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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:19 pm

Story of the pictures:
Salee Allawe Iraqi War Victim

Salee Allawe, 9, an Iraqi victim of US air strikes photographed in Greenville, South Carolina where she received medical treatment thanks to Cole Miller and his group No More Victims. They seek to provide medical care to children injured by the US military. She traveled with her father Hussein Allawe and was cared for by local volunteers and treated at the Shriners Hospital. Salle's story is as follows: On November 7, 2006 in Hasswa, Iraq: Salee Allawe, a nine-year-old girl, was playing hopscotch outside her home with her brother, cousin and some friends when US mlitary jets fired three missiles, apparently at passenger vehicles. One missile landed where the children were playing, killing her brother and cousin and taking both of Salee's legs.
here are the pictures:







2.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:24 pm

Nice to see there are people to help with such a tragedy...but my wish is that these people would never have to go thru this in the first place. It just seems like a small consolation.

3.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Feb 2008 Thu 11:43 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Actually there was one more thing:
It was Jordan (Katie Price)
The caption goes like :
Model Katie Price, AKA Jordan, flashes a nipple at her London book launch today but also shows the horrendous scarring left by many many breast operations. The scar is surrounded by horrible stitch marks making her look more like the bride of frankenstein than a glamour puss..

here is the picture:



She is a vile woman - in looks and personality

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 07:32 pm

Another war coming soon?
Robert Fisk
Hezbollah chief threatens Israel
Speaking to the crowds of mourners via a giant video screen, Nasrallah blamed Israel for his death and said its war against the Jewish state was not over.

"Zionists, if you want this sort of open war, then let the whole world hear, so be it!" he declared.



5.       alameda
3499 posts
 15 Feb 2008 Fri 08:10 pm

Thanks for the links handsome....I found this as as sidebar on one of the links:

Trafficking: A very modern slavery

"Even once someone has managed to escape the traffickers' trap, British campaigners say authorities are far more concerned about their status as an illegal immigrant, than as a trafficked person.

Penny, for example - repeatedly imprisoned for not having the right paperwork - is convinced the man who trafficked her is still plying his trade, unmolested by the authorities. "

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Feb 2008 Sun 12:20 am

I guess, that is how the things spiral again

Blast kills senior Gaza militant
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7247983.stm

A senior militant from the Islamic Jihad movement is among at least seven people killed in an explosion in the Gaza Strip, which injured more than 40.

And some addition to child/ civilan death toll:

The wife and two of Mr Fayed's children were killed in the blast, Palestinian medics said.

==============================
Danish Muhammad cartoon reprinted

Danish newspapers have reprinted one of several caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad which sparked violent protests across the Muslim world in 2005.

They say they wanted to show their commitment to freedom of speech after an alleged plot to kill one of the cartoonists behind the drawings.

7.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 17 Feb 2008 Sun 01:08 pm

QUOTE OF THE DAY:-

"We don't have much. What we have in excess is women. So if you want them we can give a few of those to you, some tens of thousands."

MAO ZEDONG
China's former leader, attempting to barter the country's women during trade discussions with the U.S. in 1973, according to a document released Thursday by the State Department's historian office.

8.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 17 Feb 2008 Sun 02:32 pm

Kosova is being independent and known by EU...

So what about KKTC?

9.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Feb 2008 Sun 02:50 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Kosova is being independent and known by EU...
So what about KKTC?


The whole cypus issue is still a huge mystry to me.
I sincerely believe Turkey had right to invade in 1974 and this right came from the Treaty of Guarantee.
But somehow Turkey could not persuade anybody..

10.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 17 Feb 2008 Sun 07:18 pm

femme fatals small cat

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11.       Leelu
1746 posts
 17 Feb 2008 Sun 11:41 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

femme fatals small cat


did it look something like this?

FF small cat

12.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 17 Feb 2008 Sun 11:44 pm

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

femme fatals small cat


did it look something like this?

FF small cat


lol lol
sometimes she looks like that lol

but sui thinks of that huge fat amerikan Cat lol

13.       Leelu
1746 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:15 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

femme fatals small cat


did it look something like this?

FF small cat


lol lol
sometimes she looks like that lol

but sui thinks of that huge fat amerikan Cat lol



Must be more like this then!!!

14.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:28 am

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

femme fatals small cat


did it look something like this?

FF small cat


lol lol
sometimes she looks like that lol

but sui thinks of that huge fat amerikan Cat lol



Must be more like this then!!!



that must be her sister lol

have you seen my pics?

15.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:29 am

what my eye caught today and yesterday.

we suddenly do not have the amerikan part of fat ass gang!

have dudus kidnapped lis, teas and girleegirl?

16.       Leelu
1746 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:31 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

what my eye caught today and yesterday.

we suddenly do not have the amerikan part of fat ass gang!

have dudus kidnapped lis, teas and girleegirl?

Maybe they got caught up in the TC bermuda triangle

17.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:34 am

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting femme_fatal:

what my eye caught today and yesterday.

we suddenly do not have the amerikan part of fat ass gang!

have dudus kidnapped lis, teas and girleegirl?

Maybe they got caught up in the TC bermuda triangle


No kidnapping here. I have the flu and just couldn't get up off my giagantic fat ass too much this weekend.

18.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:37 am

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting femme_fatal:

what my eye caught today and yesterday.

we suddenly do not have the amerikan part of fat ass gang!

have dudus kidnapped lis, teas and girleegirl?

Maybe they got caught up in the TC bermuda triangle


No kidnapping here. I have the flu and just couldn't get up off my giagantic fat ass too much this weekend.



You bed lazy girl

19.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:42 am

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting femme_fatal:

what my eye caught today and yesterday.

we suddenly do not have the amerikan part of fat ass gang!

have dudus kidnapped lis, teas and girleegirl?

Maybe they got caught up in the TC bermuda triangle


No kidnapping here. I have the flu and just couldn't get up off my giagantic fat ass too much this weekend.


well, hope the flu wont affect on your fat ass!

20.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:42 am

I have it all figured out now...if I quit going to work I will not be exposed to all the sickness that is spread by my co-workers and will be healthy enough to stay in TC!! God I am brilliant!!!

21.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:43 am

Quoting femme_fatal:


well, hope the flu wont affect on your fat ass!


Oh no! It is far too fat to let a few days of not eating have any impact!

22.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 10:53 am

wow..Finally, Fidel Castro leaves the office.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7252109.stm

23.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 12:14 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

wow..Finally, Fidel Castro leaves the office.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7252109.stm



It is very sad I don't think Cuba will ever be the same again. Castro was a good leader and proved that communism CAN work in the right envionment - it was a great tribute to Che Guavara. I give it 5 years before we see it corrupted by the US again - drugs, prostitution, McDonalds on every corner

24.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 12:21 pm

Please tell me you were being sarcastic here Aenigma...

25.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 12:29 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom:

wow..Finally, Fidel Castro leaves the office.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7252109.stm



It is very sad I don't think Cuba will ever be the same again. Castro was a good leader and proved that communism CAN work in the right envionment - it was a great tribute to Che Guavara. I give it 5 years before we see it corrupted by the US again - drugs, prostitution, McDonalds on every corner


I agree..I am quite sad too.
He was a great leader.
He showed the entire world what a 'real independence for a country' might be.

26.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 01:01 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Please tell me you were being sarcastic here Aenigma...



Not at all. I think of Cuba as my second home and know that the majority of Cubans have been very happy living under Castro's rule. They have 98% literacy and a health care system that is one of the best in the world. They are also one of the leading manufacturers of pharmaceuticals. While their economy is by no means perfect in recent years, it is vastly better for the average Cuban than under it's previous regime. Why are you so shocked?

27.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:10 pm

I am shocked because, having been brought up in a communistic country, I would never believe somebody being astonished by that system. You mentioned a great tribute to CheGuevara. If it is your policy to praise mass murderers, slaughterers of children and women, a person glorifying hate, a person responsible for numerous people being tortured. In a book by Humberto Fontova "Fidel; Hollywood´s Favorite Tyrant" El Commendante is depicted as a coward and a baby killer. If he's one of your role-models then I'm already scared of you! I know it's kind of trendy to wear Che Guevara t-shirts and thinking he was a great revolutionary. Right. So was Stalin and Hitler.

A land of welfare in Cuba? Sure. First of all, the health policy. Do you know how they dealt with HIV? Then enforced compulsory tests and imprisoned/put to death those tested positive. Now the Cubans are healthy As for being happy with the regime...well..nobody in communistic countries dared to claim otherwise. Even though the Cubans are victims of a touristic apertheid, they don't complain. And neither do the tourists - they see great beaches, happy waiters, great food and think...Geezz..is that heaven or what? Behind the touristic areas, the world suddenly stops being so beautiful. But, hey! Who cares? A holiday in Cuba is wonderful so Cuba must be wonderful too!

Aenigma, spend some time living in a world which deprives you of your basic rights like the freedom of speech and then praise it.

28.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:29 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:


Some facts about health welfare from cuba:

HEALTHCARE, CUBAN

Life expectancy at birth: male 75.11; female: 79.85 (US: 75.02; 80.82).
Infant mortality rate: 6.22 deaths per 1,000 live births (US: 6.43).
HIV/Aids adult prevalence rate: < 0.1 per cent (US: 0.6 per cent).
HIV/Aids deaths per 100,000 per year: 4.4 (US: 5.4).
Physicians per 1,000 population: 5.91 (US: 2.56).
Hospital beds per 10,000 population: 49 (US: 33).
Per capita GDP: $3,649 (US: $39,901) .
========
I think above shows how Castro has been successful about the healthcare.
Note that they have ACHIEVED those results with "Per capita GDP: $3,649"

29.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:35 pm

Dear Daydreamer. Castro always refused to call himself a communist - just Cubanist. He did not ban religion or impose many of the restrictions that other communist countries enforced.

Perhaps they should return to the US Mafia controlled Cuba - where apartheid was stricter than South Africa and rich Americans raped it's resources.

PS Dont assume to know me, or my knowledge of Cuba (which was not based on chatting to a few waiters whilst lazing on the beach).

30.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:37 pm

Fantastic! I then believe the whole world should take measures to keep up with Fidel's policy. Why hasn't it happened yet? Could it be that great minds are never appreciated?

I wish we never brought down communism. It must have been a perfect system but the stupid Poles, Czechosklovakians, Yugoslavians and other just couldn't take it...You know, I remember that the health care in Poland during communism was great. Free of charge, unlimited coverage. People were earning quite a lot, housing was state-credited so basically you would get a flat for free. And yet people didn't like it...Maybe they weren't as smart as the Brits and Americans who gave us to uncle Stalin in Yalta. Know what? You could have kept that goodness for yourselves. Then you'd have a life of dreams as it is in Cuba

31.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:41 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:



PS Dont assume to know me, or my knowledge of Cuba (which was not based on chatting to a few waiters whilst lazing on the beach).



I never said your opinions were based on chatting to waiters, I gave it as a general example of people's idea about Cuba. Actually, you might even be a Cuban refugee - I would have no knowledge about it. I am nevertheless shocked that an educated person as yourself supports mass murderers and calls dictators saviours.

Regards

32.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:47 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Fantastic! I then believe the whole world should take measures to keep up with Fidel's policy.


Haha
I would agree with above:
Some more facts about cuba:

Cuba’s National Institute for Economic Research (INIE) and the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) makes an extremely favourable assessment of social and economic development in Cuba in recent years.


Until 1989, Cuba’s social policy led to very significant advances in education, health care, social security, employment and distribution. The collapse of the socialist bloc, as well as other internal and external factors, caused a severe crisis that peaked in 1993, dealing a blow to almost all the country’s social indicators


Cuba is an ‘interesting case’ of ‘growth with justice, as it has dealt simultaneously with economic and social problems’, using an integral development model which, over the past four decades, has increased social welfare and equity, despite the collapse of the socialist bloc, the underlying crisis and external restrictions


Cuban model are of great use in the international consideration of the opportunities for achieving productive development with equity’

the link is here:
http://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/analisis/881.asp

33.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:49 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

I am nevertheless shocked that an educated person as yourself supports mass murderers and calls dictators saviours.

Regards



Please could you enlighten me about the "mass murder". Are you talking about the Bay of Pigs?

Also - do you think the apartheid US rule was better?

34.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:06 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:



Please could you enlighten me about the "mass murder". Are you talking about the Bay of Pigs?



With pleasure, in mid '60s Che and Fidel were setting up concentration camps for anti-socialists and juvenile delinquents, needles to say, homosexuals and artists were among them too - the whole unnecessary element of society (and they weren't incarcerated in order to be treated). The death rate there was about 50%

A rough estimate accredits Che Guevara with 700 to 1700 people slaughtered either directly or at his command. "Hate is an element of fight (...) transcends natural human limits (...)and turns him into a ruthless killing machine.

In 1965 he was fighting against imperialism in Kenia and Tanzania and again, his trail was one of blood and terror. Finally Bolivian peasants gave him away to the police and they ended the scruffy life of this monster.

That's for mass murders - concentration camps are enough for Fidel, but Che deserved his own piece

Quote:

Also - do you think the apartheid US rule was better?



I don't think whatever Americans do is better. If they weren't so influential, their interference with the world's politics would be considered tyranny and they'd be judged for crimes against humanity as well.

35.       libralady
5152 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:24 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom:

wow..Finally, Fidel Castro leaves the office.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7252109.stm



It is very sad I don't think Cuba will ever be the same again. Castro was a good leader and proved that communism CAN work in the right envionment - it was a great tribute to Che Guavara. I give it 5 years before we see it corrupted by the US again - drugs, prostitution, McDonalds on every corner



In some respects I agree but others I don't. Yes, as schooling and medical systems are second to none. But Cuba is a country bathed in poverty where a waiter can earn as much money as a physician. They still have to queue for basic food and still have ration books. The buidings are crumbling and drugs are rife as is prostitution. Where the poor hunt street cats for a decent meal.

Cuba has a repressive regime, Cuban's can not leave their country unless they are on tour with music or acrobat or part of a circus shows. The tour guides are monitored for what they say to their guests. Sadly many children of the rich and successful were sent to Florida when Castor came to power in 1959, never to see their families again.

But also, I do not agree that America should get their hands on Cuba, but a democratic government now be sought, not replace Castro with Rafael. But we all know why Cuba is so interesting to America - it has oil, suprisingly enough.

One word on Che, he did a lot of good work for lepers and was one of the first Doctors to actually touch a leper.

36.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:25 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:


A rough estimate accredits Che Guevara with 700 to 1700 people slaughtered either directly or at his command. "Hate is an element of fight (...) transcends natural human limits (...)and turns him into a ruthless killing machine.

In 1965 he was fighting against imperialism in Kenia and Tanzania and again, his trail was one of blood and terror. Finally Bolivian peasants gave him away to the police and they ended the scruffy life of this monster.

That's for mass murders - concentration camps are enough for Fidel, but Che deserved his own piece


I promise to come back on this topic daydreamer..

37.       teaschip
3870 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:31 pm

Just simply ask a cuban amercian what they think of Castro..unlike Cubans who have no free press or polling who knows how they really feel about him.

38.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 07:16 pm

Hehe I will come back to this subject too! Unfortunately I will be offline for a week or so (to let you all catch up with my number of posts ).

However, it is always interesting to see how people can have two completely opposite opinions on the same subject. I love it

39.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 07:46 pm

Come on! You can't leave me in the middle of an argument for a whole week ya! What if Daydreamer the Nice will renew her Dead Poets' Society membership?

40.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 07:51 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Come on! You can't leave me in the middle of an argument for a whole week ya! What if Daydreamer the Nice will renew her Dead Poets' Society membership?



Awwwww dont make me argue NOW I had a busy day!!

41.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 07:52 pm

Tamam, having a busy day is an excuse. I'll let you regroup your troops and get back to this topic when you're in the mood

42.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 07:54 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Tamam, having a busy day is an excuse. I'll let you regroup your troops and get back to this topic when you're in the mood



Hehehehehehe lol (and maybe check a few of my facts before posting hehehe! )

43.       lalisia
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 07:54 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:


I wish we never brought down communism. It must have been a perfect system but the stupid Yugoslavians and other just couldn't take it...



You may joke on it, but maybe we are really stupid, because in that time, we had a best times of our lives!..and who tells else is telling the lies!

44.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 08:08 pm

Oh yes, apart from the absolutely free education and health system, we had camps in NRD, Bulgaria and Artek (to all those NOT from the Soviet Block, Artek was an international scout camp in USSR). I remember my mom buying me dairy products and baby shoes using a Child's Book of Medical Health, all children wearing the same clothes, standing 3 days in a queue to buy a colour TV or Cuban oranges before Christmas. Yes, those were the days. My father was almost expelled from a Technical University for not wanting to become a Party member (I'm not sure what's it like in English but the Party is Polish United Labour Party - the only one there was). We didn't have to worry about elections - everything was known beforehand and the support for the Party was always 99%...great times...

Maybe it was different in Croatia, but Poland is much better now than before. Sure, the transformation period was and still is tough, but we're getting better and better and I am sure it'll be the same in Croatia, just give it some time

45.       lalisia
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 08:36 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh yes, apart from the absolutely free education and health system, we had camps in NRD, Bulgaria and Artek (to all those NOT from the Soviet Block, Artek was an international scout camp in USSR). I remember my mom buying me dairy products and baby shoes using a Child's Book of Medical Health, all children wearing the same clothes, standing 3 days in a queue to buy a colour TV or Cuban oranges before Christmas. Yes, those were the days. My father was almost expelled from a Technical University for not wanting to become a Party member (I'm not sure what's it like in English but the Party is Polish United Labour Party - the only one there was). We didn't have to worry about elections - everything was known beforehand and the support for the Party was always 99%...great times...

Maybe it was different in Croatia, but Poland is much better now than before. Sure, the transformation period was and still is tough, but we're getting better and better and I am sure it'll be the same in Croatia, just give it some time



Sure it was different in Croatia! I remember when my parents built a house, bought a car..like a very young couple, remember my mom buying me everything I wished,we went to trip every summer, every winter...
Now young couples living in rent apartments, but their earnings(if they have a job) are barely covering rents! And what about overhead expenses, food, clothes...?
Now they have to decide will they buy some food for their children or some clothes...no need to list other.
I am happy now for finding a good job..but big number of my family and friends are not! And if this is transformation period, it last to long, all one generation is living trough it..I only hope my children are not gonna be ones to fell it too.

46.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 08:41 pm

So, don't you think that if it hadn't been for years of ruining your country's economy by the communists, you might be living like your Italian or Greek neighbours? The thing is, communist countries (except for China which has a free market) don't let their economy develop. It seemed better then, but it wouldn't last forever. I'm sure you experienced inflation etc...

47.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 10:56 pm

As I promised to daydreamer

Jean-Paul Sartre, about Che Guevara "the most complete human being of our age".

I first saw his picture whan I was 15 (I think).

(it was with the red background)
And There was a turkish writing underneath something like 'let the death come where ever it comes from .....then we will welcome to death'.
The first thing I remember thinking of him was 'wow what a heroic looking guy'
Later on, when I learnt more about him, there was no doubt in my mind:'He was going to be one my heros'.
And he is a hero to me. Most romantic one of all my heros.
Daydream, you have no idea what you are talking about him.
You just read something about him and that is all..
You should read more about a subject before jumping into ignorant-primitive conclusions..

Anyway
Some passages from 'gergous' George galloway about him:


Ernesto “Che” Guevara Lynch, who was murdered by United States agents under orders from Washington 40 years ago, is the face of global rebellion.

He inspires all the more intensely since he could have lived a prosperous bourgeois life as an Argentine dentist. Instead, and despite asthma, he chose a life of action, a motorcycle diarist, a comandante in a triumphant Cuban revolutionary army, a guerrilla leader in the Congo, a martyr in the mountain gulleys of Bolivia.

By the time Che Guevara met Fidel Castro a year later he was a rebel. After, he was a revolutionary. Guevara had absolutely no military background and signed on with Fidel as the rebel “army’s” doctor. In the mountains of eastern Cuba in the late 1950s he became a military leader and a strategist of revolutionary warfare of the first order. It was an old-fashioned ethos: lead your men (and women) from the front and don’t ask them to do anything you aren’t prepared to do with them.

Those who would traduce Che, Fidel and the Cuban revolutionaries must say what Cuba would be like now if that dictatorship had held on – Haiti, the most hellish place in the Western hemisphere is literally not far from Cuba, but metaphorically in a different universe.

Che, in particular, defies the right-wing stereotype of the ice-cold, cunning revolutionist. He said that ‘the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality.’

Even as Cuba, in the grip of the US’s embargo, looked to the Soviet Union for support, Che was prepared to criticise the bureaucratism he saw in Moscow.

Instead of settling down in Havana, he set out to spread revolution in Congo, where the great Patrice Lumumba had been murdered in a UN-supported coup. Nelson Mandela paid tribute to the Cuban role in Africa’s liberation struggle. ‘On his release from prison he went to Cuba, rather than any other capital in the world, beneath an illumination of Che’s image, Mandela lifted his hands aloft and said: ‘See how far we slaves have come!’‘

Even the coldest of latter-day Cold Warriors must have been moved by the recent story that a Cuban medical team last year saved the sight of Mario Teran, the Bolivian sergeant who executed Che.

Which leaves the liberals, who say that they too, as Che put it, ‘. . . tremble with indignation at every injustice,’

She said she had been there when Guevara had died. She said she was 19 at the time. Then she cast a look around her and said, ‘Look at us. Nothing has changed since then. El Commandante came too soon. We were ignorant and did not understand him… We abandoned him… and here we are just as we were before he came, or maybe even worse.’ “


george galloway about che

And some quotes from Che:

If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.

At the risk of sounding ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by feelings of love.

I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves.

It is not a matter of wishing success to the victim of aggression, but of sharing his fate; one must accompany him to his death or to victory.

Many will call me an adventurer - and that I am, only one of a different sort: one of those who risks his skin to prove his platitudes.

There is no other definition of socialism valid for us than that of the abolition of the exploitation of man by man.

I would rather die standing up, then live life on my knees.
(And That is what he said before he died)
I know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, you are only going to kill a man.

Daydreams?
is any of your heros can die the way he died?
Well mine did!!

48.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 10:58 pm

Quoting thehandsom:



I have to confess to having a bit of "a thing" about Che. I also have to admit he was damn sexy! lol

(Sorry Adonis )

49.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 11:04 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

As I promised to daydreamer
About El comandate:
Jean-Paul Sartre, about Che Guevara "the most complete human being of our age".

I first saw his picture whan I was 15 (I think).

(it was with the red background)
And There was a turkish writing underneath something like 'let the death come where ever it comes from .....then we will welcome to death'.
The first thing I remember thinking of him was 'wow what a heroic looking guy'
Later on, when I learnt more about him, there was no doubt in my mind:'He was going to be one my heros'.
And he is a hero to me. Most romantic one of all my heros.
Daydream, you have no idea what you are talking about him.
You just read something about him and that is all..
You should read more about a subject before jumping into ignorant-primitive conclusions..

Anyway
Some passages from 'gergous' George galloway about him:


Ernesto “Che” Guevara Lynch, who was murdered by United States agents under orders from Washington 40 years ago, is the face of global rebellion.

He inspires all the more intensely since he could have lived a prosperous bourgeois life as an Argentine dentist. Instead, and despite asthma, he chose a life of action, a motorcycle diarist, a comandante in a triumphant Cuban revolutionary army, a guerrilla leader in the Congo, a martyr in the mountain gulleys of Bolivia.

By the time Che Guevara met Fidel Castro a year later he was a rebel. After, he was a revolutionary. Guevara had absolutely no military background and signed on with Fidel as the rebel “army’s” doctor. In the mountains of eastern Cuba in the late 1950s he became a military leader and a strategist of revolutionary warfare of the first order. It was an old-fashioned ethos: lead your men (and women) from the front and don’t ask them to do anything you aren’t prepared to do with them.

Those who would traduce Che, Fidel and the Cuban revolutionaries must say what Cuba would be like now if that dictatorship had held on – Haiti, the most hellish place in the Western hemisphere is literally not far from Cuba, but metaphorically in a different universe.

Che, in particular, defies the right-wing stereotype of the ice-cold, cunning revolutionist. He said that ‘the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality.’

Even as Cuba, in the grip of the US’s embargo, looked to the Soviet Union for support, Che was prepared to criticise the bureaucratism he saw in Moscow.

Instead of settling down in Havana, he set out to spread revolution in Congo, where the great Patrice Lumumba had been murdered in a UN-supported coup. Nelson Mandela paid tribute to the Cuban role in Africa’s liberation struggle. ‘On his release from prison he went to Cuba, rather than any other capital in the world, beneath an illumination of Che’s image, Mandela lifted his hands aloft and said: ‘See how far we slaves have come!’‘

Even the coldest of latter-day Cold Warriors must have been moved by the recent story that a Cuban medical team last year saved the sight of Mario Teran, the Bolivian sergeant who executed Che.

Which leaves the liberals, who say that they too, as Che put it, ‘. . . tremble with indignation at every injustice,’

She said she had been there when Guevara had died. She said she was 19 at the time. Then she cast a look around her and said, ‘Look at us. Nothing has changed since then. El Commandante came too soon. We were ignorant and did not understand him… We abandoned him… and here we are just as we were before he came, or maybe even worse.’ “


george galloway about che

And some quotes from Che:

If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.

At the risk of sounding ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by feelings of love.

I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves.

It is not a matter of wishing success to the victim of aggression, but of sharing his fate; one must accompany him to his death or to victory.

Many will call me an adventurer - and that I am, only one of a different sort: one of those who risks his skin to prove his platitudes.

There is no other definition of socialism valid for us than that of the abolition of the exploitation of man by man.

I would rather die standing up, then live life on my knees.
(And That is what he said before he died)
I know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, you are only going to kill a man.

Daydreams?
is any of your heros can die the way he died?
Well mine did!!



Sorry, I covered this wonderful post, so re-posted Would recommend anyone interested to watch The Motorcycle Diaries - beautiful film.

50.       lalisia
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 11:10 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

So, don't you think that if it hadn't been for years of ruining your country's economy by the communists, you might be living like your Italian or Greek neighbours? The thing is, communist countries (except for China which has a free market) don't let their economy develop. It seemed better then, but it wouldn't last forever. I'm sure you experienced inflation etc...


Sure it was inflation, we are not in paradise, but it lasted less than this transformation period. Anyway...sometimes I'm a bit nostalgic.And about now what ever we call it, hope it's gonna pass soon.

51.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 11:49 pm

Finally, Dr. Treatment has arrived!!!

52.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:49 am

Quoting thehandsom:

As I promised to daydreamer

Jean-Paul Sartre, about Che Guevara "the most complete human being of our age".



Thehandsom, feel free to admire whoever you want, but he is as much of a hero as Adolf Hitler is. There are worldwide organizations praising the latter although he hasn't become as commercialised a symbol as Che Guevara did. I recall a saying that even killing one person shows there's something wrong with you. If you think the pool of blood Che Guevara is responsible of still makes him your romantic (sic!) hero - I'm speechless. I have read his biography so it's not really that I know nothing about him. Here's something I found online - a bit lengthy but being such a fan, you may want to give it some time:

"No man is without some redeeming qualities. In the case of Che Guevara, those qualities may help us to measure the gulf that separates reality from myth. His honesty (well, partial honesty) meant that he left written testimony of his cruelties, including the really ugly, though not the ugliest, stuff. His courage—what Castro described as “his way, in every difficult and dangerous moment, of doing the most difficult and dangerous thing”—meant that he did not live to take full responsibility for Cuba’s hell. Myth can tell you as much about an era as truth. And so it is that thanks to Che’s own testimonials to his thoughts and his deeds, and thanks also to his premature departure, we may know exactly how deluded so many of our contemporaries are about so much.

Guevara might have been enamored of his own death, but he was much more enamored of other people’s deaths. In April 1967, speaking from experience, he summed up his homicidal idea of justice in his “Message to the Tricontinental”: “hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine.” His earlier writings are also peppered with this rhetorical and ideological violence. Although his former girlfriend Chichina Ferreyra doubts that the original version of the diaries of his motorcycle trip contains the observation that “I feel my nostrils dilate savoring the acrid smell of gunpowder and blood of the enemy,” Guevara did share with Granado at that very young age this exclamation: “Revolution without firing a shot? You’re crazy.” At other times the young bohemian seemed unable to distinguish between the levity of death as a spectacle and the tragedy of a revolution’s victims. In a letter to his mother in 1954, written in Guatemala, where he witnessed the overthrow of the revolutionary government of Jacobo Arbenz, he wrote: “It was all a lot of fun, what with the bombs, speeches, and other distractions to break the monotony I was living in.”

Guevara’s disposition when he traveled with Castro from Mexico to Cuba aboard the Granma is captured in a phrase in a letter to his wife that he penned on January 28, 1957, not long after disembarking, which was published in her book Ernesto: A Memoir of Che Guevara in Sierra Maestra: “Here in the Cuban jungle, alive and bloodthirsty.” This mentality had been reinforced by his conviction that Arbenz had lost power because he had failed to execute his potential enemies. An earlier letter to his former girlfriend Tita Infante had observed that “if there had been some executions, the government would have maintained the capacity to return the blows.” It is hardly a surprise that during the armed struggle against Batista, and then after the triumphant entry into Havana, Guevara murdered or oversaw the executions in summary trials of scores of people—proven enemies, suspected enemies, and those who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

In January 1957, as his diary from the Sierra Maestra indicates, Guevara shot Eutimio Guerra because he suspected him of passing on information: “I ended the problem with a .32 caliber pistol, in the right side of his brain.... His belongings were now mine.” Later he shot Aristidio, a peasant who expressed the desire to leave whenever the rebels moved on. While he wondered whether this particular victim “was really guilty enough to deserve death,” he had no qualms about ordering the death of Echevarría, a brother of one of his comrades, because of unspecified crimes: “He had to pay the price.” At other times he would simulate executions without carrying them out, as a method of psychological torture.

