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70.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:31 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, and I forgot about an inspiring pic just as you did


You are day dreaming..



That's what I do for life. But at least I don't make murderers my heroes, comrade



I have seriously enjoyed readibg your discussion about Che and revolutionaries. It was very informative.

But on a lighter note, the discussion made me recall my first thought when I saw the picture femme uploaded of me. I had felt honoured that she would think I had an air of Che about me, now I'm not so sure :-S

71.       AEnigma III
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 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:33 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

It's amazing how you can look at one person in such different lights, depending on the "spin". Anyway, he is still my hero!


oh, no.
cut the crap down, aenigma.



72.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:35 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


You have no idea what you are talking about. do you? lol

ps..I always suspected that some eastern block ignorant women would think 'ah, in old days, I could not buy any stockings . because there was not any. so, down with revolutionists. Now we have marks and spencers and I can even buy thongs. long live democracy'
lol



I wonder what makes me more ignorant - the fact that I am a woman or that I am from the eastern block? Actually when the communism came down I was 11 years old so buying stockings was not really my problem.

I'm sure that you, being a Turk (I'm guessing so) and a male, have possessed the world's wisdom and by definition have the right to have the only right views. If you think arguments are about calling names - my sincere congratulations. How about me calling you a donkey? Would that help me put across my ideas? Very convincing that would be Unfortunately that's not my way of exchanging thoughts.

So, dear thehandson, grab a gun and follow your god. Don't let ignorant eastern women stand in your way. Those who think otherwise can always be slaughtered, right?

73.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:40 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting thehandsom:


You have no idea what you are talking about. do you? lol

ps..I always suspected that some eastern block ignorant women would think 'ah, in old days, I could not buy any stockings . because there was not any. so, down with revolutionists. Now we have marks and spencers and I can even buy thongs. long live democracy'
lol



I wonder what makes me more ignorant - the fact that I am a woman or that I am from the eastern block? Actually when the communism came down I was 11 years old so buying stockings was not really my problem.

I'm sure that you, being a Turk (I'm guessing so) and a male, have possessed the world's wisdom and by definition have the right to have the only right views. If you think arguments are about calling names - my sincere congratulations. How about me calling you a donkey? Would that help me put across my ideas? Very convincing that would be Unfortunately that's not my way of exchanging thoughts.

So, dear thehandson, grab a gun and follow your god. Don't let ignorant eastern women stand in your way. Those who think otherwise can always be slaughtered, right?


Ok Ok
apologies!!
calling names is not my style anyway.
But I will still insist that 'you have no idea what you are talking about' though..

74.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:41 pm

Reply to my post you bed girl!!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

I am interested Daydreamer, do you think that Cuba should have remained as it was? Do you think Haiti is a better example to set in the Caribbean?

There are many false facts "created" about both Che and Castro with good reason. They embarassed the US and have effectively been a country under seige ever since Castro took power. They defeated the US at the Bay of Pigs and the US has never forgiven them for it (the mafia were also a little bit put out ). The CIA have been trying to kill him for years!!!! They hate him with a passion for embarassing them in this way.

Only yesterday I heard someone on the news saying "how could Castro be a good leader when it is known he had millions of dollars! This "fact" was soon corrected and the BBC apologised for their error. They had read this "fact" in Forbes rich list. Forbes is well known to despise Castro and made up these figures in his book! lol

In fact Castro has NO MONEY at all. His children all worked in factories as soon as leaving school, and he lives a modest life. He is not a hyprocrite living in comfort (like leaders of so-called communism).

75.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:46 pm

OOps..sorry AE, I just missed it. Still, I am afraid you won't like my answer anyway. I cannot tell what I think would have happened if it hadn't been for Fidel. Disappointing as it may be, I am no fortune teller and thus I am unable to speculate what would have happened if, and definitely I am terrible at guessing what would have been better. All I can do is to be critical about the past...

76.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:51 pm

The trouble is you are judging both Castro and Che by US "hype".

Do you know that the US publically DENIED any involvement in the Bay of Pigs? It is only since a timeline was released by the National Security Archives that we know that they sent approximately 1,400 CIA special forces to overthrow Castro? They were so sure of victory that Kennedy even cancelled air strikes. They were, as we know defeated.

77.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:51 pm

Oh, about media distorting the image of Fidel, you have an absolute point there. Media is about manipulation and distortion. But the fact that he lives up to his ideals doesn't mean he has the right to impose his ways on the whole society, does it?

Have you read Margareth Atwood's "The Handsmaid's Tale"? (The film sucks but the book is great) There is a line "there are two kinds of freedom: the freedom of something and the freedom to do something."

Even if we agree that basic needs of Cubans are provided for, they have no freedom. Now we can debate what's important - to have a full medical care or to be able to speak for ourselves. How free are Cubans?

78.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:55 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

The trouble is you are judging both Castro and Che by US "hype".

Do you know that the US publically DENIED any involvement in the Bay of Pigs? It is only since a timeline was released by the National Security Archives that we know that they sent approximately 1,400 CIA special forces to overthrow Castro? They were so sure of victory that Kennedy even cancelled air strikes. They were, as we know defeated.



Me the US advocate? Please...I love all the moments when US nosey nose gets stuck in dung It's great to see them taken down a peg or two. Like I said, I cannot be a judge in Cuba vs US case. All I can say is that Cuba's alleged welfare is a lie

79.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:01 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Even if we agree that basic needs of Cubans are provided for, they have no freedom. Now we can debate what's important - to have a full medical care or to be able to speak for ourselves. How free are Cubans?



I am no communist, or supporter of it, but it DOES WORK in Cuba and Cubans are more free than they have ever been in Cuba's history (if we discount the murdered original inhabitants!). They have been African slaves and Spanish aristocrats, then mafia/US controlled with complete segregation (worse than South Africa EVER was). It is not a perfect society, but their standard of living is a damn sight better than the rest of the Caribbean, where only the rich and white enjoy such "freedom".

80.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 20 Feb 2008 Wed 01:04 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:


There are many false facts 'created' about both Che and Castro with good reason. They embarassed the US and have effectively been a country under seige ever since Castro took power. They defeated the US at the Bay of Pigs and the US has never forgiven them for it (the mafia were also a little bit put out ). The CIA have been trying to kill him for years!!!! They hate him with a passion for embarassing them in this way.


actually, dear it would not be a deal for US to crush down little cuba. all in all cuba is not on other side of the earth. but USA allowed cuba to stay as it is. they definelty did their parts to abolish the old goat at request of cuban opposition. but US didnt succeed.
btw, if it was ussr neighboring with a little country that was not socialist it would have been consumated in a second. the whole neighbourhood of ussr was under control of ussr except for japan.

but usa has different politics.

i dont think cuba was enbrassing usa. which way? the way that cubans flee from castro's cuba to usa?

Quoting AEnigma III:



Only yesterday I heard someone on the news saying 'how could Castro be a good leader when it is known he had millions of dollars! This 'fact' was soon corrected and the BBC apologised for their error. They had read this 'fact' in Forbes rich list. Forbes is well known to despise Castro and made up these figures in his book! lol


this is a crap. mass media does it to every politician

Quoting AEnigma III:


In fact Castro has NO MONEY at all. His children all worked in factories as soon as leaving school, and he lives a modest life. He is not a hyprocrite living in comfort (like leaders of so-called communism).


OMG lol
osama ben laden also lives a very modest life

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