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30.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 08:02 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting janissary:



yes she can talk whatever she likes. but wrong place and wrong time. her/his speech just gave more pain to mothers. nothing else. in my opinion she was trying to be more populer and she successed. but it s not a peaceful way. it would be very nice if she gave some messages about the unity of this country at that time.



İ do agree with you
But also i think ignoring her was the best way to reply on what she've said
Threatening to imprison her is what made her more popular.


I, 100% disagree with you both actually!!
What did she do in the end?
Just said those words!!.
So what?
what is wrong with what she said?

In the end, almost an entire generation (from 1978 to 2008) grew up with this rhetoric and the result is 40.000 dead people ..
No peace, no solution in the near future..

31.       janissary
0 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 11:00 pm

Quote:

Quote:


I, 100% disagree with you both actually!!
What did she do in the end?
Just said those words!!.
So what?
what is wrong with what she said?

In the end, almost an entire generation (from 1978 to 2008) grew up with this rhetoric and the result is 40.000 dead people ..
No peace, no solution in the near future..



Handsom, u are really far from some realities about turkey like most of turkish ppl, live in europe. I really sorrow to see turkish ppl who can think like that. do you think turkish ppl love to war??? u dont need to follow some turkish intellectuals who try to be different from most of turkish ppl. As I understood from ur posts and chats, u are such a person that looks like some politicians who talks about human rights, peace and compromise everytime but never condemn terrorist groups, and never does anything to serve, just talk as if it s enough to find food. if giving land or dividing turkey in 2 parts is a solution, why did millions of young ppl die for this land??? I can only advise u to do one thing from now on... just find the book "Nutuk" of Ataturk and read it, then answer my post if u want to.

32.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 11:44 pm

Quote:

Quote:

Quoting janissary:


I, 100% disagree with you both actually!!
What did she do in the end?
Just said those words!!.
So what?
what is wrong with what she said?

In the end, almost an entire generation (from 1978 to 2008) grew up with this rhetoric and the result is 40.000 dead people ..
No peace, no solution in the near future..



Handsom, u are really far from some realities about turkey like most of turkish ppl, live in europe. I really sorrow to see turkish ppl who can think like that. do you think turkish ppl love to war??? u dont need to follow some turkish intellectuals who try to be different from most of turkish ppl. As I understood from ur posts and chats, u are such a person that looks like some politicians who talks about human rights, peace and compromise everytime but never condemn terrorist groups, and never does anything to serve, just talk as if it s enough to find food. if giving land or dividing turkey in 2 parts is a solution, why did millions of young ppl die for this land??? I can only advise u to do one thing from now on... just find the book "Nutuk" of Ataturk and read it, then answer my post if u want to.


Janissary,
Listen..I am aware of the fact that when I say 'human rights, peace etc', they seem some abstract words to you; they are not, somehow, making concrete sense to you!!
But that is where went 'wrong' in the first place in Turkey!! That is the real mistake we have been doing so far..(btw, this is nothing to do for me being out of Turkey..These are my reformed/softened ideas as far as the politics in Turkey are concerned ..You trust me, my critisisims were much more severe when I was in Turkey. I would call all hardened nationilists with all sorts of names . Most polite names, I would use, were 'the puppets of USA, servants of CIA' etc.. So lets dont go into 'realities of Turkey/being abroad' thing, please!!

I am not talking about millions who died for that soil..I am talking about 40.000 people who died for a war which could have been easily prevented from the begining.
If, only if, we knew abit more what 'basic human rights' is.
I dont want to dig into the details about what we have done to the people in south east since 1980.
Nationalism BREEDS NATIONALISM.
If there is a kurdish nationlism NOW, it is the result of turkish nationalism..
Basically, the nationalism in Turkey is dividing IT, without knowing it.
How? because turkish nationlism is creating/feeding its opposite, which is kurdish nationalism, which itself is a danger too..
That is why we are unable to finish this problem..
That is why it is not going to finish with these incursions.
That is why we lost 40.000 people.(That is why we are still losing)
That is why there is PKK..