Luis Guardia and Pedro Corzo, two researchers in Florida who are working on a documentary about Guevara, have obtained the testimony of Jaime Costa Vázquez, a former commander in the revolutionary army known as “El Catalán,” who maintains that many of the executions attributed to Ramiro Valdés, a future interior minister of Cuba, were Guevara’s direct responsibility, because Valdés was under his orders in the mountains. “If in doubt, kill him” were Che’s instructions. On the eve of victory, according to Costa, Che ordered the execution of a couple dozen people in Santa Clara, in central Cuba, where his column had gone as part of a final assault on the island. Some of them were shot in a hotel, as Marcelo Fernándes-Zayas, another former revolutionary who later became a journalist, has written—adding that among those executed, known as casquitos, were peasants who had joined the army simply to escape unemployment.


But the “cold-blooded killing machine” did not show the full extent of his rigor until, immediately after the collapse of the Batista regime, Castro put him in charge of La Cabaña prison. (Castro had a clinically good eye for picking the right person to guard the revolution against infection.) San Carlos de La Cabaña was a stone fortress used to defend Havana against English pirates in the eighteenth century; later it became a military barracks. In a manner chillingly reminiscent of Lavrenti Beria, Guevara presided during the first half of 1959 over one of the darkest periods of the revolution. José Vilasuso, a lawyer and a professor at Universidad Interamericana de Bayamón in Puerto Rico, who belonged to the body in charge of the summary judicial process at La Cabaña, told me recently that

Che was in charge of the Comisión Depuradora. The process followed the law of the Sierra: there was a military court and Che’s guidelines to us were that we should act with conviction, meaning that they were all murderers and the revolutionary way to proceed was to be implacable. My direct superior was Miguel Duque Estrada. My duty was to legalize the files before they were sent on to the Ministry. Executions took place from Monday to Friday, in the middle of the night, just after the sentence was given and automatically confirmed by the appellate body. On the most gruesome night I remember, seven men were executed.

Javier Arzuaga, the Basque chaplain who gave comfort to those sentenced to die and personally witnessed dozens of executions, spoke to me recently from his home in Puerto Rico. A former Catholic priest, now seventy-five, who describes himself as “closer to Leonardo Boff and Liberation Theology than to the former Cardinal Ratzinger,” he recalls that

there were about eight hundred prisoners in a space fit for no more than three hundred: former Batista military and police personnel, some journalists, a few businessmen and merchants. The revolutionary tribunal was made of militiamen. Che Guevara presided over the appellate court. He never overturned a sentence. I would visit those on death row at the galera de la muerte. A rumor went around that I hypnotized prisoners because many remained calm, so Che ordered that I be present at the executions. After I left in May, they executed many more, but I personally witnessed fifty-five executions. There was an American, Herman Marks, apparently a former convict. We called him “the butcher” because he enjoyed giving the order to shoot. I pleaded many times with Che on behalf of prisoners. I remember especially the case of Ariel Lima, a young boy. Che did not budge. Nor did Fidel, whom I visited. I became so traumatized that at the end of May 1959 I was ordered to leave the parish of Casa Blanca, where La Cabaña was located and where I had held Mass for three years. I went to Mexico for treatment. The day I left, Che told me we had both tried to bring one another to each other’s side and had failed. His last words were: “When we take our masks off, we will be enemies.”

How many people were killed at La Cabaña? Pedro Corzo offers a figure of some two hundred, similar to that given by Armando Lago, a retired economics professor who has compiled a list of 179 names as part of an eight-year study on executions in Cuba. Vilasuso told me that four hundred people were executed between January and the end of June in 1959 (at which point Che ceased to be in charge of La Cabaña). Secret cables sent by the American Embassy in Havana to the State Department in Washington spoke of “over 500.” According to Jorge Castañeda, one of Guevara’s biographers, a Basque Catholic sympathetic to the revolution, the late Father Iñaki de Aspiazú, spoke of seven hundred victims. Félix Rodríguez, a CIA agent who was part of the team in charge of the hunt for Guevara in Bolivia, told me that he confronted Che after his capture about “the two thousand or so” executions for which he was responsible during his lifetime. “He said they were all CIA agents and did not address the figure,” Rodríguez recalls. The higher figures may include executions that took place in the months after Che ceased to be in charge of the prison.

Which brings us back to Carlos Santana and his chic Che gear. In an open letter published in El Nuevo Herald on March 31 of this year, the great jazz musician Paquito D’Rivera castigated Santana for his costume at the Oscars, and added: “One of those Cubans [at La Cabaña] was my cousin Bebo, who was imprisoned there precisely for being a Christian. He recounts to me with infinite bitterness how he could hear from his cell in the early hours of dawn the executions, without trial or process of law, of the many who died shouting, ‘Long live Christ the King!’”


Che’s lust for power had other ways of expressing itself besides murder. The contradiction between his passion for travel—a protest of sorts against the constraints of the nation-State—and his impulse to become himself an enslaving state over others is poignant. In writing about Pedro Valdivia, the conquistador of Chile, Guevara reflected: “He belonged to that special class of men the species produces every so often, in whom a craving for limitless power is so extreme that any suffering to achieve it seems natural.” He might have been describing himself. At every stage of his adult life, his megalomania manifested itself in the predatory urge to take over other people’s lives and property, and to abolish their free will.

In 1958, after taking the city of Sancti Spiritus, Guevara unsuccessfully tried to impose a kind of sharia, regulating relations between men and women, the use of alcohol, and informal gambling—a puritanism that did not exactly characterize his own way of life. He also ordered his men to rob banks, a decision that he justified in a letter to Enrique Oltuski, a subordinate, in November of that year: “The struggling masses agree to robbing banks because none of them has a penny in them.” This idea of revolution as a license to re-allocate property as he saw fit led the Marxist Puritan to take over the mansion of an emigrant after the triumph of the revolution.

The urge to dispossess others of their property and to claim ownership of others’ territory was central to Guevara’s politics of raw power. In his memoirs, the Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser records that Guevara asked him how many people had left his country because of land reform. When Nasser replied that no one had left, Che countered in anger that the way to measure the depth of change is by the number of people “who feel there is no place for them in the new society.” This predatory instinct reached a pinnacle in 1965, when he started talking, God-like, about the “New Man” that he and his revolution would create.

Che’s obsession with collectivist control led him to collaborate on the formation of the security apparatus that was set up to subjugate six and a half million Cubans. In early 1959, a series of secret meetings took place in Tarará, near Havana, at the mansion to which Che temporarily withdrew to recover from an illness. That is where the top leaders, including Castro, designed the Cuban police state. Ramiro Valdés, Che’s subordinate during the guerrilla war, was put in charge of G-2, a body modeled on the Cheka. Angel Ciutah, a veteran of the Spanish Civil War sent by the Soviets who had been very close to Ramón Mercader, Trotsky’s assassin, and later befriended Che, played a key role in organizing the system, together with Luis Alberto Lavandeira, who had served the boss at La Cabaña. Guevara himself took charge of G-6, the body tasked with the ideological indoctrination of the armed forces. The U.S.-backed Bay of Pigs invasion in April 1961 became the perfect occasion to consolidate the new police state, with the rounding up of tens of thousands of Cubans and a new series of executions. As Guevara himself told the Soviet ambassador Sergei Kudriavtsev, counterrevolutionaries were never “to raise their head again.”


“Counterrevolutionary” is the term that was applied to anyone who departed from dogma. It was the communist synonym for “heretic.” Concentration camps were one form in which dogmatic power was employed to suppress dissent. History attributes to the Spanish general Valeriano Weyler, the captain-general of Cuba at the end of the nineteenth century, the first use of the word “concentration” to describe the policy of surrounding masses of potential opponents—in his case, supporters of the Cuban independence movement—with barbed wire and fences. How fitting that Cuba’s revolutionaries more than half a century later were to take up this indigenous tradition. In the beginning, the revolution mobilized volunteers to build schools and to work in ports, plantations, and factories—all exquisite photo-ops for Che the stevedore, Che the cane-cutter, Che the clothmaker. It was not long before volunteer work became a little less voluntary: the first forced labor camp, Guanahacabibes, was set up in western Cuba at the end of 1960. This is how Che explained the function performed by this method of confinement: “[We] only send to Guanahacabibes those doubtful cases where we are not sure people should go to jail ... people who have committed crimes against revolutionary morals, to a lesser or greater degree.... It is hard labor, not brute labor, rather the working conditions there are hard.”

This camp was the precursor to the eventual systematic confinement, starting in 1965 in the province of Camagüey, of dissidents, homosexuals, AIDS victims, Catholics, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Afro-Cuban priests, and other such scum, under the banner of Unidades Militares de Ayuda a la Producción, or Military Units to Help Production. Herded into buses and trucks, the “unfit” would be transported at gunpoint into concentration camps organized on the Guanahacabibes mold. Some would never return; others would be raped, beaten, or mutilated; and most would be traumatized for life, as Néstor Almendros’s wrenching documentary Improper Conduct showed the world a couple of decades ago.


So Time magazine may have been less than accurate in August 1960 when it described the revolution’s division of labor with a cover story featuring Che Guevara as the “brain” and Fidel Castro as the “heart” and Raúl Castro as the “fist.” But the perception reflected Guevara’s crucial role in turning Cuba into a bastion of totalitarianism. Che was a somewhat unlikely candidate for ideological purity, given his bohemian spirit, but during the years of training in Mexico and in the ensuing period of armed struggle in Cuba he emerged as the communist ideologue infatuated with the Soviet Union, much to the discomfort of Castro and others who were essentially opportunists using whatever means were necessary to gain power. When the would-be revolutionaries were arrested in Mexico in 1956, Guevara was the only one who admitted that he was a communist and was studying Russian. (He spoke openly about his relationship with Nikolai Leonov from the Soviet Embassy.) During the armed struggle in Cuba, he forged a strong alliance with the Popular Socialist Party (the island’s Communist Party) and with Carlos Rafael Rodríguez, a key player in the conversion of Castro’s regime to communism.

This fanatical disposition made Che into a linchpin of the “Sovietization” of the revolution that had repeatedly boasted about its independent character. Very soon after the barbudos came to power, Guevara took part in negotiations with Anastas Mikoyan, the Soviet deputy prime minister, who visited Cuba. He was entrusted with the mission of furthering Soviet-Cuban negotiations during a visit to Moscow in late 1960. (It was part of a long trip in which Kim Il Sung’s North Korea was the country that impressed him “the most.”) Guevara’s second trip to Russia, in August 1962, was even more significant, because it sealed the deal to turn Cuba into a Soviet nuclear beachhead. He met Khrushchev in Yalta to finalize details on an operation that had already begun and involved the introduction of forty-two Soviet missiles, half of which were armed with nuclear warheads, as well as launchers and some forty-two thousand soldiers. After pressing his Soviet allies on the danger that the United States might find out what was happening, Guevara obtained assurances that the Soviet navy would intervene—in other words, that Moscow was ready to go to war.

According to Philippe Gavi’s biography of Guevara, the revolutionary had bragged that “this country is willing to risk everything in an atomic war of unimaginable destructiveness to defend a principle.” Just after the Cuban missile crisis ended—with Khrushchev reneging on the promise made in Yalta and negotiating a deal with the United States behind Castro’s back that included the removal of American missiles from Turkey—Guevara told a British communist daily: “If the rockets had remained, we would have used them all and directed them against the very heart of the United States, including New York, in our defense against aggression.” And a couple of years later, at the United Nations, he was true to form: “As Marxists we have maintained that peaceful coexistence among nations does not include coexistence between exploiters and the exploited.”

Guevara distanced himself from the Soviet Union in the last years of his life. He did so for the wrong reasons, blaming Moscow for being too soft ideologically and diplomatically, for making too many concessions—unlike Maoist China, which he came to see as a haven of orthodoxy. In October 1964, a memo written by Oleg Daroussenkov, a Soviet official close to him, quotes Guevara as saying: “We asked the Czechoslovaks for arms; they turned us down. Then we asked the Chinese; they said yes in a few days, and did not even charge us, stating that one does not sell arms to a friend.” In fact, Guevara resented the fact that Moscow was asking other members of the communist bloc, including Cuba, for something in return for its colossal aid and political support. His final attack on Moscow came in Algiers, in February 1965, at an international conference, where he accused the Soviets of adopting the “law of value,” that is, capitalism. His break with the Soviets, in sum, was not a cry for independence. It was an Enver Hoxha–like howl for the total subordination of reality to blind ideological orthodoxy.


The great revolutionary had a chance to put into practice his economic vision—his idea of social justice—as head of the National Bank of Cuba and of the Department of Industry of the National Institute of Agrarian Reform at the end of 1959, and, starting in early 1961, as minister of industry. The period in which Guevara was in charge of most of the Cuban economy saw the near-collapse of sugar production, the failure of industrialization, and the introduction of rationing—all this in what had been one of Latin America’s four most economically successful countries since before the Batista dictatorship.

His stint as head of the National Bank, during which he printed bills signed “Che,” has been summarized by his deputy, Ernesto Betancourt: “[He] was ignorant of the most elementary economic principles.” Guevara’s powers of perception regarding the world economy were famously expressed in 1961, at a hemispheric conference in Uruguay, where he predicted a 10 percent rate of growth for Cuba “without the slightest fear,” and, by 1980, a per capita income greater than that of “the U.S. today.” In fact, by 1997, the thirtieth anniversary of his death, Cubans were dieting on a ration of five pounds of rice and one pound of beans per month; four ounces of meat twice a year; four ounces of soybean paste per week; and four eggs per month.

Land reform took land away from the rich, but gave it to the bureaucrats, not to the peasants. (The decree was written in Che’s house.) In the name of diversification, the cultivated area was reduced and manpower distracted toward other activities. The result was that between 1961 and 1963, the harvest was down by half, to a mere 3.8 million metric tons. Was this sacrifice justified by progress in Cuban industrialization? Unfortunately, Cuba had no raw materials for heavy industry, and, as a consequence of the revolutionary redistribution, it had no hard currency with which to buy them—or even basic goods. By 1961, Guevara was having to give embarrassing explanations to the workers at the office: “Our technical comrades at the companies have made a toothpaste ... which is as good as the previous one; it cleans just the same, though after a while it turns to stone.” By 1963, all hopes of industrializing Cuba were abandoned, and the revolution accepted its role as a colonial provider of sugar to the Soviet bloc in exchange for oil to cover its needs and to re-sell to other countries. For the next three decades, Cuba would survive on a Soviet subsidy of somewhere between $65 billion and $100 billion.


Having failed as a hero of social justice, does Guevara deserve a place in the history books as a genius of guerrilla warfare? His greatest military achievement in the fight against Batista—taking the city of Santa Clara after ambushing a train with heavy reinforcements—is seriously disputed. Numerous testimonies indicate that the commander of the train surrendered in advance, perhaps after taking bribes. (Gutiérrez Menoyo, who led a different guerrilla group in that area, is among those who have decried Cuba’s official account of Guevara’s victory.) Immediately after the triumph of the revolution, Guevara organized guerrilla armies in Nicaragua, the Dominican Republic, Panama, and Haiti—all of which were crushed. In 1964, he sent the Argentine revolutionary Jorge Ricardo Masetti to his death by persuading him to mount an attack on his native country from Bolivia, just after representative democracy had been restored to Argentina.

Particularly disastrous was the Congo expedition in 1965. Guevara sided with two rebels—Pierre Mulele in the west and Laurent Kabila in the east—against the ugly Congolese government, which was sustained by the United States as well as by South African and exiled Cuban mercenaries. Mulele had taken over Stanleyville earlier before being driven back. During his reign of terror, as V.S. Naipaul has written, he murdered all the people who could read and all those who wore a tie. As for Guevara’s other ally, Laurent Kabila, he was merely lazy and corrupt at the time; but the world would find out in the 1990s that he, too, was a killing machine. In any event, Guevara spent most of 1965 helping the rebels in the east before fleeing the country ignominiously. Soon afterward, Mobutu came to power and installed a decades-long tyranny. (In Latin American countries too, from Argentina to Peru, Che-inspired revolutions had the practical result of reinforcing brutal militarism for many years.)

In Bolivia, Che was defeated again, and for the last time. He misread the local situation. There had been an agrarian reform years before; the government had respected many of the peasant communities’ institutions; and the army was close to the United States despite its nationalism. “The peasant masses don’t help us at all” was Guevara’s melancholy conclusion in his Bolivian diary. Even worse, Mario Monje, the local communist leader, who had no stomach for guerrilla warfare after having been humiliated at the elections, led Guevara to a vulnerable location in the southeast of the country. The circumstances of Che’s capture at Yuro ravine, soon after meeting the French intellectual Régis Debray and the Argentine painter Ciro Bustos, both of whom were arrested as they left the camp, was, like most of the Bolivian expedition, an amateur’s affair.

Guevara was certainly bold and courageous, and quick at organizing life on a military basis in the territories under his control, but he was no General Giap. His book Guerrilla Warfare teaches that popular forces can beat an army, that it is not necessary to wait for the right conditions because an insurrectional foco (or small group of revolutionaries) can bring them about, and that the fight must primarily take place in the countryside. (In his prescription for guerrilla warfare, he also reserves for women the roles of cooks and nurses.) However, Batista’s army was not an army, but a corrupt bunch of thugs with no motivation and not much organization; and guerrilla focos, with the exception of Nicaragua, all ended up in ashes for the foquistas; and Latin America has turned 70 percent urban in these last four decades. In this regard, too, Che Guevara was a callous fool."

source:





Alvaro Vargas Llosa

53.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:54 am

Oh, and I forgot about an inspiring pic just as you did

54.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:03 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, and I forgot about an inspiring pic just as you did


You are day dreaming..

55.       ciko
784 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:11 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, and I forgot about an inspiring pic just as you did


You are day dreaming..



lol lol +2321

56.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:11 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:

As I promised to daydreamer

Jean-Paul Sartre, about Che Guevara "the most complete human being of our age".



Thehandsom, feel free to admire whoever you want, but he is as much of a hero as Adolf Hitler is. There are worldwide organizations praising the latter although he hasn't become as commercialised a symbol as Che Guevara did. I recall a saying that even killing one person shows there's something wrong with you. If you think the pool of blood Che Guevara is responsible of still makes him your romantic (sic!) hero - I'm speechless. I have read his biography so it's not really that I know nothing about him. Here's something I found online - a bit lengthy but being such a fan, you may want to give it some time:


I will read it later on..
But day dreaming girl, he was not working for a charity..
He was a revolutionist with his Kalashnikov in one hand.
The other hand?
He was carrying a torch and trying to light the fire of freedom as he went along from one country to another.

He was the most heroic of all the revolutionists in the world.
And he will remain that way..

57.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:11 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, and I forgot about an inspiring pic just as you did


You are day dreaming..



That's what I do for life. But at least I don't make murderers my heroes, comrade

58.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:12 pm

It's amazing how you can look at one person in such different lights, depending on the "spin". Anyway, he is still my hero!

59.       ciko
784 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:14 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Anyway, he is still my hero!



maybe because you have not suffered from communism in your life

60.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:15 pm

Quoting ciko:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Anyway, he is still my hero!



maybe because you have not suffered from communism in your life



True - but Cuba can hardly be compared to the USSR

61.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:16 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


He was the most heroic of all the revolutionists in the world.
And he will remain that way..



Yeap and glory be to Adolf Hitler who helped Germany overcome a crisis and was driven by ideology. With revolutionaries ideology comes before the worth of a human life so...what did you say? Revolution demands victims? And Stalin? He was a revolutionary as well. Many paid for his ideas. And it's no use to say Che was better than them. Socialism (or national-socialism in case of Hitler's) is represented by unnecessary deaths, and all of the great revolutionaries are guilty as charged. You may lick the blood of their hands and call murder a necessity. It is up to your conscience. I cannot.

62.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:18 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:


He was the most heroic of all the revolutionists in the world.
And he will remain that way..



Yeap and glory be to Adolf Hitler who helped Germany overcome a crisis and was driven by ideology. With revolutionaries ideology comes before the worth of a human life so...what did you say? Revolution demands victims? And Stalin? He was a revolutionary as well. Many paid for his ideas. And it's no use to say Che was better than them. Socialism (or national-socialism in case of Hitler's) is represented by unnecessary deaths, and all of the great revolutionaries are guilty as charged. You may lick the blood of their hands and call murder a necessity. It is up to your conscience. I cannot.



You cannot compare Che Guavara to Stalin or Hitler!!!!! lol

63.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:20 pm

Oh, can't I? Right....Hitler and Stalin hardly ever murdered people with their own hands like Che did

64.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:21 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, can't I? Right....Hitler and Stalin hardly ever murdered people with their own hands like Che did



Hahahahaha! No - they murdered thousands with calm orders and from their comfortable houses

65.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:22 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, can't I? Right....Hitler and Stalin hardly ever murdered people with their own hands like Che did



Hahahahaha! No - they murdered thousands with calm orders and from their comfortable houses



Oh so now I see what you love him for so much...he did not make others do the dirty work True, if you want something to be done the right way, you have to do it yourself

66.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:25 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:

As I promised to daydreamer

Jean-Paul Sartre, about Che Guevara "the most complete human being of our age".



Thehandsom, feel free to admire whoever you want, but he is as much of a hero as Adolf Hitler is. There are worldwide organizations praising the latter although he hasn't become as commercialised a symbol as Che Guevara did. I recall a saying that even killing one person shows there's something wrong with you. If you think the pool of blood Che Guevara is responsible of still makes him your romantic (sic!) hero - I'm speechless. I have read his biography so it's not really that I know nothing about him. Here's something I found online - a bit lengthy but being such a fan, you may want to give it some time:


I will read it later on..
But day dreaming girl, he was not working for a charity..
He was a revolutionist with his Kalashnikov in one hand.
The other hand?
He was carrying a torch and trying to light the fire of freedom as he went along from one country to another.

He was the most heroic of all the revolutionists in the world.
And he will remain that way..


lol
whats result of his revolution?
was it fruitful?

67.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:27 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:


He was the most heroic of all the revolutionists in the world.
And he will remain that way..



Yeap and glory be to Adolf Hitler who helped Germany overcome a crisis and was driven by ideology. With revolutionaries ideology comes before the worth of a human life so...what did you say? Revolution demands victims? And Stalin? He was a revolutionary as well. Many paid for his ideas. And it's no use to say Che was better than them. Socialism (or national-socialism in case of Hitler's) is represented by unnecessary deaths, and all of the great revolutionaries are guilty as charged. You may lick the blood of their hands and call murder a necessity. It is up to your conscience. I cannot.


You have no idea what you are talking about. do you? lol

ps..I always suspected that some eastern block ignorant women would think 'ah, in old days, I could not buy any stockings . because there was not any. so, down with revolutionists. Now we have marks and spencers and I can even buy thongs. long live democracy'
lol

68.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:28 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

It's amazing how you can look at one person in such different lights, depending on the "spin". Anyway, he is still my hero!


oh, no.
cut the crap down, aenigma.

69.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:29 pm

I am interested Daydreamer, do you think that Cuba should have remained as it was? Do you think Haiti is a better example to set in the Caribbean?

There are many false facts "created" about both Che and Castro with good reason. They embarassed the US and have effectively been a country under seige ever since Castro took power. They defeated the US at the Bay of Pigs and the US has never forgiven them for it (the mafia were also a little bit put out ). The CIA have been trying to kill him for years!!!! They hate him with a passion for embarassing them in this way.

Only yesterday I heard someone on the news saying "how could Castro be a good leader when it is known he had millions of dollars! This "fact" was soon corrected and the BBC apologised for their error. They had read this "fact" in Forbes rich list. Forbes is well known to despise Castro and made up these figures in his book! lol

In fact Castro has NO MONEY at all. His children all worked in factories as soon as leaving school, and he lives a modest life. He is not a hyprocrite living in comfort (like leaders of so-called communism).

70.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:31 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, and I forgot about an inspiring pic just as you did


You are day dreaming..



That's what I do for life. But at least I don't make murderers my heroes, comrade



I have seriously enjoyed readibg your discussion about Che and revolutionaries. It was very informative.

But on a lighter note, the discussion made me recall my first thought when I saw the picture femme uploaded of me. I had felt honoured that she would think I had an air of Che about me, now I'm not so sure :-S

71.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:33 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

It's amazing how you can look at one person in such different lights, depending on the "spin". Anyway, he is still my hero!


oh, no.
cut the crap down, aenigma.



72.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:35 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


You have no idea what you are talking about. do you? lol

ps..I always suspected that some eastern block ignorant women would think 'ah, in old days, I could not buy any stockings . because there was not any. so, down with revolutionists. Now we have marks and spencers and I can even buy thongs. long live democracy'
lol



I wonder what makes me more ignorant - the fact that I am a woman or that I am from the eastern block? Actually when the communism came down I was 11 years old so buying stockings was not really my problem.

I'm sure that you, being a Turk (I'm guessing so) and a male, have possessed the world's wisdom and by definition have the right to have the only right views. If you think arguments are about calling names - my sincere congratulations. How about me calling you a donkey? Would that help me put across my ideas? Very convincing that would be Unfortunately that's not my way of exchanging thoughts.

So, dear thehandson, grab a gun and follow your god. Don't let ignorant eastern women stand in your way. Those who think otherwise can always be slaughtered, right?

73.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:40 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:


You have no idea what you are talking about. do you? lol

ps..I always suspected that some eastern block ignorant women would think 'ah, in old days, I could not buy any stockings . because there was not any. so, down with revolutionists. Now we have marks and spencers and I can even buy thongs. long live democracy'
lol



I wonder what makes me more ignorant - the fact that I am a woman or that I am from the eastern block? Actually when the communism came down I was 11 years old so buying stockings was not really my problem.

I'm sure that you, being a Turk (I'm guessing so) and a male, have possessed the world's wisdom and by definition have the right to have the only right views. If you think arguments are about calling names - my sincere congratulations. How about me calling you a donkey? Would that help me put across my ideas? Very convincing that would be Unfortunately that's not my way of exchanging thoughts.

So, dear thehandson, grab a gun and follow your god. Don't let ignorant eastern women stand in your way. Those who think otherwise can always be slaughtered, right?


Ok Ok
apologies!!
calling names is not my style anyway.
But I will still insist that 'you have no idea what you are talking about' though..

74.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:41 pm

Reply to my post you bed girl!!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

I am interested Daydreamer, do you think that Cuba should have remained as it was? Do you think Haiti is a better example to set in the Caribbean?

There are many false facts "created" about both Che and Castro with good reason. They embarassed the US and have effectively been a country under seige ever since Castro took power. They defeated the US at the Bay of Pigs and the US has never forgiven them for it (the mafia were also a little bit put out ). The CIA have been trying to kill him for years!!!! They hate him with a passion for embarassing them in this way.

Only yesterday I heard someone on the news saying "how could Castro be a good leader when it is known he had millions of dollars! This "fact" was soon corrected and the BBC apologised for their error. They had read this "fact" in Forbes rich list. Forbes is well known to despise Castro and made up these figures in his book! lol

In fact Castro has NO MONEY at all. His children all worked in factories as soon as leaving school, and he lives a modest life. He is not a hyprocrite living in comfort (like leaders of so-called communism).

75.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:46 pm

OOps..sorry AE, I just missed it. Still, I am afraid you won't like my answer anyway. I cannot tell what I think would have happened if it hadn't been for Fidel. Disappointing as it may be, I am no fortune teller and thus I am unable to speculate what would have happened if, and definitely I am terrible at guessing what would have been better. All I can do is to be critical about the past...

76.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:51 pm

The trouble is you are judging both Castro and Che by US "hype".

Do you know that the US publically DENIED any involvement in the Bay of Pigs? It is only since a timeline was released by the National Security Archives that we know that they sent approximately 1,400 CIA special forces to overthrow Castro? They were so sure of victory that Kennedy even cancelled air strikes. They were, as we know defeated.

77.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:51 pm

Oh, about media distorting the image of Fidel, you have an absolute point there. Media is about manipulation and distortion. But the fact that he lives up to his ideals doesn't mean he has the right to impose his ways on the whole society, does it?

Have you read Margareth Atwood's "The Handsmaid's Tale"? (The film sucks but the book is great) There is a line "there are two kinds of freedom: the freedom of something and the freedom to do something."

Even if we agree that basic needs of Cubans are provided for, they have no freedom. Now we can debate what's important - to have a full medical care or to be able to speak for ourselves. How free are Cubans?

78.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:55 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

The trouble is you are judging both Castro and Che by US "hype".

Do you know that the US publically DENIED any involvement in the Bay of Pigs? It is only since a timeline was released by the National Security Archives that we know that they sent approximately 1,400 CIA special forces to overthrow Castro? They were so sure of victory that Kennedy even cancelled air strikes. They were, as we know defeated.



Me the US advocate? Please...I love all the moments when US nosey nose gets stuck in dung It's great to see them taken down a peg or two. Like I said, I cannot be a judge in Cuba vs US case. All I can say is that Cuba's alleged welfare is a lie

79.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:01 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Even if we agree that basic needs of Cubans are provided for, they have no freedom. Now we can debate what's important - to have a full medical care or to be able to speak for ourselves. How free are Cubans?



I am no communist, or supporter of it, but it DOES WORK in Cuba and Cubans are more free than they have ever been in Cuba's history (if we discount the murdered original inhabitants!). They have been African slaves and Spanish aristocrats, then mafia/US controlled with complete segregation (worse than South Africa EVER was). It is not a perfect society, but their standard of living is a damn sight better than the rest of the Caribbean, where only the rich and white enjoy such "freedom".

80.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:04 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:


There are many false facts 'created' about both Che and Castro with good reason. They embarassed the US and have effectively been a country under seige ever since Castro took power. They defeated the US at the Bay of Pigs and the US has never forgiven them for it (the mafia were also a little bit put out ). The CIA have been trying to kill him for years!!!! They hate him with a passion for embarassing them in this way.


actually, dear it would not be a deal for US to crush down little cuba. all in all cuba is not on other side of the earth. but USA allowed cuba to stay as it is. they definelty did their parts to abolish the old goat at request of cuban opposition. but US didnt succeed.
btw, if it was ussr neighboring with a little country that was not socialist it would have been consumated in a second. the whole neighbourhood of ussr was under control of ussr except for japan.

but usa has different politics.

i dont think cuba was enbrassing usa. which way? the way that cubans flee from castro's cuba to usa?

