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Heaven or Hell?
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:00 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Elisabeth: EXACTLY!!
I would like to add that many people are turned off to religion by the "rules". I think free thought and religious thought can coexist without having to reject the idea of God. I know other people feel differently but it makes sense to me. |
I definitely agree with you. It can coexist, I don't think that faith in God has to be irrational. But I don't think that you can take literally what is said in the books.... I think that would only show a lack of imagination and simplistic thinking. For example, why are people SOOOO afraid of homosexuality? What is wrong with two men or two women loving each other romantically? That is again a lack of free thought and imagination... IMHO.  |
Fear of homosexuality is a fundamental lack of understanding that human beings would have had 2000 years ago. It went against the social norms and did not perpetuate the continuance of the human race. Back then, it was essential that people have children to ensure survival of farms, family trade...ect...I think religions saw the lack of having children as a bad thing...therefore evil...and against God. Primative thinking. I don't think it has much to do with God.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:01 pm |
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Primative thinking indeed. So why does your religion not support homosexuality or same sex marriages? 
Or is it best when confined to priests?
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:02 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: So you are catholic Cat? What is your view on the Vatican? How does it fit in with your beliefs? |
I don't care about the Vatican, as I said, I think that religion is a PRIVATE matter, a personal relationship, so obviously I don't think that Vatican should be important in anyone's lives. I have a problem with ALL hierarchies, and political institutions!
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:03 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting AEnigma III: So you are catholic Cat? What is your view on the Vatican? How does it fit in with your beliefs? |
I don't care about the Vatican, as I said, I think that religion is a PRIVATE matter, a personal relationship, so obviously I don't think that Vatican should be important in anyone's lives. I have a problem with ALL hierarchies, and political institutions! |
So you are NOT a catholic. You just think you are because of your culture 
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:05 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: So you are NOT a catholic. You just think you are because of your culture |
Thanks for telling me who I am Aenigma!!!  Please, stop putting people in boxes, ok?
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:06 pm |
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I am not trying to provoke an argument, but merely prove the point that you say you are "religious" but in fact you dont even believe in even the basics of your religion. So why say you are religious?
You can believe in God, without belonging to any religion, which after all, is just a man made hypocracy
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:10 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Primative thinking indeed. So why does your religion not support homosexuality or same sex marriages?
Or is it best when confined to priests? |
AEnigma, to be religious is an act of faith. I can't explain why I feel the way I do...I believe because it feels right. It's not rational and I am not arguing the rationality of it. I just don't appreciate being called a simpleton because I have a belief in something that you don't.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:11 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I am not trying to provoke an argument, but merely prove the point that you say you are "religious" but in fact you dont even believe in even the basics of your religion. So why say you are religious?
You can believe in God, without belonging to any religion |
Where did I say that I'm religious? You are putting words in my mouth cnm. 
Of course you can be a Catholic without following everything some priest says, even if he happens to be the pope. It's the same hierarchical mentality - that someone's always above you who "knows things better". In fact that's not true. If you're both people, you can both think for yourselves and not have to listen to anyone "just because he's the pope".
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:14 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: I just don't appreciate being called a simpleton because I have a belief in something that you don't.
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I am not calling you a simpleton, and who says I do not have a belief in God? If you are happy to question other religions, then why can I not question yours?
Shall I call myself a muslim, even though I dont actually follow any of the teachings in the Quran (except the ones that are convenient to me?).
Shall I call myself a catholic, even though I dont actually follow any of the teachings in the Bible or all its many other rictuals which the Bible actually condemns!!(except the ones that are convenient to me?)
You are confusing your belief in God with man-made laws written hundreds of years after Christ died, that is all.
Anyway, sorry, I just hate this kind of hyprocracy.
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:16 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I am not trying to provoke an argument, but merely prove the point that you say you are "religious" but in fact you dont even believe in even the basics of your religion. So why say you are religious?
You can believe in God, without belonging to any religion, which after all, is just a man made hypocracy |
It's a GREAT discussion! PLEASE lets argue!!!! 
I do believe in the BASICS of my religion....its the details I have some problems with. I do believe in God and want to worship/be thankful to him/her....that's why I go to church. I go to Catholic church because it feels good to me....thats all
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14 Feb 2008 Thu 10:17 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting AEnigma III: I am not trying to provoke an argument, but merely prove the point that you say you are "religious" but in fact you dont even believe in even the basics of your religion. So why say you are religious?
You can believe in God, without belonging to any religion, which after all, is just a man made hypocracy |
It's a GREAT discussion! PLEASE lets argue!!!!
I do believe in the BASICS of my religion....its the details I have some problems with. I do believe in God and want to worship/be thankful to him/her....that's why I go to church. I go to Catholic church because it feels good to me....thats all |
There is nothing in the bible that says you should go to Church. In fact, the bible says you should pray quietly and privately, not publically. There is nothing in the bible that says you should have a Vatican or a Pope. In fact, the bible says you should have no icons and should talk directly to God.
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