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Erdogan lambastes Israel
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 05:07 pm

Well, It's About Time Turkey speaks out:

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan hit Israel hard on Sunday saying the Israelis were using disproportional violence against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip killing civilians including children.

“We simply cannot explain the attacks against people in humanitarian terms. There is no legal basis for these attacks. As the Turkish Republic we are condemning the attitude of Israel in very clear terms.”

Prime Minister Erdogan said when Turkey launched similar operations against the PKK in northern Iraq it did not target or harm even a single civilian. He said this is the result of the sensitivity displayed by the Turkish Republic and its armed forces.

He said the issue will be taken up at the cabinet session on Monday and necessary steps will be taken.

He said Turkey had appealed to Israel to solve the problem through diplomatic means but the Israelis did not even respond.

New Anatolian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzeTYbQOUJo


Israeli-Turkish relations tense as Erdogan says Qassams don't kill

The Palestinian territories are like an open-air prison, they are under siege from Israel.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/947607.html

Erdoğan: "Children are being murdered"


Erdoğan condemned Israel about the bloody attacks on Gaza.

"The Israeli defense minister came to Turkey. We communicated to him that civilians are being killed due to the non-proportional use of force and that we are disturbed by this."

Erdoğan condemns Israel: "children are being murdered"

Prime Minister Erdoğan stated that sanctions other than diplomatic are being discussed regarding Israel's attack on Gaza. The Prime Minister stated that Turkey condemns Israel's attacks and that the council of ministers will discuss the issue today. Erdoğan said: "we told them to solve the issue with diplomacy. However, unfortunately, they did not choose the way Turkey has shown them. This is a matter of identity." Erdoğan added: "it is not possible for us to approve of this inhuman application. Civilians and children are being murdered by the disproportional use of power. These attacks can not be explained on a humanitarian or legal basis. As the Turkish government, we clearly condemn the attitude displayed by Israel."
SABAH
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7C6A086D-80BD-40BD-95CF-815F4FC4D419.htm






2.       Prenses Ghenwa
21 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 06:05 pm

I really admire Recep Tayyip Erdogan..

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 07:57 pm

Quoting Prenses Ghenwa:

I really admire Recep Tayyip Erdogan..


I especially admire him for his free thinking ability and his good looking mustache... Oh, I also like his incredible business skills

4.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:07 pm

Here are some loaded questions that I think about..Isn't any act of killing whether they are innocent or not a form of violence? How can it be justified, speaking in terms of religion. Why is it more acceptable in society to kill a terrorist and not an innocent person? And what about the death penality? Are we to play God? Aren't we suppose to turn the other cheek or is it an eye for eye. Obviously, I'm playing devils advocate here and interested in your thoughts...

5.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:11 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Here are some loaded questions that I think about..Isn't any act of killing whether they are innocent or not a form of violence?


Yeah, it's an act of violence, but it's a very different thing to kill a terrorist then an innocent person! These two acts have a very different moral charge!

6.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:15 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

Here are some loaded questions that I think about..Isn't any act of killing whether they are innocent or not a form of violence?


Yeah, it's an act of violence, but it's a very different thing to kill a terrorist then an innocent person! These two acts have a very different moral charge!



But based on most religions, killing in any form is highly against. What about a drunk driver, who is generally a good person who kills an innocent person. Are you saying someone who has premeditated the crime, should be killed?

7.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:22 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

But based on most religions, killing in any form is highly against. What about a drunk driver, who is generally a good person who kills an innocent person. Are you saying someone who has premeditated the crime, should be killed?


I didn't say that they "should" be killed, I just said taht it's a very different thing when one is killed over the other. I'm not basing anything on religion, but on my own moral views.

8.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:25 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

But based on most religions, killing in any form is highly against. What about a drunk driver, who is generally a good person who kills an innocent person. Are you saying someone who has premeditated the crime, should be killed?


I didn't say that they "should" be killed, I just said taht it's a very different thing when one is killed over the other. I'm not basing anything on religion, but on my own moral views.



What makes it very different?
So perhaps it's more acceptable to kill someone who has premeditated.thoughtout an act of violence towards another than to kill an innocent person? Again, these are just questions..not my personal views.

9.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 10:59 pm





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10.       CANLI
5084 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 12:56 am

Quoting teaschip1:


Killing terrorist in a war in my opinion is justified,for many reasons,naming one,if you didnt stop him,he will kill many innocent people
So,actually if you have turned the other cheek to a terrorist is like you have placed a death penalty upon many innocent people in the society.
And you also cant put people who defending themselves there fore they are killing others,with people who are killing others''innocent people'' to take their homes and lands in same basket.
And also you cant ask someone to turn the other cheeck when someone is attacking him to kill him,he would be fighting back and maybe kill too,so it will be an eye for an eye.
So i guess,you cant actually turn the other cheek all the times,but also you shouldnt use eye for an eye all the times !

11.       CANLI
5084 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 01:00 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting Prenses Ghenwa:

I really admire Recep Tayyip Erdogan..