Quoting AEnigma III:



Only yesterday I heard someone on the news saying 'how could Castro be a good leader when it is known he had millions of dollars! This 'fact' was soon corrected and the BBC apologised for their error. They had read this 'fact' in Forbes rich list. Forbes is well known to despise Castro and made up these figures in his book! lol


this is a crap. mass media does it to every politician

Quoting AEnigma III:


In fact Castro has NO MONEY at all. His children all worked in factories as soon as leaving school, and he lives a modest life. He is not a hyprocrite living in comfort (like leaders of so-called communism).


OMG lol
osama ben laden also lives a very modest life

81.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:09 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:


I am no communist, or supporter of it, but it DOES WORK in Cuba and Cubans are more free than they have ever been in Cuba's history (if we discount the murdered original inhabitants!). They have been African slaves and Spanish aristocrats, then mafia/US controlled with complete segregation (worse than South Africa EVER was). It is not a perfect society, but their standard of living is a damn sight better than the rest of the Caribbean, where only the rich and white enjoy such "freedom".



ah, now i understand, you comparing cuba to other carribean world lol

82.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:10 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

blah blah blah



Femme you are unable to be objective when you here the word "communism"

Quoting femme_fatal:

blah blah blah



Agree!

Quoting femme_fatal:

blah blah blah



Bin Ladan? What the hell has he got to do this this!!! You are obsessed you evil borat lol

83.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:15 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:



You are right, Femme



Agree!

Quoting AEnigma III:



I want to move to Cuba, since im in love with Castro many years now.



oh, that explains everything now

84.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:16 pm

Quote:

Quoting femme_fatal:

I want to move to Cuba, since im in love with Castro many years now.



oh, that explains everything now



Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

85.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:21 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:



I am no communist, or supporter of it, but it DOES WORK in Cuba and Cubans are more free than they have ever been in Cuba's history (if we discount the murdered original inhabitants!). They have been African slaves and Spanish aristocrats, then mafia/US controlled with complete segregation (worse than South Africa EVER was). It is not a perfect society, but their standard of living is a damn sight better than the rest of the Caribbean, where only the rich and white enjoy such "freedom".



Awesome, why then so many people cannot somehow deign to understand how lucky they are and try to make it for the terrible US swimming on rafts? Why is there an underground not willing to gratefully accept Fidel's mercy?

Hey, I have another country on my mind - not a communist country, and much richer than Cuba - The Arab Emirates. People are fed there, have gorgeous cars, good educational system and medical too (my friend worked there for a while so I have first hand news). Well, human rights may be an issue but, does it really matter if your stomach's full? Does it really matter if it's a commie Cuba or an Islamist Emirates? Human rights are secondary to nutritional needs. At least that's what I am reading from your posts.

86.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:22 pm

Offfff I got bored with arguing now Shall we just agree to differ?

87.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:25 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Offfff I got bored with arguing now Shall we just agree to differ?



you better give up and admit that you were walking in a huge mistake for many many years.

88.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:31 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Offfff I got bored with arguing now Shall we just agree to differ?



motion seconded. I have no intention of convincing anybody because:

"My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes." lol

OT AE weren't you supposed to be out for a week?

89.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:40 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

OT AE weren't you supposed to be out for a week?



Well... a week from tomorrow and my internet doesn't seem to be disconnected yet Sorry lol lol lol

90.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:47 pm

Great! And I spent half a night getting green thinking about you gone to some hot exotic beach :-S

91.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 02:02 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Daydreamer:

OT AE weren't you supposed to be out for a week?



Well... a week from tomorrow and my internet doesn't seem to be disconnected yet Sorry lol lol lol


great, we are gonna miss now two brits: aenigma and peacetrain!

92.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 05:30 pm

that one of the former admins (although still in power) uploaded a poorly damaged part of a poor human being as a joke!

this former admin was annoyed with a piece of art that was upoladed yesterday. but surely the former admin (who is still power) decided that its ok to use such picture as a joke.

i think we have a person whos not normal and very obssessive with certain members of TC.
we shall wait until the former admin grows up.

93.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 05:33 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

that one of the former admins (although still in power) uploaded a poorly damaged part of a poor human being as a joke!

this former admin was annoyed with a piece of art that was upoladed yesterday. but surely the former admin (who is still power) decided that its ok to use such picture as a joke.

i think we have a person whos not normal and very obssessive with certain members of TC.
we shall wait until the former admin grows up.



OMG
I guess it doesn't matter showing a poor deformed person as a joke - just so long as they are not wearing scanty clothing.

If she truly wants to avoid stereotypes over body image, then why has she not called this person "beautiful" too, as per her other pic?

94.       teaschip
3870 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 05:43 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

that one of the former admins (although still in power) uploaded a poorly damaged part of a poor human being as a joke!

this former admin was annoyed with a piece of art that was upoladed yesterday. but surely the former admin (who is still power) decided that its ok to use such picture as a joke.

i think we have a person whos not normal and very obssessive with certain members of TC.
we shall wait until the former admin grows up.



Here is the thing, Femme your's was totally funny, humorous in a playful way. I find her pic to be offensive..that poor human, whatever happened to them and their disability shouldn't be exploited on a TC Site.

95.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 05:46 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

their disability shouldn't be exploited on a TC Site.


not only here in TC but also anywhere else!

btw, our former admin is the future doctor?

96.       teaschip
3870 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 05:48 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting teaschip1:

their disability shouldn't be exploited on a TC Site.


not only here in TC but also anywhere else!

btw, our former admin is the future doctor?



Agree, it's just bad taste. Future doctor?

97.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 06:04 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting teaschip1:

their disability shouldn't be exploited on a TC Site.


not only here in TC but also anywhere else!

btw, our former admin is the future doctor?



It was a disgusting thing to do and that person should be ashamed.

I have been fortunate enough to have children of all capabilities in my class. Some with severe and global barriers to learning (learning in the mainstream sense of the word). But these children enrich the lives of others and they DO make contributions to society. Although they may not 'learn' in the conventional sense, they DO learn and it is wonderful to see them blossom.

btw being a doctor doesn't mean one has the moral/ethical high ground http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman .

98.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 07:46 pm

some members definetly should go and see dr treatment! lol

99.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 08:05 pm

More Test for British citizenship !!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7253933.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7254926.stm

Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the UK should expect a "demonstration of commitment" and the process of becoming a citizen should be "more exacting".

And the big theme is that migrants will need to take extra steps to "earn" citizenship and become fully-paid up members of society.

In future, they will need to spend the next sixt(y) to eight(y) years proving their worth to the UK.

They will have to obey the law and where possible prove they are "active citizens".

Acceptable activities could include proof of voluntary work, of being involved in local groups or the school parent-teacher association. Migrants will need to find referees to vouch for these good deeds.
===
Phew!!!!

100.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 08:08 pm

I am just so sad ... that this was not in force when thehandsom came to the UK

101.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 08:11 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

More Test for British citizenship !!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7253933.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7254926.stm

Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the UK should expect a "demonstration of commitment" and the process of becoming a citizen should be "more exacting".

And the big theme is that migrants will need to take extra steps to "earn" citizenship and become fully-paid up members of society.

In future, they will need to spend the next sixt(y) to eight(y) years proving their worth to the UK.

They will have to obey the law and where possible prove they are "active citizens".

Acceptable activities could include proof of voluntary work, of being involved in local groups or the school parent-teacher association. Migrants will need to find referees to vouch for these good deeds.
===
Phew!!!!


why do you still care for citizenship proceedings? lol

102.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 08:15 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:


why do you still care for citizenship proceedings? lol


I was planing to bring my parents, sisters, brothers, cousins, nieces, nephews, my friends from high school, uni etc..

103.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 08:20 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting femme_fatal:


why do you still care for citizenship proceedings? lol


I was planing to bring my parents, sisters, brothers, cousins, nieces, nephews, my friends from high school, uni etc..


I guess you have them 99? lol
we say every borat has a little family of 99 other borats lol

104.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 08:45 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:


I guess you have them 99? lol
we say every borat has a little family of 99 other borats lol


OMG femme are you sure about this relationship with handsom???? Can you imagine what life will be like with another 99 hairy handsom's running around your house? Just think of all the lint rollers you will need to keep all that shedded hair off your burka!

105.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 09:27 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:


I guess you have them 99? lol
we say every borat has a little family of 99 other borats lol


OMG femme are you sure about this relationship with handsom???? Can you imagine what life will be like with another 99 hairy handsom's running around your house? Just think of all the lint rollers you will need to keep all that shedded hair off your burka!


lol
dont worry, you see we both are natural, i love his hair, and he loves my fat ass. thats why he will never leave each other.

106.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 09:32 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:


lol
dont worry, you see we both are natural, i love his hair, and he loves my fat ass. thats why he will never leave each other.


Awww true love conquers all...even grotesque hair all over the place! My heart is warmed by your devotion.

107.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 09:41 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:


lol
dont worry, you see we both are natural, i love his hair, and he loves my fat ass. thats why he will never leave each other.


Awww true love conquers all...even grotesque hair all over the place! My heart is warmed by your devotion.



you see, you bed westerners can learn much from easterners.
plus you bed mearikans font have a culture at all, like us historical easterners

108.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 09:42 pm

and plus, you westerners have no morales at all.
all you do is stalk.

109.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 09:56 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

and plus, you westerners have no morales at all.
all you do is stalk.





Oops, you are not mine to stalk...sorry...I will get it together here!

110.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:03 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

and plus, you westerners have no morales at all.
all you do is stalk.



111.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:22 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

that one of the former admins (although still in power) uploaded a poorly damaged part of a poor human being as a joke!

this former admin was annoyed with a piece of art that was upoladed yesterday. but surely the former admin (who is still power) decided that its ok to use such picture as a joke.

i think we have a person whos not normal and very obssessive with certain members of TC.
we shall wait until the former admin grows up.


Maybe somebody else needs to grow up here, who sadly only points fingers, doesn't refrain from calling offensive names at whim and looks like also disrespects animals.
The picture of foam I uploaded is not making fun of a person with a disability, it's a congenital lack of brain that's incompatible with life. I said that this is foam, and didn't make fun of it. I made fun of foam, not a disability.

112.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:24 pm

Is anyone stalking Cat?


113.       teaschip
3870 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:27 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Is anyone stalking Cat?




DR.TREATMENT

114.       alameda
3499 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:28 pm

Quoting catwoman:

The picture of foam I uploaded is not making fun of a person with a disability, it's a congenital lack of brain that's incompatible with life. I said that this is foam, and didn't make fun of it. I made fun of foam, not a disability.



Everything else aside....it is a curious photo. Is that a newborn? If so, can you give more information? Things like gestation time, how long it lived and other educational information?

The ears are very odd, not really human looking.

I've seen some pretty odd human embryo abnormalities, this looks like one of those.

115.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:32 pm

Here you go Alameda: anencephaly

116.       teaschip
3870 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:41 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Here you go Alameda: anencephaly



The reason I was disgusted with this picture is because my brothers baby was born with this, I knew exactely what the pic was. Perfect from his neck down..was born with half a brain. No rhyme or reason..but obviously didn't live. It was quite shocking..

117.       alameda
3499 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:45 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Here you go Alameda: anencephaly



Very interesting, thank you.

118.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:45 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

The reason I was disgusted with this picture is because my brothers baby was born with this, I knew exactely what the pic was. Perfect from his neck down..was born with half a brain. No rhyme or reason..but obviously didn't live. It was quite shocking..


I'm sorry to hear about it, I'll remove the picture for you.

119.       teaschip
3870 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:52 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

The reason I was disgusted with this picture is because my brothers baby was born with this, I knew exactely what the pic was. Perfect from his neck down..was born with half a brain. No rhyme or reason..but obviously didn't live. It was quite shocking..


I'm sorry to hear about it, i'll remove the picture for you.



Thanks Cat..Believe me I knew what your intentions were and I always like a good laugh. I just couldn't laugh at this one..since it hit home, that's all.

120.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 10:58 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Thanks Cat..Believe me I knew what your intentions were and I always like a good laugh. I just couldn't laugh at this one..since it hit home, that's all.


Well, foam uploaded a rat picture and called me a bitch because I didn't like Aenigma's painting... I'm wondering who's the sick one here.
Anyways, thanks for understanding. I'm really sorry about your brother's child, it's extremely sad.

121.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:04 pm

I am just relieved that my "Me in Islanbul during Snowstorm" has been such a success

No complaints so far and 13 people clicked for a closer look lol

122.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:07 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

I am just relieved that my "Me in Islanbul during Snowstorm" has been such a success

No complaints so far and 13 people clicked for a closer look lol



Its a wonderful picture....why don't you post the one of you in Istanbul in the Dark? It's my favorite of you. I have it in a frame next to the one of you, femme and me in cooking glass.

123.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:09 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

I am just relieved that my "Me in Islanbul during Snowstorm" has been such a success

No complaints so far and 13 people clicked for a closer look lol


Well since you mention it...I am a bit disturbed by the white supremacist undertones of the photo!

124.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:10 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Well since you mention it...I am a bit disturbed by the white supremacist undertones of the photo!



Grrrrrrrrr!

125.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:11 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:



126.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:15 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting girleegirl:

Well since you mention it...I am a bit disturbed by the white supremacist undertones of the photo!



Grrrrrrrrr!


What???

127.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:29 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:


I guess you have them 99? lol
we say every borat has a little family of 99 other borats lol


OMG femme are you sure about this relationship with handsom???? Can you imagine what life will be like with another 99 hairy handsom's running around your house? Just think of all the lint rollers you will need to keep all that shedded hair off your burka!


and another 99 fat ass femme in the same house?

128.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:31 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:


I guess you have them 99? lol
we say every borat has a little family of 99 other borats lol


OMG femme are you sure about this relationship with handsom???? Can you imagine what life will be like with another 99 hairy handsom's running around your house? Just think of all the lint rollers you will need to keep all that shedded hair off your burka!


and another 99 fat ass femme in the same house?



handsom, I hope your geek job pays well!!

129.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:35 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:


handsom, I hope your geek job pays well!!


Uhh, lis...could you slow down on posting today. I am still not feeling well and all this stalking is wearing me out!

130.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 11:37 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Elisabeth:


handsom, I hope your geek job pays well!!


Uhh, lis...could you slow down on posting today. I am still not feeling well and all this stalking is wearing me out!



I know you stalk me because you love me....so you will just have to keep up.....Hey, does anyone watch Nip/Tuck....there was a stalker story line on it...good stuff!!

131.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 21 Feb 2008 Thu 01:09 am

Quoting Elisabeth:


I know you stalk me because you love me....so you will just have to keep up.....Hey, does anyone watch Nip/Tuck....there was a stalker story line on it...good stuff!!


Sorry, I missed this one earlier.

132.       admin
752 posts
 21 Feb 2008 Thu 08:37 am

Please let's watch the language in the forums. Writing "f... off" is not more acceptable than writing it openly. If there is a complaint about a user you can send me an e-mail or private message instead of getting into a personal quarrel.

133.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Feb 2008 Thu 01:33 pm

IS THIS THE CRAZIEST STAG DO PRANK EVER?
man at race
caption says:
horses belting towards the finishing line when a streaker on his stag do risked life and limb to run out on to the race course to join them, at Moruya racetrack, new South Wales, Australia, on the 16th of February 2008. Jockey Tracy O'Hara was almost sent crashing to the turf when her horse Morcombe took fright as the streaker staggered on to track. O'Hara and her horse were well clear of their rivals 100m from home only to slam into the inside running rail when the bleary-eyed intruder entered the course. Rival horse Bournda See stormed home to finish first past the post. The race was later scrapped and a 31-year-old man was arrested at the track and later issued with a court attendance notice for offensive conduct.


And the finish

134.       lady in red
6947 posts
 21 Feb 2008 Thu 06:19 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

IS THIS THE CRAZIEST STAG DO PRANK EVER?
man at race
caption says:
horses belting towards the finishing line when a streaker on his stag do risked life and limb to run out on to the race course to join them, at Moruya racetrack, new South Wales, Australia, on the 16th of February 2008. Jockey Tracy O'Hara was almost sent crashing to the turf when her horse Morcombe took fright as the streaker staggered on to track. O'Hara and her horse were well clear of their rivals 100m from home only to slam into the inside running rail when the bleary-eyed intruder entered the course. Rival horse Bournda See stormed home to finish first past the post. The race was later scrapped and a 31-year-old man was arrested at the track and later issued with a court attendance notice for offensive conduct.


And the finish



But....did he win??

135.       Leelu
1746 posts
 21 Feb 2008 Thu 10:52 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:


I guess you have them 99? lol
we say every borat has a little family of 99 other borats lol


OMG femme are you sure about this relationship with handsom???? Can you imagine what life will be like with another 99 hairy handsom's running around your house? Just think of all the lint rollers you will need to keep all that shedded hair off your burka!


and another 99 fat ass femme in the same house?


3 in 1

136.       lalisia
0 posts
 22 Feb 2008 Fri 07:28 am

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:


I guess you have them 99? lol
we say every borat has a little family of 99 other borats lol


OMG femme are you sure about this relationship with handsom???? Can you imagine what life will be like with another 99 hairy handsom's running around your house? Just think of all the lint rollers you will need to keep all that shedded hair off your burka!


and another 99 fat ass femme in the same house?


3 in 1


run away if u can..

137.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Feb 2008 Fri 02:13 pm

Ewereka, the painting sheep .
Meet 'Ewereka', the sheep that paints. Fitted with a special harness while she works Ewereka often needs a little bit of assistance, so Ann helps by holding the canvas from time to time. With frequent stops for more pellets to eat and for more paint to be put on her brush Ewereka has completed many fine works. Her owner Ann has has over 1000 successful sheep paintings in all and she sells them at galleries all over South Africa.







138.       teaschip
3870 posts
 22 Feb 2008 Fri 06:48 pm

I knew elephants could paint but not sheep, how cool.

139.       Leelu
1746 posts
 23 Feb 2008 Sat 01:32 am

Quoting lalisia:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:


I guess you have them 99? lol
we say every borat has a little family of 99 other borats lol


OMG femme are you sure about this relationship with handsom???? Can you imagine what life will be like with another 99 hairy handsom's running around your house? Just think of all the lint rollers you will need to keep all that shedded hair off your burka!


and another 99 fat ass femme in the same house?


3 in 1


run away if u can..



hahahahahaha ..


140.       Leelu
1746 posts
 23 Feb 2008 Sat 01:33 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Ewereka, the painting sheep .
Meet 'Ewereka', the sheep that paints. Fitted with a special harness while she works Ewereka often needs a little bit of assistance, so Ann helps by holding the canvas from time to time. With frequent stops for more pellets to eat and for more paint to be put on her brush Ewereka has completed many fine works. Her owner Ann has has over 1000 successful sheep paintings in all and she sells them at galleries all over South Africa.









wow how cool ..

oh yeaaaaaa ..






141.       lalisia
0 posts
 23 Feb 2008 Sat 06:51 am

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting thehandsom:

Ewereka, the painting sheep .
Meet 'Ewereka', the sheep that paints. Fitted with a special harness while she works Ewereka often needs a little bit of assistance, so Ann helps by holding the canvas from time to time. With frequent stops for more pellets to eat and for more paint to be put on her brush Ewereka has completed many fine works. Her owner Ann has has over 1000 successful sheep paintings in all and she sells them at galleries all over South Africa.









wow how cool ..

oh yeaaaaaa ..






142.       portokal
2516 posts
 23 Feb 2008 Sat 05:14 pm

HIjab - ban protest in Quebec

143.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 23 Feb 2008 Sat 08:17 pm



back and forth bashing. A nice change!

144.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 23 Feb 2008 Sat 08:23 pm

Old news article: Washington report on Middle East Affairs

Israel's Failed Assassination
Attempt On US Ambassador

http://www.rense.com/general52/idint.htm

145.       portokal
2516 posts
 24 Feb 2008 Sun 03:38 pm

TO ADMIN
i would like to ask what happened to those marvelous pictures of Slavica? and those poems she posted? the warmth that was brought by her posts?
how could this happen? i am sure she would not have deleted all those beauties she worked to put up here.

i am sorry to ask in this way, admin, but what is going on?
this site is wonderful, has great and valuable information.
this site is yours, you decide upon it's existence.
this site is a great deal of work.
i did not contribute much to its informative value, yet i am between main contributors. i am ashamed to be... this site may have a top of contributions. most of the contributors may bring contributions upon their knowledge. but what about those beauties for the eye and heart?
do not let the beauties of this site being vanished, please.
it is an act of irresponsibility towards each eye coming to see beauties, each mind interested in knowing what is put up here and the heart of human kind. each breath counts, each thought and each prayer.
it is irresponsible toward the fingers that worked in transmitting knowledge or beauties, the mind that was receptive and gathered this knowledge and the heart that made this come alive.

THANK YOU
PORTOKAL




146.       portokal
2516 posts
 24 Feb 2008 Sun 03:47 pm

Quoting portokal:

TO ADMIN
i would like to ask what happened to those marvelous pictures of Slavica? and those poems she posted? the warmth that was brought by her posts?
how could this happen? i am sure she would not have deleted all those beauties she worked to put up here.

i am sorry to ask in this way, admin, but what is going on?
this site is wonderful, has great and valuable information.
this site is yours, you decide upon it's existence.
this site is a great deal of work.
i did not contribute much to its informative value, yet i am between main contributors. i am ashamed to be... this site may have a top of contributions. most of the contributors may bring contributions upon their knowledge. but what about those beauties for the eye and heart?
do not let the beauties of this site being vanished, please.
it is an act of irresponsibility towards each eye coming to see beauties, each mind interested in knowing what is put up here and the heart of human kind. each breath counts, each thought and each prayer.
it is irresponsible toward the fingers that worked in transmitting knowledge or beauties, the mind that was receptive and gathered this knowledge and the heart that made this come alive.

THANK YOU
PORTOKAL






i found the pictures.
i apologize for these above, what i said came from the fact that it would be a great loss for all those pictures and posts.

thank you.

147.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 24 Feb 2008 Sun 05:34 pm

I'm really very sorry that Slavica has decided to leave the website

148.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 24 Feb 2008 Sun 10:08 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

I'm really very sorry that Slavica has decided to leave the website



Me too. I'm sorry about that but I'm not surprised at all unfortunately

149.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 24 Feb 2008 Sun 10:55 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Me too. I'm sorry about that but I'm not surprised at all unfortunately



Me too..

150.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Feb 2008 Sun 10:57 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Me too. I'm sorry about that but I'm not surprised at all unfortunately



Me too..


What is it? do you know something and not telling us?

151.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Feb 2008 Sun 11:49 pm

Turkey losing a helicopter in offensive..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7261797.stm

152.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Feb 2008 Mon 07:31 pm

Pervez interviewed in Afghan jail
How he was sentenced to die:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/how-he-was-sentenced-to-die-786832.html

153.       libralady
5152 posts
 25 Feb 2008 Mon 11:17 pm

A dog riding a bike - where else? Japan! (on the news!)
Ride my bycycle!

154.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Feb 2008 Mon 11:34 pm

Quoting libralady:

A dog riding a bike - where else? Japan! (on the news!)
Ride my bycycle!


haha..

155.       lalisia
0 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 09:57 am

"Girl" at school was 39-year-old man

156.       lalisia
0 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 10:06 am

What happened to Femme!?

157.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 04:55 pm

Jesus and pine tree!
I thought these things would happen to muslims only

Caption says:

BENSALEM, PENNSYLVANIA: The image found in the pine trunk. When furniture maker Craig O'Connor started work on his latest piece, he was stunned to discover an image of Jesus in a block of wood that he cut from a pine tree. Craig tried selling the piece of wood on Ebay but only got an offer of $500 USD. He now plans to incorporate the trunk in to a piece of furniture.


158.       portokal
2516 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 05:02 pm

A nightingale. i think it caught my ears though.

159.       libralady
5152 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 09:33 pm

Actually it was yesterday, a rather disturbing documentary about Iranian transexuals, waiting for gender reassignment. As transexuals they could not dress as woman without permission from a government official, and as women they were rejected by their families. The strange thing is that gender reassignment in Iran is second highest in the world after Thailand.

I think the saddest thing was that all of them regretted it. They would rather have stayed transexuals and tried to get away with wearing womens clothes. But transvestites are usually hanged if caught, the same as homosexuals. So the motive to have the operation is high.

One of those interviewed now was on the "game" and to allow sex for money with every "client" she had a temporary marriage for a couple of hours. The most disturbing part was one of the gender reassigned had a boy friend who new about the reassignment and that he was not with a "proper" woman! and her mother wanted them to marry, the only reassigned to remain with and be accepted by the family, only perhaps there appeared to be no father about.

I found the whole programme very sad, and it clearly highlighted the oppression of women (there you are Cat a feminist remark from me!) in Iran and the strong desire by many of the younger generation for change.

160.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Feb 2008 Wed 12:14 am

Quoting libralady:


I found the whole programme very sad, and it clearly highlighted the oppression of women (there you are Cat a feminist remark from me!) in Iran and the strong desire by many of the younger generation for change.


161.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 27 Feb 2008 Wed 10:31 am

Wine bottles and Turkish pop music video

But RTUK, Turkey's broadcasting watchdog, is working on a draft bill that would ban scenes "encourag[ing]" consumption of alcohol.

Savagely criticised by the secular media, the Prime Minister, Tayyip Erdogan, said: "You print pictures of totally naked women in newspapers against this nation's moral values. Have we interfered with that?"

Hakan Yavuz, author of a book on Turkish Islam, said: "I fear that what we have here is the beginning of a major... change against secular lifestyles, a gradual profound Islamisation of society." He believes the process could prove difficult to stop.
The link:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/europe/wine-bottles-a-step-too-far-for-turkish-pop-music-video-787930.html

162.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 27 Feb 2008 Wed 10:36 am

The Turkish invasion could destroy a unified Iraq!!

Iraq is disintegrating faster than ever. The Turkish army invaded the north of the country last week and is still there. Iraqi Kurdistan is becoming like Gaza where Israel can send in its tanks and helicopters at will.

The US, so sensitive to any threat to Iraqi sovereignty from Iran or Syria, has blandly consented to the Turkish attack on the one part of Iraq which was at peace. The Turkish government piously claims that its army is in pursuit of PKK Turkish Kurd guerrillas, but it is unlikely to inflict serious damage on them as they hide in long-prepared bunkers and deep ravines of the Kurdish mountains. What the Turkish incursion is doing is weakening the Kurdistan Regional Government, the autonomous Kurdish zone, the creation of which is one of the few concrete achievements of the US and British invasion of Iraq five years ago.

The link:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/patrick-cockburn-the-turkish-invasion-could-destroy-a-unified-iraq-787830.html

163.       portokal
2516 posts
 27 Feb 2008 Wed 01:52 pm

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=UPB2A9HjYas

164.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 27 Feb 2008 Wed 04:00 pm

Femme has gone
Dull....dull....dull....

165.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Feb 2008 Wed 09:33 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Femme has gone
Dull....dull....dull....


Thanks so much! We love you too canim
btw, I'm pretty sure fem has an email address.

166.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 27 Feb 2008 Wed 09:44 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Femme has gone
Dull....dull....dull....


we missed you Aenigma!!

167.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Feb 2008 Thu 11:08 am

Nailing the location of the elusive G spot (but not all women have it!!)
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/scientists-find-the-g-spot-but-not-all-women-have-it-784924.html

Many writers suggested it was a small hypersensitive area of the vagina about three quarters of the way up the anterior wall.

Italian researchers, who used ultrasound scans to explore inside the vaginas of 20 women, say they have found a thickened area of tissue in those who said they had experienced vaginal orgasms – but not in those who had not.

"For the first time it is possible to determine by a simple, rapid and inexpensive method if a woman has a G spot or not," Emmanuele Jannini, from the University of L'Aquila, told New Scientist.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726444.100-ultrasound-nails-location-of-the-elusive-g-spot.html


And Catherine Townsend thinks she also has a G-spot in her brains!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/catherine-townsend/catherine-townsend-sleeping-around-788466.html
I suggests, all women should take this ultrasound scan, have the result about where abouts of their g-spots and show it to their partners in advance..

168.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 28 Feb 2008 Thu 11:23 am

Quoting thehandsom:


I suggests, all women should take this ultrasound scan, have the result about where abouts of their g-spots and show it to their partners in advance..



Kidding? So that we miss all the fun with their looking for it? Or to let them get away with "It's not my fault you didn't come - your scan shows you have no G-spot"? NO WAY

169.       lady in red
6947 posts
 28 Feb 2008 Thu 11:27 am

Quoting thehandsom:



And Catherine Townsend thinks she also has a G-spot in her brains!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/catherine-townsend/catherine-townsend-sleeping-around-788466.html[/URL]



ON her brain handsom!!!! ON her brain!!! Slightly different meaning!

170.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Feb 2008 Thu 11:57 am

Quoting lady in red:

Quoting thehandsom:



And Catherine Townsend thinks she also has a G-spot in her brains!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/catherine-townsend/catherine-townsend-sleeping-around-788466.html[/URL]



ON her brain handsom!!!! ON her brain!!! Slightly different meaning!


I am not english you know!!!

171.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Feb 2008 Thu 01:46 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:


I suggests, all women should take this ultrasound scan, have the result about where abouts of their g-spots and show it to their partners in advance..



Kidding? So that we miss all the fun with their looking for it? Or to let them get away with "It's not my fault you didn't come - your scan shows you have no G-spot"? NO WAY


I was not kidding at all!!
women should take their scans, enlarge it to A1 size, mark the spot with a red marker , frame it and put it on the wall above the bed!!
(I think marking is quite important here..it should be a big, unambiguous X)
And then you can 'blame' your partner if 'the final destination' was not mutual.. lol

172.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 28 Feb 2008 Thu 02:26 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Femme has gone :
Dull....dull....dull....



Thanks so much! We love you too canim .



Ermmm sorry I don't understand :-S

Quoting catwoman:

I'm pretty sure fem has an email address.



