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320.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:39 am

I understand what your saying Christine and in the spirit of the rules of this site, you are right. However, you are behind the times . . there's loads of preachers on this site now !!!!!

We've got, now . . . let me see. . .hmm

>feminist preachers
>prejudiced preachers (from all over the ball park I might add)
>Nationalist preachers
>sexist preachers
>contrary preachers
>sarcastic preachers
>religious preachers
>atheist preachers
>agnostic preachers
>bitter preachers
>vulgar preachers
>hypocritical preachers
>menopausal (male and female . . . didn't want to exclude handsom )
>boring preachers
>bored preachers

(watch Peace Train pause for breath)

>provocative preachers
>propaganda preachers
>sex mad preachers
>don't do as I do but do as I say preachers
>sensible preachers
>ignorant preachers
>space cadet preachers
>ridiculous preachers
>empathetic preachers

(peace Train takes 5 for water intake)

>rigid thinking preachers
>fence sitter preachers
>vigorous preachers
>gentle preachers
>vitriolic preachers
>sympathetic preachers
>cream bun preachers
>ex Rod Stewart Fan preachers
>double standards preachers
>highly strung preachers
>fantasizing preachers
>realist preachers

(zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Peace Train . . WAKE UP !)

>Outlandish preachers
>peace preachers
>defensive preachers
>'Frankly' preachers
>hairy preachers
>'only I know the truth' preachers
>Young Turk preachers
>Old Turk preachers
>'the fact is . . .' preachers
>silence equals agreement preachers
>mischief making preachers

And my personal favourite:

>THE ONE AND ONLY Sanctimonious Preacher!

I'm sure I missed some out . . .

321.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:43 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting catwoman:

or practice instead of preaching!!!



Yes.. this is actually what I get tired of.. I know more Turks who enjoy a rakı and a smoke, than who dont. Yet they get angry if you think a woman shouldnt be covered 'because it says so in the Quran'. I thought that alcohol was forbidden too. And all those muslims in western countries, that eat sweets with gelatine but wouldnt dare to touch bacon.

Anyway this is just some generalizations that frustrate me They came to mind when you said practice instead of preaching.



There are very many sweets in the west that do not contain gelatin but pectin which is not an animal derivative. Many manufacturers are now making the 'gummy' type sweets without the gelatin . . not just for muslims but for vegetarians. I remember posting a very long list of sweets a while back.

322.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:46 am

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting christine:

Quoting adonis:

I wanna give a surah from Quran for not-believers and the people who always have prejudices about Islam and insult it.



I am a none believer, but i respect all people and their believes. I don't preach to anyone, so please don't preach to me.



But dont you see,You do ...
You actually doing it
You are trying to show us how to be good Muslims
And how to apply OUR religion in an acceptable way...
Review all the posts about İslam,and you will see that
You are Reteaching us OUR religion

Ps:for the note ''You'' is generally speaking




+ 1111111111111111111111111

323.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:46 am

Quoting peace train:


There are very many sweets in the west that do not contain gelatin but pectin which is not an animal derivative. Many manufacturers are now making the 'gummy' type sweets without the gelatin . . not just for muslims but for vegetarians. I remember posting a very long list of sweets a while back.




Yes you are right, but the market is still not that strong. Even Magnum icecream in Holland contains forbidden ingredients. Actually Ill be happy to eat sweets without gelatine, relaly dont like the idea of pig in my sweets

324.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:49 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting alameda:

"Birds of a feather flock together"


how nicely you dismissed everything we said and then you go on saying "show us empathy!" this is ridiculous.



Hey Catwoman . . . I think it was me who mentioned "empathy" but did I use the word "us"? hm m m not sure.. Maybe Alameda did too, if she did, I apologise.

oooh just going to modify my preacher list . . . >ridiculous preachers

325.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:58 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting adonis:

people who always have prejudices about Islam and insult it.




Just as a general statement:

Everybody has prejudice about something, but I can say that I am studying Islam at university and I am currently reading Quran. I am trying to understand this complex religion and get rid of prejudice.

I have never intended to insult Islam. Not agreeing with someone, doesnt mean you insult someone. If you wear a sweater and I tell you its not my style, that I wouldnt have bought it, its not an ınsult. An insult is merely defined by the person who takes it.

The reason that these discussions go nowhere, is because 'my' answers are rational, 'yours' are divine. These two cant be combined. Yet, I hope that the believers of the future will follow in both heart and mind!



You certainly have a point DK but there have been and are still some people who would look at that jumper and say things like:

"uugh you have such bad taste in clothes"

"I wouldn't be seen dead in that!"

"And you think you're a fashion icon? And the rest!"

