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60.       AEnigma III
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 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:15 pm

Quoting ciko:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Anyway, he is still my hero!



maybe because you have not suffered from communism in your life



True - but Cuba can hardly be compared to the USSR

61.       Daydreamer
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 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:16 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


He was the most heroic of all the revolutionists in the world.
And he will remain that way..



Yeap and glory be to Adolf Hitler who helped Germany overcome a crisis and was driven by ideology. With revolutionaries ideology comes before the worth of a human life so...what did you say? Revolution demands victims? And Stalin? He was a revolutionary as well. Many paid for his ideas. And it's no use to say Che was better than them. Socialism (or national-socialism in case of Hitler's) is represented by unnecessary deaths, and all of the great revolutionaries are guilty as charged. You may lick the blood of their hands and call murder a necessity. It is up to your conscience. I cannot.

62.       AEnigma III
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 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:18 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:


He was the most heroic of all the revolutionists in the world.
And he will remain that way..



Yeap and glory be to Adolf Hitler who helped Germany overcome a crisis and was driven by ideology. With revolutionaries ideology comes before the worth of a human life so...what did you say? Revolution demands victims? And Stalin? He was a revolutionary as well. Many paid for his ideas. And it's no use to say Che was better than them. Socialism (or national-socialism in case of Hitler's) is represented by unnecessary deaths, and all of the great revolutionaries are guilty as charged. You may lick the blood of their hands and call murder a necessity. It is up to your conscience. I cannot.



You cannot compare Che Guavara to Stalin or Hitler!!!!! lol

63.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:20 pm

Oh, can't I? Right....Hitler and Stalin hardly ever murdered people with their own hands like Che did

64.       AEnigma III
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 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:21 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, can't I? Right....Hitler and Stalin hardly ever murdered people with their own hands like Che did



Hahahahaha! No - they murdered thousands with calm orders and from their comfortable houses

65.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:22 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, can't I? Right....Hitler and Stalin hardly ever murdered people with their own hands like Che did



Hahahahaha! No - they murdered thousands with calm orders and from their comfortable houses



Oh so now I see what you love him for so much...he did not make others do the dirty work True, if you want something to be done the right way, you have to do it yourself

66.       femme_fatal
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 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:25 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:

As I promised to daydreamer

Jean-Paul Sartre, about Che Guevara "the most complete human being of our age".



Thehandsom, feel free to admire whoever you want, but he is as much of a hero as Adolf Hitler is. There are worldwide organizations praising the latter although he hasn't become as commercialised a symbol as Che Guevara did. I recall a saying that even killing one person shows there's something wrong with you. If you think the pool of blood Che Guevara is responsible of still makes him your romantic (sic!) hero - I'm speechless. I have read his biography so it's not really that I know nothing about him. Here's something I found online - a bit lengthy but being such a fan, you may want to give it some time:


I will read it later on..
But day dreaming girl, he was not working for a charity..
He was a revolutionist with his Kalashnikov in one hand.
The other hand?
He was carrying a torch and trying to light the fire of freedom as he went along from one country to another.

He was the most heroic of all the revolutionists in the world.
And he will remain that way..


lol
whats result of his revolution?
was it fruitful?

67.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:27 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:


He was the most heroic of all the revolutionists in the world.
And he will remain that way..



Yeap and glory be to Adolf Hitler who helped Germany overcome a crisis and was driven by ideology. With revolutionaries ideology comes before the worth of a human life so...what did you say? Revolution demands victims? And Stalin? He was a revolutionary as well. Many paid for his ideas. And it's no use to say Che was better than them. Socialism (or national-socialism in case of Hitler's) is represented by unnecessary deaths, and all of the great revolutionaries are guilty as charged. You may lick the blood of their hands and call murder a necessity. It is up to your conscience. I cannot.


You have no idea what you are talking about. do you? lol

ps..I always suspected that some eastern block ignorant women would think 'ah, in old days, I could not buy any stockings . because there was not any. so, down with revolutionists. Now we have marks and spencers and I can even buy thongs. long live democracy'
lol

68.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:28 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

It's amazing how you can look at one person in such different lights, depending on the "spin". Anyway, he is still my hero!


oh, no.
cut the crap down, aenigma.

69.       AEnigma III
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 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:29 pm

I am interested Daydreamer, do you think that Cuba should have remained as it was? Do you think Haiti is a better example to set in the Caribbean?

There are many false facts "created" about both Che and Castro with good reason. They embarassed the US and have effectively been a country under seige ever since Castro took power. They defeated the US at the Bay of Pigs and the US has never forgiven them for it (the mafia were also a little bit put out ). The CIA have been trying to kill him for years!!!! They hate him with a passion for embarassing them in this way.

Only yesterday I heard someone on the news saying "how could Castro be a good leader when it is known he had millions of dollars! This "fact" was soon corrected and the BBC apologised for their error. They had read this "fact" in Forbes rich list. Forbes is well known to despise Castro and made up these figures in his book! lol

In fact Castro has NO MONEY at all. His children all worked in factories as soon as leaving school, and he lives a modest life. He is not a hyprocrite living in comfort (like leaders of so-called communism).

70.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:31 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, and I forgot about an inspiring pic just as you did


You are day dreaming..



That's what I do for life. But at least I don't make murderers my heroes, comrade



I have seriously enjoyed readibg your discussion about Che and revolutionaries. It was very informative.

But on a lighter note, the discussion made me recall my first thought when I saw the picture femme uploaded of me. I had felt honoured that she would think I had an air of Che about me, now I'm not so sure :-S

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