I am pretty sure she does, but I was talking about her being deleted from this site

173.       catwoman
8933 posts
 28 Feb 2008 Thu 04:06 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

I am pretty sure she does, but I was talking about her being deleted from this site


Oh... I see... lol

174.       lady in red
6947 posts
 28 Feb 2008 Thu 04:52 pm

TOOTH HELPS BLIND MAN SEE!

Blind Irishman sees with the aid of son's tooth in his eye - DUBLIN (AFP) - An Irishman blinded by an explosion two years ago has had his sight restored after doctors inserted his son's tooth in his eye, he said on Wednesday.

Bob McNichol, 57, from County Mayo in the west of the country, lost his sight in a freak accident when red-hot liquid aluminium exploded at a re-cycling business in November 2005. 'I thought that I was going to be blind for the rest of my life,' McNichol told RTE state radio.

After doctors in Ireland said there was nothing more they could do, McNichol heard about a miracle operation called Osteo-Odonto-Keratoprosthesis (OOKP) being performed by Dr Christopher Liu at the Sussex Eye Hospital in Brighton in England. The technique, pioneered in Italy in the 1960s, involves creating a support for an artificial cornea from the patient's own tooth and the surrounding bone.

The procedure used on McNichol involved his son Robert, 23, donating a tooth, its root and part of the jaw. McNichol's right eye socket was rebuilt, part of the tooth inserted and a lens inserted in a hole drilled in the tooth.

The first operation lasted ten hours and the second five hours.

'It is pretty heavygoing McNicholl said. 'There was a 65 percent chance of me getting any sight. 'Now I have enough sight for me to get around and I can watch television. I have come out from complete darkness to be able to do simple things,' McNichol said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080228/ts_afp/irelandbritainhealthoffbeat

175.       libralady
5152 posts
 28 Feb 2008 Thu 07:32 pm

I like how this thread have developed! and talking of eyes I have my other one lasered tomorrow - so almost perfect vision (except for age related short sightedness) lol

176.       teaschip
3870 posts
 28 Feb 2008 Thu 10:03 pm

Quoting libralady:

I like how this thread have developed! and talking of eyes I have my other one lasered tomorrow - so almost perfect vision (except for age related short sightedness) lol



I wish you good luck, hope you will be able to see again.

177.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Feb 2008 Fri 10:56 am

News in Hurriyet..
It says that Turkey's offensive is over..Hmmm..
We will see if it is correct!!
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/8342171.asp?gid=229&sz=75952

178.       portokal
2516 posts
 29 Feb 2008 Fri 04:14 pm

a ring:

http://www.thisnext.com/item/99A5DF71/43A4CF11/Alpha-and-Omega-Ring-from

179.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Mar 2008 Sat 12:28 pm

Israeli minister warns of Holocaust for Gaza if violence continues:
How charming!!!

Israel's deputy defence minister yesterday warned his country was close to launching a huge military operation in Gaza and said Palestinians would bring on themselves a "bigger shoah," using the Hebrew word usually reserved for the Holocaust.

The choice of vocabulary from Matan Vilnai, an often outspoken former army general, was unusually grave - the word is not normally used for anything other than the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/01/israelandthepalestinians1

180.       libralady
5152 posts
 02 Mar 2008 Sun 04:24 pm

A student from Ohio disliked his principal so much he made up a Myspace page for him, complete with picture and his profile portreying him as a child molester. It described his "special interests" as (amongst others) was "jacking off in my office".

The pupils handwork was discovered and he was prompty expelled.

You can imagine the suprise (or not!) when a lawsuit landed on the desk of the local authority, from the parents of the pupil claiming their "snowflake" of a child was being denied his freedom of speech. Disrespecting teachers outside school hours was a tradition and that their son should be reinstated promptly!

181.       portokal
2516 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 12:36 am

A Husbands Tale

By Du`aa' Hamdy

Translated By Yosra Mostafa

Image
You thought you never knew the taste of suffering until you met a grumpy woman who is mean and makes your life like hell. Is this the woman you married? Do you feel that you will not make it to the following year? Read about the trials and tribulations of one.

* * *

When it was my time to marry, despite was what was being said, I made-up my mind to marry a woman from my community. Of course I recognized the implications of marrying locally. I had a very bad life — the home was permeated with a cloudy atmosphere which was full of sadness and sulkiness. Breakfast time consisted of my wife yelling, and I dined to her wailing and weeping. At supper and bedtime, I was assured nothing remained unchanged by her cursing me.

We never talked, but battled. Our home was gloomy with pale colors and mysterious features. It had no life and there were two life-giving aspects: the sun and visitors.

* * *

One day, a friend of mine invited my wife and me to lunch at his home. I was so scared that my wife would refuse, or that she would go and be at her worst, which is not much different from her best! I asked her gently and kindly to come with me and she agreed without a second thought, and she was polite … I wondered why!

We made the journey to my friend's house. We were welcomed to a home that was full of light, joy, and happiness, the reason for which was the harmony between him and his wife. Happiness was their way, respect was their motto. Love guided them and brought light into their life. They were like Shahryar and Scheherazade of The Thousand and One Nights. No, they were like lovebirds that do not speak, but chant and warble. Their words to each other were those of a father and mother, a brother and sister, a husband and wife, a companion, friend, and healer.

I never wanted to leave, but we did, and I was filled with confusion. My wife was so different with my friend. Her face was softer, and she was calm to the point that she became a part of that harmonious unit. In fact, she was nothing like the she-devil that had come to make my life a misery. I did not know this woman that I have lived with for what seemed far too long.

"Allah guide my wife and make her like the wife of my friend," I thought.

I became obsessed with it all, thinking about the reasons day and night, over and over. I was never able to figure out why they were so different from us. So I decided to go to my friend and ask, and he surprised me with an unexpected reason:

"Whoever ignores, forever loses; and whoever knows, wins the world and its bliss. A woman is a gift from Allah," he said.

He continued, "Her heart is a spring of kindness, her bosom is the center of warmth, and her blood is a river of fragrance. She gives for no return, and she is tolerant with the love of good deeds. She respects her husband and guards his entity. Her beauty is in her spirit. Her charm and attraction are in her enlightened mind, awareness, and wise opinion. Had the case been different, grand men of letters would not have said 'Behind every great man is a woman' or 'Women are half the society.' So think, what happens if a man does not appreciate or respect his wife? You have no idea what the return will be if you embrace her with your kindness, with even one word!"

I left my friend in a thoughtful and light mood and returned to my wife seeking her forgiveness and regretting the life I had wasted without ever trying to understand her. From that moment, love blessed our home with respect. We lived more joyously and no less so than my friend and his wife.

* * *
And so ends my nightmare, and I pray to Allah Almighty that every man will come to know the true worth of his wife and to put an end to the life that he has wasted with his mind and his heart away from her and their marriage.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1172571475024&pagename=Zone-English-Family%2FFYELayout

182.       portokal
2516 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 01:24 am

Brel et Bejart

183.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 03:10 am

Wonderful Stories of Islam: FOUR WIVES

Once upon a time. There was a rich merchant who had four (4) wives.

He loved the 4th wife the most and adorned her with rich robes and treated her to delicacies. He took great care of her and gave her nothing but the best.

He also loved the 3rd wife very much. He's very proud of her and always wanted to show off her to his friends. However, the merchant is always in great fear that she might run away with some other men.

He too, loved his 2nd wife. She is a very considerate person, always patient and in fact is the merchant's confidante. Whenever the merchant faced some problems, he always turned to his 2nd wife and she would always help him out and tide him through difficult times.

Now, the merchant's 1st wife is a very loyal partner and has made great contributions in maintaining his wealth and business as well as taking care of the household. However, the merchant did not love the first wife and although she loved him deeply, he hardly took notice of her.

One day, the merchant fell ill. Before long, he knew that he was going to die soon. He thought of his luxurious life and told himself, "Now I have 4 wives with me. But when I die, I'll be alone. How lonely I'll be!" Thus, he asked the 4th wife, "I loved you most, endowed you with the finest clothing and showered great care over you. Now that I'm dying, will you follow me and keep me company?"

"No way!" replied the 4th wife and she walked away without another word.

The answer cut like a sharp knife right into the merchant's heart.

The sad merchant then asked the 3rd wife, "I have loved you so much for all my life. Now that I'm dying, will you follow me and keep me company?"

"No!" replied the 3rd wife. "Life is so good over here! I'm going to remarry when you die!" The merchant's heart sank and turned cold.

He then asked the 2nd wife, "I always turned to you for help and you've always helped me out. Now I need your help again. When I die, will you follow me and keep me company?" "I'm sorry, I can't help you out this time!" replied the 2nd wife. "At the very most, I can only send you to your grave." The answer came like a bolt of thunder and the merchant was devastated.

Then a voice called out: "I'll leave with you. I'll follow you no matter where you go." The merchant looked up and there was his first wife. She was so skinny, almost like she suffered from malnutrition.

Greatly grieved, the merchant said, "I should have taken much better care of you while I could have!"

Actually, we all have 4 wives in our lives. The 4th wife is our body. No matter how much time and effort we lavish in making it look good, it'll leave us when we die.

Our 3rd wife is our possessions, status and wealth. When we die, they all go to others.

The 2nd wife is our family and friends. No matter how close they had been there for us when we're alive, the furthest they can stay by us is up to the grave.

The 1st wife is in fact our soul, often neglected in our pursuit of material wealth and sensual pleasure.

Guess what? It is actually the only thing that follows us wherever we go. Perhaps it's a good idea to cultivate and strengthen it now rather than to wait until we're on our deathbed to lament.


http://www.ezsoftech.com/stories/mis25.asp


184.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 12:59 pm

*****This is low level continuing genocide!!****

At least 112 Palestinians have been killed since Wednesday..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7274225.stm

185.       dizzyspinner
0 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 01:17 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

*****This is low level continuing genocide!!****

At least 112 Palestinians have been killed since Wednesday..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7274225.stm[/QUOTE


A quote from that link:


"A spokesman for Israel's Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, Arye Mekel, said the Palestinian decision was a mistake and expressed hope negotiations would resume. "

True, it is a mistake, but I'm not sure this statement is sincere.

186.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 10:17 am

Gay teenager from Iran

Mehdi Kazemi is a gay teenager from Iran. He sought sanctuary in Britain after his boyfriend was hanged for homosexuality. So why is Britain so determined to send him back to Tehran – to almost certain execution?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/a-life-or-death-decision-792058.html

=========

Catherine Townsend: Sleeping Around

spanking children causes an increase in sexual deviancy in adulthood.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/catherine-townsend/catherine-townsend-sleeping-around-791980.html
(I am getting increasingly hot for this woman, btw )

187.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 01:53 pm

How nice, you american boy!!
US Marine throwing a puppy off of a cliff in Iraq


http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/43462/9fb16ab3/us_soldaat_gooit_puppy.html

188.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 02:05 pm

VULVA ORIGINAL!!
New perfume apparently!!

caption says:

Described on its website as "The erotic, intimate scent of an irresistible woman". This is no perfume but "a beguiling vaginal scent which is purely for your own smelling pleasure". Users are advised to apply a tiny amount of this "intoxicating substance" to the back of the hand to experience "the irresistible smell of a moist, sensuous vagina".

Jonathan Ross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVff661pytI

Not putting any image..In case catwoman starts talking about feminism, exploitation blah blah!!

189.       lady in red
6947 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 07:43 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

VULVA ORIGINAL!!
New perfume apparently!!

caption says:

Described on its website as 'The erotic, intimate scent of an irresistible woman'. This is no perfume but 'a beguiling vaginal scent which is purely for your own smelling pleasure'. Users are advised to apply a tiny amount of this 'intoxicating substance' to the back of the hand to experience 'the irresistible smell of a moist, sensuous vagina'.

Jonathan Ross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVff661pytI

Not putting any image..In case catwoman starts talking about feminism, exploitation blah blah!!



Well,this really is the final straw. I'm sorry thehandsom but I for one have had enough of your obscene posts. Petitions seem to be all the rage at the moment and I think it would be a good idea to start a petition to have you removed from this site.

190.       teaschip
3870 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 08:26 pm

Quoting libralady:

A student from Ohio disliked his principal so much he made up a Myspace page for him, complete with picture and his profile portreying him as a child molester. It described his "special interests" as (amongst others) was "jacking off in my office".

The pupils handwork was discovered and he was prompty expelled.

You can imagine the suprise (or not!) when a lawsuit landed on the desk of the local authority, from the parents of the pupil claiming their "snowflake" of a child was being denied his freedom of speech. Disrespecting teachers outside school hours was a tradition and that their son should be reinstated promptly!



Just another example of a frivolous lawsuit. And you wonder why some kids turn to drugs and crime..just a little help from mom and dad.

191.       catwoman
8933 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 08:54 pm

Quoting lady in red:

Well,this really is the final straw. I'm sorry thehandsom but I for one have had enough of your obscene posts. Petitions seem to be all the rage at the moment and I think it would be a good idea to start a petition to have you removed from this site.


Aren't you a bit too harsh canim?

192.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 09:41 pm

Quoting lady in red:

Well,this really is the final straw. I'm sorry thehandsom but I for one have had enough of your obscene posts. Petitions seem to be all the rage at the moment and I think it would be a good idea to start a petition to have you removed from this site.


Sorry LIR, I have to disagree with you on this one. I think wanting to have handsom removed for posting a couple of irreverent things is going a bit far.

193.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 10:01 pm

There are people cursing and swearing on this website and they don't get deleted. What would be the reason to delete handsom? Because he typed the word, "vulva"?

Handsom is fairly gentlemanly most of the time. I am sure if you have a problem with his post, you could PM him and maybe you would get an apology...or maybe not...but asking for a petition to have someone deleted is just not right.

194.       dizzyspinner
0 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 10:11 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


New perfume apparently!!

caption says:
[i]
Described on its website as "The erotic, intimate scent of

Not putting any image..In case catwoman starts talking about feminism, exploitation blah blah!!



I deleted most of the quote.

Thehandsom, I don't think you should be deleted because everyone deserves a second chance but this post is so vulgar. You even capitalised the first couple of words, so even if members do want to pass it by they are still left with the question of why anyone would be interested in duch a subject in Eurkish Class. Not very nice of you at all.

195.       catwoman
8933 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 10:38 pm

It's quite interesting how people took handsom's post. I didn't find anything offensive in it, and you know how serious I am about these things lol. To me it only showed that stupidity has no limit and those idiotic manufacturers will go to any length to use stupid people.

196.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 10:51 pm

Quoting catwoman:

those idiotic manufacturers will go to any length to use stupid people.


Ama..catwoman..ermm
Hmmm..
(well. I think it is best if I dont tell, I have already ordered three bottles!!)

197.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 10:52 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:


Handsom is fairly gentlemanly most of the time. I am sure if you have a problem with his post, you could PM him and maybe you would get an apology...or maybe not...but asking for a petition to have someone deleted is just not right.


Elisabeth!!
I dont remember.
are you married?

198.       geniuda
1070 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 10:55 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting catwoman:

those idiotic manufacturers will go to any length to use stupid people.


Ama..catwoman..ermm
Hmmm..
(well. I think it is best if I dont tell, I have already ordered three bottles!!)


were you told by the sellers that by advertising their product you would get 3 extra bottles for FREE??? lol lol lol

199.       libralady
5152 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 10:55 pm

Plans to erect a statue of Mahatma Gandhi in the city centre of Leicester has run into trouble, with a section of the population favouring soccer icon and local hero Gary Lineker to be honoured instead.

As much as I admired Gandhi, he has nothing to do with Leicester or Britain for that matter, personally I think they should have a statue of Gary Lineker who was one of Britains most famous footballer, notably for never being booked or even cautioned in his career.

'Gandhi is a historical figure connected to India. He has no connection to English culture or the English, therefore a statue of him would be more suitably erected in India. This would be yet another symbol of segregation in Leicester and it would be something else for the Asian community. We have local heroes here, Lineker or the writer, Joe Orton,' Ingram said.

Leicester has a high Asian population and is predicted to be Britain's first white-minority city in 12 years.

Just more proof that Britain is going totally bonkers!

200.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 10:57 pm

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting catwoman:

those idiotic manufacturers will go to any length to use stupid people.


Ama..catwoman..ermm
Hmmm..
(well. I think it is best if I dont tell, I have already ordered three bottles!!)


were you told by the sellers that by advertising their product you would get 3 extra bottles for FREE??? lol lol lol


lol
ermm..Yes..3 bottles they are sending for the advertisement..
and I have ordered 3 bottles by myself..

201.       catwoman
8933 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 11:08 pm

Quoting libralady:

Plans to erect a statue of Mahatma Gandhi in the city centre of Leicester has run into trouble, with a section of the population favouring soccer icon and local hero Gary Lineker to be honoured instead.

As much as I admired Gandhi, he has nothing to do with Leicester or Britain for that matter, personally I think they should have a statue of Gary Lineker who was one of Britains most famous footballer, notably for never being booked or even cautioned in his career.

'Gandhi is a historical figure connected to India. He has no connection to English culture or the English, therefore a statue of him would be more suitably erected in India. This would be yet another symbol of segregation in Leicester and it would be something else for the Asian community. We have local heroes here, Lineker or the writer, Joe Orton,' Ingram said.

Leicester has a high Asian population and is predicted to be Britain's first white-minority city in 12 years.


I totally agree with you Libralady. What the hell...!

Quoting libralady:

Just more proof that Britain is going totally bonkers!


lol lol lol
no comments on that one!

202.       lady in red
6947 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 11:29 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting lady in red:

Well,this really is the final straw. I'm sorry thehandsom but I for one have had enough of your obscene posts. Petitions seem to be all the rage at the moment and I think it would be a good idea to start a petition to have you removed from this site.


Sorry LIR, I have to disagree with you on this one. I think wanting to have handsom removed for posting a couple of irreverent things is going a bit far.



203.       Leelu
1746 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 03:49 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting catwoman:

those idiotic manufacturers will go to any length to use stupid people.


Ama..catwoman..ermm
Hmmm..
(well. I think it is best if I dont tell, I have already ordered three bottles!!)


were you told by the sellers that by advertising their product you would get 3 extra bottles for FREE??? lol lol lol


lol
ermm..Yes..3 bottles they are sending for the advertisement..
and I have ordered 3 bottles by myself..


thehandsom has turned to the dark side lol lol lol back awaaaaaaaaaaay from the light!! lol lol lol

204.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 12:33 pm

World's Smallest Gun

World's Smallest Gun That Shoots Deadly Bullets. The Swiss Mini Gun is the size of a key fob but fires tiny 270mph bullets powerful enough to kill at close range and is officially the world's smallest working revolver. It is the being marketed as a collector's item and measures just 2.16 inches long (5.5cm). It can fire real 4.53 bullets up to a range of 367ft (112m). The stainless steel gun costs £3,000 although the manufacturers also produce extravagant, made-to-order versions made out of 18-carat gold with customised diamond studs which sell for up to £30,000. At just over two inches long it is the world's smallest gun - but the 300mph bullets it fires mean it is still deadly It cannot be imported into the UK, and buyers in Switzerland and Europe must produce an import permit from police to obtain one. The gun is banned from being imported into the US - because it's barrel is less than three inches, meaning it is deemed too small to qualify for sporting purposes.



205.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 12:40 pm

Sign on the door of a Music Store: Out to lunch. Bach at 12:30. Offenbach sooner.

206.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 12:58 pm

Quoting libralady:

Plans to erect a statue of Mahatma Gandhi in the city centre of Leicester has run into trouble, with a section of the population favouring soccer icon and local hero Gary Lineker to be honoured instead.

As much as I admired Gandhi, he has nothing to do with Leicester or Britain for that matter, personally I think they should have a statue of Gary Lineker who was one of Britains most famous footballer, notably for never being booked or even cautioned in his career.

'Gandhi is a historical figure connected to India. He has no connection to English culture or the English, therefore a statue of him would be more suitably erected in India. This would be yet another symbol of segregation in Leicester and it would be something else for the Asian community. We have local heroes here, Lineker or the writer, Joe Orton,' Ingram said.

Leicester has a high Asian population and is predicted to be Britain's first white-minority city in 12 years.

Just more proof that Britain is going totally bonkers!



Joe Orton was a brilliant writer but I hardly think his antics at the library set a good example to today's children .

Gandhi, a great human being. Perhaps his statue would remind people that peaceful protests can be effective. I understand what you are saying about this Libra - the legacy of good old British Colonialism :-S

Lineker would be my choice. A good modern role model for self control and behaviour.

207.       libralady
5152 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 03:15 pm

Quoting peace train:

Quoting libralady:

Plans to erect a statue of Mahatma Gandhi in the city centre of Leicester has run into trouble, with a section of the population favouring soccer icon and local hero Gary Lineker to be honoured instead.

As much as I admired Gandhi, he has nothing to do with Leicester or Britain for that matter, personally I think they should have a statue of Gary Lineker who was one of Britains most famous footballer, notably for never being booked or even cautioned in his career.

'Gandhi is a historical figure connected to India. He has no connection to English culture or the English, therefore a statue of him would be more suitably erected in India. This would be yet another symbol of segregation in Leicester and it would be something else for the Asian community. We have local heroes here, Lineker or the writer, Joe Orton,' Ingram said.

Leicester has a high Asian population and is predicted to be Britain's first white-minority city in 12 years.

Just more proof that Britain is going totally bonkers!



Joe Orton was a brilliant writer but I hardly think his antics at the library set a good example to today's children .

Gandhi, a great human being. Perhaps his statue would remind people that peaceful protests can be effective. I understand what you are saying about this Libra - the legacy of good old British Colonialism :-S

Lineker would be my choice. A good modern role model for self control and behaviour.



Apart from Lineker, the only other good thing about Leicester is the Cheese!

208.       catwoman
8933 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 03:21 pm

Quoting libralady:

Apart from Lineker, the only other good thing about Leicester is the Cheese!


Oh, something I should know about? lol

209.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 03:22 pm

offf..
How about a cheese sculpture with Lineker and Ghandi playing football
like this for example?:

210.       libralady
5152 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 03:24 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting libralady:

Apart from Lineker, the only other good thing about Leicester is the Cheese!


Oh, something I should know about? lol



Red Leicester Cheese!

211.       libralady
5152 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 03:25 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

offf..
How about a cheese sculpture with Lineker and Ghandi playing football
like this for example?:



Are you sure he did not eat all the cheese?

212.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 03:26 pm

Quoting libralady:

Are you sure he did not eat all the cheese?


haha
He looks like..does not he? lol lol

213.       catwoman
8933 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 03:30 pm

Quoting libralady:

Are you sure he did not eat all the cheese?


lol lol lol lol lol

214.       eddie
0 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 05:15 am

Autistic children joining hands .....singing....laughing....having fun.
: >

215.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:24 am

Quoting eddie:

Autistic children joining hands .....singing....laughing....having fun.
: >


:-S

216.       eddie
0 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 05:30 pm

Don't see that too often with these special kids
: >

217.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 11:55 pm

Grandmother, 89, seeks power via internet

Once, the internet was seen as the preserve of teenage geeks with too much time on their hands. Then came the "silver surfers", a generation of retirees keen to get to grips with the technological revolution. Now, a bicycling 89-year-old Malaysian woman is proving that the worldwide web can be a springboard to power.

Maimun is by some margin the oldest candidate standing in Saturday's national election. And she's almost certainly the oldest electoral candidate in the world. But, with a blog that boasts of nearly 8,000 hits since Wednesday alone, and a Facebook page, the grandmother of seven and great-grandmother of 19 is refusing to bow out of the race



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/grandmother-89-seeks-power-via-internet-793163.html

218.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Mar 2008 Sun 01:08 am

101 year old marathon runner

Rachel Miller 101 year old Buster Martin is going to run the London Marathon. His training involves pint drinking and smoking 40 a day. Buster holds his London Valley Half medal and Bupa Great Capital Run medal.

Libralady..see..it is possible


219.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Mar 2008 Sun 04:42 pm

Does Israel really want peace?

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has approved a plan to build up to 750 new homes in a Jewish settlement in the West Bank.
"the demographic needs of Jerusalem".
Mr Olmert's spokesman, Mark Regev said:
"We have approved it. It is consistent with our policy of building within the large settlement blocs, which will remain in Israel in any final-status agreement," he added.

Under the terms of the peace process settlement expansion is supposed to be frozen.

Does Israel really want peace?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7286264.stm

220.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Mar 2008 Sun 07:14 pm

No Israel doesn't want peace. I already posted words to this effect in another thread. The Palestinians said they would not come to the peace talks after being provoked by Israel. I think the Israelies did that on purpose, knowing what the result might be. I haven't updated on that yet though will do it now.

221.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 12:18 am

Turkish Press
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=219004&s=&i=&t=Intelligence_paints_grim_picture_for_Israel

222.       eddie
0 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 06:37 am

223.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 11:49 am

No prostitution sign

The unofficial sign shown at Yangren street, Chonqing, March 8, 2008. The sign, meaning prostitution is strictly forbidden at Yangren street, was put up by the management department of Yangren street, in ordet to remind visitors abiding by the laws. CHINA


224.       libralady
5152 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 05:07 pm

Pupils 'to take allegiance oath'

All school leavers could be asked to swear an oath to the Queen. School-leavers should be encouraged to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country, says a report commissioned by Gordon Brown on British citizenship.
source BBC News

What a downright insult! How much more like America do they want us to be


and we are not citizens we are subjects as we are a monarcy! So Gordon Brown, put that in your pipe an smoke it.

225.       teaschip
3870 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 05:14 pm

Quoting libralady:

Pupils 'to take allegiance oath'

All school leavers could be asked to swear an oath to the Queen. School-leavers should be encouraged to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country, says a report commissioned by Gordon Brown on British citizenship.
source BBC News

What a downright insult! How much more like America do they want us to be


and we are not citizens we are subjects as we are a monarcy! So Gordon Brown, put that in your pipe an smoke it.



We take a pledge to our flag & country, not GW...

226.       catwoman
8933 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 05:32 pm

Quoting libralady:

Pupils 'to take allegiance oath'

All school leavers could be asked to swear an oath to the Queen. School-leavers should be encouraged to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country, says a report commissioned by Gordon Brown on British citizenship.
source BBC News


Ok, so the government decided that you need to be controlled better! lol
You're right about America though! Our rights and freedom are being slowly but steadily taken away one by one...

"The November 13, 2001, Presidential Military Order gave the President of the United States the power to detain a non-citizen suspected of connection to terrorists or terrorism as an unlawful combatant. As such, it was asserted that a person could be held indefinitely without charges being filed against him or her, without a court hearing, and without entitlement to a legal consultant. Many legal and constitutional scholars contended that these provisions were in direct opposition to habeas corpus and the United States Bill of Rights."

As you see, those who say that America is progressing into fascism are right..

227.       teaschip
3870 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 05:35 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting libralady:

Pupils 'to take allegiance oath'

All school leavers could be asked to swear an oath to the Queen. School-leavers should be encouraged to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country, says a report commissioned by Gordon Brown on British citizenship.
source BBC News


Ok, so the government decided that you need to be controlled better! lol



Hail to the Queen... lol Hey I thought Brown was better than Blair..You guys are never happy are you.

228.       catwoman
8933 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 05:39 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Hail to the Queen... lol Hey I thought Brown was better than Blair..You guys are never happy are you.


:-S

229.       KeithL
1455 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 05:45 pm

Quoting peace train:

No Israel doesn't want peace.



Of course they want "piece"

a piece of gaza
a piece of west bank
a piece of jerusalem
a piece of sanai...

230.       teaschip
3870 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 07:36 pm

The majority of Palestinians 70% support suicide bombings
The majority of Palestinians support the killing of Jewish civilians, including Jewish children
The majority of Palestinians do not accept Israel's right to exist.
The majority of Palestinians support the Sept 11th killings.
Palestinians dance in the streets on 9/11.

The only people I feel sorry for are the innocent, which looks to be roughly 30%.

231.       KeithL
1455 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 07:42 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

The majority of Palestinians 70% support suicide bombings
The majority of Palestinians support the killing of Jewish civilians, including Jewish children
The majority of Palestinians do not accept Israel's right to exist.
The majority of Palestinians support the Sept 11th killings.
Palestinians dance in the streets on 9/11.

The only people I feel sorry for are the innocent, which looks to be roughly 30%.



Also.
The majority of french resistence and warsaw ghetto occupants supported suicide bombings.
The majority of french resistence and warsaw ghetto occupants did not recognize Nazi germany's right to exist.
The majority of french resistence and warsaw ghetto occupants support all the acts of violence against german military and citizens during wwii.

232.       KeithL
1455 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 07:43 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

The majority of Palestinians 70% support suicide bombings
The majority of Palestinians support the killing of Jewish civilians, including Jewish children
The majority of Palestinians do not accept Israel's right to exist.
The majority of Palestinians support the Sept 11th killings.
Palestinians dance in the streets on 9/11.

The only people I feel sorry for are the innocent, which looks to be roughly 30%.



I don't doubt most of these, but I would like to see where you got your facts for killing Jewish children...

233.       teaschip
3870 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 07:50 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting teaschip1:

The majority of Palestinians 70% support suicide bombings
The majority of Palestinians support the killing of Jewish civilians, including Jewish children
The majority of Palestinians do not accept Israel's right to exist.
The majority of Palestinians support the Sept 11th killings.
Palestinians dance in the streets on 9/11.

The only people I feel sorry for are the innocent, which looks to be roughly 30%.



I don't doubt most of these, but I would like to see where you got your facts for killing Jewish children...



http://www.meforum.org/article/164/
http://www.pcpsr.org/survey/polls/2003/p9epressrelease.html

234.       KeithL
1455 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 07:55 pm

thank you tea....
please note however, this poll is over 5 years old. At that time, it was the height of Israel's internationally recognized illegal property seizures and settlements.
Since that time, many of these settlements were forfeited due to international pressure. I would hope that no one on anyside whould take pleasure in the death of a child.

