that AE....Did you not read Alameda's post?
Are you seeing me with tunnel vision ?

I AM ON YOUR SIDE !!!! YOUR SIDE !!!
AE>>>>> YOUR SIDE>>>>!!!!

1-If men get involved they are - 'taking control' ..
2-If men do not get involved - 'they don't care'...

Can I not say anything to appease you ?
I just wish to rally the women first to see this for
what it is and the men too....

This is a tribute to all women everywhere.....

Accept it gratiously and see it for what it is dear girl..

: >

66.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 08:57 pm

Quoting eddie:

1-If men get involved they are - 'taking control' ..
2-If men do not get involved - 'they don't care'...

Can I not say anything to appease you ?
I just wish to rally the women first to see this for
what it is and the men too....

This is a tribute to all women everywhere.....

Accept it gratiously and see it for what it is dear girl..

: >



Eddie, stop thinking about MEN and WOMEN and start thinking about humans. Then read your post again....

OK, if it makes it easier for you, think of this women in question as a man, and for God's sake stop trying to make this a "feminist" issue instead of a human rights one.

67.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:05 pm

Will someone please go to AE and FF and give them a loving
hug and tell them you love them.....
Tell them that we are all not as divided and mean-spirited
as they may believe.
Tell them that one must have faith in something before it
comes to pass....that if they believe it with all their
hearts - they can move mountains.....

I wish you all well - despite what follows this post...

Rest assured that I will write to our congress people
about Fawza Falih and her trial.....

Or did no one even know her name ?

I will also write King Abdullah about this....It must
begin somewhere TC......

: >

68.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:07 pm

Eddie, I dont need a hug I just want you to see that this is NOT a feminist issue but a human rights issue.

How dare you say that all women should unite in protest!!! All humans should unite!!!!!!!!!


And...while we are on the subject, why do you assume that people who want equal rights for women are all women? Is it also the case that people who fought for racial equality in the US were all African Americans?

69.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:21 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft'

BEIRUT, Lebanon - A leading human rights group appealed to Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah on Thursday to stop the execution of a woman accused of witchcraft and performing supernatural acts.

The New York-based Human Rights Watch said in a statement that the kingdom's religious police who arrested and interrogated Fawza Falih, and the judges who tried her in the northern town of Quraiyat never gave her the opportunity to prove her innocence in the face of "absurd charges that have no basis in law."

Falih's case underscores shortcomings in Saudi Arabia's Islamic legal system in which rules of evidence are shaky, lawyers are not always present and sentences often depend on the whim of judges.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23162712


Isn't this proof enough that they still live in the Middle Ages? Sooooooooo backwards. Really, whoever practices any religion in a literal way is just back in the 7th century with their mentality.

70.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:24 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Eddie, I dont need a hug I just want you to see that this is NOT a feminist issue but a human rights issue.

How dare you say that all women should unite in protest!!! All humans should unite!!!!!!!!!


And...while we are on the subject, why do you assume that people who want equal rights for women are all women? Is it also the case that people who fought for racial equality in the US were all African Americans?



The word 'feminist' never left my tongue AE...I can't get
anymore clear ....If you've ever even seen other posts
of mine, I have spoke of 'human right's' always....
Especially when it came to defending women in TC....

If you knew me....you would know where I stand....

Is everyone listening ?....This is, and always HAS BEEN
a HUMAN RIGHTS issue....

I ( for the last time ) thought it would be nice for a woman
of honest strength to take the reins - if she wishes.

IF not , then yes - ANYONE - ....anyone with worldly
status that can move the media, the masses, the cause.
Create and stir a movement by their clout.....

AE please get off this soapbox, put down the megaphone
and know that I am with you....

It has never been a 'feminist' issue with me....never.

: |

71.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:27 pm

Happy Valentines Day Eddie

72.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:35 pm

Eddie, would you kindly introduce yourself? I just can't keep track anymore of Aenigma's conquests... :-S

73.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:36 pm

Thank you AE....You, Ffatal, Elisabeth, Seker, Ayla,
Alameda, Roswitha, Catwoman, Bebish, PeaceTrain,
MTurkey, P/kal, Slavica

I didn't mean to leave anyone out.....

And all the women in TC are really 'Wonders' as the song states....implies....