The jumper example you gave is not insulting. The ones I gave ARE. The speaker may not be calling the wearer names but he/she is still being insulting.

Thank you DK

326.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 02:04 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting peace train:


There are very many sweets in the west that do not contain gelatin but pectin which is not an animal derivative. Many manufacturers are now making the 'gummy' type sweets without the gelatin . . not just for muslims but for vegetarians. I remember posting a very long list of sweets a while back.




Yes you are right, but the market is still not that strong. Even Magnum icecream in Holland contains forbidden ingredients. Actually Ill be happy to eat sweets without gelatine, relaly dont like the idea of pig in my sweets



We have no bed piggy magnum, sweety eaters in my town

327.       alameda
3499 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 02:10 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting alameda:

"Birds of a feather flock together"


how nicely you dismissed everything we said and then you go on saying "show us empathy!" this is ridiculous.



Are you sure I said that catwoman? If so, what was the context?

...and it also seems to me you have dismissed most of what I've said also. I seem to remember after I said

"Yes, and most see only the only rocks and never the diamonds..."

Your response was:

Oh please! You're simply in denial of the truth.

328.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 09 Mar 2008 Sun 03:03 pm

Hanci - Ajda Pekkan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKQXstA9ys0&feature=related

ENRİCO MACİAS'IN MÃœKEMMEL OLYMPİA KONSERİ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDor2sOUpOc&feature=related

329.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 01:31 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:




Just as a general statement:

Everybody has prejudice about something, but I can say that I am studying Islam at university and I am currently reading Quran. I am trying to understand this complex religion and get rid of prejudice.

I have never intended to insult Islam. Not agreeing with someone, doesnt mean you insult someone. If you wear a sweater and I tell you its not my style, that I wouldnt have bought it, its not an ınsult. An insult is merely defined by the person who takes it.

The reason that these discussions go nowhere, is because 'my' answers are rational, 'yours' are divine. These two cant be combined. Yet, I hope that the believers of the future will follow in both heart and mind!



+ 1

330.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 01:56 pm

Quoting alameda:



Well Daydreamer, that is really a matter of opinion. May I point out that to trivialize the fact that Witchcraft persecutions ended 60 years ago ignores the fact that is still in LIVING memory.



So, in the same manner, you may want to argue that people from Germany are bad as they are all Nazists. The memory of WW II is still alive in memory, but nobody sane would pass judgements on contemporary Germany basing on what happened over 60 years ago.


Quoting alameda:



...and some justified that as the result blacks suffering from the curse of Ham and thus claimed they deserved to be treated badly....sigh..



You missed the point of my joke! It's easy to criticise others ignoring the bad things going on in your own backyard. Has anyone said here that Western countries are absolutely perfect? No crimes? No poverty? I, among others, have repeatedly stated that West is far from ideal. But I do think that people are freer here than in Muslim states.


Quote:

Choose a religion of none, I am not offering an opinion on your spiritual choice, however I don't feel it's appropriate to belittle and demean others choices. I have not seen any Muslims here proselytizing, but I have seen a lot of anti Islamic rhetoric.



I have never intended to belittle or demean any religion. I think they do it themselves by exploiting and abusing their followers. But I do agree - everyone has the right to choose their own religion. Just as it is my right to comment on certain social issues that derive from religious norms. If somebody wishes to become a Satanist, it is his/her choice. But if his religion permits to kill somebody, it is my right or even responsibility to express my disagreement. If Catholics decide that religion should be taught at schools - protesting against it has nothing to do with demeaning this religion, it is simply a personal opinion. If Muslims treat women in a manner I disagree with, stating it does not make me belittle Islam, does it?


Quote:

It was I who made that post based on an analysis of posts here. Calling my comment a whine is an attempt to trivialize and dismiss an observation.



I apologise if you felt insulted by the word "whine." But I do feel your observation was an exaggeration. It is those you call atheists, free-thinkers who are constantly insulted in this site. Muslims are treated with respect. I haven't noticed any of "you are stupid because I know better" attitude that some of this "oppressed" group of Muslims and nationalists present.

Quote:

I think we are both actually in agreement, I don't want religion or forced on me, and you don't want it forced on you. One's spiritual choices are deeply personal and must be freely made, if they are to be valid. I posted the links so as to enable anyone who actually wants those type of discussions to find an appropriate outlet.

What I do object to is any type religious bullying. The world has had enough of that.



Exactly, we agree about this one in 100%

Quote:

Looking at your profile and your relationship with Ireland (with it's Catholic/Protestant issues) you must be aware of these issues.

Religious Bullying



I'm not Irish, I'm a Polish immigrant to Ireland. I have no idea what it has been here like before. But I assure you, no religious bullying or hate is present. Catholics, Protestants and other religions co-exist peacefully.

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