235.       teaschip
3870 posts
 11 Mar 2008 Tue 08:03 pm

Quoting KeithL:

thank you tea....
please note however, this poll is over 5 years old. At that time, it was the height of Israel's internationally recognized illegal property seizures and settlements.
Since that time, many of these settlements were forfeited due to international pressure. I would hope that no one on anyside whould take pleasure in the death of a child.



Keith I have attached a 2007 survey, which you may find interesting. Unfortunately, there are people who do take pleasure in killing children to the degree that they even strap on a bomb to their own childs back. As far as I can see nothing has changed in five years on either side.
http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=257

236.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 12:14 am

US Mid-East commander steps down

The Esquire article suggested Adm Fallon was standing up to a president supposedly contemplating war with Iran.

He is described in the article as "the strongest man standing between the Bush Administration and a war with Iran".

Mr Gates said the idea that Adm Fallon's departure indicated that the US was planning to go to war with Iran was "ridiculous".

I hope this is not true..A war with iran will be a BIGGEST mistake.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7290826.stm

237.       adonis
0 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 12:31 am

a court jester and a traitor in somewhere...

238.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 12:50 am

That Peace Train resigned

239.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 12:54 am

Quoting Roswitha:

resigned



240.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 04:45 am

Fall from Grace: E. Spitzer
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03112008/news/regionalnews/spitzer_has_used_hookers_for_6_years__so_101444.htm

prosecutors said in court papers that Spitzer had been caught on a wiretap spending $4,300 with the Emperors Club VIP call-girl service, with some of the money going toward a night with a prostitute named Kristen, and the rest to be used as credit toward future trysts. The papers also suggested that Spitzer had done this before.

241.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:06 am

Quoting Roswitha:

Fall from Grace: E. Spitzer


The funny thing is, the Governor was caught because of banking software that tracks all money transfers to look for money laundering. Software that, as New York Attorney General, Spitzer himself lobbied it have beefed up and installed in all financial institutions in New York.
His transfers raised suspicions which lead to the Escort Service and ultimately right back to the Governor.

242.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 10:21 am

Quoting libralady:

Pupils 'to take allegiance oath'

All school leavers could be asked to swear an oath to the Queen. School-leavers should be encouraged to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country, says a report commissioned by Gordon Brown on British citizenship.
source BBC News

What a downright insult! How much more like America do they want us to be


and we are not citizens we are subjects as we are a monarcy! So Gordon Brown, put that in your pipe an smoke it.


I knew Mark Steel wont miss this subject

When Tony Blair and Gordon Brown launched the idea of New Labour, it was as a crusade to be modern...

And they ended up so modern they gave the job of reviewing British citizenship to Lord Goldsmith, who's concluded everyone should undergo a ceremony in which they pledge an oath of allegiance to the Queen. This is so advanced the rest of Europe only abandoned it 200 years ago. So there are probably other bits of his report, not yet published, which go: "Loyal British citizenship will be enhanced by dismantling the system of local government, and replacing it with a network of barons. A sense of modern national unity will be advanced if citizens, who shall also be known as 'serfs', kneel before them on the third Sunday of each month and offer them their wives as chattel. This measure, I feel, should bring about a rapid decrease in the practice of city centre binge-drinking."

One of the questions in the British Citizenship test asks what you should do in the event of someone spilling your drink in the pub. So from now on the correct answer will be: "Challenge them to a duel."

So maybe the boys will have lessons in subjects such as being sexually attracted to Helen Mirren. And teachers will say: "We're very lucky today because Mrs Mirren has kindly agreed to sit at the front of the class for us so off you go. Come on Jenkins, start tingling boy, and Walcott, let's have a bit of drooling shall we, this is a national treasure, surely the odd slobber isn't too much to ask."

Americans,..
But their pledge is to a set of ideas on which the country was founded

Anyway, the thing is we just don't do oaths and pledges of allegiance because they're not British. And anyone who says otherwise should be told they've failed the test, don't understand our culture and have to go and live somewhere else.

lol
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mark-steel/mark-steel-lets-be-modern-and-swear-an-oath-to-the-monarchy-794428.html

243.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 03:30 pm

this article

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03122008/news/regionalnews/80g_addicted_to_love_gov_101541.htm

244.       teaschip
3870 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:15 pm

Quoting Roswitha:

this article

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03122008/news/regionalnews/80g_addicted_to_love_gov_101541.htm



I feel sorry for his family...

245.       geniuda
1070 posts
 12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:18 pm

Quoting girleegirl:


The funny thing is, the Governor was caught because of banking software that tracks all money transfers to look for money laundering. Software that, as New York Attorney General, Spitzer himself lobbied it have beefed up and installed in all financial institutions in New York.
His transfers raised suspicions which lead to the Escort Service and ultimately right back to the Governor.


How stupid, isnt? lol

246.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 01:26 pm

I am sure you are dying to learn who 'Mr and Mrs Slimming World 2008.'
Here we go
Darren Starling Michelle (39) and Andy (46) Smith from Kirkby, Nottinghamshire who have lost over 13 stone together to be crowned Mr and Mrs Slimming World 2008.

before

after




247.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 13 Mar 2008 Thu 10:47 pm

Spitzer stepped down amid a call-girl scandal that made a mockery of his straight-arrow image and left him facing the prospect of criminal charges and perhaps disbarment. Paterson takes over Monday, and requested the time lag so he could prepare and so Spitzer could say a proper goodbye to his staff.

Lawmakers embrace new order
Spitzer and his successor have starkly different leadership styles. While Spitzer was famously abrasive, uncompromising and even insulting, Paterson has built a reputation as a conciliator, and lawmakers quickly embraced the new order.

Barely known outside his Harlem political base, Paterson, 53, has been in New York government since his election to the state Senate in 1985. Though legally blind, he has enough sight in his right eye to walk unaided, recognize people at conversational distance and even read if the text is placed close to his face.

Paterson said he had spoken to Spitzer. “I just told him how sorry I was this happened and how much he still inspires me,” Paterson said.

Of Spitzer’s disclosures and resignation, Paterson said: “I’m getting over it.”

Spitzer resigned Wednesday, making an announcement without securing a plea bargain with federal prosecutors, though a law enforcement official said the former governor was still believed to be negotiating one. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

“I cannot allow my private failings to disrupt the people’s work,” Spitzer said at a Manhattan news conference, his weary-looking wife, Silda, again standing at his side as he answered for his actions for the second time in three days.

Crusader brought down by sex scandal
The resignation brought down the curtain on a riveting drama — played out, sometimes, as farce — that made Spitzer an instant punchline on late-night TV and fascinated Americans with the spectacle of a crusading politician exposed as a hypocrite.

The scandal erupted Monday after federal law enforcement officials disclosed that a wiretap had caught the 48-year-old father of three teenage daughters arranging to spend thousands of dollars on a call girl at a fancy Washington hotel on the night before Valentine’s Day.

Investigators said he had arranged for a prostitute named Kristen to take the train down from New York while he was in the nation’s capital to testify before a congressional subcommittee about the bond industry.

The New York Times reported Wednesday that the woman, born as Ashley Youmans, legally changed her name to Ashley Rae Maika DiPietro and is now known as Ashley Alexandra Dupre. She declined comment when asked by the Times when she first met Spitzer and how many times they had been together.

It was unclear whether she would face charges; attorney Don D. Buchwald confirmed that he represents the same woman in the Times story but wouldn’t comment further.

Law enforcement officials said the governor had hired prostitutes several times before and had spent tens of thousands of dollars, and perhaps as much as $80,000, on the high-priced escort service Emperors Club VIP, whose women charge as much as $5,500 an hour.

Spitzer not charged, future unclear
After making a watery-eyed, nonspecific public apology Monday with his wife by his side, Spitzer continued to talk to family and advisers through Tuesday. By Wednesday morning, aides said, he had decided to resign.


In a statement issued after Spitzer quit, U.S. Attorney Michael Garcia, the chief federal prosecutor in New York, said: “There is no agreement between this office and Gov. Eliot Spitzer relating to his resignation or any other matter.”

Among the possible charges that law enforcement authorities said could be brought against the former governor: soliciting and paying for sex; violating the Mann Act, the 1910 federal law that makes it a crime to take someone across state lines for immoral purposes; and illegally arranging cash transactions to conceal their purpose.

Spitzer could also be disbarred. In New York, an attorney can lose his license to practice law for failing to “conduct himself both professionally and personally, in conformity with the standards of conduct imposed upon members of the bar.”

It was a spectacular collapse for a man who cultivated an image as a hard-nosed politician hell-bent on cleansing the state of corruption. He served two terms as New York attorney general, earning the nickname “Sheriff of Wall Street,” and was elected governor with a record share of the vote in 2006. The tall, athletic, square-jawed Spitzer was sometimes mentioned as a potential candidate for president.

248.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 15 Mar 2008 Sat 02:57 am

Thrills or Chills (re:Spitzer)

There's chemical evidence: sensation seekers have lower levels of monoamine oxidase A, which regulates the brain's levels of dopamine, the "pleasure" neurotransmitter.

Risk Rules! Sensation seekers don't just lust after things--they take them, often disregarding the risks that block their way. "When you're dealing with these high-level, in-your-face, go-for-everything guys, you're dealing with people who take a lot of risks.

He's Hormonal. Alpha males are high on testosterone, the hormone that underlies almost all the typical traits of the politico-sexual animal: high levels of testosterone make for a high sex drive, a love of risks, aggressiveness and competitiveness. "These people have a strong need to win at games, which is obviously important in power politics," says Zuckerman. Success sends their testosterone spiraling up, while a loss brings the levels down—a phenomenon that's been documented in the lab as well as in athletes and chess champions.

Newsweek
http://www.pagesix.com/story/spitzer%20s%20hooker%20revealed

http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2008/03/11/emperors_club/

249.       eddie
0 posts
 16 Mar 2008 Sun 03:08 am

250.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Mar 2008 Sun 12:11 pm

Balloon Dresses
caption says:

Designers have come up with some eye-popping dresses that are made entirely from balloons. Each dress consists of around 300 modelling balloons twisted together and took about ten hours to make. Most of the balloons are 60 inches long and either one or two inches thick. Balloon artist Katie Laibstain, 23, has sold some of her designs for as much as £1,000, even though they are likely to be wearable once only. Fellow balloon artist Steven Jones, 39, said his purple and gold dress took nearly 10 hours to make 'with an additional one and half hours to get the young lady in the piece'.



251.       portokal
2516 posts
 16 Mar 2008 Sun 01:28 pm

Dalai Lama Calls for Tibet Probe

252.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 17 Mar 2008 Mon 05:50 am

Eliot Spitzer is lewd but still shrewd

Spitzer, a moral crusader who humbly announced his resignation days ago, effective Monday, could face other charges too, including soliciting and paying for sex, and illegally arranging cash transactions to conceal their purpose.

"If he's prosecuted under the Mann Act, it's because of who he is rather than what he did," Langum said. "Because he's the governor of New York and because he was a hard-liner on crime."

The act, named for Illinois Congressman James Robert Mann, grew out of hysteria during the turn of the last century over fears that immigrant men were abducting white women and girls who were leaving rural farm areas to work in cities, and forcing them into prostitution, historians said

253.       libralady
5152 posts
 17 Mar 2008 Mon 04:06 pm

At last, the EuP has been taken against Chinese oil giant PetroChina/ CNPC. It has sold it's shares in the company.

The European Parliament has disinvested in a firm accused of being one of the chief bankrollers of the Sudanese regime's military campaign in Darfur after pressure from MEPs and human rights activists.

We wait for more action to be taken!

254.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 18 Mar 2008 Tue 06:32 pm

Obama's speech
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/18/778950.aspx

255.       geniuda
1070 posts
 18 Mar 2008 Tue 08:24 pm

wooow!! Eddie is gone too :-S

256.       libralady
5152 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 09:15 pm

A man and woman loved their dogs so much, that when they brushed them they saved their fur. In fact they saved so much, that when the dogs died, they decided to have the fur spun, make jumpers and wear their dogs with pride!

Doggy Fur jumpers!

257.       libralady
5152 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 09:21 pm

And.............. who says crime does not pay!

A career crimial was imprisioned for around 12 burglaries. Enough one might think, but he had a sudden guilty conscious (so the do gooders will tell you) and called police to his prision cell where he subsequently confessed to a further 305 burglaries. So for several weeks he was taken around his area by police and he duly showed them exactly where he burgled, including details of how he broke in and what he stole! He was taken to court again and the judge gave him just another two months on his sentance, to the outrage of those whose property he had burgled. The judge was astounded by his memory.

Now I can hear you saying 'well done chap', but when you admit to further crimes in prison you cannot be taken to court again when you are released and effectively come out with a clean slate. He sounds like one clever dude to me!

258.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Mar 2008 Thu 12:39 am

Five years ago, on the evening of 19 March 2003, President George Bush appeared on American television to say that military action had started against Iraq.

This is the war that started with lies, and continues with lie after lie after lie
Patrick Cockburn
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/patrick-cockburn-this-is-the-war-that-started-with-lies-and-continues-with-lie-after-lie-after-lie-797788.html

I love this guys writings:
Robert Fisk: The only lesson we ever learn is that we never learn
It is like a history lesson really

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fisk/robert-fisk-the-only-lesson-we-ever-learn-is-that-we-never-learn-797816.html

259.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 02:17 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZmD04YSqhc

http://www.payvand.com/news/07/aug/1246.html

260.       libralady
5152 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 01:46 pm

Ghost flights are an outrage! Empty planes fly long haul! My "favourite" airline BA and still waiting for my compensation for being denyed boarding from Ankara to Heathrow 7 months later!

261.       KeithL
1455 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:30 pm

my driveway this morning...
20 cm of new snow overnight and more coming.

262.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:35 pm

Eggis of Evil
advert by Nulaid eggs from South Africa

caption says:

What better way to promote eggs than use terrorists and despots? The Jupiter Drawing Room came up with these images to promote South African egg producer Nulaid. The eggs depicting Kim Jong Il, Hitler and Bin Laden make up the Eggis of Evil



263.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 22 Mar 2008 Sat 01:09 am

http://www.travelblog.org/Middle-East/Syria/Damascus/blog-145139.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/0/05/20060829211414!Susa_(Iran)_Wall_Painting.JPG

264.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Mar 2008 Sun 05:44 pm

wow..Fatih Terim for Chelsea?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/2008/03/22/roman-you-are-the-one-for-me-fatih-89520-20358945/

265.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 24 Mar 2008 Mon 03:05 pm

US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000

US troops continue to face attacks from Sunni and Shia fighters as the war enters its sixth year

The death toll of US military in Iraq has passed 4,000 after the US Central Command announced that four more troops had died in an attack.

The soldiers were killed on Sunday by a roadside bomb during a patrol in southern Baghdad, the military said on Monday.

At least 50 Iraqis, most of them civilians, also died on Sunday in violence including bomb blasts and shootings.

In the most deadly attack, 13 Iraqi soldiers were killed when a suicide bomber drove a vehicle packed with explosives into a security checkpoint in the northern city of Mosul.

Conflict rages

More than 29,000 American soldiers have been wounded after years of conflict in Iraq, according to the icasualties.org website, which also carried the 4,000-strong US death toll.

The death toll is still considerably smaller than the number of Iraqis who have died in the conflict.

After five years, was the Iraq war worth it?

"It has been left to journalists and academics to try and estimate the number that have died. Estimates vary from 89,000 on the lowest side to the highest figure that I have heard - which is one million," James Bays, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Baghdad, said.

"When you speak to an Iraqi who has stayed here in this country throughout the last five years, everyone knows someone who has died, and most families have lost a family member."

At least 97 per cent of the US military deaths came after George Bush, the US president, announced the end of "major combat" in Iraq on May 1, 2003.
Facing violence

Since the US military toppled Saddam Hussein, Iraq's president, it has faced a violent anti-occupation campaign and witnessed violence between the country's sectarian communities.

"No casualty is more or less significant than another; each soldier, marine, airman and sailor is equally precious and their loss equally tragic," Rear Admiral Gregory Smith, US military spokesman in Baghdad, said of the losses.

"Being in the military means we are willingly in harm's way to protect others in order to bring hope and a sustainable security to the Iraqi people."

The milestone death toll comes day after Bush defended his decision to invade Iraq, saying the US would remain in Iraq and promising American soldiers that they would emerge victorious.

'Far from over'

Hoda Abdel Hamid, Al Jazeera's Iraq correspondent, said the high death toll showed that the conflict had not been fully contained by the US.

In video

The impact of the US death toll on military families


"The Bush administration keeps saying that things are getting better and better. Reaching such a milestone is a reminder that the war is far from over in Iraq," she said.

"We are at a transition period. Despite the fact that the surge is working, despite the fact that the violence has dropped ... things could get much worse underground."

Abdel Hamid said that the "surge" could not work effectively unless it was accompanied by national reconciliation of Iraq's sectarian communities.

Cause of deaths

More than 80 per cent of soldiers killed have died in attacks by al-Qaeda in Iraq, Sunni and Shia fighters, icasualties.org said.

The remainder died in non-combat related incidents.

Around 40 per cent of those killed were struck by roadside bombs, according to the website, making these weapons the main cause of fatalities.


For the US army, 2007 was the deadliest year,
when it lost 901 soldiers in Iraq [AFP]

Small-arms fire was the second biggest killer, the website said, with helicopter crashes, ambushes, rocket attacks and suicide bombings also the cause of many deaths.

The deadliest year for the military in Iraq was 2007 when it lost 901 troops, the icasualties.org website figures said.

This figure compares with 486 deaths in 2003, the first year of the conflict, 849 in 2004, 846 in 2005 and 822 in 2006. Since the start of 2008, 96 soldiers have died.

Vietnam has been the deadliest war for the US military, apart from the two world wars, with 58,000 soldiers killed between 1964 and 1973, an average of 26 a day.

On average, just over two US soldiers die each day in Iraq.

'Surge' debate

American soldiers in Iraq interviewed by news agencies said that while they were sad about the losses, the conflict was justified.

"It's sad that the number is that high. It makes you wonder if there is a different way of approaching things. Nobody likes to hear that number," said senior Airman Preston Reeves, 26, from Birmingham, Alabama.

"Every one of those people signed up voluntarily and it's a shame that that happens, but tragedies do happen in war.

"It's a shame you don't get support from your own country, when all they want you to do is leave Iraq and all these people will have died in vain."

Withdrawal calls

Against the backdrop of the rising US military death toll, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, Democratic candidates for the 2008 presidential nomination, are calling for the withdrawal of troops.

Clinton has said that she may consider pulling troops out of the country after 60 days, she should win the nomination and the presidency.

But John McCain, who is set to become the Republican candidate in the presidential race, has advocated US soldiers remaining in Iraq.

McCain remains a strong supporter of Bush's controversial "surge", which saw 30,000 extra soldiers deployed in an attempt to improve security in Iraq.






266.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Mar 2008 Mon 04:47 pm

Ever thought about cheering up a sick relative in hospital by bringing in their pets?

A Hawaiian man did just that, thought tha he would brighten the day of his sick relative but............

A Hawaiian hospital has restated its rules on pets after a man took a horse up in a lift in a bid to cheer up a sick relative with his favourite steed.
Man and beast were stopped by security guards only after reaching the third floor, after apparently passing through the lobby unchallenged.

The patient was allowed to see them but it turned out to be the wrong horse.


267.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 24 Mar 2008 Mon 09:16 pm

WHERE IS EVERYONE???

268.       kafesteki kus
0 posts
 24 Mar 2008 Mon 10:20 pm

snow on second Easter day..more like xmas mood not easter..ehhhhhhhhhh

269.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 24 Mar 2008 Mon 10:45 pm

Quoting kafesteki kus:

snow on second Easter day..more like xmas mood not easter..ehhhhhhhhhh



Poor thing....the kids all went swimming after our Easter Egg Hunt yesterday....It's good to be in sunny Texas!!

270.       kafesteki kus
0 posts
 24 Mar 2008 Mon 10:49 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting kafesteki kus:

snow on second Easter day..more like xmas mood not easter..ehhhhhhhhhh



Poor thing....the kids all went swimming after our Easter Egg Hunt yesterday....It's good to be in sunny Texas!!

i want to Texas,at least back to Spain.....but every cloud has its silver lining..we call it drink weather... bars and pubs weather...ahhh...Polish romanticism...

271.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 25 Mar 2008 Tue 02:57 am

Penn and Kym
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33mnZi33Mok

272.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Mar 2008 Tue 12:59 pm

World Water Day (I never knew there was one)
http://www.worldwaterday.org

And gaza again

caption says:

March 22, 2008, Khan Younis, Gaza Strip, Palestinian Territories: Palestinians fill their bottles with potable water at the only water purification station in Khan Younis, northern Gaza Strip. In the Occasion of the World Day for Water approved March 22, Palestinians still suffer from lack of potable water and resort to water purification stations for transport their needing of safe drinking water

273.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 25 Mar 2008 Tue 05:24 pm

Handsom's knowledge of fetishes!!! He's a wicked monkey!!

274.       catwoman
8933 posts
 25 Mar 2008 Tue 06:34 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Handsom's knowledge of fetishes!!! He's a wicked monkey!!


+1
Loveprague was right about turkish guys... :-S

275.       karpusqueen
0 posts
 25 Mar 2008 Tue 09:01 pm

Have the thread statistics been changed? I'm sure it used to show the number of viewings a thread had as well as the number of replies.

276.       catwoman
8933 posts
 25 Mar 2008 Tue 09:20 pm

Quoting karpusqueen:

Have the thread statistics been changed? I'm sure it used to show the number of viewings a thread had as well as the number of replies.


Oh.... Thank you queen I'll inform the right people...

277.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 12:25 am

Sad news today:

Vienna - One motorist was killed and 37 other persons injured in a mass pile-up on the Vienna-Salzburg motorway amid heavy snowfalls on Tuesday, police officials said. The accident took place on the stretch between Seewalch and St. Georgen on a highway covered in ice from a winter storm which struck the European continent.

The person killed was a woman from Switzerland who was hurled from her car in the collision and then run over by a lorry, officials said.

The autobahn, or motorway, was closed in both directions as rescue efforts involving dozens of ambulances and helicopters got underway. The efforts were hampered by ongoing heavy snowfall and poor visibility.

Officials also revised downwards the numbers of injured and the vehicles involved once they had a better assessment of the scene where dozens of cars had smashed into and piled atop each other in a scene of chaos.

Initial reports had spoken of at least 60 injured and upwards of 100 cars.

Police cited not only the slippery road conditions and poor visibility, but also blamed motorists for driving too fast, as factors in the mass collision.

Meanhwile, parts of Austria have been hit by harsh winter again. Meteorological services in Tyrol warned of "deep wintry conditions" and the danger of avalanches has increased dramatically in the Austrian Alps.

At least 20 centimetres of new snow were measured in west and north Tyrol and up to a half metre of snowfall was expected by Tuesday evening. The latest snowfall has led to mass traffic delays on several roads.

Five centimetres of snow fell in valleys across Salzburg state and up to 30 centimetres have been forecast for Wednesday.

The avalanche warning service has raised the risk of avalanches to "high" in areas where they have been particularly heavy falls of new snow namely in Silvretta, Arlberg/Ausserfern, the Northern Alps and the Kitzbuehler Alpen. The Salzburger Land region was also in danger of avalanches.

Avalanches were to be expected because of the weight of the new snow.

278.       karpusqueen
0 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 12:38 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting karpusqueen:

Have the thread statistics been changed? I'm sure it used to show the number of viewings a thread had as well as the number of replies.


Oh.... Thank you queen I'll inform the right people...



Well of course it doesn't matter, I just wondered if I was imagining it. Queen? hmmmmm queen . . . queen . . . What's wrong with plain old Karpus , or should it be Karpuz?

279.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 01:10 am

same sad news: MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23791873/

280.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 01:23 am

Quoting catwoman:


Oh.... Thank you queen I'll inform the right people...


There is(was) only one queen here..

281.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 01:28 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting catwoman:


Oh.... Thank you queen I'll inform the right people...


There is(was) only one queen here..


There IS another queen here? Is it YOU?

282.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 01:31 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting catwoman:


Oh.... Thank you queen I'll inform the right people...


There is(was) only one queen here..


There IS another queen here? Is it YOU?


I dont think my gender will let me to be a queen..

283.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 01:35 am

Quoting thehandsom:

I dont think my gender will let me to be a queen..


It doesn't matter, if you want to be the queen, you got it!

284.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 01:47 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting thehandsom:

I dont think my gender will let me to be a queen..


It doesn't matter, if you want to be the queen, you got it!


you got it wrong again!!
anyway..
This reminded me beauty contests in turkey in each town.(and also, there is a big contest for miss Turkey)

-tomato queen
-potato queen
-paper queen
-karpuz queen
goes on and on. lol lol


285.       karpusqueen
0 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 01:54 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting catwoman:


Oh.... Thank you queen I'll inform the right people...


There is(was) only one queen here..



Maybe "is" is the operative word here.

286.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 02:22 pm

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E9A36960-AB5A-43E7-A637-4628328249EB.htm?choice=3&dgDiscID=261&dgPoolID=86366c05-c904-4fe2-839e-c91a0be8ec18

287.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 02:35 pm

Carl Warner

http://www.yumsugar.com/928943

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10497629

288.       libralady
5152 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 02:58 pm

More what I heard!

A wild beaver has been spotted on / in the Thames area of London, the first one for 400 years! Now that does surprise me lol

289.       cybernetics
753 posts
 27 Mar 2008 Thu 12:10 pm

Are we alone ?

do you want to see a ufo on google earth ?

copy these cordinations and paste on 'Fly To' on google earth program. you can see a very interesting object. ( dont forget to make zoom )

they positions are in West of Romania, southeast of Timisoara..

first ufo direction: 45 42'12.16'N 21 18'7.20'E

second ufo direction: 45 42'2.49'N 21 15'49.35'E


picture is here:



290.       kafesteki kus
0 posts
 28 Mar 2008 Fri 12:35 am

Quoting cybernetics:

Are we alone ?

do you want to see a ufo on google earth ?

copy these cordinations and paste on 'Fly To' on google earth program. you can see a very interesting object. ( dont forget to make zoom )

they positions are in West of Romania, southeast of Timisoara..

first ufo direction: 45 42'12.16'N 21 18'7.20'E

second ufo direction: 45 42'2.49'N 21 15'49.35'E


picture is here:




arthur c ,clark the author of space oddessey2002 used to say"either we are alone in space or not,both possibilities r equally terryfing"
sorry,laptop keybord...cannot get used to it))))

291.       cybernetics
753 posts
 28 Mar 2008 Fri 02:07 pm

i agree with arthur c, clark

292.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 28 Mar 2008 Fri 03:56 pm

Chaos at the opening of Heathrow Terminal 5


http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/27/europe/heathrow.php

293.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 28 Mar 2008 Fri 04:07 pm

The 10 deadliest drugs
http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100198254&page=2

294.       teaschip
3870 posts
 29 Mar 2008 Sat 01:06 am

Quoting Roswitha:

The 10 deadliest drugs
http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100198254&page=2



I was shocked to see Actamenophine on this list, who knew Tylenol would be...

295.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Mar 2008 Sat 01:18 am

Iraqi government's shaky authority
Can they really finish mehdi army?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/stalled-assault-on-basra-exposes-the-iraqi-governments-shaky-authority-801776.html

and ..
US President George W Bush has called the Iraqi government offensive against militiamen in Basra "a defining moment in the history of a free Iraq".
phew
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7319678.stm

296.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 30 Mar 2008 Sun 05:11 pm

MESSENGERS FROM GOD
caption reads:

Asieh, a rat child,with her sisters at their house in a village near Gujrat. Asieh is a 9 year old girl living with her family. One of her brothers and one of her sisters have died from the same condition a few years ago. In Pakistan, children afflicted with a condition known as microcephaly, stemming from a variety of possible factors, have a distinctly smaller head and receding forehead. Known as rat children, in this society they are considered closer to God, or messengers


297.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 30 Mar 2008 Sun 05:14 pm

OCTOPUSHY
caption reads:

Underwater hockey (also called Octopush) is a non-contact sport in which two teams compete to maneuver a puck across the bottom of a swimming pool into goals. This pictures are about the only amateur portuguese underwater hockey team who is training to the european championship in Turkey

298.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 30 Mar 2008 Sun 05:19 pm

Kamaiya
caption reads

Kalali region, November 2007 Ð Tharu ethnic group is subjected to a terrible kind of slavery named Kamaiya. The kamaiya is a slave, or forced worker, who had to subdue to one or more ÒmastersÓ in order to pay for a debt, even if a small one. As debts do not come to an end with the debtorÕs death, the condition of kamaiya is inherited for generations from father to son, from an individual to a whole family


299.       libralady
5152 posts
 30 Mar 2008 Sun 05:41 pm

Quoting Roswitha:

Chaos at the opening of Heathrow Terminal 5


http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/27/europe/heathrow.php



And the chaos continues! With in the region of 15,000 lost bags to be reunited with their owners! 6 months of testing the systems.

300.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 03:04 pm

GIANT PANDAS MATE AT A CHINESE ZOO (around 10am on the 29th March!!!)
caption reads:

Two Giant pandas Qing Qing, male, and Ying Ying, female, make love at the Wolong Giant Panda Protection and Research Center in Wolong, southwest Chinas Sichuan province on the 29th March 2008. 11-year-old male giant panda Qing Qing and 17-year-old female giant panda Ying Ying started to mate around 10am on the 29th March. It took them 2 minutes and 9 seconds to finish the mating, according to the timing made by Tang Chunxiang, a researcher of the Wolong Giant Panda Protection and Research Center. Tang said giant pandas have very selective on mating. The researchers of the center will perform an artificial insemination on Ying Ying to make sure that she will be pregnant

301.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 08:33 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

GIANT PANDAS MATE AT A CHINESE ZOO


Only you would be able to find a way to post "panda porn" on TC!!!

302.       teaschip
3870 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 09:48 pm

Not to mention 2 minutes and 9 seconds.

303.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 09:57 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting thehandsom:

GIANT PANDAS MATE AT A CHINESE ZOO


Only you would be able to find a way to post "panda porn" on TC!!!