For the guys....that is another song for another time...

Happy Valentine's to all of you.....

Ciao ...!

: >

cake anyone ?

74.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:38 pm


75.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:39 pm

Quoting eddie:

Thank you AE....You, Ffatal, Elisabeth, Seker, Ayla,
Alameda, Roswitha, Catwoman, Bebish, PeaceTrain,
MTurkey, P/kal, Slavica and of course Girleegirl...

cake anyone ?


OOOOOhhhhh!!!! Happy Lovers' Day to you too!!! Can I have a piece of the chocolate cheescake?

76.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 09:44 pm

77.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:46 pm

Quoting eddie:

Had to make sure it was on the menu...

Chocolate cheescake coming up.... : )


It looks like it is your punishment for disagreeing with the feminists eddie!!

I also like to add that I believe femme and ae were 100% right about it from the begining.
it is not only women should unite we should all unite..

and if there is going to be a change for better in the world, we (men) should start changing ourselves first.
Men should do more for it.

and and..
A.. as usual, deserves slapping actually!!

78.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:47 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


I also like to add that I believe femme...



Only because you are in lurve.

Quoting thehandsom:

and ae were 100% right about it from the begining.



Of course

79.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:49 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

It looks like it is your punishment for disagreeing with the feminists eddie!!

I also like to add that I believe femme and ae were 100% right about it from the begining.
it is not only women should unite we should all unite..

and if there is going to be a change for better in the world, we (men) should start changing ourselves first.
Men should do more for it.

and and..
A.. as usual, deserves slapping actually!!


Completely agree!!! Except that I was ALSO 100% RIGHT!!! From the VERY beginning until the very end!

80.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:49 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom:


I also like to add that I believe femme...



Only because you are in lurve.


She is just right behind me actually..I had to write it..

81.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:51 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


and and..
A.. as usual, deserves slapping actually!!



A for Aenigma?

82.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:56 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom:


and and..
A.. as usual, deserves slapping actually!!



A for Aenigma?


haha
it is Ad..s..ok?

83.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:07 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting thehandsom:

It looks like it is your punishment for disagreeing with the feminists eddie!!

I also like to add that I believe femme,catwoman and ae were 100% right about it from the begining.
it is not only women should unite we should all unite..

and if there is going to be a change for better in the world, we (men) should start changing ourselves first.
Men should do more for it.

and and..
A.. as usual, deserves slapping actually!!


Completely agree!!! Except that I was ALSO 100% RIGHT!!! From the VERY beginning until the very end!


Sorry..it is corrected now

84.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:08 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Sorry..it is corrected now


Happy lovers' day to you too then!

85.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:09 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Sorry..it is corrected now



Praising Cat is rule 301 of TC

86.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:10 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Praising Cat is rule 301 of TC


Praising Cat is a sign of your infinite wisdom, but insulting Cat is against the rule 301 of TC.

87.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:10 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Praising Cat is rule 301 of TC


Praising Cat is sign of your infinite wisdom, but insulting Cat is against the rule 301 of TC.



OK OK but....do we have to have all those photos of you everywhere we go on TC

88.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:13 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

OK OK but....do we have to have all those photos of you everywhere we go on TC


Ask adonis if he thinks we should have less pictures/statues of Cataturk! He's my faithful follower...

89.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:23 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

OK OK but....do we have to have all those photos of you everywhere we go on TC


Ask adonis if he thinks we should have less pictures/statues of Cataturk! He's my faithful follower...



are u a woman enough to be dedicated a statue for you? don't be cheeky...

90.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:26 pm

Quoting adonis:

are u a woman enough to be dedicated a statue for you? don't be cheeky...


Don't get this the wrong way... he likes to tease me! lol

91.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:30 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting adonis:

are u a woman enough to be dedicated a statue for you? don't be cheeky...


Don't get this the wrong way... he likes to tease me! lol



haven't u eaten your Whiskas today? shame on you...

92.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:31 pm

Quoting adonis:


haven't u eaten your Whiskas today? shame on you...



Hehehe you have Whiskas in Turkey too?

93.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:32 pm

Quoting adonis:

haven't u eaten your Whiskas today? shame on you...


Ado, I don't need you to defend me right now, git! hemen! out!

