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Muhammad Yunus: Muslim man working for, amongst other things, WOMEN\\\
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1.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 06:31 pm

Well folks! You can't get much more high profile than this. I wonder why he hasn't been mentioned or quoted so much before. I have mentioned him before but for some reason people didn't seem so enthusiastic about praising him. Funny that . . . oh well, here's a lot more information.

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http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2006/yunus-bio.html
excerpts:
From Dr. Yunus' personal loan of small amounts of money to destitute basketweavers in Bangladesh in the mid-70s, the Grameen Bank has advanced to the forefront of a burgeoning world movement toward eradicating poverty through microlending. Replicas of the Grameen Bank model operate in more than 100 countries worldwide.
. . .
From 1993 to 1995, Professor Yunus was a member of the International Advisory Group for the Fourth World Conference on Women, a post to which he was appointed by the UN secretary general. He has served on the Global Commission of Women's Health, the Advisory Council for Sustainable Economic Development and the UN Expert Group on Women and Finance.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2006/yunus-lecture-en.html
excerpts:
Nine elected representatives of the 7 million borrowers-cum-owners of Grameen Bank have accompanied me all the way to Oslo to receive the prize. I express thanks on their behalf to the Norwegian Nobel Committee for choosing Grameen Bank for this year's Nobel Peace Prize. By giving their institution the most prestigious prize in the world, you give them unparalleled honour. Thanks to your prize, nine proud women from the villages of Bangladesh are at the ceremony today as Nobel laureates, giving an altogether new meaning to the Nobel Peace Prize.
. . .
This years' prize gives highest honour and dignity to the hundreds of millions of women all around the world who struggle every day to make a living and bring hope for a better life for their children. This is a historic moment for them.
. . .
Peace should be understood in a human way − in a broad social, political and economic way. Peace is threatened by unjust economic, social and political order, absence of democracy, environmental degradation and absence of human rights.
http://www.muhammadyunus.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Yunus#Political_activity

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2006/yunus-interview.html 15 minute video
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2006/yunus-docu.html 10 minute film

2.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 07:27 pm

From what i know about it at the time,his Bank idea wasnt highly appreciated from other banks or bankers as well,for very obvious reasons.

3.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Mar 2008 Sun 12:57 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6047234.stm

excerpt:

"His revolutionary Grameen (Village) banking system is estimated to have extended credit to more than seven million of the world's poor, most of them in Bangladesh, one of the poorest nations in the world.

The vast majority of the beneficiaries are women."

In one of the other links I gave it mentioned over 90% of the loans are given to women, because the women are more likely to spend the money on their families.

excerpt:

" Last Updated: Friday, 13 October 2006, 14:13 GMT 15:13 UK

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Profile: 'World banker to the poor'

Muhammad Yunus was "really delighted" by the award
Muhammad Yunus is often referred to as "the world's banker to the poor". His life's work has been to prove that the poor are credit-worthy.
His revolutionary Grameen (Village) banking system is estimated to have extended credit to more than seven million of the world's poor, most of them in Bangladesh, one of the poorest nations in the world.

The vast majority of the beneficiaries are women.

Mr Yunus came up with the idea in 1976 while professor of economics at Chittagong University in southern Bangladesh.

The first loans he issued had a value of $27 (£14.5. Their recipients were 42 women from the village of Jobra, near the university.

The women had relied until then on local money-lenders who charged high interest rates. The conventional banking system had been reluctant to give credit to those who were too poor to provide any form of guarantee.


The success of Mr Yunus' scheme exceeded all expectations and has been copied in developing countries around the world.


His "micro-finance" initiative reaches out to people shunned by conventional banking systems - people so poor they have no collateral to guarantee a loan, should they be unable to repay it.


Mr Yunus' has tried to tranform the vicious circle of "low-income, low saving and low investment" into a virtuous circle of "low income, injection of credit, investment, more income, more savings, more investment, more income".

As a result, even beggars have been able to borrow money under his scheme.

Legacy of change


The BBC's Roland Buerk in Dhaka says that Mr Yunus lives a simple life. The Grameen Bank is now majority owned by the rural poor it serves, with a 10% stake held by the Bangladeshi government.


Even beggars can get Grameen loans

Our correspondent says that Mr Yunus has already created a legacy of real social change in Bangladesh.




His work has been widely recognised. In 1999 he was awarded the Indira Gandhi prize for peace, disarmament and development in India.


And it is not just in the developing world that he has had an impact.

Hillary Clinton, wife of former US President Bill Clinton, said in 2000 that Mr Yunus had helped the Clintons introduce micro-credit schemes to some of the poorest communities in Arkansas.


In 2002 a report in the Wall Street Journal said the bank was running into trouble because of increased competition and a fall in the bank's loan repayment rate.

Mr Yunus responded by telling the BBC that the bank was in its "strongest position ever".