First Bunny Porn now Panda Porn! That's it...I think TC has sunk to a new low! Shame on you!!

304.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 10:23 pm

This is one area that we haven't been censored yet so come on handsom...post some more animal porn!!!


Oops, am I off topic?

305.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 10:24 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

This is one area that we haven't been censored yet so come on handsom...post some more animal porn!!!


Oops, am I off topic?



I sense you are a bed amerikan!

306.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 10:27 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:


I sense you are a bed amerikan!


Actually, I am....very very bed!! lol

307.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 10:29 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

GIANT PANDAS MATE AT A CHINESE ZOO (around 10am on the 29th March!!!)
caption reads:

Two Giant pandas Qing Qing, male, and Ying Ying, female, make love at the Wolong Giant Panda Protection and Research Center in Wolong, southwest Chinas Sichuan province on the 29th March 2008. 11-year-old male giant panda Qing Qing and 17-year-old female giant panda Ying Ying started to mate around 10am on the 29th March. It took them 2 minutes and 9 seconds to finish the mating, according to the timing made by Tang Chunxiang, a researcher of the Wolong Giant Panda Protection and Research Center. Tang said giant pandas have very selective on mating. The researchers of the center will perform an artificial insemination on Ying Ying to make sure that she will be pregnant



That was my wedding anniversary....it's been defiled!! YUCK!

308.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 10:30 pm

Uh oh! I see kitty here and I sense I am gonna get in trouble for asking handsom to post animal porn!!!

309.       catwoman
8933 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 10:44 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Uh oh! I see kitty here and I sense I am gonna get in trouble for asking handsom to post animal porn!!!


Excuse-moi??!!!!!

310.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 10:49 pm

Quoting catwoman:


Excuse-moi??!!!!!


Uhhh.....HI KITTY!!!

311.       catwoman
8933 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 10:52 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman:


Excuse-moi??!!!!!


Uhhh.....HI KITTY!!!


Hello dear... come here, let me give you hug!

312.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 11:02 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman:


Excuse-moi??!!!!!


Uhhh.....HI KITTY!!!


Hello dear... come here, let me give you hug!


That's ok, I don't need a hug. Ummm....I have to go now. I have to go inspect our new building. Yeah....that's it.....I gotta go!!!!!!!!!!!

313.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 02:15 am

Quoting girleegirl:

That's ok, I don't need a hug. Ummm....I have to go now. I have to go inspect our new building. Yeah....that's it.....I gotta go!!!!!!!!!!!


Don't run away!!! I'll find you...

314.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 02:18 am

Quoting catwoman:


Don't run away!!! I'll find you...


Oh crap! I just got back!!! What were you doing, lying in wait for me????

315.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 02:25 am

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman:


Don't run away!!! I'll find you...


Oh crap! I just got back!!! What were you doing, lying in wait for me????


Did you eat the dessert that I left for you..???

316.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 02:29 am

Quoting catwoman:


Did you eat the dessert that I left for you..???


Oh! Did you leave that? We stopped for some amazing frozen yogurt on the way back from the new building and I was just too full to eat another bite!

317.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 03:00 am

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting catwoman:


Did you eat the dessert that I left for you..???


Oh! Did you leave that? We stopped for some amazing frozen yogurt on the way back from the new building and I was just too full to eat another bite!


damn!

318.       kafesteki kus
0 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 12:05 pm

It sounds like the news of April fool´s day,but it is not.
The news made my day.
The policeman on duty running after shoplifters,in his uniform ,totally armed ,caught them after 50 m having wonderful sprint time.
It would not be funny if the shoplifters(stealing sweets by the way)were not representatives of national athlete team in dash.
Happened in Poland.
Well,either we have such good policemen or such bad athletes lol

319.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 12:29 pm


Colony of flying penguins has been discoverd in the antarctic and a film documentary has been made. This is a 90 mininte film, but just so you can get the feel of it, I posted the BBC link.

Amazing! What will they discover next?

320.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 01:35 pm

Quoting libralady:


Colony of flying penguins has been discoverd in the antarctic and a film documentary has been made. This is a 90 mininte film, but just so you can get the feel of it, I posted the BBC link.

Amazing! What will they discover next?


wow..I never knew they could fly!!

321.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 01:53 pm

You can only watch it in the UK

322.       libralady
5152 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 01:52 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

You can only watch it in the UK



Well maybe that was just as well! It was rather a poor attempt at an April fools joke on behalf of the BBC!

323.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 10:44 pm

Quoting libralady:

Quoting Deli_kizin:

You can only watch it in the UK



Well maybe that was just as well! It was rather a poor attempt at an April fools joke on behalf of the BBC!


And I believed it

324.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 10:46 pm

PM leaps to defence of immigrants after Lords claim they do nothing for Britain

Mr Brown told his monthly press conference that migration had added £6bn to the economy and was a "substantial income".
Most British businesses that have faced labour shortages had benefited from being able to recruit more widely for skilled labour, he added.
he said gross domestic product per head had risen since 1997 from £13,900 to £22,840 in the past year. He said a cap on immigrants could be applied only to those outside the EU. "Most people who are proposing a cap are proposing a cap of only 20 per cent of possible migrants," he said. "Many of these people are the highly skilled workers who are important to the economy."

AND I vote for labour of course


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-leaps-to-defence-of-immigrants-after-lords-claim-they-do-nothing-for-britain-803534.html

325.       libralady
5152 posts
 03 Apr 2008 Thu 11:43 am

Quoting thehandsom:

PM leaps to defence of immigrants after Lords claim they do nothing for Britain

Mr Brown told his monthly press conference that migration had added £6bn to the economy and was a "substantial income".
Most British businesses that have faced labour shortages had benefited from being able to recruit more widely for skilled labour, he added.
he said gross domestic product per head had risen since 1997 from £13,900 to £22,840 in the past year. He said a cap on immigrants could be applied only to those outside the EU. "Most people who are proposing a cap are proposing a cap of only 20 per cent of possible migrants," he said. "Many of these people are the highly skilled workers who are important to the economy."

AND I vote for labour of course


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-leaps-to-defence-of-immigrants-after-lords-claim-they-do-nothing-for-britain-803534.html



The new points based system being introduced into the UK to stem the flow of migrants will only affect those from outside the EEA countries. At first they have introduced Tier 1 in February, and this will affect highly skilled workers, such as doctors, dentist, Civil Engineers etc etc. They will need to be able to accumulate 75 points and that is based on salary, level of English and education. It only extends as far as India at the moment, but will be introduced to the rest of the world by the end of the year.

In the following years, Tier 2, for skilled workers, again on salary and education levels.

Tier 3 will be where it really hits, non-skilled workers, and those that will be affected most will the food industry, such as Indian, Chinese and Turkish restaurants. When it comes time to re-aply for visa's this system will come into play. It is already affecting Philipino nurses, lured to the UK a few years ago to fill gaps in nursing. Now they are being sent home as they don't meet the new requirements.

Immigration will still take place in the EEA countries but the Poles are already turning back being lured by a better economy and higher standard of living (than previous) in Poland.

326.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 03 Apr 2008 Thu 12:20 pm

Quoting libralady:



Immigration will still take place in the EEA countries but the Poles are already turning back being lured by a better economy and higher standard of living (than previous) in Poland.



I wouldn't count on that, what is happening is the exchange of labour-force. The Poles that came over there a few years ago earned what they needed and now they're coming back to work out a pension at home. New ones will come for sure. I remember from my teaching days at a secondary school that most of my students' short-term plan was to go to the UK or ROI for a couple of years.

Economy in Poland might be better, still, there's no chance to make as much as in the UK when you're a blue-collar worker. The prices, on the other hand, are similar. E.g. if you want to buy a flat you'll have to pay from 1130 - 2700 pounds per square metre ($ 2230-5400 ) while the average income is 340 pounds/month net ($700 )...

327.       libralady
5152 posts
 03 Apr 2008 Thu 01:25 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting libralady:



Immigration will still take place in the EEA countries but the Poles are already turning back being lured by a better economy and higher standard of living (than previous) in Poland.



I wouldn't count on that, what is happening is the exchange of labour-force. The Poles that came over there a few years ago earned what they needed and now they're coming back to work out a pension at home. New ones will come for sure. I remember from my teaching days at a secondary school that most of my students' short-term plan was to go to the UK or ROI for a couple of years.

Economy in Poland might be better, still, there's no chance to make as much as in the UK when you're a blue-collar worker. The prices, on the other hand, are similar. E.g. if you want to buy a flat you'll have to pay from 1130 - 2700 pounds per square metre ($ 2230-5400 ) while the average income is 340 pounds/month net ($700 )...



I am referring more to the construction industry where there is a definite shift. With the EURO2012 construction in Warsaw, then we are seeing construction workers returning and a definite drop in those coming. There is strong competition for construction workers here because it coincides with the Olympic development and other major construction work. Interesting times ahead I think! btw Poles are hard workers and put many of our Brits to shame!

328.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 03 Apr 2008 Thu 03:04 pm

heheh you've got a point there, there's plenty of construction work getting ready for Euro 2012. I've heard on the news it's going to be Chinese workers and Ukrainian ones who'll build us sports facilities lol

329.       libralady
5152 posts
 03 Apr 2008 Thu 03:17 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

heheh you've got a point there, there's plenty of construction work getting ready for Euro 2012. I've heard on the news it's going to be Chinese workers and Ukrainian ones who'll build us sports facilities lol



I have also heard that it will be Romanian, Bulgarian, and Turks (on good authority!)

330.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 03 Apr 2008 Thu 03:20 pm

Quoting libralady:

Quoting Daydreamer:

heheh you've got a point there, there's plenty of construction work getting ready for Euro 2012. I've heard on the news it's going to be Chinese workers and Ukrainian ones who'll build us sports facilities lol



I have also heard that it will be Romanian, Bulgarian, and Turks (on good authority!)



Really? That's great

331.       libralady
5152 posts
 03 Apr 2008 Thu 04:19 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting libralady:

Quoting Daydreamer:

heheh you've got a point there, there's plenty of construction work getting ready for Euro 2012. I've heard on the news it's going to be Chinese workers and Ukrainian ones who'll build us sports facilities lol



I have also heard that it will be Romanian, Bulgarian, and Turks (on good authority!)



Really? That's great



Yes and I have had to turn down a project which would have meant I would have to come to Turkey!

Now we have hijacked the thread, so this is my last post on the subject!

332.       libralady
5152 posts
 03 Apr 2008 Thu 11:16 pm

We have a nice little law in the UK which makes sexual harrassment illegal (fair enough!) and as from Sunday, it will be the reponsibility of bar owers/managers to protect their staff against sexual harrassment from customers. If they fail to do so then the employee will be able to take their employer to employment tribunal.

So we wait in anticipation for the first £2m law suit on sexual harrassment of bar staff!

Surely it goes with the territory and if you are not strong enough to deal with it, then why work in a bar in the first place?

Yours truely
Mrs Not very sympathetic and Britain really has gone bonkers

333.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 03 Apr 2008 Thu 11:35 pm

Quoting libralady:

We have a nice little law in the UK which makes sexual harrassment illegal (fair enough!) and as from Sunday, it will be the reponsibility of bar owers/managers to protect their staff against sexual harrassment from customers. If they fail to do so then the employee will be able to take their employer to employment tribunal.

So we wait in anticipation for the first £2m law suit on sexual harrassment of bar staff!

Surely it goes with the territory and if you are not strong enough to deal with it, then why work in a bar in the first place?

Yours truely
Mrs Not very sympathetic and Britain really has gone bonkers



LL does this apply to strip clubs too??? Seems like there will be an awful lot of lawsuits coming up!

334.       KeithL
1455 posts
 08 Apr 2008 Tue 12:54 am

lots and lots of snow. Its supposed to be spring!!!!
Over 80 cm of snow in 2 days this weekend.

335.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 08 Apr 2008 Tue 10:50 am

Quoting KeithL:

lots and lots of snow. Its supposed to be spring!!!!
Over 80 cm of snow in 2 days this weekend.



A tiny request. Next time you sweep your porch please don't do it eastwards if you're in the US or westwards if you're in Turkey. The snow you sweep away gets to Ireland! And I have just made a nice bed of plants

336.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 08 Apr 2008 Tue 05:38 pm



337.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 08 Apr 2008 Tue 11:55 pm

Fenerbahçe - Chelsea

0-2

338.       bydand
749 posts
 09 Apr 2008 Wed 12:29 am

Ayla's name on the list of deleted users.She will be greatly missed for the work she did for this site.

339.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Apr 2008 Wed 01:23 am

Quoting bydand:

Ayla's name on the list of deleted users.She will be greatly missed for the work she did for this site.



+1

I'm very sorry she decided to go. Hope she will come back!

340.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 09 Apr 2008 Wed 03:47 pm

Diesel Fumes Help Clog Arteries
Researchers track the way particles trigger inflammation
By Ed Edelson
Posted 7/26/07
THURSDAY, July 26 (HealthDay News) -- Scientists say they've spotted the biochemical process that makes diesel exhaust so dangerous to human arteries.

An interaction between the fine particles found in diesel exhaust and the fatty acids in LDL ("bad") cholesterol activates genes that then cause inflammation in blood vessels, a team from the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) report.

This process accelerates atherosclerosis -- a buildup of fatty deposits that can eventually lead to complete vessel blockage, according to the study in the July 26 online issue of Genome Biology.

The mechanism is one key way that "chemicals in diesel exhaust impact the cardiovascular system," said Dr. Andre Nel, chief of nanomedicine at the UCLA David Geffen School of Medicine. "We have done an analysis of genes that respond to those chemicals in synergy with the components of bad cholesterol."

LDL cholesterol is usually described as the bad kind because it is involved in blood vessel damage, in contrast to "good" HDL cholesterol, which works to prevent such damage.

In a series of studies, the UCLA scientists combined particulate diesel pollutants with fatty acids found in LDL cholesterol, studying their interactions with free radicals -- highly reactive molecules that can damage cells. They exposed cells to this mixture and then extracted genetic material from those cells.

Genes that promote cellular inflammation were found to be highly activated in those cells. Inflammation is well known as a contributor to atherosclerosis, Nel said.

"The primary implication of our finding is that for people who have cardiovascular risk factors such as high blood cholesterol, simultaneous exposure to diesel air pollution can enhance damage by enhancing inflammation in the cardiovascular system," Nel said.

The UCLA research team now is working to develop a test, such as measurement of a protein produced in response to air pollution, that could be used to assess the safety of people working or living in areas with different levels of pollution, he said.

Nel's work is an important part of ongoing research on the damaging molecular effects of air pollution from diesel and other sources, said Dr. John Balbus, chief of health sciences of Environmental Defense, a watchdog group.

"There have been lots of studies of inflammation," Balbus said. "This one goes down to the genetic level, and finds a pattern of gene expression that is particularly associated with diesel exhaust."

While such laboratory work has been going over for the past five to 10 years, epidemiological studies have also tightened the link between cardiovascular risk and exposure to pollutants, Balbus said. He cited a recent German study that found that living near a major source of pollution, such as a highway, was associated with a higher incidence of atherosclerosis.

"That was observational data in real people," he said. "When you put that together with the laboratory work, you have a very convincing picture."

"This study is more evidence of why we need to become more aggressive in cleaning up existing diesel engines," said Frank O'Donnell, director of Clean Air Watch, a private organization.

Chances that diesel engines will be used as commonly in the United States as in Europe, where they are found in many cars, are slim, because U.S. pollution standards are tougher, O'Donnell said.

"The real big problem remains the many thousands of diesel engines in construction equipment, old trucks and buses," he said. "The biggest bang for the buck would come from cleaning up existing diesel engines."

341.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 10 Apr 2008 Thu 12:17 am

342.       kafesteki kus
0 posts
 10 Apr 2008 Thu 11:47 am

Indian girl born with 2 faces worshipped as a goddess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Kmv-cg6Uc

343.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 10 Apr 2008 Thu 11:51 am

Ouch! There must be something going on in India, I've recently read about an Indian girl who underwent an operation because well..check out yourselves:

344.       libralady
5152 posts
 10 Apr 2008 Thu 03:03 pm

One of our Lib Democrat politicians has admited to sleeping with "no more" than 30 partners! How is that for honesty lol

345.       KeithL
1455 posts
 10 Apr 2008 Thu 03:58 pm

Quoting libralady:

One of our Lib Democrat politicians has admited to sleeping with "no more" than 30 partners! How is that for honesty lol



in his life or since (he/she) has been in office?

346.       Capoeira
575 posts
 10 Apr 2008 Thu 07:06 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting libralady:

One of our Lib Democrat politicians has admited to sleeping with "no more" than 30 partners! How is that for honesty lol



in his life or since (he/she) has been in office?



Does it matter?

347.       KeithL
1455 posts
 10 Apr 2008 Thu 11:13 pm

only curious why this is significant in his country?

348.       karpusqueen
0 posts
 10 Apr 2008 Thu 11:21 pm

Quoting KeithL:

only curious why this is significant in his country?



Are you referring to the politician who's admitted to having 30 partners?

30 Partners!!!!! Bloomin' excessive if you ask me. His admitting to it seems a tad stupid too, given he's a politician . . . everyone knows all politicians have something to hide anyway

349.       geniuda
1070 posts
 11 Apr 2008 Fri 12:04 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

Ouch! There must be something going on in India, I've recently read about an Indian girl who underwent an operation because well..check out yourselves


This is another case..
I saw this in morning news a couple of days ago; It impressed me a lot. I respect other people's beliefs but how can they believe these kind of things are "miracles"?

Two Faced Indian Baby

350.       libralady
5152 posts
 11 Apr 2008 Fri 05:00 pm

A group of young men, dressed as gladiators, on the underground in London! Not only caught my eye, but completely grabbed my attention WOW!!!!!!

351.       teaschip
3870 posts
 11 Apr 2008 Fri 05:02 pm

Quoting libralady:

A group of young men, dressed as gladiators, on the underground in London! Not only caught my eye, but completely grabbed my attention WOW!!!!!!



Actors? Fashion statement?

352.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 11 Apr 2008 Fri 10:07 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting libralady:

A group of young men, dressed as gladiators, on the underground in London! Not only caught my eye, but completely grabbed my attention WOW!!!!!!



Actors? Fashion statement?



It must be the latest fashion craze....Gladiator Gear!

353.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Apr 2008 Sun 04:44 am

Stolen artefacts from Turkey
Artifacts stolen from Turkish mosques between 2002 & 2003 were officially handed back to Turkey today at The turkish Embassy London, after an on going investigation by the Metropolitan Police - Art & Antiques Unit & Turkish Interpol.










Istanbul Cezeri Kasim Pasa Mosque Tile Panel,Amasya Mehmet Pasa Mosque Minbar Door Wings,Istanbul Yeni Mosque Huner Kasr tile Panels

354.       incişka
746 posts
 13 Apr 2008 Sun 10:50 pm

art????

355.       KeithL
1455 posts
 14 Apr 2008 Mon 04:55 am

Quoting incişka:

art????



that is just heart-breaking...
no man nor animal deserves to die this way...

356.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Apr 2008 Mon 12:51 pm

I wonder to what extent can artists use their right to shock and where the boundary between an art statement and a mere provocation lies...If I hang dead human foetuses on a line to make people think about the interaction of life and death will that make me an artist or a provider for deviated minds?

357.       lady in red
6947 posts
 14 Apr 2008 Mon 01:05 pm

Can someone tell me what the last three posts are referring to? Obviously not thehandsom's last post but the thread is too long for me to wade through and look for it! (just out of curiosity following the three comments)

358.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Apr 2008 Mon 01:07 pm

Check out Inciska's link

Quoting incişka:

art????

359.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Apr 2008 Mon 04:14 pm

BULGARIAN MAN WHO SWAPPED HIS WIFE FOR A GOAT

caption reads:
Pictured is Elena the goat on the 6th April 2008. A luckless Bulgarian farmer who was been married three times has now married his goat. Stoil Panayotov, exchanged his third wife with Elena the 8-year-old goat at a livestock market in March - because she couldn't provide him with a child. The extraordinary deal was concluded in front of a stunned crowd in the market town of Plovdiv, central Bulgaria.



Pictured is Stoil Panayotov on the 6th April 2008.

===============
ps..up to here, the story is a true story..

But with an impeccable journalism, I managed to find below picture as well.


and this is her third wife:

360.       lady in red
6947 posts
 14 Apr 2008 Mon 05:15 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Check out Inciska's link

Quoting incişka:

art????



Thanks - stupidly didn't realise it was a link. That is so horrible

361.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 14 Apr 2008 Mon 08:14 pm

This..........



362.       geniuda
1070 posts
 14 Apr 2008 Mon 08:34 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

This..........




Holy moly!! what is that?? is that an inflatable man? I think he has been over pumped

363.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 14 Apr 2008 Mon 08:47 pm

Quoting geniuda:


Holy moly!! what is that?? is that an inflatable man? I think he has been over pumped


I don't know what you call it but I call it SCARY!!!

364.       geniuda
1070 posts
 14 Apr 2008 Mon 08:52 pm

now that I mentioned the word "inflatable" It reminded me of an ad I saw in a website about "inflatable male dolls". Sorry, but due to the content of such site, I cant provide the source link

"Don't you wish that you could inflate and deflate a man at will? It would be so much more convenient if you could just make a husband appear and disappear whenever you want. Do you want the windows washed? Inflate him. Want the bed to yourself? Deflate him. Need a date for a company event? Inflate a man with a tuxedo. Need the lawn mowed and the bushes trimmed? Inflate a man with a toolbelt. Life would be so easy!!"

ohh sure!! who doesnt?? that is why I am placing my order right now lol lol lol

365.       lady in red
6947 posts
 15 Apr 2008 Tue 11:14 am

Quoting girleegirl:

This..........





It's the stuff of nightmares!!!! Surely he can't be real??

366.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 12:33 pm

Red Ken vs blue Boris/ Ken vs Blond Bombshell for LONDON mayor.


I am voting for Ken but Here are some gaffes from Boris:

I am polymorphous pervert

Mr Johnson told a fringe meeting he would ban sweets in schools, but added: "If I was in charge I would get rid of Jamie Oliver and tell people to eat what they like." He said: "Mothers have been driven to pushing pies through fences. The solution is not to provide healthy stuff."
He later claimed he had been misinterpreted and thought Mr Oliver was "a national saint". "The BBC are completely wrong," he said, adding: "What I said was 'let them eat liver and bacon'."

told a fringe meeting safety seats for children in cars were "utterly demented", adding: "When I was growing up we all bounced around like peas in a rattle - did it do us any harm?"

"As a Scot, Gordon Brown will find it hard to convince people in England he should be prime minister."

"Supposing Tower Hamlets or parts of Bradford were to become governed by religious zealots believing in that system. Are we ready for complete autonomy if it means sharia law? I believe we should make people feel more British first, before encouraging more balkanisation and multiculturalism."

In a Daily Telegraph column, he wrote: "For 10 years we in the Tory Party have become used to Papua New Guinea-style orgies of cannibalism and chief-killing, and so it is with a happy amazement that we watch as the madness engulfs the Labour Party."
Papua New Guinea's high commissioner in London was not best pleased by this comparison and demanded an apology.
Mr Johnson obliged, saying: "I meant no insult to the people of Papua New Guinea who I'm sure lead lives of blameless bourgeois domesticity in common with the rest of us."
He promised to "add Papua New Guinea to my global itinerary of apology".


Mr Johnson annoyed Portsmouth councillors by calling the city "one of the most depressed towns in southern England, a place that is arguably too full of drugs, obesity, underachievement and Labour MPs", in an article for the men's magazine GQ.
They demanded he apologise and visit the city. But the Conservative Party said figures backed Mr Johnson's comments and politicians should not criticise him for speaking the truth.

367.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 07:31 pm

What caught my eye????? Handsom's post about politicians in London....it reminded me of a note that my son's school sent home, reminding the parents not to send their children to school with Coca Cola in thier lunches. I don't usually let my son drink soda...however, something in me gets irritated when schools tell me how to feed my child!

368.       lady in red
6947 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 07:44 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

What caught my eye????? Handsom's post about politicians in London....it reminded me of a note that my son's school sent home, reminding the parents not to send their children to school with Coca Cola in thier lunches. I don't usually let my son drink soda...however, something in me gets irritated when schools tell me how to feed my child!



A friend of mine's son is in the Ana Sınıfı (like pre-school) at the local school and the mothers are given a weekly list of exactly what to put in their children's lunch packs!! Not sure if this is to avoid jealousy or to ensure they eat healthily! But I don't know if this is the custom all over Turkey or just something they do in this particular school

369.       geniuda
1070 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 07:47 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

however, something in me gets irritated when schools tell me how to feed my child!


Well, Lis lets not forget that there lots of mothers who really don’t know how to feed their children and they let them eat all those goodies they love. I don’t let my son drink sodas either, especially if it is Coke..he knows he cant drink it unless he has my permission. But honestly, I see many mothers letting their kids eat so much junk…which really makes me upset sometimes, but what can I do? I can’t tell these mothers how to feed their children. So maybe they do this at school as a general reminder..not exactly directed to you

370.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 07:55 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

What caught my eye????? Handsom's post about politicians in London....it reminded me of a note that my son's school sent home, reminding the parents not to send their children to school with Coca Cola in thier lunches. I don't usually let my son drink soda...however, something in me gets irritated when schools tell me how to feed my child!


First they are telling you how to dress your child, now they are telling you how to feed your child? What's next???

How did your meeting with the principal go by the way?

371.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 08:00 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Elisabeth:

What caught my eye????? Handsom's post about politicians in London....it reminded me of a note that my son's school sent home, reminding the parents not to send their children to school with Coca Cola in thier lunches. I don't usually let my son drink soda...however, something in me gets irritated when schools tell me how to feed my child!


First they are telling you how to dress your child, now they are telling you how to feed your child? What's next???

How did your meeting with the principal go by the way?



My meeting with "the Man" went as expected. I told them what I thought and they told me that they understood....something about the greater good, blah blah blah....I basically just wasted my time but at least I got to vent a little! As for the Coke issue....I just feel like if you have something to say to certain parents, say it to certain parents. There is not need to be so passive aggressive and send out a note to every parent like we are all idiots! See, now I vented again....and I feel better...THANKS!!

GG - how about that David Cook last night on AI....WOW!

372.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 16 Apr 2008 Wed 08:43 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:


GG - how about that David Cook last night on AI....WOW!


Offffffffffff!!! I missed Idol last night! I had a study group and when I got home, I found that my DVR had not recorded it (insert 'discussion' with my husband about changing the DVR settings when it comes to AI ).
I'm going to have to catch up with everything on YouTube sometime today.

373.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 12:33 am

Be careful with your salad

Popeye the Eastern Dwarf Tree Frog who was trapped in a bag of ready-to eat spinach on 15th April 2008. A Queensland woman who had bought a bag of pre-mixed spinach, from a shop near Queensland's Currumbin Wildlife Sanctuary, discovered the frog hiding in the sealed bag when she arrived home. She opened the bag and rushed him to the Currumbin Wildlife Sanctuary Community hospital, Where he was dubbed Popeye

374.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 12:33 am

what a beauty

View of Longtanhe River Bridge (or Longtan River Bridge) under construction in Langping Town, Changyang county, Yichang city, central Chinas Hubei province 14 April 2008. Longtanhe River Bridge (or Longtan River Bridge) is a high-rise pier, long-span continuous rigid-frame bridge with its highest pier up to 178 m on the Yichang-Enshi Section (within Hubei boundaries) of the arterial line of the National Road from Shanghai to Chengdu. The construction of the 1,360m-long and 196m-high bridge started in June 2004 and the time of completion has not been confirmed.




375.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 03:05 am

Renee Fleming: "The Inner Voice"

http://www.amazon.com/Inner-Voice-Making-Singer/dp/0670033510

376.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 09:22 am

Quoting Elisabeth:


GG - how about that David Cook last night on AI....WOW!


OMGGGGGG!!!!!!!! He was AWESOME!!!

377.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 10:27 am

Sinulator/pink Rabbit/teledildonics-Catherine Townsend


It wasn't the same as being together, but it was definitely intimate. I can see the advantage for couples in long-distance relationships. Absence may make the heart grow fonder, but it's a strain on the organs further south.


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/catherine-townsend/catherine-townsend-sleeping-around-810297.html
lol lol

378.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 10:44 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Be careful with your salad

Popeye the Eastern Dwarf Tree Frog who was trapped in a bag of ready-to eat spinach on 15th April 2008. A Queensland woman who had bought a bag of pre-mixed spinach, from a shop near Queensland's Currumbin Wildlife Sanctuary, discovered the frog hiding in the sealed bag when she arrived home. She opened the bag and rushed him to the Currumbin Wildlife Sanctuary Community hospital, Where he was dubbed Popeye



Cool, you get extra meat free of charge lol

379.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 17 Apr 2008 Thu 11:53 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:

Be careful with your salad

Popeye the Eastern Dwarf Tree Frog who was trapped in a bag of ready-to eat spinach on 15th April 2008. A Queensland woman who had bought a bag of pre-mixed spinach, from a shop near Queensland's Currumbin Wildlife Sanctuary, discovered the frog hiding in the sealed bag when she arrived home. She opened the bag and rushed him to the Currumbin Wildlife Sanctuary Community hospital, Where he was dubbed Popeye



Cool, you get extra meat free of charge lol



Thank you handsom....I don't want to eat beef because of mad cow disease....I don't want to eat chicken because of the way they treat chickens....don't want to eat fish because of mercury poisoning...I don't care for lamb, Pork is out in my house..........NOW YOU HAVE PUT ME OFF OF SALAD TOO??? There isn't anything left!

380.       KeithL
1455 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 01:23 am

Quoting Elisabeth:

..........NOW YOU HAVE PUT ME OFF OF SALAD TOO??? There isn't anything left!



No fruit either!! But the good news, you will be a size zero in no time!!!