94.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:34 pm

Quoting adonis:

yes, don't you know it, beautiful aenigma?

now you learn it...



Thanks canim

95.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:36 pm

Ado, pls read the forum rules regarding personal insults!

96.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:36 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting adonis:

yes, don't you know it aenigma?

now you learn it...



Thanks canim



your welcome...

97.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:37 pm

Quoting adonis:

Quoting AEnigma III:



Thanks canim



your welcome darling ...



Awwwwww

98.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:37 pm

I hate to barge in on your Quicksand Party but if any of you
are interested here is a link ( for starters )....in an
effort to help save Fawza Falih.....

Remember her? That's how this all started...Human rights
Eddie !!...Why this Eddie ??....Why not that Eddie..??

You make it a feminist thing eddie !!.....

We should do this Eddie !!....We should do that eddie !!!

eddie eddie eddie...There is no logic here at times.

Ok kids...Start the wheels in motion.....You can write to:


Human Rights Watch
350 5th Ave, 34th Floor
New York, NY 10118-3229
USA
1-212-290-4700
fax 1-212-736-1300

or email:
hrwnyc@hrw.org

direct to the king:

HRH King Abdullah bin Abd al-'AzizAlSaud
Royal Court
Riyadh 11111
Saudi Arabia


- saudia18046.url


Just trying to help....nothing personal...but the
'negatives' will turn up somehow....who's first?

99.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:39 pm

Eddie you sound a bit stressed But thanks!

100.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:40 pm

I really dont think Adonis was insulting me when he called me "degenerated" - it was merely his opinion.

However, I would be very interested to learn his reasons for calling me this

101.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:40 pm

Quoting eddie:

I hate to barge in on your Quicksand Party but if any of you
are interested here is a link ( for starters )....in an
effort to help save Fawza Falih.....

Remember her? That's how this all started...Human rights
Eddie !!...Why this Eddie ??....Why not that Eddie..??

You make it a feminist thing eddie !!.....

We should do this Eddie !!....We should do that eddie !!!

eddie eddie eddie...There is no logic here at times.

Ok kids...Start the wheels in motion.....You can write to:


Human Rights Watch
350 5th Ave, 34th Floor
New York, NY 10118-3229
USA
1-212-290-4700
fax 1-212-736-1300

or email:
hrwnyc@hrw.org

direct to the king:

HRH King Abdullah bin Abd al-'AzizAlSaud
Royal Court
Riyadh 11111
Saudi Arabia


- saudia18046.url


Just trying to help....nothing personal...but the
'negatives' will turn up somehow....who's first?




as you are feminists, send e-mails to protest that event. it depends on you.

102.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:42 pm

Quoting adonis:

as you are feminists, send e-mails to protest that event. it depends on you.



Adonis I do not consider myself to be a feminist actually. I just think of myself as believing in equal rights and justice.

Don't you?

Do you not also support this? Won't you email?
This is a serious question.

103.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:42 pm

Eddie...do you need to see Dr. Treatment? I think your oven is set too high.

104.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:43 pm

Quoting adonis:


as you are feminists, send e-mails to protest that event. it depends on you.



what about you, adonis?

105.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:44 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

I really dont think Adonis was insulting me when he called me "degenerated" - it was merely his opinion.

However, I would be very interested to learn his reasons for calling me this



because you said to me that I was representing these people who apply Sheria rules.

consequently, I have the right to say you as a degenerated person. Because your culture is barbaric and only destroy the unique cultures.

As I said many times that i reject and castigate these events. if u still don't understand my sentences, it's your problem, not mine...

106.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:46 pm

Quoting adonis:

As I said many times that i reject and castigate these events. if u still don't understand my sentences, it's your problem, not mine...



I do believe you Adonis. And I believe you will also email your protest about this issue, instead of asking only feminists to do so. I believe that your religion and character will tell you it is the RIGHT thing to do

107.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:48 pm

Quoting adonis:

Quoting AEnigma III:


However, I would be very interested to learn his reasons for calling me this



because you said to me that I was representing these people who apply Sheria rules.



You misunderstood me Adonis. I was not talking about YOU personally, but all muslims who fail to speak out against these barbaric acts publically.

These people do no favours to Islam. Why are you fighting people who ask for fair human rights, instead of these extremists?