"Micro-credit is something which is not going to disappear... because this is a need of the people," he said.

"Whatever name you give it, you have to have those financial facilities coming to them because it is totally unfair... to deny half the population of the world financial services."

Now Mr Yunus hopes that the Nobel peace prize will provide a huge boost to Grameen.

"It's recognition of our movement to ensure the rights of the poor," he told the BBC's Bengali service.

"With this recognition, we expect that the model we have developed will spread across the world." "


This scheme allows the poor to make a life for themselves without having to rely on charity. A great boost for their self esteem and self worth.

99% of loans, given without collaterall, are repaid.



4.       adonis
0 posts
 09 Mar 2008 Sun 02:16 am

I want to congratulate Muhammad Yunus for his valuable works about women. good stuff...

He's fully deserved that price..

5.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 09 Mar 2008 Sun 03:51 am

A Banker for the Poor

Seeking to understand the reality of the economics of the daily life of the poor, he set out to learn from the nearby villagers. Eventually, out of his own pocket, he loaned the equivalent of $27 to 42 women so that they could buy materials to make and sell stools. These tiny loans helped them break the devastating cycle of poverty and demonstrated to Yunus the power of “micro-credit” and self-employment in helping poor people generate income. Recognizing that the existing banking system was designed to “keep poor people out” and, in his world, “reject women,” Yunus had taken his first concrete step towards becoming the “Banker to the Poor.” He soon established the Grameen Bank, a revolutionary financial institution that extends small loans for income generation to the poor. Grameen does not rely on collateral, long-term loans, lump-sum repayments, and legal agreements, but rather on peer lending groups, one-year loans, weekly installments, and trust and faith in the human potential.

Yunus ended his presentation with a challenge: "How easy it is for us to underestimate people and their resolve. If you could get over that and believe in the potential of human beings, and design everything with that as the basis, we would have a world without any poor people and poverty truly would be in the poverty museum, no where else in the world."














6.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Mar 2008 Sun 07:27 pm

Well I thought I would experiment with this thread and what I thought would happen did.


Start a thread which gives certain members what they have been demanding . . . a positive image of a Muslim. Actually a Muslim man who makes it his business to help women in poverty. A Muslim dedicated to world peace amongst other things. A Muslim who, by invitation has became a member of a select group of elder thinkers that includes Nelson Mandella.

So where are these members? Nothing positive to say about this man? What a shame. I guess there wasn't a genuine interest then.

7.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 09 Mar 2008 Sun 07:50 pm

Quoting peace train:

Well I thought I would experiment with this thread and what I thought would happen did.


Start a thread which gives certain members what they have been demanding . . . a positive image of a Muslim. Actually a Muslim man who makes it his business to help women in poverty. A Muslim dedicated to world peace amongst other things. A Muslim who, by invitation has became a member of a select group of elder thinkers that includes Nelson Mandella.

So where are these members? Nothing positive to say about this man? What a shame. I guess there wasn't a genuine interest then.


All you have done is proven that you are here trying to provoke people. It must be draining always trying to have the last word and trying to prove yourself.

8.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Mar 2008 Sun 08:07 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting peace train:

Well I thought I would experiment with this thread and what I thought would happen did.


Start a thread which gives certain members what they have been demanding . . . a positive image of a Muslim. Actually a Muslim man who makes it his business to help women in poverty. A Muslim dedicated to world peace amongst other things. A Muslim who, by invitation has became a member of a select group of elder thinkers that includes Nelson Mandella.

So where are these members? Nothing positive to say about this man? What a shame. I guess there wasn't a genuine interest then.


All you have done is proven that you are here trying to provoke people. It must be draining always trying to have the last word and trying to prove yourself.



Of course my last post was to provoke people and I make no apology for it.

However the thread was not a provocation. If you bother to read the information I have posted you will see that there is absolutely nothing that would provoke anyone to cause trouble.

The "experiment", mentioned in my last post was an experiment to prove to myself that people who lament the lack of prominent positive Muslim figures aren't actually that interested. They just want to use it in heated discussions. I gave it a good 24 hours so that most people who visit regularly would see it.

GG you were only driven to post on this thread by the smell of provocation, it's rife on this site. You didn't even give an opinion on Muhammad Yunus in your response to me. On the other hand if I had started a post about a Muslim mad axe murderer there would have been a deluge of posts from certain members. Catwoman mentioned Ed Hussain on another thread and not many commented about him either. It's such a shame.

You are right, it is draining feeling one has to constantly defend onself against some of the vitriol that is spouted about Islam on many threads. I have even had pms with similar content.

I really don't expect you to agree with me GG but it's my opinion.

9.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 01:29 am

Quoting peace train:


GG you were only driven to post on this thread by the smell of provocation, it's rife on this site. You didn't even give an opinion on Muhammad Yunus in your response to me.