About 'NUTUK'..
Dont worry..Of course I have read it..But I will recommend you to read more books as well NUTUK..
Start from the books like 'Vahsetin Gunlugu-Diyarbakir zindanlarindan/Mehdi Zana'(which can be translated into english as 'dairy of brutality-from dungons of Diyarbakir/Mehdi zana)

33.       janissary
0 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 09:54 am

Our problem is not turkish nationalism. believe me we have same nationalism like other europen countries, maybe less. at first we must look at turks who live in greece, bulgaria and other europen countries these europen countries have more strict nationalism. aftfer this we must look at nationalism in turkey. I wish we had same nationalism like UK, Sweden, France... sometimes I wish to have a prime-minister from Israel or USA. then nobody would accuse us with being nationalist.

34.       adonis
0 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 04:54 am

Quote:

Quote:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting janissary:


I, 100% disagree with you both actually!!
What did she do in the end?
Just said those words!!.
So what?
what is wrong with what she said?

In the end, almost an entire generation (from 1978 to 2008) grew up with this rhetoric and the result is 40.000 dead people ..
No peace, no solution in the near future..



Handsom, u are really far from some realities about turkey like most of turkish ppl, live in europe. I really sorrow to see turkish ppl who can think like that. do you think turkish ppl love to war??? u dont need to follow some turkish intellectuals who try to be different from most of turkish ppl. As I understood from ur posts and chats, u are such a person that looks like some politicians who talks about human rights, peace and compromise everytime but never condemn terrorist groups, and never does anything to serve, just talk as if it s enough to find food. if giving land or dividing turkey in 2 parts is a solution, why did millions of young ppl die for this land??? I can only advise u to do one thing from now on... just find the book "Nutuk" of Ataturk and read it, then answer my post if u want to.


Janissary,
Listen..I am aware of the fact that when I say 'human rights, peace etc', they seem some abstract words to you; they are not, somehow, making concrete sense to you!!
But that is where went 'wrong' in the first place in Turkey!! That is the real mistake we have been doing so far..(btw, this is nothing to do for me being out of Turkey..These are my reformed/softened ideas as far as the politics in Turkey are concerned ..You trust me, my critisisims were much more severe when I was in Turkey. I would call all hardened nationilists with all sorts of names . Most polite names, I would use, were 'the puppets of USA, servants of CIA' etc.. So lets dont go into 'realities of Turkey/being abroad' thing, please!!

I am not talking about millions who died for that soil..I am talking about 40.000 people who died for a war which could have been easily prevented from the begining.
If, only if, we knew abit more what 'basic human rights' is.
I dont want to dig into the details about what we have done to the people in south east since 1980.
Nationalism BREEDS NATIONALISM.
If there is a kurdish nationlism NOW, it is the result of turkish nationalism..
Basically, the nationalism in Turkey is dividing IT, without knowing it.
How? because turkish nationlism is creating/feeding its opposite, which is kurdish nationalism, which itself is a danger too..
That is why we are unable to finish this problem..
That is why it is not going to finish with these incursions.
That is why we lost 40.000 people.(That is why we are still losing)
That is why there is PKK..

About 'NUTUK'..
Dont worry..Of course I have read it..But I will recommend you to read more books as well NUTUK..
Start from the books like 'Vahsetin Gunlugu-Diyarbakir zindanlarindan/Mehdi Zana'(which can be translated into english as 'dairy of brutality-from dungons of Diyarbakir/Mehdi zana)



wow! have you got an ability of thinking, handsom? always giving same arguments: nationalism breeds nationalism, nationalism causes pkk, expressions from a neo-liboş bla bla bla...

just like telgrafın telleri...

don't u still know that nationalism is not a creditable reason for these problem?