108.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:49 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting adonis:


as you are feminists, send e-mails to protest that event. it depends on you.



what about you, adonis?



I will send an e-mail to them cuz I've no fear about it.

However, I think that it won't be useful. Cuz we have no power to change the penalty.

but sending a protest e-mail is a good way to express our sadness about that death penalty. that's all...

109.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:50 pm

Quoting adonis:

I will send an e-mail to them cuz I've no fear about it.

However, I think that it won't be useful. Cuz we have no power to change the penalty.

but sending a protest e-mail is a good way to express our sadness about that death penalty. that's all...



Wonderful

110.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:54 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting adonis:

Quoting AEnigma III:


However, I would be very interested to learn his reasons for calling me this



because you said to me that I was representing these people who apply Sheria rules.



You misunderstood me Adonis. I was not talking about YOU personally, but all muslims who fail to speak out against these barbaric acts publically.

These people do no favours to Islam. Why are you fighting people who ask for fair human rights, instead of these extremists?



because Today's Islam is not civilized and becomes the toy of primitive and moron statesman. So, it's normal to face these kind of sorrowful events.

ISLAM SHOULD BE RENOVATED. IN ORDER TO RENOVATE, ALL THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES MUST ESTABLISH A NEW GENERATION TO REPRESENT THE REAL ISLAM...

111.       eddie
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:54 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Eddie...do you need to see Dr. Treatment? I think your oven is set too high.



Oh no....it's like cool water off my back...quack quack..

Thank you Texas....

I learned to swim in the ocean as an ex-Navy.....I didn't
sign up for the 'How to swim in Quicksand Cesspool Parties'.


I've done my part here....
I've some letters to write for Fawza...I suggest some of
you join me....

Ciao ...!

112.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:54 pm

Quoting adonis:

because Today's Islam is not civilized and becomes the toy of primitive and moron statesman. So, it's normal to face these kind of sorrowful events.



Then we are probably in agreement
Does that bother you

113.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:56 pm

Quoting adonis:



ISLAM SHOULD BE RENOVATED. IN ORDER TO RENOVATE, ALL THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES MUST ESTABLISH A NEW GENERATION TO REPRESENT THE REAL ISLAM...



Someone please call for Dr. Treatment....I think I agree with Adonis....It's getting dark...cold...zzzz

114.       adonis
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:59 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting adonis:

because Today's Islam is not civilized and becomes the toy of primitive and moron statesman. So, it's normal to face these kind of sorrowful events.



Then we are probably in agreement
Does that bother you



it doesn't bother me, because I'm disturbed with these type of uncivilized actions in Sheria ruled countries. please keep in mind that I'm SECULAR.

yes we are in agreement eventually...

115.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:00 am

Quoting adonis:

yes we are in agreement eventually...



See miracles do happen

116.       adonis
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:02 am

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting adonis:

yes we are in agreement eventually...



See miracles do happen



HALLELUJAH!!!

117.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:03 am

im just pasting the rest of the article


The most frequent victims are women , who already suffer severe restrictions on daily life in Saudi Arabia: They cannot drive, appear before a judge without a male representative, or travel abroad without a male guardian's permission.

What's the crime?
Witchcraft is considered an offense against Islam in the conservative kingdom.

In Falih's case, the judges who convicted her in April 2006 relied on a coerced confession and on the statements of witnesses who said she had 'bewitched' them, according to the group.

Falih retracted her confession in court, claiming it was extracted under duress, and said that as an illiterate woman, she did not understand the document she was forced to fingerprint.

'The fact that Saudi judges still conduct trials for unprovable crimes like 'witchcraft' underscores their inability to carry out objective criminal investigations,' said Joe Stork, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch.

There was no immediate comment on the statement from Saudi Arabia, where government offices are closed on Thursdays, the start of the Muslim weekend.

'Fawza Falih's case is an example of how the authorities failed to comply even with existing safeguards in the Saudi justice system,' he added.

The Saudi court cited an instance in which a man allegedly became impotent after being bewitched by Falih, the rights group said.

An appeals court ruled in September 2006 that Falih could not be sentenced to death for witchcraft because she had retracted her confession. But a lower court subsequently reissued the death sentence for the benefit of 'public interest' and to 'protect the creed, souls and property of this country,' the group's statement said.