Black Widow in grapes at Costco

381.       geniuda
1070 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 02:01 am



382.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 02:53 pm

The Left and Europe’s Religious Roots

"CHRISTIANITY"

Pope Benedict XVI, the Bavarian Conservative Joseph Ratzinger, arrived in the USA today asking forgiveness for the pedophiles in the repressed ranks of the Church he largely fashioned: the reactionary, retrograde and still restive Roman Catholic Church. In America, as in Italy, in the world, his message is a return to the obscurantism of a bureaucratic religious order and more temporal power as seen in the Roman Church’s battle against divorce, birth control, abortion, euthanasia, stem cell research, same sex marriage and women’s rights. Centered on opposition to Islam, his major thrust today is the primacy of religion over the secular and its centrality in the roots of Europe.

(Rome) After a short stay in America some decades ago I told a German friend how glad I was to be back in Europe. He wagged his finger and said, “Ah, you Americans, you speak of Europe as if it were one place. Europeans think in terms of nations, of Germany or France or Italy.” Those were two opposed concepts of Europe. It really was that way once.
“Where are you vacationing this year?”
“Oh, we thought we’d go over to Europe … see the Old World.”

In those times I was a supporter of the still dreamy idea of European unity. But today I’m repenting. Not that I believe that old times are necessarily better times. But in this case I miss those old borders and nationalities each with its own culture, its own economy and I often wish that Europe was still a continent of separate, variegated and distinct lands and peoples instead of the globalized multinationalandia it is becoming … or has become.

Although many of the national differences remain, it is now quite proper to speak of “Europe” as foreign visitors once did. Today it’s truer than ever before that sometimes the non-European visitor can’t even tell one country from the other. The old tourist joke still holds: It’s Wednesday, so we must be in Vienna.

But Europe is not the European Union its dreamers-founders imagined. Not at all. Though it is a curious sensation to use one currency from the Baltic to the Mediterranean, to cross borders without a passport and drive from Rome to Amsterdam without international insurance, and in a way feel a certain sense of pride in belonging to a big idea, I fear the best of United Europe is in the past and that the worst is yet to come. For the present union is not the “Europe of peoples” dreamers dreamed of, but a union of multinationals and Eurocrats.

So how did it happen that the dream was shattered? How did it come about that the European dream—like the American dream—from day to day, from year to year, is more and more a contorted ungraspable nightmare for many of its peoples?

Their leaden feet dragging as if they were emerging from a coma, schizophrenic Europeans, overnight morphed into bewildered Europeanists, are suddenly wondering who they are. Though they admit that they are still first of all Italians or Spanish, or Germans or French, willy-nilly they have become Europeans, too.

That duality creates confusion, often more social divergence than political unity.

Now, Europeanist leaders striving for unity and Europeans of diverse political shades and nationalities, of differing levels of economic and social-political development are engaged in a search of an identity.

In a sudden obsession with pinpointing their common roots, one outdoes the other in propagandizing the results of their feverish soul seeking. On one hand, in order to convince themselves of the rightness of the United Europe edifice, Euroskeptical neoliberal conservatives and the Roman Catholic Church bemoan the influence of secularists-atheists-moral relativists and in the name of sacred “values” insist on Europe’s Christian roots. On the other, the increasingly emasculated Left, despite the low political clout their social programs contain, holds fast to ideas promulgated by the French Revolution.

The European

What divides the diverse peoples of the 27 member states of the European Union (EU) is clear to everyone. It’s the common denominator that is so elusive. That has always been elusive. Yet, though different languages, traditions, national histories, as well as multiple streams of Christianity, are divisive, there does exist a form of Europeanness. There is something in the European, whether or Slovak, Brit or Polack, that makes him unmistakably European.

I hesitate however to claim that such an identity is positive today because, in combination with the European passport and disappearance of physical borders, it nourishes the disease of Eurocentrism vis-à-vis the rest of the world. Though perhaps a less dangerous phenomenon than Americanism, this nascent Eurocentrism contains the germ of Europeanism.

Who Are We? Europeans Wonder

The extension of the European Union (EU) from the Atlantic to Slavic lands of the East, from Scandinavia to Malta and Cyprus—an area embracing 500 million people, with a Parliament and among 15 of its member nations a common currency, an enormous market, now the producer of the world’s greatest GNP, and a Constitution in the making—has accelerated the debate about the continent’s identity. Though the issue of roots is a social-political conundrum for all the peoples of the union, it rages especially hot precisely where you would have thought the issue had been resolved long ago—among the union’s founding members of the original European Coal and Steel Community of 1957, of France, German, Italy and the Benelux, the forerunner of the EU.

First of all, let’s dispense with a misunderstanding. The idea of a united Europe is not new. Many have tried to bring it about. It has been the dream of unifiers and conquerors, of Charlemagne and Napoleon, of the Hapsburgs, Adolf Hitler and the original founders of Russian Communism. Mythologically, the aspiration for union in Europe was born with Europa, the daughter of Zeus. Roman law arriving in the wake of the legions then hammered it home. Followed the Holy Roman Empire and the Renaissance—unifying ideas all—the French Revolution and finally 20th century ideas of social justice, which for the Left is the acme of the European Idea.

Though the European Idea of social justice was not powerful enough to avert bloody nationalistic wars —not even Social Democracy at its pinnacle— the long range idea of Europe, the conscience of Europe, has been an antidote against other potential degenerations of illiberal nationalisms such as Nazism and Fascism.

Individual Nations Or European Union?

Recent historiography has investigated themes of national identity and the historic roots of a common European sentiment. Historians continue to delve into analyses of values, symbols and images at the very roots of the tree of European identity. The attempt to reconcile the idea of nation with Europeistic aspirations was a constant of the historiography of Federico Chabod (1901-196. But even Italy’s great historian, once President of the International Society of Historians, noted that the idea of Europe has long suffered from a high level of utopianism.

Yet, though the same problems and dangers cited by Chabod continue to accompany unitary aspirations, the idea of a united Europe has never died. Today it thrives, but in doubt and trepidation. The central idea is clear: European mentality must prevail over the interests of individual states. It is therefore difficult to gainsay the growing Eurocentrism. It has always lurked in Europe, strong enough to be exported to America where the governing elite of European heritage is infected with a much deadlier form of centrism.

The Christian Identity

After such premises, one can grasp the reasons for the intellectual hyper-activity surrounding the Europeanness standing behind the idea of the union—the belief in a “European idea” as the glue for the amalgamation of the diverse cultural and political realities of the single states of the continent. The identification of that “idea” is the point. Until today this unitary aspiration has also been supported by belief in globalization, for participation in which a united Europe was a must. However today, in an abrupt awakening, confidence in the global economy is waning—foreshadowed by the French and Dutch rejection of the proposed European Constitution three years ago, thus undermining the unity idea and strengthening nationalisms.

Since then much discussion has centered on Europe’s Christian roots which the Right and the Catholic Church foster. Fausto Bertinotti, founder of the European Left Party (an all-European party founded in 2004 in Rome) and outgoing President of Italy’s Chamber of Deputies, writes in his recent book, The Europe of Strong Passions (l’Europa delle passioni forti) “The search for the identity of Europe has concentrated the discussion on roots, and precisely religious roots, leading however nowhere….

“We come from a tradition in which religions were considered a possible enrichment, also of a Socialist perspective, with the premise however that politics remains the sovereign dimension. We could not have imagined that the religious conflict, even in the form of war and terrorism, could on the contrary take the place of politics. In the absolutization of religion I note the tendency toward the primacy of religion over the secular dimension of politics, which constitutes per se the profound crisis of politics and its incapacity of configuring major options and alternatives of society.”

Thinking Americans will agree that Bertinotti hits the nail precisely on the head: the thirst of organized religions for temporal power. In Italy and Spain as in the USA, in Israel as in Iran, the result is the war and terrorism that religion purports to oppose.

Of the major suggested influences and inspirations of European culture, none is more powerful, yet divisive, than the proposal to make explicit reference to Christianity in the Preamble to the Draft Constitution of the European Union. The question posed is: Does God and Christianity have a place in the Constitution?

The Right’s insistence on stressing the Judeo-Christian roots of Europe is particularly significant in light of current tensions between the West and the Islamic world and the threat posed by the clash of civilizations on which the USA motivates its policy of perpetual preventive war.

Some say aprioristically: “Without Christianity, the heart of Europe would be missing.”

Or summarily: “Europe is based on its Christian heritage.”

Opponents of mention of God and Christianity in the basic document point out that reference to God erects unnecessary barriers in Europe which must be secular for it to be unified. Especially the Left proposes reference to Europe’s cultural heritage since it is pluralistic and defeats the idea of a single identity. A French Socialist sums up that “it is absurd to mention God and Christianity because it excludes Muslims and non-Christian faiths, as well as citizens who do not believe in God at all.”

Still, illogically and counterproductively, in many places the religious aspect prevails over other powerful influences on European identity such as the role of the Enlightenment and Reason, the technological and scientific revolution, the French Revolution and the workers movement. Moreover, though the discussion is transversal in nature, it involves in an evident manner, precisely as in the USA, the Right and Left of the political spectrum.

Chabod and the philosopher Benedetto Croce claimed, “Europeans are Christians and cannot not be so, even if we no longer follow the practices of the cult, because Christianity molded our way of feeling and thinking in an indelible manner.”

One objects to such simplifications, as would Dostoevsky who taught that Christ appeared in the world not to construct a civilization but to save humanity from existing civilizations. Bertinotti notes the attempt to substitute Christ with the history of Christianity, behavior which is more that of Christianists than Christians.

In this extensive and all-European search for the European identity the European Left Party steps forward to break a lance in favor of the multiple values defining Europe, especially culture and the idea of social justice, as did Antonio Gramsci in the early 20th century.

The European Left Party

Here I want to introduce the European Left Party (EL), an all-European political party and association of socialist, communist and green parties of 17 member formations and 7 observers. It was officially founded in Rome on May 8, 2004 by 300 delegates of 15 European political formations, Communist, Socialist and Red-Green. The first congress of this new and truly continental political formation was held in Athens in October of 2005. the second in Prague in November, 2007. Its first president was its founder, Fausto Bertinotti, who resigned in 2006 when he was elected President of the Italian Chamber of Deputies, succeeded by the German Lothar Bisky, Secretary of Die Linke.

Member parties are: Austrian Communist Party, Wallon Communist Party of Belgium, Social Democratic Party of the Czech Republic, Left Party of Estonia, French Communist Party, Left Party of Germany (Die Linkspartei), Synaspismos (Coalition) of Greece, Communist Refoundation of Italy, The Left (Déi Lénk) of Luxemburg, Left Block of Portugal, Socialist Alliance Party of Romania, Communist Refoundation Party of San Marino, United Left (Izquierda Unida), Spanish Communist Party and United Left and Alternative, all of Spain, Swiss Labour Party, Hungarian Labour Party, Freedom and Solidarity Party of Turkey.

Here, two pertinent observations that I will discuss in forthcoming articles: the European Communist parties are a testimony that neither the Left nor Communism in Europe is dead. Nor, in my opinion, is Social Democracy per se a bad word any more than is Eurocommunism. The latter was anyway much more than a negation of Stalinism. Eurocomunism was also a break with the political-social-economic stagnation in the USSR during the upheavals in the reign of Leonid Brezhnev, 1964-1982, when the role of Communism there was minimal. Despite geopolitical reasons and the Cold War pressures the USA exerted against the Soviet Union and Communism in general, the Soviet invasion of Socialist brother state of Czechoslovakia was for many European Communists the last straw. At the time of rupture with Moscow, Western Communists said, “the age of innocence was over.”

The European Left today is thus a step toward a “re-foundation” of European Communism and the primacy of a secular Europe over its religious roots. It is a reaffirmation of the thought of the theoretician and founder of the Italian Communist Party, Antonio Gramsci, for whom revolutionary violence is not the only way to change things. Political activity, he wrote, is the path to challenge the hegemony of the capitalist class.


http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/04/16/p24791

383.       teaschip
3870 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 09:26 pm

Earthquake in the state of Illinois. I woke up this morning to my glass wall sconces above my bed shaking and the house moving. My son ran into my room and was scared to death, thinking it was a tornado..

We felt the tremours 250 miles away a scale of 5.4. Unbelievable feeling..

384.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 10:13 pm

Quoting teaschip:

Earthquake in the state of Illinois. I woke up this morning to my glass wall sconces above my bed shaking and the house moving. My son ran into my room and was scared to death, thinking it was a tornado..

We felt the tremours 250 miles away a scale of 5.4. Unbelievable feeling..



Glad you and everyone else is ok!!

385.       teaschip
3870 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 10:18 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting teaschip:

Earthquake in the state of Illinois. I woke up this morning to my glass wall sconces above my bed shaking and the house moving. My son ran into my room and was scared to death, thinking it was a tornado..

We felt the tremours 250 miles away a scale of 5.4. Unbelievable feeling..



Glad you and everyone else is ok!!



Thanks, Lis..

386.       CANLI
5084 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 10:27 pm

İt must have been very scary Teas,glad that everyone is alright there .

387.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 11:05 pm

Quoting teaschip:

Earthquake in the state of Illinois. I woke up this morning to my glass wall sconces above my bed shaking and the house moving. My son ran into my room and was scared to death, thinking it was a tornado..

We felt the tremours 250 miles away a scale of 5.4. Unbelievable feeling..



I don't sleep under anything that could fall and cause damage, and not near any glass, like windows.

Welcome to the earthquake zone.

"Although California quakes get the most news coverage, earthquake zones spread across the nation. The geological survey has designated 26 urban areas in the United States as earthquake risk areas; that list includes New York, Boston, Memphis, Chattanooga, Tenn., and Evansville, Ind. "

Scientists Not Surprised at Midwest Quake

388.       teaschip
3870 posts
 19 Apr 2008 Sat 04:23 am

It's remarkable to me how the earth can move hundred miles away and you feel it. I can't imagine in California, it must be frightening.. It's also interesting how they can detect hurricanes, tornados, volcanos but no calculations on earthquakes..

389.       catwoman
8933 posts
 19 Apr 2008 Sat 04:39 am

Quoting CANLI:

İt must have been very scary Teas,glad that everyone is alright there .


Canli, I think you are such a kind person.

390.       teaschip
3870 posts
 19 Apr 2008 Sat 04:46 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting CANLI:

İt must have been very scary Teas,glad that everyone is alright there .


Canli, I think you are such a kind person.



I believe she is as well. Even though we rattle her chains sometimes I think she is a very heartfelt person. I pick up on this through her postings.

391.       catwoman
8933 posts
 19 Apr 2008 Sat 04:52 am

What I like about her also is that she doesn't "gang up" against someone she disagrees with. She can fight with someone, and in another thread she sends flowers to the same person and wishes that this person is alright...

392.       CANLI
5084 posts
 19 Apr 2008 Sat 05:17 am

Ohhhh,guys... thank you
You making me speechless

Although it took me while to figure that ''rattle her chains ''thing tea,i even googled it lol

Well,you can rattle it,but that is..JUST rattling

PS:have i got the meaning right ?!:-S lol

393.       libralady
5152 posts
 19 Apr 2008 Sat 01:19 pm

A Chinese ship carrying arms destined for Zimbabwe has been forced to leave the South African port of Durban four days after failing to unload.

Earlier, a South African judge ruled that the cargo of rocket-propelled grenades, mortar rounds and ammunition could not be transported overland.

Human rights groups had petitioned for a block on the arms and dockers had refused to unload the shipment.

Some fear Zimbabwe will use the arms to repress political opposition.


Source: BBC News

It is good to read that normal folk are making a stand by refusing to unload a shipment of arms from China destined to suppress an already heavily supressed country.

394.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Apr 2008 Sat 10:17 pm

alternative to anaesthetics?

Hypnotist Alex Lenkei snubbed anaesthetic and sent himself into a trance before undergoing surgery on his hand at Worthing Hospital in Sussex.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7355569.stm

395.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 09:38 pm

The Ocean Conservancy reported that in a single day last September, it's volunteers picked up 6 million pounds of trash on beaches around the world.

The top ten items picked up were:
*cigarettes/cigarette filters
*food wrappers/containers
*caps/lids
*bags
*plastic beverage bottles
*cups/plates/forks/knives/spoons
*glass beverage bottles
*cigar tips
*straws
*beverage cans


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BEACH_DEBRIS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-04-15-16-37-05

http://www.oceanconservancy.org/site/PageServer?pagename=home


396.       KeithL
1455 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:06 pm

I have always been skeptical of hypnosis and this surely proves there is a place for it in modern medicine.
I found this really interesting too.

397.       geniuda
1070 posts
 21 Apr 2008 Mon 02:29 am

(advancements in science has always amazed me..but sometimes it scares me )

Are we 10 years away from artificial life?
In late August 2007, an Associated Press article put forth the claim that scientists were no more than 10 years away from creating artificial life -- and possibly as few as three. Could such a thing be possible? Scientists have made tremendous strides in decoding human and animal genomes, synthesizing DNA and cloning. Creating artificial, functioning biological organisms seems to present a tremendous leap beyond any of these abilities. But some of the companies and researchers involved in the quest for artificial life believe that the 10-year time frame is possible. Not only that -- they say that the development of wet artificial life (as it's often called) will radically affect our views of biological life and our place in the universe..........
http://science.howstuffworks.com/artificial-life-news.htm

398.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 22 Apr 2008 Tue 09:19 am

A mother has given birth to a rare set of quadruplets in which three of the four boys are identical.

http://www.kcra.com/health/15921771/detail.html

399.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Apr 2008 Wed 02:30 pm

An amazing piece of research that tells us, women trying to conceive a child should eat toast for breakfast if they want a girl and cereal if they want a boy! Well I blew that one out of the window, as I nearly always ate toast (and marmite ) and I had two boys!

This sort of research really gets on my nerves, how dare they spend money on proving / disproving ridiculous concepts when it could be better spent on more deserving causes.

400.       magnadea
0 posts
 23 Apr 2008 Wed 02:43 pm

...the wonderful photo of Janissary. It is the most handsome picture I have seen of him

401.       lady in red
6947 posts
 23 Apr 2008 Wed 03:18 pm

Quoting magnadea:

...the wonderful photo of Janissary. It is the most handsome picture I have seen of him




Awwww! - I went to look - but he must have taken it away

402.       magnadea
0 posts
 23 Apr 2008 Wed 03:20 pm

Quoting lady in red:

Quoting magnadea:

...the wonderful photo of Janissary. It is the most handsome picture I have seen of him




Awwww! - I went to look - but he must have taken it away



It is still there

403.       lady in red
6947 posts
 23 Apr 2008 Wed 03:34 pm

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting lady in red:

Quoting magnadea:

...the wonderful photo of Janissary. It is the most handsome picture I have seen of him




Awwww! - I went to look - but he must have taken it away



It is still there



Well so it is - now! Spooky - it wasn't there 10 minutes ago :-S - but I agree, VERY charming!!

404.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 Apr 2008 Wed 10:09 pm

Obama vs Clinton on playstation

It could only happen in the USA!!! A violent playstation game Obama vs Clinton

405.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:19 am

Though libralady mentioned this earlier, but here is more tips about how to make boy or a girl:
(I like the first one in the list specially )

*In France in the 18th century it was thought that each testicle contained gender-specific sperm: so girls came from the left and boys came from the right. Men who wanted a boy were encouraged to tie off their left testicle during intercourse – or even to remove it.

*Girls are more likely to be conceived in the afternoon and on an even day of the month, while boys are more likely at night and on odd days.

*Female orgasms during sex are more likely to produce a boy, as the body produces alkaline chemicals after an orgasm, which are less likely to finish off the less hardy male sperm, which can then go on to beat the female sperm in the race to the egg.

*Men who drink coffee before they have sex are more likely to have a son, as the coffee perks up the male sperm but not the female.

*As mothers get older, they are more likely to have a boy.

*If you want a girl, sleep with a wooden spoon under your bed and a pink ribbon under your pillow.

*For a boy, only eat the ends of loaves of bread; for a girl, eat only the middles. Old wives' tales



http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/features/its-a-boy-the-science-of-gender-selection-814626.html

406.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:26 am

Libra, marmite?! Please! It must have influenced the toast diet and that's why you have two sons lol

I wish somebody had informed me about it before I actually conceived

407.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:32 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

Libra, marmite?! Please! It must have influenced the toast diet and that's why you have two sons lol

I wish somebody had informed me about it before I actually conceived


haha..
I should have tied my left testicle according to French..lol

408.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:50 am

Quoting thehandsom:


haha..
I should have tied my left testicle according to French..lol



Now I wish I had tied my husband's right testicle lol

409.       lady in red
6947 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 11:04 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Libra, marmite?! Please! It must have influenced the toast diet and that's why you have two sons lol

I wish somebody had informed me about it before I actually conceived


haha..
I should have tied my left testicle according to French..lol



Well my husband didn't tie his - so it had to be the Marmite that led to us having 3 sons! Acutally, Marmite is the one thing I always ask people to bring when they visit us - I love it!

410.       magnadea
0 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 12:55 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

I should have tied my left testicle



I think Janissary would be happy to oblige you! lol lol lol

411.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Apr 2008 Fri 02:10 am

A seduction school in Moscow, Russia

The professor coaches his pupils in the art of being a sterva,which in Russian means, literally, "bitch". In Russia, where feminism is treated with suspicion and its practitioners often regarded as lesbians, being a "bitch" is not what many in the West would assume. A successful bitch is is neither strident nor sassy, but demure, manipulative and aware of her own sexuality in order to get her own way.


412.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Apr 2008 Fri 02:13 am

Vegetarian Festival

The Phuket Vegetarian Festival celebrates the beginning of Taoist Lent, when devout Chinese abstain from eating all meat. The festival takes place on the first 9 days of the 9th lunar month of the Chinese calendar. Everyone dresses in white and shopkeepers set up small alters with offerings of incense, flowers, candles, fruit, and 9 cups of tea to the 9 emperor deities honoured by the festival.

Thailand Phuket

413.       libralady
5152 posts
 25 Apr 2008 Fri 02:56 pm

Prisoners in British prisons have such a "cushy" number, they no longer want to break out. Instead, they have mates breaking in to deliver drugs and mobile phones. In some cases even prostitutes have been allowed in to
"service" the "clients" of Her Majesty's Prisons.

There is also cases of the prison being run my the inmates because the prison guards have lost control.

The unions claim this has happened due to the serious unfunding and shortage of prison staff.

Source: Independent

Maybe it is because there are too many criminals because the sentance does not deter the crime!!!!!

414.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 25 Apr 2008 Fri 10:11 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

A seduction school in Moscow, Russia

The professor coaches his pupils in the art of being a sterva,which in Russian means, literally, "bitch". In Russia, where feminism is treated with suspicion and its practitioners often regarded as lesbians, being a "bitch" is not what many in the West would assume. A successful bitch is is neither strident nor sassy, but demure, manipulative and aware of her own sexuality in order to get her own way.




Handsom....it isn't too late to enroll your harem into these classes!

415.       libralady
5152 posts
 26 Apr 2008 Sat 01:02 pm

Nargile cafes - Turkish Daily News

Nargile cafes are asking for an exemption to the tobacco ban, fearing that many cafes will be put out of business.

416.       catwoman
8933 posts
 26 Apr 2008 Sat 07:15 pm

Egypt
Howaida Taha, 44, a documentary producer for al-Jazeera, has been arrested. She is still appealing an earlier jail sentence by a Cairo state security court that found her guilty of "harming the country's interests" in her documentary exposing how torture, including sexual abuse, is routinely performed in Egyptian police stations. Three crew members and an Egyptian human-rights activist were also detained. The new documentary Taha was producing was about people living on the edge of society.

Ms Magazine

417.       bydand
749 posts
 26 Apr 2008 Sat 11:28 pm

Quoting libralady:

Nargile cafes - Turkish Daily News

Nargile cafes are asking for an exemption to the tobacco ban, fearing that many cafes will be put out of business.


Yes a tobacco ban could have a detrimental effect on a Nargile cafe

418.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Apr 2008 Sat 11:45 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Egypt
Howaida Taha, 44, a documentary producer for al-Jazeera, has been arrested. She is still appealing an earlier jail sentence by a Cairo state security court that found her guilty of "harming the country's interests" in her documentary exposing how torture, including sexual abuse, is routinely performed in Egyptian police stations. Three crew members and an Egyptian human-rights activist were also detained. The new documentary Taha was producing was about people living on the edge of society.

Ms Magazine



Sad as many other things

419.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Apr 2008 Sat 11:52 pm

Quoting bydand:

Quoting libralady:

Nargile cafes - Turkish Daily News

Nargile cafes are asking for an exemption to the tobacco ban, fearing that many cafes will be put out of business.


Yes a tobacco ban could have a detrimental effect on a Nargile cafe


Actually,Nargile is very dangerous to health,so i hope that pan will eliminate it somehow
İ wish they elimimate it here too !

Many studies have proven that it is one of the sources for many diseases ,and most dangerous one is Tuberculosis ''TB''
Which became wild now because its producing new generations ''cat can explain this better''
and the only way that you will be safe from it while using Nargile is to have your own Nargile,''even changing the water wont keep the dangerous away''...which not valid in those cafes

420.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 27 Apr 2008 Sun 11:53 pm

Guantánamo drives prisoners insane, lawyers say
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/26/america/gitmo.php


421.       Cacık
296 posts
 28 Apr 2008 Mon 11:10 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7368020.stm

422.       libralady
5152 posts
 28 Apr 2008 Mon 12:32 pm

Pork farms in Turkey

I never knew they existed or that there was such a demand for pork in Turkey!

423.       Avalon
381 posts
 28 Apr 2008 Mon 10:45 pm

Impossible is nothing
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jjWtaTtiZEg&feature=related

424.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 28 Apr 2008 Mon 11:04 pm

Funny commercial on YouTube!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y9ajRIgTJNA&feature=related

425.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:22 pm

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

John Lennon

426.       magnadea
0 posts
 30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:26 pm

Quoting Roswitha:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

John Lennon



The song caught your eye?
...or your ear?

427.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 May 2008 Thu 10:34 pm

Hunky Jesus
caption reads :
Competition is fierce during a San Francisco Easter tradition, the annual Hunky Jesus competition in Dolores Park on Sunday March 23, 2008. The tradition is officiated by the Sisters or Perpetual Indulgence, a group of drag queen nuns who are committed to social justice and LGBTQ community activism.


428.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 02 May 2008 Fri 01:45 am

El Camino del Rey near Malaga/Spain:

http://www.brightcove.tv:80/title.jsp?title=1438490562

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/4/4a/20060626222619!Caminito_del_Rey_2.jpg

http://www.taringa.net/posts/videos/1179541/Mamita,-me-caigo-(El-caminito-del-Rey).html

http://www.abc.net.au/gameon/chasm/more.htm

429.       geniuda
1070 posts
 02 May 2008 Fri 04:17 am

Quoting Roswitha:

El Camino del Rey near Malaga/Spain:
http://www.brightcove.tv:80/title.jsp?title=1438490562


Wooohoo! I am feeling dizzy already..that is scary!! I dont think I would ever want to do the walking the way the cameraman did it..

430.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 03 May 2008 Sat 01:18 am

We're not celebrating Israel's anniversary
The Guardian,

Wednesday April 30 2008



In May, Jewish organisations will be celebrating the 60th anniversary of the founding of the state of Israel. This is understandable in the context of centuries of persecution culminating in the Holocaust. Nevertheless, we are Jews who will not be celebrating. Surely it is now time to acknowledge the narrative of the other, the price paid by another people for European anti-semitism and Hitler's genocidal policies. As Edward Said emphasised, what the Holocaust is to the Jews, the Naqba is to the Palestinians.

In April 1948, the same month as the infamous massacre at Deir Yassin and the mortar attack on Palestinian civilians in Haifa's market square, Plan Dalet was put into operation. This authorised the destruction of Palestinian villages and the expulsion of the indigenous population outside the borders of the state. We will not be celebrating.

In July 1948, 70,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes in Lydda and Ramleh in the heat of the summer with no food or water. Hundreds died. It was known as the Death March. We will not be celebrating.

In all, 750,000 Palestinians became refugees. Some 400 villages were wiped off the map. That did not end the ethnic cleansing. Thousands of Palestinians (Israeli citizens) were expelled from the Galilee in 1956. Many thousands more when Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Under international law and sanctioned by UN resolution 194, refugees from war have a right to return or compensation. Israel has never accepted that right. We will not be celebrating.

We cannot celebrate the birthday of a state founded on terrorism, massacres and the dispossession of another people from their land. We cannot celebrate the birthday of a state that even now engages in ethnic cleansing, that violates international law, that is inflicting a monstrous collective punishment on the civilian population of Gaza and that continues to deny to Palestinians their human rights and national aspirations.

We will celebrate when Arab and Jew live as equals in a peaceful Middle East.

Seymour Alexander

Ruth Appleton

Steve Arloff

Rica Bird

Jo Bird

Cllr Jonathan Bloch

Ilse Boas

Prof. Haim Bresheeth

Tanya Bronstein

Sheila Colman

Ruth Clark

Sylvia Cohen

Judith Cravitz

Mike Cushman

Angela Dale

Ivor Dembina

Dr. Linda Edmondson

Nancy Elan

Liz Elkind

Pia Feig

Colin Fine

Deborah Fink

Sylvia Finzi

Brian Fisher MBE

Frank Fisher

Bella Freud

Catherine Fried

Uri Fruchtmann

Stephen Fry

David Garfinkel

Carolyn Gelenter

Claire Glasman

Tony Greenstein

Heinz Grunewald

Michael Halpern

Abe Hayeem

Rosamine Hayeem

Anna Hellman

Amy Hordes

Joan Horrocks

Deborah Hyams

Selma James

Riva Joffe

Yael Oren Kahn

Michael Kalmanovitz

Paul Kaufman

Prof. Adah Kay

Yehudit Keshet

Prof. Eleonore Kofman

Rene Krayer

Stevie Krayer

Berry Kreel

Leah Levane

Les Levidow

Peter Levin

Louis Levy

Ros Levy

Prof. Yosefa Loshitzky

Catherine Lyons

Deborah Maccoby

Daniel Machover

Prof. Emeritus Moshe Machover

Miriam Margolyes OBE

Mike Marqusee

Laura Miller

Simon Natas

Hilda Meers

Martine Miel

Laura Miller

Arthur Neslen

Diana Neslen

Orna Neumann

Harold Pinter

Roland Rance

Frances Rivkin

Sheila Robin

Dr. Brian Robinson

Neil Rogall

Prof. Steven Rose

Mike Rosen

Prof. Jonathan Rosenhead

Leon Rosselson

Michael Sackin

Sabby Sagall

Ian Saville

Alexei Sayle

Anna Schuman

Sidney Schuman

Monika Schwartz

Amanda Sebestyen

Sam Semoff

Linda Shampan

Sybil Shine

Prof. Frances Stewart

Inbar Tamari

Ruth Tenne

Martin Toch

Tirza Waisel

Stanley Walinets

Martin White

Ruth Williams

Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi

Devra Wiseman

Gerry Wolff

Sherry Yanowitz



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/30/israelandthepalestinians




431.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 03 May 2008 Sat 11:14 am

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - The Turkish gunman who shot and wounded Pope John Paul II is applying for Polish citizenship and wants to live in the late pontiff's country of birth when released from prison, his lawyer said Friday.
Mehmet Ali Agca also wants to be transferred to a prison in Poland to serve the remainder

http://www.pr-inside.com/turk-who-shot-pope-john-paul-r569671.htm

Poor guy, Turkish prisons must really be terrible if he volunteers for death sentence...

