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The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 08:14 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Handsom, do you really have such a low opinion of women that you underestimate Canli? You didn't think she would do her research and answer your shallow attempts at criticism?
tut tut |
this is how any attempt of trying to converse with peace train end! even Canli is more civilized in a discussion (I say "even" because I know that she's a devout muslim).
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 08:29 pm |
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handsom,i've already did answre the multiple wifes, women-men equality questions,read my privous posts,seems you actually didnt read any but still questioning me 
İ dont want anyone's head to be chopped too handsom,but the people who will have their heads chopped are the people who are facing death penalty in our laws...
Mine,yours,and West's also...!
İf you understand the meaning of the verses you would understand this as well !
AGAİN,when ALLAH refers to enemies of ALLAH and Rasul,HE actually didnt mean it as enemy in a religous way
İn that time,there was no country ALLAH can refer to it to be consider as Muslims country,or arabic country...
There was tripes,so stating the enemy of ALLAH and Rasul was refering to the enemies of the growing nation..
So,actually whether you like it or not,there are people dying and their head been chopped for betraying their nations!
İn İslam,or in others !
İ dont actually care if Christianity is expanding more than islam, ''You have your believes and i have mine''
As for your daughter,well actually i dont know handsom,seems to me you dont find anything good about İslam,so....i dont know what would you tell her !
Note to your note :
Yes,i believe it is making great difference
Another note :
Do you believe there is zarqavi in İraq ?! 
And...i didnt get you....do you now supposing im supporting him 'if there is one' a terrorist you mean because what i believe about İslam ?!!!!
Meaning ....... ?????!!!!!!!!
Yes,i really wonder what would you tell your daughter ?!
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 08:43 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: Handsom, do you really have such a low opinion of women that you underestimate Canli? You didn't think she would do her research and answer your shallow attempts at criticism?
tut tut |
this is how any attempt of trying to converse with peace train end! even Canli is more civilized in a discussion (I say "even" because I know that she's a devout muslim). |
Ha ha ha Catwoman you may judge me however you wish, if it helps you. Your judgement about me does not affect my life or my faith. You are simply another member of this website who has an opinion they are entitled to.
I am pleased to see that you acknowledge there are devout Muslim's who visit this site. "devout" makes a nice change from the usual vocabulary. Perhaps it will set a more positive trend.
Well done ! There's hope for you yet.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 08:47 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting catwoman:
I love this guy - Ed Husain!  I wish all muslims were like him  |
is it acceptable to ask if all blacks could be like Bill Cosby? |
Keith, I said that I wish all muslims gave up the primitive and hateful beliefs that so many of them have (regarding the role of women, attitudes toward apostates and non-muslims... etc). Why are you twisting my words? Don't you know what I meant?
Yes, it's absolutely acceptable, in fact, it's necessary to ask them all to be taht way. 500 years ago christianity also used to be intolerant and primitive, but somehow, it did reform itself. The same is necessary for islam, if they are ever to become a tolerant, open minded religion.
And yes, I know that not all muslims are intolerant. But most of the 1.2 billion are.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 08:50 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: Handsom, do you really have such a low opinion of women that you underestimate Canli? You didn't think she would do her research and answer your shallow attempts at criticism?
tut tut |
this is how any attempt of trying to converse with peace train end! even Canli is more civilized in a discussion (I say "even" because I know that she's a devout muslim). |
Ha ha ha Catwoman you may judge me however you wish, if it helps you. Your judgement about me does not affect my life or my faith. You are simply another member of this website who has an opinion they are entitled to.
I am pleased to see that you acknowledge there are devout Muslim's who visit this site. "devout" makes a nice change from the usual vocabulary. Perhaps it will set a more positive trend.
Well done ! There's hope for you yet. |
why don't you write a poem about it dear? would it relieve your anxiety better?
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 08:52 pm |
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Well
Canli, it is really nice arguing with you in a civilized fashion. I really appreciate that.
Well the answers you have given were kind of rounded answers.