Forced divorce
Human Rights Watch's statement came a day after Yakin Erturk, the U.N. special investigator for violence against women, wrapped up a 10-day visit to Saudi Arabia during which she highlighted another controversial case that has attracted international criticism.

Ertuk met with Fatima and Mansour al-Timani, who were forcibly divorced by the wife's family on grounds she had married someone from a lesser tribe.

The couple learned of the divorce on Feb. 25, 2006, when police knocked on their door to serve Mansour the divorce papers.

At a news conference on Wednesday, Erturk said she met the wife and husband who were in a 'terrible state of mind' and that Saudi officials had promised her arrangements would be made for the couple's reunion, according to Saudi newspaper Arab News.

so is there any letter that we could sign under?
after we discussed the subject so long and active?

118.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:03 am

Quoting adonis:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting adonis:

yes we are in agreement eventually...



See miracles do happen



HALLELUJAH!!!



Hmmm so what to talk of now
Get any Valentines cards today?

119.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:04 am

CONGRATS ADONIS!! I knew you couldn't be all that bad!

120.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:06 am

Quoting adonis:


ISLAM SHOULD BE RENOVATED. IN ORDER TO RENOVATE, ALL THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES MUST ESTABLISH A NEW GENERATION TO REPRESENT THE REAL ISLAM...


how come you can renovate or reform a thing that was established by a deity?

121.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:07 am

Femme you yourself have said that all religions need to move with the times eh?

122.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:07 am

Quoting AEnigma III:

Femme you yourself have said that all religions need to move with the times eh?



have i said so really?

123.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:09 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Femme you yourself have said that all religions need to move with the times eh?



have i said so really?



Have you not?

124.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:11 am

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Femme you yourself have said that all religions need to move with the times eh?



have i said so really?



Have you not?


somebody, defrag me

125.       adonis
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:13 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting adonis:


ISLAM SHOULD BE RENOVATED. IN ORDER TO RENOVATE, ALL THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES MUST ESTABLISH A NEW GENERATION TO REPRESENT THE REAL ISLAM...


how come you can renovate or reform a thing that was established by a deity?



the answer is blowing in the wind:

ESTABLISHING A NEW GENERATION...

give up ARROGATING all the primitive and uncivilized actions in Muslim countries to Islam. this is not Islam.

If you really know Islam, you won't write very polemical entries about that religion...

be right minded please...

126.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:18 am

Quoting adonis:


the answer is blowing in the wind:


adonis, you are trying to pee against the wind

Quoting adonis:


ESTABLISHING A NEW GENERATION...


what is this? a new revolution or what?

Quoting adonis:



give up ARROGATING all the primitive and uncivilized actions in Muslim countries to Islam. this is not Islam.


its not me, adonis, muslims do.

Quoting adonis:



If you really know Islam, you won't write very polemical entries about that religion...


pls, be kind, and dont teach me about religions

127.       adonis
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:25 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting adonis:


the answer is blowing in the wind:


adonis, you are trying to pee against the wind

Quoting adonis:


ESTABLISHING A NEW GENERATION...


what is this? a new revolution or what?

Quoting adonis:



give up ARROGATING all the primitive and uncivilized actions in Muslim countries to Islam. this is not Islam.


its not me, adonis, muslims do.

Quoting adonis:



If you really know Islam, you won't write very polemical entries about that religion...


pls, be kind, and dont teach me about religions




writing illogical, insulting (just like this: "you are trying to pee against the wind") and polemical entries still going on. I don't wanna answer your questions cuz I answered and emphasized the problem before.

I'm leaving you with your personal problem...

I hope you'll find the proper way in your life...

128.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:47 am

Quoting adonis:


I'm leaving you


adonisssssssssssss, dont leave meeeeeeeeeee!
i promise i will not text to paris anymore!

Quoting adonis:


I hope you'll find the proper ...


nooooooooooooo

129.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 12:48 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting adonis:


I'm leaving you


adonisssssssssssss, dont leave meeeeeeeeeee!
i promise i will not text to paris anymore!

Quoting adonis:


I hope you'll find the proper ...


nooooooooooooo



lol lol lol lol lol
OMG so funny

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