432.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 03 May 2008 Sat 11:33 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - The Turkish gunman who shot and wounded Pope John Paul II is applying for Polish citizenship and wants to live in the late pontiff's country of birth when released from prison, his lawyer said Friday.
Mehmet Ali Agca also wants to be transferred to a prison in Poland to serve the remainder

http://www.pr-inside.com/turk-who-shot-pope-john-paul-r569671.htm

Poor guy, Turkish prisons must really be terrible if he volunteers for death sentence...


But he has a point there though : "Pope Karol Wojtyla, is my spiritual brother"
Citizenship should be granted, if you ask me..Please do..and take him away

433.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 03 May 2008 Sat 11:42 am

That's a cool way to get a citizenship, you just have to assassinate a VIP and then apologise. lol

434.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2008 Sat 11:49 am

He is messiah, you can be cursed, be careful lol

435.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 May 2008 Mon 01:16 pm

Dogs, British and poor Natalie's titanic dilemma :

Dear Virginia, My much-loved dog died nine months ago, and after a while I thought it might be a good idea to get a new one. But now I've got one, I really can't bear it. After three weeks with him, I feel I'm about to have a breakdown. I can't go anywhere, and he's yapping and peeing all the time. The thought of another 15 or so years of this seems intolerable. Would it be mean to give him to someone else? Yours sincerely, Natalie


And the answers:

Phone the RSPCA. You were on the rebound from grief and made a mistake by buying a dog that you can't love like your previous one.

Unlike children, dogs can be sent back, and you should feel no guilt about ...

if you don't think you can love and cherish him properly. He deserves better than that.

It never fails to amaze me how many people take on the responsibility of a dog without thinking through what this demands of them

436.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 05 May 2008 Mon 06:55 pm

It's not so much what caught my eye but what caught my nose. I have a coworker that wears wayyyyy toooooo much cologne! YUCK

437.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 06 May 2008 Tue 03:07 am

Thousands more deaths expected in Myanmar
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/05/asia/cyclone.php

438.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 06 May 2008 Tue 03:11 am

Thousands more deaths expected in Myanmar
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/05/asia/cyclone.php

http://www.medievidenskab-odense.dk/index.php?id=56

439.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 06 May 2008 Tue 03:19 am

440.       teaschip
3870 posts
 07 May 2008 Wed 09:14 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Dogs, British and poor Natalie's titanic dilemma :

Dear Virginia, My much-loved dog died nine months ago, and after a while I thought it might be a good idea to get a new one. But now I've got one, I really can't bear it. After three weeks with him, I feel I'm about to have a breakdown. I can't go anywhere, and he's yapping and peeing all the time. The thought of another 15 or so years of this seems intolerable. Would it be mean to give him to someone else? Yours sincerely, Natalie


And the answers:

Phone the RSPCA. You were on the rebound from grief and made a mistake by buying a dog that you can't love like your previous one.

Unlike children, dogs can be sent back, and you should feel no guilt about ...

if you don't think you can love and cherish him properly. He deserves better than that.

It never fails to amaze me how many people take on the responsibility of a dog without thinking through what this demands of them



I have never owned a dog, however how insensitve this may sound. I always thought a good business would be "Rent A Pet". You could rent a pet to see if it has the type of personality etc..your looking for. If not, you could return it instead of being stuck with it. Or what about the elderly, they say animals like cats etc. are good companions. But when the renter gets really sick and can't take care of them or possibly passes away. You could just send them back to "Rent a Pet" to go to another good home. Thoughts?

441.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 07 May 2008 Wed 09:40 pm

Quoting teaschip:

Quoting thehandsom:

Dogs, British and poor Natalie's titanic dilemma :

Dear Virginia, My much-loved dog died nine months ago, and after a while I thought it might be a good idea to get a new one. But now I've got one, I really can't bear it. After three weeks with him, I feel I'm about to have a breakdown. I can't go anywhere, and he's yapping and peeing all the time. The thought of another 15 or so years of this seems intolerable. Would it be mean to give him to someone else? Yours sincerely, Natalie


And the answers:

Phone the RSPCA. You were on the rebound from grief and made a mistake by buying a dog that you can't love like your previous one.

Unlike children, dogs can be sent back, and you should feel no guilt about ...

if you don't think you can love and cherish him properly. He deserves better than that.

It never fails to amaze me how many people take on the responsibility of a dog without thinking through what this demands of them



I have never owned a dog, however how insensitve this may sound. I always thought a good business would be "Rent A Pet". You could rent a pet to see if it has the type of personality etc..your looking for. If not, you could return it instead of being stuck with it. Or what about the elderly, they say animals like cats etc. are good companions. But when the renter gets really sick and can't take care of them or possibly passes away. You could just send them back to "Rent a Pet" to go to another good home. Thoughts?



It depends, really, I recently lost both of my cats. I miss them terribly. However, I don't miss their cat box. Could I rent a pet for just a few hours?

442.       libralady
5152 posts
 07 May 2008 Wed 11:15 pm

The wierd world of body building

Where is Rain when you need him! This makes me want to throw up my dinner!

443.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 07 May 2008 Wed 11:20 pm

US advertises on Google to snare surfers

If you are searching the internet for information on terrorism in theMiddle East, you might come across the US state department.
Thedepartment is using Google's AdWords service to draw in internetsurfers searching for particular words - such as 'terrorism' - andredirect them to its own website.
In recent months, the USadministration has quietly been running the advert-isements for itsAmerica.gov site, which is intended to give foreign audiences theWashington take on US -foreign policy, culture and society.
Otherwords and phrases that trigger the adverts include 'Middle East peace','human rights', 'press freedom', 'renewable energy', 'food aid' and -apparently the most popular search the administration has paid for -'US elections'.
As is customary with Google's service, theadvertisements are geared to particular regions of the world. A searchfor terrorism on Google's sites in the UK, the United Arab Emirates andCanada yields the same advertisement for 'peace and security: creatingsecurity through improved relations and co-operation' and a link to theAmerica.gov page.
But similar searches on the Google sites in Israel, Egypt, China and France do not yield the same result.
'Weneed a very strong presence on the web; that's communications today,'says Jonathan Margolis at the Bureau of International InformationPrograms, the state department agency responsible for both taking outthe advertisements and the America.gov site.
'We are trying toengage, inform and influence foreign audiences. Before you can doeither of the last two you have got to find some way to engage them . .. We found that when you launch a website and if you want to attract atarget audience, Google ads are a very effective way of drawing peopleto the site.'
He says the state department is spending $25,000 to$30,000 (€19,000, £15,00 a month on the adverts, based on the numberof users who click on them, as well as about $15,000 a month foradverts for longer-standing US government Arabic and Farsi-languagesites.
He adds that the adverts for the Arabic and Farsi siteshave generated 300,000 views a month and that the US looks at theregions of the world in which to run the advertisements from month tomonth.
One focus is countries or regions with large expatriate populations.
However,as the US approaches the end of George W. Bush's time in the WhiteHouse, it has its public relations work cut out for it. Some 47 percent of people worldwide say the US has a negative influence, comparedwith 35 per cent who see it as positive, according to a poll of 17,500people in 34 countries released last month and commissioned by the BBC.

444.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 08 May 2008 Thu 04:40 am

ZIZEK! is both an unforgettable lesson in philosophy and a compelling portrait of an intellectual maverick. Possessing the capacity to appeal to the uninitiated in a way no other philosopher before him could, Slavoj Zizek’s combination of high and low culture will fascinate even those who once believed philosophy to be a bore.
http://www.istanbulmodern.org/images/newsletter/sinema/nisan2007/14-22/14-22.html

445.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 May 2008 Thu 12:32 pm

Alien Foetus
caption of the images say:
A German teenager who left a Halloween joke alien in a glass jar on the counter of an ice cream vendor was surprised at the uproar his prank caused when he heard reports on local radio. Police took the plastic alien to pathologists for checking. Initially the experts said the object could be a human foetus showing signs of deformity, but a forensic expert, on taking a scalpel to it, revealed it to be made of plastic.





446.       libralady
5152 posts
 08 May 2008 Thu 03:19 pm

Rabbit becomes mother to kittens has the ahhhhhh factor! Being a lover of all things fluffy, I could not resist posting this, even though it is an old story! This lovely little pet rabbit has become the adopted mother to 6 tiny kittens. Only animal lovers need look lol

447.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 08 May 2008 Thu 04:39 pm

Clinton now closer to endgame

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0508/p01s03-uspo.html

448.       teaschip
3870 posts
 08 May 2008 Thu 07:21 pm

Quoting Roswitha:

Clinton now closer to endgame

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0508/p01s03-uspo.html



Even though my pick is McCain..I thought I would never say this. I would rather see Hillary get nominated than Obama. He scares me!

449.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 10 May 2008 Sat 05:45 am

Al-Jazeera Cameraman Freed from Guantanamo Bay

An Al-Jaze­era cameraman released from U.S. custody at Guantanamo Bay re­turned home to Sudan early Friday after six years of imprisonment that drew worldwide protests.

Sami al-Haj, along with two other Sudanese released from Guan­tanamo prison in Cuba Thursday, arrived at the airport in Sudan's capital Khartoum on a U.S. military plane.

Al-Haj was detained in December 2001 by Pakistani authorities as he tried to enter Afghanistan to cover the U.S.-led invasion. He was turned over to the U.S. military and taken in January 2002 to Guantanamo Bay, where the United States holds some 275 men suspected of links to al-Qaida and the Taliban, most of them without charges.

Reprieve, the British human rights group that represents 35 Guan­tanamo prisoners including al-Haj, said Pakistani forces apparently seized al-Haj at the behest of the U.S. authorities who suspected he had interviewed Osama bin Laden, said.

But that "supposed intelligence" turned out to be false, Reprieve said in a news release.

"This is wonderful news, and long overdue," said Clive Stafford Smith, Reprieve's Director who has represented al-Haj since 2005. "The U.S. administration has never had any reason for holding Mr. Al Haj, and has, instead, spent six years shamelessly attempting to turn him against his employers at Al-Jazeera." The U.S. military says it goes to great lengths to respect the religion of detainees, issuing them Qurans, enforcing quiet among guard staff during prayer calls throughout the day. All cells in Guantanamo have an arrow that points toward the holy city of Mecca.

Al-Haj was the only journalist from a major international news organization held at Guantanamo and many of his supporters saw his detention as punishment for a network whose broadcasts angered U.S. officials.

Al-Haj said he believed he was arrested because of U.S. hostility toward Al-Jazeera and because the media was reporting on U.S. rights violations in Afghanistan.

The military alleged he was a courier for a militant Muslim organization, an allegation his lawyers denied.

By Mohamed Osman

The Associated Press
| Moscow News,№17-18 2008
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2008/05/journalist_rele.html



450.       catwoman
8933 posts
 10 May 2008 Sat 05:52 am

Quoting Roswitha:

Guantanamo Bay, where the United States holds some 275 men suspected of links to al-Qaida and the Taliban, most of them without charges.


without charges?????

451.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 10 May 2008 Sat 06:08 am

Turkey's born-again farmer
Organic food might change your life, but organic farming can change the lives of thousands. Nazmi Ilicali, born in 1953, grew up in the east of Turkey in the province of Erzurum, famous for its scorching summers and hard winters. Erzurum, one of Turkey's poorest districts, is where Nazmi's life has been spent enriching the barren lives of those around him.--Fazile Zahir

FETHIYE, Turkey - Organic food might change your life, but organic farming can change the lives of thousands. Nazmi Ilicali, born in 1953, grew up in the east of Turkey in the province of Erzurum, famous for its scorching summers and hard winters. Erzurum, one of Turkey's poorest districts, is where Nazmi's life has been spent enriching the barren lives of those around him.

First he trained as a teacher, and then he spent 25 years working in schools in and around his home town. After his retirement he found himself bored and at loose ends, and inactivity soon developed into such a serious drinking problem that his nickname around town became "Alcoholic Nazmi".

He struggled on and finally, with the help of his family and a burning new interest, he began to recover. Nazmi discovered farming, in particular organic farming, and the power of this raw contact with the earth and its produce pulled him out of his personal quagmire and led him to enhance the lives and livelihoods of thousands of other farmers in his area.

Nazmi is more than just a simple farmer, he is a born-again farmer with a zealous devotion to organic farming and a burning desire to organize other people around him to reap its benefits as well. As part of his rehabilitation he joined the Daphan Plains Organic Agriculture Project (set up in 1996) and grew to play a key part in the successful efforts of the organization.

He explains why, ironically, the poverty of this area makes it perfect for starting organic farming projects: "The earth in this area is especially suitable, because the local population is so poor that for years they have been unable to afford chemical fertilizers. The climate is good for organic agriculture, too. The frost and cold here even kill the eggs laid in the earth by insects, and because of that there is no need for pesticides - we have a totally chemical-free soil."

Soon after joining the Daphan project, Nazmi took a further step. "After doing extensive research, I decided that organic agriculture was the only investment with good potential in the east of Turkey. But I also knew that any efforts would have to be made in an organized way. When I first became involved three years ago, I brought 633 farmers together, and the European Community gave me the financial support to set up the Eastern Anatolian Farmers and Livestock Keepers Union. Now we have 3,000 members, and are still gathering members like an avalanche gathers snow."

Nazmi is the president of the union, which includes farmers from 12 different areas as members, and he has acquired a new nickname: "Organic Nazmi".

Each year he plans new measures to improve his union members' lives. This year union money will be spent on new farming tools that will be owned communally and lent out for poor farmers to use for free. Nazmi's new social conscience and sense of responsibility extend to all areas of his farmers' lives: "Because I'm a teacher, I place great importance on education. I believe that education is more important than profits. From now on every farmer should know how to use a computer and have an e-mail address. They should be able to communicate with their fellow farmers nationally and internationally. For those that want them, we are going to provide English lessons."

Nazmi's name and the success of the Daphan Plains project have spread worldwide. Last year the American Ashoka Entrepreneur Trust gave the project an award for "social entrepreneurship". This month a delegation from Japan came to visit, and Nazmi said, "They were very impressed. From now on our products will be found on Japanese dinner tables too."

Daphan produces organic wheat, rye, barley, white beans, green lentils, chickpeas and bulgur wheat. Its website, www.daphan.org, invites buyers to order the type of vegetables and pulses they want grown organically and, on signing contracts, Daphan will supply them. Next year in a new diversification the project will distribute 600 cows to its members so they can start farming organic meat and milk.

Nazmi explains that when they first started, the biggest problem they had was the packaging and processing of their organic products. Rather than allowing this to stall their progress, they built a small factory and made every member of the association a shareholder. The factory began to grind their own cereals into flour and package it. Their brand identity, sales and profit margins have all improved since.

The efforts of Nazmi and the Daphan Plains organic project are not just appreciated by the 3,000 farmers in the Erzurum area, the benefits stretch across the country to the urban sprawl that is Istanbul. The city council set up a program in 2005 that encourages rural villagers to stay in their home provinces rather than migrate to Istanbul. The Daphan Plains project and Istanbul council have recently come to an agreement whereby the council buys the project's organic wheat for the public bakery. Under the terms of the contract the city will take 10,000 tonnes of organic wheat, which will earn the project 1 million liras (US$675,00.

Kadir Topbas, the head of the Istanbul council, said organic farming projects had halted rural-to-urban migration in several areas around Erzurum. He underlined the importance of supporting these types of projects both locally and by the central government: "The government provides serious support to these projects. As a local council we have a five-year contract with the Erzurum area. We supply Istanbul residents with access to organic bread as a result and we plan to help these areas to market all their produce in the future. The success of these projects has resulted in more than 1,000 families leaving Istanbul and returning to their home villages."

Organic Nazmi is a happy man, and so are the people he surrounds himself with. Mehmet, one of his farmers, summed up the change in their lives by saying: "We go to our fields smiling now and breed our livestock with a lot of happiness. We are very proud of Nazmi and what he has done."
______________________________
Fazile Zahir is of Turkish descent, born and brought up in London. She moved to live in Turkey in 2005 and has been writing full time since then.
Source: Asia Times

"Power concedes nothing without a demand.' The struggle for justice must never be adjourned. The forces of injustice do not take vacations. Societies are not static in this regard. They await the political and civic energies of individuals who engage the arenas of power, multiply their numbers and emblazon in deeds and institutions the immortal principle that "Here the People Rule." - Ralph Nader

452.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 May 2008 Sat 02:26 pm

Last diva Leyla Gencer,"La Diva Turca" (The Turkish Diva) and "La Regina" (The Queen) in the opera world, dies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyla_Gencer
http://www.leylagencer.eu/bio_in_brief.html

453.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 10 May 2008 Sat 02:46 pm

Quoting teaschip:


Even though my pick is McCain..



Now you scared me!

454.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 10 May 2008 Sat 03:39 pm



Our Daily Bread We better get used to higher food prices. They will be with us for years to come – By Nikolaus Piper

Thomas Robert Malthus was one of the greatest pessimists of history. The Anglican parson from Surrey was not only one of the founders of classical political economics – he also gave the young science a decidedly dismal undertone. The working class would never be able to escape its misery, he believed. As soon as the lot of the poor improved a little, their enhanced prosperity would result in more children to feed. While populations would be able to grow exponentially, he stated, food production could experience only linear growth: a trap with no exit.

History has refuted Malthus’ pessimism. Capitalism is much more productive than the economist could have imagined. Nevertheless, there have always been Malthusian situations in which the planet’s limitations suddenly become perceptible and scarcity threatens the security and survival of millions of people. That was true in Malthus’ day, and it is true once again today. Food prices are soaring around the globe. The significance of this price surge for world policy can hardly be overestimated. The world is experiencing its worst food crisis in more than 30 years, says New York-based economist Jeffrey Sachs.

At the end of April, the price for a ton of rice surpassed the $1,000 threshold for the first time, triggering real panic in large importing countries like the Philippines. In Haiti, hunger riots brought down the government while Egyptian textile workers took to the streets demanding food; about 200 people were arrested. In Sri Lanka, food became 34 percent more expensive within a year; in Costa Rica, its price has risen by 21 percent; in Egypt, by 13.5 percent. The developmental progress of five years is being wiped out overnight, warned International Money Fund (IMF) Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn.

Countries dependent on food imports are facing destabilization, yet tensions are also rising in countries where the people are still able to feed themselves. Higher prices for rice, corn and soybeans may benefit many small-scale farmers in the developing world but the urban poor are the real losers. Among industrialized nations, the effects of the price spikes are more limited but hardly negligible. In Germany, prices haven’t risen this fast in 14 years and in America, inflation has exceeded the 4 percent mark despite the recession. Low-wage earners are especially vulnerable to losses in buying power.

There can be no doubt regarding the causes of the current food crisis. This time, the avarice of commodity speculators is not to blame. Perhaps one or the other spot price may be inflated due to speculation but the root cause is scarcity.

For the first time in their lives, millions of Chinese, Indians, Malaysians and Brazilians can afford to eat sufficiently and well. They want to enjoy the same foods Europeans and North Americans do. Global supply hasn’t kept pace with the extra demand. Also, economic growth in Asia is driving up the price of oil. Fertilizer and fuel for tractors are now so expensive that farmers are being forced to raise prices.

This bout of inflation has systemic causes and won’t disappear any time soon. Maybe one price or the other will drop if the recession in the U.S. is more severe than expected, for example. But the trend will go up as long as world prosperity continues at its present clip. Commodities are finite, as meadows and fields can’t be expanded at will, not even in times of burgeoning demand.

It adds up to a sea change. The abysmally low prices for grain, milk and meat used to be the biggest problem for development aid policy. Now it’s hunger. In many countries, direct assistance to the poor has become the first priority. Economists have calculated that, if rice prices climb 10 percent in Indonesia, two million more people there will fall below the poverty line.

In responding, many countries are making disastrous mistakes. Beleaguered governments are imposing tariffs or outright bans on food exports. Doing so can temporarily relieve domestic price pressures but it will exacerbate the problem for importing countries. In sum, that policy makes food even scarcer. Subsidizing staples and freezing prices lead to waste and siphon off state finances. The World Bank and national agencies can put know-how and specialized programs to use here. In Yemen, for example, the World Bank is funding a relatively efficient food-for-work program that benefits the poor – and only the poor.

The crisis is resetting the scope of action for policymakers. The consensus among European politicians and consumers who reject genetically modified foods remains solid. Yet pressure will grow to compromise and make way for more productive agriculture through genetic engineering.

The competitive environment for organic agriculture is also deteriorating. Until now, many consumers have been happy to pay extra for organic bread, meat, and vegetables. Now that food in general has become more expensive, organic farmers in the U.S. are beginning to shut down because business is no longer profitable.

Then there is climate policy: The surge in food prices has demonstrated that agrofuels from corn, canola and other agricultural raw materials are not a viable alternative to fossil fuels. Given current technologies, public funding of biofuels means that people compete against cars for scarce agricultural land. The U.S. government’s ethanol subsidies have contributed significantly to the soaring price of corn in Mexico and other Latin American countries.

For the EU, these changes represent an opportunity to abandon the disastrous agricultural policies Europe has been pursuing for the past 50 years. Today, preventing surpluses and propping up farmers’ incomes by creating artificial demand are no longer needed. Today, farmers earn their money on the open market. It is more important now to help countries like Haiti and Bangladesh with their agricultural development.

European and North American consumers, who for decades have taken for granted their abundance of food, must change their thinking. Ultimately, having something on the table – our daily bread – decides life and death in the world. Realizing how scarce bread and meat really are could prompt us to rethink our values and recognize that our luxury often comes at others’ expense.


Picture above: “A measure of wheat for a penny…” The third horseman of the Apocalypse in the Book of Revelations, in which John the Apostle envisions the end of the world, represents famine. In John’s day, a penny was a very high price for a handful of grain. What will our daily bread cost us? The illustration is Albrecht Dürer’s 1498 woodcut, “The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.”


The Atlantic Times

455.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 10 May 2008 Sat 04:45 pm

Anatolian Storms
To live like a tree single and at liberty, and brotherly like the trees of a forest, this yearning is ours. (Nazım Hikmet)

456.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 10:30 am

A web site
http://www.turkiyebarismeclisi.org/v2/
turkiyebarismeclisi=turkeypeaceparliment
Turkey needs this type civil organizations..
And they are planing a huge meeting in 1st of June in kadikoy with the slogans: 'we want peace now''we want solution not death'

457.       libralady
5152 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 09:48 pm

A man in Saudia Arabia has been sentanced to 140 lashes for having coffee with a women who was not a relative. They don't know what has happened to the woman. They were caught by the religious police!

458.       magnadea
0 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 01:17 pm

Quoting libralady:

A man in Saudia Arabia has been sentanced to 140 lashes for having coffee with a women who was not a relative. They don't know what has happened to the woman. They were caught by the religious police!



I have given up arguing about religion - it makes no difference to argue. I just laugh at all religions now

I am sure those those who defend their religion so wildly will be proud of this. Well done to the religious police! Islam is saved from the naughty man who drank coffee with a woman! I hope the woman was punished more severely - it was probably her fault for allowing 1cm of foot to be seen under her burka which enticed the poor innocent man and compelled him to drink coffee with her lol lol lol

459.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 01:24 pm

Quoting magnadea:

I have given up arguing about religion - it makes no difference to argue. I just laugh at all religions now

I am sure those those who defend their religion so wildly will be proud of this. Well done to the religious police! Islam is saved from the naughty man who drank coffee with a woman! I hope the woman was punished more severely - it was probably her fault for allowing 1cm of foot to be seen under her burka which enticed the poor innocent man and compelled him to drink coffee with her lol lol lol


Now that you are reformed you can come back to TC and begin to nicely praise Ataturk and his children land... See? It wasn't that difficult! Now we can be a happy, loving family... :-S (you are the queen mother, remember? lol)

460.       magnadea
0 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 01:27 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Now that you are reformed you can come back to TC and begin to nicely praise Ataturk and his children land... See? It wasn't that difficult! Now we can be a happy, loving family... :-S (you are the queen mother, remember? lol)



I was going to say "Ataturk is not a religion" but actually I am wrong - our dear Kemalists are proof of that! lol

FORMER queen mother actually!! I am enjoying a happy retirement from my throne in the sun hehehe!

The new queen is...... thehandsom

461.       lady in red
6947 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 02:16 pm

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting catwoman:

Now that you are reformed you can come back to TC and begin to nicely praise Ataturk and his children land... See? It wasn't that difficult! Now we can be a happy, loving family... :-S (you are the queen mother, remember? lol)



I was going to say "Ataturk is not a religion" but actually I am wrong - our dear Kemalists are proof of that! lol

FORMER queen mother actually!! I am enjoying a happy retirement from my throne in the sun hehehe!

The new queen is...... thehandsom



Did we vote on this?? :-S I have no problem with the choice but it seems a bit undemocratic - unless you two are related of course! lollol

462.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 02:38 pm

Quoting magnadea:


The new queen is...... thehandsom



Shouldn't he be in Ankara right now


lol

463.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 03:13 pm

You beaches!!
(I was just eating my donkey friendly chicken salad..And everything got stuck in my throat now!!!!)

464.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 08:14 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

You beaches!!
(I was just eating my donkey friendly chicken salad..And everything got stuck in my throat now!!!!)



Is there a donkey/chicken war going on that I don't know about? lol

465.       teaschip
3870 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 08:17 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting thehandsom:

You beaches!!
(I was just eating my donkey friendly chicken salad..And everything got stuck in my throat now!!!!)



Is there a donkey/chicken war going on that I don't know about? lol



I don't know, I'm still wondering what kind of sammich thehandsom is. lol

466.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 08:19 pm

Quoting teaschip:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting thehandsom:

You beaches!!
(I was just eating my donkey friendly chicken salad..And everything got stuck in my throat now!!!!)



Is there a donkey/chicken war going on that I don't know about? lol



I don't know, I'm still wondering what kind of sammich thehandsom is. lol



TURKEY!!

467.       teaschip
3870 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 08:26 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting teaschip:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting thehandsom:

You beaches!!
(I was just eating my donkey friendly chicken salad..And everything got stuck in my throat now!!!!)



Is there a donkey/chicken war going on that I don't know about? lol



I don't know, I'm still wondering what kind of sammich thehandsom is. lol



TURKEY!!

lol
You are so damn smart Elisabeth, I should have known of all things TURKEY. lol lol I was starting to think bologne.

468.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 08:30 pm

469.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 09:41 pm

I am on top of caliptrix again! Horrah!!

470.       lady in red
6947 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 09:45 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

I am on top of caliptrix again! Horrah!!



Congratulations! Please accept this chicken and donkey sandwich as a small reward (sorry unable to send through forum post - I will pm you a token to redeem at your local McDonkeylds)

471.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 09:54 pm

Quoting lady in red:

Quoting Elisabeth:

I am on top of caliptrix again! Horrah!!



Congratulations! Please accept this chicken and donkey sandwich as a small reward (sorry unable to send through forum post - I will pm you a token to redeem at your local McDonkeylds)



What, no fries with that? Its just not the same without carrot safe potato fries! lol

472.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 May 2008 Thu 10:40 am

The truth is out there!!
(now listen to this music at the back ground while reading..
it makes it more exciting..you believe me )


Britain Releases its X-Files
Dear MoD: where is ET?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7398784.stm

http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

473.       Avalon
381 posts
 15 May 2008 Thu 11:21 am

Quoting thehandsom:

The truth is out there!!
(now listen to this music at the back ground while reading..
it makes it more exciting..you believe me )


Britain Releases its X-Files
Dear MoD: where is ET?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7398784.stm

http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

he might be at home,but who knows?maybe in Didim?

474.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 May 2008 Thu 02:52 pm

CADILLAC STONEHENGE
caption of the images say:
Amarillo, Texas, USA: Cadillac Ranch, a public art installation spearheaded by the art group, "Ant Farm" - a group of experimental architects in the 1970's, was first created in 1974. The ranch, which consists of ten Cadillac automobiles buried nose-down (and spray-painted by visitors) at a slight angle corresponding to that of the Great Pyramid of Giza, was later moved to a new location two miles away. Both properties are owned by local millionaire Stanley Marsh III, a vocal supporter of the project...

475.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 May 2008 Thu 03:04 pm

Tooth Tattoos


caption of the images say:
Tooth Tattoos the Latest Body Art Craze It would seem that word of mouth is spreading about the latest body art craze, tattooed teeth. The fad now sweeping America is heading across the Atlantic from tattoo artist Steve Heward who has designed a range of artworks for teeth known as Gnasher Tats. Heward creates the tattoos, which are then painted onto the back of peoples molars. Among the more creative designs are impressions of David Beckham, Amy Winehouse, Princess Diana, and even the Queen. Heward, who has been perfecting his art since 1979 said It's just exploded.The artist has designed his first set of tattoos for the UK market starting at £40..