I was asking, clearly, why it was only man not women mentioned about having multiple partners.
You just said 'Determining the father would be difficult'.well..it is a question, clearly, can find answers easily in these days..So it is not a credible answer to me..
I was asking that question clearly from women-men-equality point of view.
Why it is men? not women?
Allah did not create us equal?
About the inheritance, your answer was not clear either..
Man having more responsiblities, looking after others etc , as you know, is a bit of a past in these days.(and many reason for that of course: Increased population, families dont live together etc.).
So that answer, seems to me, passed its time too..
About christianity and islam, do not worry..I am clearly NOT a christian..I never was, I will never be..
I was just stating the figures, I saw, several months ago.
I am DEFINITELEY not going to tell my daughter what you agreed..
And about zarqavi..
ok..lets forget that question. I should not have asked .
But, surely, what he was doing was in line with qu'ran..
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 08:54 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: I know that she's a devout muslim). |
Actually,i dont understand what you mean by devout muslim.
İf i am to describe myself,then im just Muslim,i try to live my day,doing things which makes me one..
No more or less.
İ dont read about İslam except in things that i need to live my life as Muslim,i dont study it...
İ have my wrongs and rights as anyone else...just i know if they are wrongs.
İ guess this is same with Christians too,no ?!
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:04 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: Quoting catwoman:
I love this guy - Ed Husain! I wish all muslims were like him |
is it acceptable to ask if all blacks could be like Bill Cosby? |
Why are you twisting my words?
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I don't think he was twisting your words. He was stating his opinion of your remark.
But you are right, we do tend to twist words here. |
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:09 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: Handsom, do you really have such a low opinion of women that you underestimate Canli? You didn't think she would do her research and answer your shallow attempts at criticism?
tut tut |
this is how any attempt of trying to converse with peace train end! even Canli is more civilized in a discussion (I say "even" because I know that she's a devout muslim). |
Ha ha ha Catwoman you may judge me however you wish, if it helps you. Your judgement about me does not affect my life or my faith. You are simply another member of this website who has an opinion they are entitled to.
I am pleased to see that you acknowledge there are devout Muslim's who visit this site. "devout" makes a nice change from the usual vocabulary. Perhaps it will set a more positive trend.
Well done ! There's hope for you yet. |
why don't you write a poem about it dear? would it relieve your anxiety better? |
As a student doctor I would have thought you would understand what anxiety is.
Seems you changed your opinion about my poem . . . now that makes me really anxious.. .
It's recess here, I'm off out to play now. 
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:12 pm |
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I just think that Islam is way too vague. It is never clear abotu what it means. It always (like the handchopping) has some conditions, that make it easy for a judge to chop or not to chop, however he likes or was brought up. Or to have multiple wives, according to that sura you can only take more than one wife if you can guarantee you wont love one more than another. Since this is impossible for any person, you cannot marry more than one woman. If you cannot marry more than one woman, why not just write 'not allowed to marry multiple women', or not say anything about multiple wives at all?
Also, when I was reading Quran (sorry guys I cant provide the exact sura right now), first it was forbidding several things like wine and pork, and suddenly it said that 'you can take all from the world that seems good to you'. So if wine seems good to you, you can just take it?
I just find it a hard religion! I understand muslims who were born muslims, but I have a hard time understand people who converted. How can they be so sure that their interpretation is what Allah meant?
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:22 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: Quoting catwoman:
I love this guy - Ed Husain! I wish all muslims were like him |
is it acceptable to ask if all blacks could be like Bill Cosby? |
And yes, I know that not all muslims are intolerant. But most of the 1.2 billion are. |
Are you saying most of the 1.2b Muslims (half being female) are intolerant? Intolerant of what? Continually having words twisted. Yes that's deliberately argumentative, it goes on a lot here.
Or are you saying the governments that oppress them are intolerant? The governments/leaders don't equate to most of 1.2b.
I'm genuinely unsure of the figures and how you determine intolerance.
Please help me out.
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