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Defend Bülent Ersoy
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10.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 03:33 pm

Janissary, so you think that whatever your country does should be accepted by everyone and no personal opinions can be voiced if they disagree with the country's policy?

Do you think that people who say they are against war should be imprisoned?

11.       janissary
0 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 04:05 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Janissary, so you think that whatever your country does should be accepted by everyone and no personal opinions can be voiced if they disagree with the country's policy?

Do you think that people who say they are against war should be imprisoned?



of course not. but this is not the point. if turkey attacted Greece or another country, I wouldnt accept it. BUT if ur country is in danger and invaded by enemies, someones have to die for this country and there are millions of young ppl and mothers who will volunteered to be a martyr (not dead, coz it s different). coz everything... ur culture, ur religion, ur life, ur family will be in danger. if u dont understand what are these mean, nothinbg to tell more.

12.       teaschip
3870 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 04:33 pm

Quoting LCT:

I think we should defend Bülent Ersoy.
What she said was right.

'I'm a not a mother,nor can I ever have children,but if could I would not send my son to war'

She has been threatened wıth 3 years imprisonment for saying this.
This is not a crime.
Has the right to free speech eroded so much that people cannot speak out against war?






This is soooo backwards...what year are we in? This poor mother... Threatened with 3 years imprisonment...what a bunch of bull.

13.       MrX67
2540 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 04:43 pm

how can she talk as she wished while real mothers sending their sons as a hennaed lambs just with the country love??everybody have to know limits,especially on sensitive events.....Speech and opinion freedom sure one of the main right,but we all have to know an unlimited freedoms brings only chaos...

14.       CANLI
5084 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 05:05 pm

Quoting janissary:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Janissary, so you think that whatever your country does should be accepted by everyone and no personal opinions can be voiced if they disagree with the country's policy?

Do you think that people who say they are against war should be imprisoned?



of course not. but this is not the point. if turkey attacted Greece or another country, I wouldnt accept it. BUT if ur country is in danger and invaded by enemies, someones have to die for this country and there are millions of young ppl and mothers who will volunteered to be a martyr (not dead, coz it s different). coz everything... ur culture, ur religion, ur life, ur family will be in danger. if u dont understand what are these mean, nothinbg to tell more.



+1
İm not with her been threatened with 3 years imprisonment.
But except of her country army,she wouldnt be here today stating such statment.
No one with war,but if you have to,if you have to defend your country,then you should have strong army donig so
And those mother have sent their kids to the war through the years for people like her to live.

15.       CANLI
5084 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 05:07 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

This poor mother... Threatened with 3 years imprisonment...what a bunch of bull.


She is not a mother,she cant be one.

16.       boradiz
121 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 05:10 pm

The real problem here is that in general public many people objected since "Bülent" is not a mother. Technically she can never give birth to a baby.
"one of Turkey's most popular male singers and actors, Bülent Ersoy gained international notoriety in 1981 for a sex change operation by Dr. Mındıkoğlu in her native country" Wiki

So with this line of thinking, only "martyrs" can criticize military operations, or mothers who "sacrified" their sons can ask for peace.
My poor mother can never ask for peace since none of his sons have been martyrs.

Do you really think that you can hear the voice of mothers if they ask for peace?

17.       MrX67
2540 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 05:21 pm

Quoting boradiz:

The real problem here is that in general public many people objected since "Bülent" is not a mother. Technically she can never give birth to a baby.
"one of Turkey's most popular male singers and actors, Bülent Ersoy gained international notoriety in 1981 for a sex change operation by Dr. Mındıkoğlu in her native country" Wiki

So with this line of thinking, only "martyrs" can criticize military operations, or mothers who "sacrified" their sons can ask for peace.
My poor mother can never ask for peace since none of his sons have been martyrs.

Do you really think that you can hear the voice of mothers if they ask for peace?

Peace in country and peace on world our national password already,so i think noone of us against to peace or noone of us here wishing a war,just we don't have to mix apples and pears,war and fight with terrorism so different things,and i think everythings innocent if its aim defence...

18.       LCT
25 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 05:34 pm

You do seem to have a problem with peace.

Bülent Ersoy spoke out against war.

You say she has no right to do so.

Who gave you the right to tell anyone what they can and cannot say?

I feel sorry for those killed on both sides of this conflict.

If you don't then I think you ought to have a think about what you mean by peace.

19.       boradiz
121 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 05:35 pm

well even many turkish generals admitted that this is a war (asymetric , or low intensity war were of their use...)

For the "martyrs" and their mothers I think it does not make any difference btw, right?

But lets not spoil the topic.
Suppose that Bülent has a son.
Does she have the right not to send his son to combat?
or lets make the question different
Suppose that I believe that nobody can solve their differences with any act of violence.
If I object to make my military duty, will you let me ? or will I go to prison for treason?

20.       MrX67
2540 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 05:39 pm

then freedom to terrorism,long live chaos.....

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