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30.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:37 pm

Fantastic! I then believe the whole world should take measures to keep up with Fidel's policy. Why hasn't it happened yet? Could it be that great minds are never appreciated?

I wish we never brought down communism. It must have been a perfect system but the stupid Poles, Czechosklovakians, Yugoslavians and other just couldn't take it...You know, I remember that the health care in Poland during communism was great. Free of charge, unlimited coverage. People were earning quite a lot, housing was state-credited so basically you would get a flat for free. And yet people didn't like it...Maybe they weren't as smart as the Brits and Americans who gave us to uncle Stalin in Yalta. Know what? You could have kept that goodness for yourselves. Then you'd have a life of dreams as it is in Cuba

31.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:41 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:



PS Dont assume to know me, or my knowledge of Cuba (which was not based on chatting to a few waiters whilst lazing on the beach).



I never said your opinions were based on chatting to waiters, I gave it as a general example of people's idea about Cuba. Actually, you might even be a Cuban refugee - I would have no knowledge about it. I am nevertheless shocked that an educated person as yourself supports mass murderers and calls dictators saviours.

Regards

32.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:47 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Fantastic! I then believe the whole world should take measures to keep up with Fidel's policy.


Haha
I would agree with above:
Some more facts about cuba:

Cuba’s National Institute for Economic Research (INIE) and the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) makes an extremely favourable assessment of social and economic development in Cuba in recent years.


Until 1989, Cuba’s social policy led to very significant advances in education, health care, social security, employment and distribution. The collapse of the socialist bloc, as well as other internal and external factors, caused a severe crisis that peaked in 1993, dealing a blow to almost all the country’s social indicators


Cuba is an ‘interesting case’ of ‘growth with justice, as it has dealt simultaneously with economic and social problems’, using an integral development model which, over the past four decades, has increased social welfare and equity, despite the collapse of the socialist bloc, the underlying crisis and external restrictions


Cuban model are of great use in the international consideration of the opportunities for achieving productive development with equity’

the link is here:
http://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/analisis/881.asp

33.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:49 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

I am nevertheless shocked that an educated person as yourself supports mass murderers and calls dictators saviours.

Regards



Please could you enlighten me about the "mass murder". Are you talking about the Bay of Pigs?

Also - do you think the apartheid US rule was better?

34.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:06 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:



Please could you enlighten me about the "mass murder". Are you talking about the Bay of Pigs?



With pleasure, in mid '60s Che and Fidel were setting up concentration camps for anti-socialists and juvenile delinquents, needles to say, homosexuals and artists were among them too - the whole unnecessary element of society (and they weren't incarcerated in order to be treated). The death rate there was about 50%

A rough estimate accredits Che Guevara with 700 to 1700 people slaughtered either directly or at his command. "Hate is an element of fight (...) transcends natural human limits (...)and turns him into a ruthless killing machine.

In 1965 he was fighting against imperialism in Kenia and Tanzania and again, his trail was one of blood and terror. Finally Bolivian peasants gave him away to the police and they ended the scruffy life of this monster.

That's for mass murders - concentration camps are enough for Fidel, but Che deserved his own piece

Quote:

Also - do you think the apartheid US rule was better?



I don't think whatever Americans do is better. If they weren't so influential, their interference with the world's politics would be considered tyranny and they'd be judged for crimes against humanity as well.

35.       libralady
5152 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:24 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom:

wow..Finally, Fidel Castro leaves the office.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7252109.stm



It is very sad I don't think Cuba will ever be the same again. Castro was a good leader and proved that communism CAN work in the right envionment - it was a great tribute to Che Guavara. I give it 5 years before we see it corrupted by the US again - drugs, prostitution, McDonalds on every corner



In some respects I agree but others I don't. Yes, as schooling and medical systems are second to none. But Cuba is a country bathed in poverty where a waiter can earn as much money as a physician. They still have to queue for basic food and still have ration books. The buidings are crumbling and drugs are rife as is prostitution. Where the poor hunt street cats for a decent meal.

Cuba has a repressive regime, Cuban's can not leave their country unless they are on tour with music or acrobat or part of a circus shows. The tour guides are monitored for what they say to their guests. Sadly many children of the rich and successful were sent to Florida when Castor came to power in 1959, never to see their families again.

But also, I do not agree that America should get their hands on Cuba, but a democratic government now be sought, not replace Castro with Rafael. But we all know why Cuba is so interesting to America - it has oil, suprisingly enough.

One word on Che, he did a lot of good work for lepers and was one of the first Doctors to actually touch a leper.

36.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:25 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:


A rough estimate accredits Che Guevara with 700 to 1700 people slaughtered either directly or at his command. "Hate is an element of fight (...) transcends natural human limits (...)and turns him into a ruthless killing machine.

In 1965 he was fighting against imperialism in Kenia and Tanzania and again, his trail was one of blood and terror. Finally Bolivian peasants gave him away to the police and they ended the scruffy life of this monster.

That's for mass murders - concentration camps are enough for Fidel, but Che deserved his own piece


I promise to come back on this topic daydreamer..

37.       teaschip
3870 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:31 pm

Just simply ask a cuban amercian what they think of Castro..unlike Cubans who have no free press or polling who knows how they really feel about him.

38.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 07:16 pm

Hehe I will come back to this subject too! Unfortunately I will be offline for a week or so (to let you all catch up with my number of posts ).

However, it is always interesting to see how people can have two completely opposite opinions on the same subject. I love it

39.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 07:46 pm

Come on! You can't leave me in the middle of an argument for a whole week ya! What if Daydreamer the Nice will renew her Dead Poets' Society membership?

40.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 07:51 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Come on! You can't leave me in the middle of an argument for a whole week ya! What if Daydreamer the Nice will renew her Dead Poets' Society membership?



Awwwww dont make me argue NOW I had a busy day!!

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