I especially admire him for his free thinking ability and his good looking


+100000
İ agree with that part,in a way there is much resemblance between him an George Clooney,and i LOVE Clooney lol

12.       CANLI
5084 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 01:06 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

+ billions....
Israel has zero credibility. How fitting their own politicians use the word holocaust to describe what the palestinians face. What a disgusting nation that the US helped create...


a disgusting nation that britain created actually.


Maybe its created by Britain,but its USA'spoiled child

13.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 01:41 am

Der Spiegel
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,539055,00.html

14.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 06:17 pm

Israeli army 'crimes' unpunished

Israel insists dozens of roadblock checkpoints are needed for security
An Israeli human rights group says the overwhelming majority of Israeli troops suspected of criminal offences against Palestinians are never indicted.
The small number of investigations and even fewer indictments showed Israel's army was ignoring its duty to protect Palestinian civilians, Yesh Din says.

It said soldiers felt they had immunity from investigation and prosecution, which inevitably led to more offences.

An Israeli foreign ministry spokesman said no-one was above the law.

The spokesman, Mark Regev, added that any complaints would be taken seriously by the Israeli legal authorities.

Yesh Din's report said offences included "illegal shooting causing the death and injury of civilians, violence and abuse, intentional damage to property, looting, taking bribes".

Between 2000 and 2007, it says, 239 investigations into the killing and wounding of non-combatant Palestinian civilians by Israeli forces had led to just 16 convictions.

Occupying power

"The low number of investigations opened and the minute number of indictments served reveal the [Israeli Defence Force's] de facto derogation of its duty to protect the Palestinian population against offences committed by soldiers," said Yesh Din legal adviser Michael Sfard.

A recent survey commissioned by the Israeli army said one-in-four soldiers who had served at checkpoints in the West Bank had witnessed or taken part in abuse of Palestinians.

Soldiers quoted anonymously admitted humiliating Palestinians, delaying them without good reason and accepting bribes.

Under international law, the Israeli army is considered an occupying power the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with a duty to protect the civilian population.

Israel captured the territories - home to about four million Palestinians - during the 1967 war.

It pulled troops out of Gaza in 2005 but still keeps a tight grip on its borders and air space.
Last Updated: Tuesday, 18 December 2007, 17:48 GMT

15.       duda
0 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 08:14 pm

Quoting KeithL:

What a disgusting nation that the US helped create...



Quoting catwoman:

a disgusting nation that britain created actually.



The most disgusting thing an individual can do is to call a whole nation (ANY nation) "disgusting". Nationalism is disgusting. Racism is disgusting. And I am ashamed to breath the same air as people who were able to write something like this.

My regards to all the other people, those who have been raised up in the spirit of tolerance and admiration for other nations. Hope to see you at some better place.

D.

16.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 08:24 pm

Quoting duda:

Quoting KeithL:

What a disgusting nation that the US helped create...



Quoting catwoman:

a disgusting nation that britain created actually.



The most disgusting thing an individual can do is to call a whole nation (ANY nation) "disgusting". Nationalism is disgusting. Racism is disgusting. And I am ashamed to breath the same air as people who were able to write something like this.

My regards to all the other people, those who have been raised up in the spirit of tolerance and admiration for other nations. Hope to see you at some better place.

D.



I wouldn't call a nation disgusting, any nation. It's the people who make up a nation and I can see how this can be offensive towards someone.

17.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 08:28 pm

I was careful to say nation as opposed to people. There are Israeli's who agree that the "nation's" genocide of the native Palestinian people is disgusting. Over a half century of illegal and immoral behavior does make it's government disgusting...

The same can be said of the Serbian government after Tito. I like the serbian people, but its government policy was immoral...

18.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 08:38 pm

Quoting KeithL:

I was careful to say nation as opposed to people. There are Israeli's who agree that the "nation's" genocide of the native Palestinian people is disgusting. Over a half century of illegal and immoral behavior does make it's government disgusting...

The same can be said of the Serbian government after Tito. I like the serbian people, but its government policy was immoral...



And what about the Armenian Genocide, does this classify the Turkish government in the same ranks as Israel.. Let me guess what genocide?

19.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 08:47 pm

Oh Tea....
Can't we stay on one topic without always coming back to insult the Turks in some way?

If you would like to start another thread to compare the two, I will be happy to explain. The millions of deaths in eastern turkey was a result of World War I and the Armenians alliance with Russia. I feel genuine sorrow for the Armenains who suffered.

20.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:00 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Oh Tea....
Can't we stay on one topic without always coming back to insult the Turks in some way?

If you would like to start another thread to compare the two, I will be happy to explain. The millions of deaths in eastern turkey was a result of World War I and the Armenians alliance with Russia. I feel genuine sorrow for the Armenains who suffered.



I don't see how this was getting off the topic..I just posed a question based on your explanation. so you assume I am insulting Turks...but it's ok to insult Israelis here? Obviously, someone took offense to your comment.

21.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:03 pm

and I answered both of you in a relevant manner

22.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 12:20 am

Turkish Press
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=219004&s=&i=&t=Intelligence_paints_grim_picture_for_Israel

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