Turkey has been struggling economic crisis for approximately 30 years and Turkish economy hasn't gained stability yet. Owing to these economic difficulties in Turkey, especially in eastern region, pkk emerged from there as soon as possible.

the first cause for pkk is economy as you see.

the second one is "not protecting the structure of national sovereign state" and so regardless the ethnicity of an individual, he/she has lost to pertain to Turkey, because of the imperialist attacks to Turkey and the silly-comprador governments and politicians...

now, you are still lamenting freedom, wild nationalism, human rights etc.. just like a Dtp parliament.

wow! it's very easy to dogmatize from Soho/London with 24 C temperature room and a warm bed. look at the neo-liberal... haha you are very funny buddy...

and you are advising a book which is written by a terrorist so-called Mehdi Zana (husband of Leyla Zana).

handsom, before advising that book, please explain this picture as soon as possible. What do u see in this picture?

[IMG]http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5923/apoahmetturkvg6.jpg[/IMG]


Right to Left: Celal Talabani, Abdullah Öcalan (Apo), Mehdi Zana and Ahmet Türk.

We want to see the ignorant and epicurean guys just like you in the region of North Iraq and eastern region of Turkey.

35.       catwoman
8933 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 04:59 am

Quoting janissary:

Our problem is not turkish nationalism. believe me we have same nationalism like other europen countries, maybe less.


OMG, I can't believe this!!!! lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

36.       catwoman
8933 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 05:01 am

Quoting thehandsom:

I dont want to dig into the details about what we have done to the people in south east since 1980.
Nationalism BREEDS NATIONALISM.
If there is a kurdish nationlism NOW, it is the result of turkish nationalism..
Basically, the nationalism in Turkey is dividing IT, without knowing it.
How? because turkish nationlism is creating/feeding its opposite, which is kurdish nationalism, which itself is a danger too..
That is why we are unable to finish this problem..
That is why it is not going to finish with these incursions.
That is why we lost 40.000 people.(That is why we are still losing)
That is why there is PKK..


+100000000000000000000000000000

37.       adonis
0 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 05:09 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting thehandsom:

I dont want to dig into the details about what we have done to the people in south east since 1980.
Nationalism BREEDS NATIONALISM.
If there is a kurdish nationlism NOW, it is the result of turkish nationalism..
Basically, the nationalism in Turkey is dividing IT, without knowing it.
How? because turkish nationlism is creating/feeding its opposite, which is kurdish nationalism, which itself is a danger too..
That is why we are unable to finish this problem..
That is why it is not going to finish with these incursions.
That is why we lost 40.000 people.(That is why we are still losing)
That is why there is PKK..


+100000000000000000000000000000



we want to see you in Northern Iraq region cat.. it's very easy to give flowers and giving numbers from a warm room...

38.       catwoman
8933 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 05:19 am

Quoting adonis:

we want to see you in Northern Iraq region cat.. it's very easy to give flowers and giving numbers from a warm room...


only stupid people have to fight for peace, smart people can achieve it without bloodshed.

39.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 11:41 am

Quoting adonis:


Turkey has been struggling economic crisis for approximately 30 years and Turkish economy hasn't gained stability yet. Owing to these economic difficulties in Turkey, especially in eastern region, pkk emerged from there as soon as possible.

the first cause for pkk is economy as you see.

the second one is "not protecting the structure of national sovereign state" and so regardless the ethnicity of an individual, he/she has lost to pertain to Turkey, because of the imperialist attacks to Turkey and the silly-comprador governments and politicians...


I am not sure you have adequate knowledge about 'who Turks are, who kurds are and what the problem is'.
Tying the whole problem into last 30 years economy is the proof of that..
anyway..
Somehow, when I try to explain something to you, I am having this feeling that I am wasting my time. Because, you will NOT get it..
Sorry but:
You are not that deep.
And, I am not that cheap.

40.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 11:49 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting janissary:

Our problem is not turkish nationalism. believe me we have same nationalism like other europen countries, maybe less.


OMG, I can't believe this!!!! lol lol lol lol lol lol lol



There's nothing to laugh about, I'm sure some nations can be compared. Let's have a look - we love our country, our country is the best, nobody can criticize our country (even its inhabitants) or will be banished/imprisoned, all government decisions must be obeyed, if we're on war nobody can be against it...hmm...no..sorry, I was wrong. It can't be compared

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