Good lord where do you find the time to post such lengthy responses????
I know you like to lump all the women here that you have such contempt for as having one mind....but I never comment on Islam or Christianity or Buddishim or Taoism or Hinduism or any other religion you can think of. A fact I am quite sure you haven't bothered to notice.

10.       geniuda
1070 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 03:28 am

Quoting peace train:

So where are these members? Nothing positive to say about this man? What a shame. I guess there wasn't a genuine interest then.


I agree with you, that is a shame :-S Where are they? Maybe they are sleeping at this time..
ohh no wait.. I see a couple of them logged in

11.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 03:46 am

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting peace train:


GG you were only driven to post on this thread by the smell of provocation, it's rife on this site. You didn't even give an opinion on Muhammad Yunus in your response to me.


Good lord where do you find the time to post such lengthy responses????
I know you like to lump all the women here that you have such contempt for as having one mind....but I never comment on Islam or Christianity or Buddishim or Taoism or Hinduism or any other religion you can think of. A fact I am quite sure you haven't bothered to notice.



I have noticed that you don't comment about religion and if you read my post again you will understand that I have worded it carefully and not "lumped" you with the others.

However, you do get driven to post by the smell of provocation. What I mean is, you sniff out when someone is having a dig at one of your friends or arguing with them. You then jump in, as is you right. I have no problem with it I'm merely making an observation on your style of activity.

However, don't delude yourself that I cause every argument. It is not one way traffic GG and these antics were going on long before I began to enter discussions. And as I said before people have even pm d me to voice their opinions.

Arguing with someone and critisizing their view does not mean I view them automatically with contempt. If they are being rude, agressive or vitriolic then I may feel some contempt. I have no doubt if someone thinks I have been rude, agressive or vitriolic, then they will feel such contempt towards me. This is their right. Such is the nature of what happens here from time to time.

I know I write long posts and I'm sorry if that doesn't suit you. It's my style and you have 2 choices dear, ignore or endure, because I am not about to change.

Thanks for your time.

12.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:05 am

Quoting peace train:


I have noticed that you don't comment about religion and if you read my post again you will understand that I have worded it carefully and not 'lumped' you with the others.



Then why this comment?

Quoting peace train:


You didn't even give an opinion on Muhammad Yunus in your response to me.



And isn't it interesting to see that geniuda also gave no opinion on Yunus but you said nothing to her.

Quoting peace train:


However, you do get driven to post by the smell of provocation. What I mean is, you sniff out when someone is having a dig at one of your friends or arguing with them. You then jump in, as is you right. I have no problem with it I'm merely making an observation on your style of activity.


As do you deary.

Quoting peace train:


However, don't delude yourself that I cause every argument. It is not one way traffic GG and these antics were going on long before I began to enter discussions. And as I said before people have even pm d me to voice their opinions.


Never said ya did, did I. However you are the one I do see commenting most frequently about how things should change here…..I can only conclude by your actions that you do not mean what you say but only make those comments to try to make yourself look good.

Maybe, just maybe, those who you were targeting with your little game here didn’t post because they are not inclined to give you much notice anymore.



13.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:11 am

You stated your post was started as an experiment ……

Quoting peace train:


Well I thought I would experiment with this thread and what I thought would happen did.



If you admit you started it as an experiment….how can you say that you weren’t provoking?

Quit talking in circles and playing games.

14.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:36 am

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting peace train:


I have noticed that you don't comment about religion and if you read my post again you will understand that I have worded it carefully and not 'lumped' you with the others.



Then why this comment?

because you visited the thread.

Quoting peace train:


You didn't even give an opinion on Muhammad Yunus in your response to me.



And isn't it interesting to see that geniuda also gave no opinion on Yunus but you said nothing to her.

I have been having fun. I didn't see geniuda's comment until you pointed it out to me. Naughty genuida, you never made a comment about Muhammad Yunus. But thank you geniuda for entering into the spirit of things, much appreciated .

Quoting peace train:



However, you do get driven to post by the smell of provocation. What I mean is, you sniff out when someone is having a dig at one of your friends or arguing with them. You then jump in, as is you right. I have no problem with it I'm merely making an observation on your style of activity.



As do you deary.

No problem with that either. If you can't beat 'em , join 'em .

Quoting peace train:


However, don't delude yourself that I cause every argument. It is not one way traffic GG and these antics were going on long before I began to enter discussions. And as I said before people have even pm d me to voice their opinions.



Never said ya did, did I. However you are the one I do see commenting most frequently about how things should change here…..I can only conclude by your actions that you do not mean what you say but only make those comments to try to make yourself look good.

Yes I mean what I say but I won't back away from a comment. Seems all my attempts to make myself "look good" have come to naught because people "are not inclined to give me much notice anymore." Let's hope it's a permanent thing .. .eh gg ?

Maybe, just maybe, those who you were targeting with your little game here didn’t post because they are not inclined to give you much notice anymore.

No problem. No game. Don't you want to join them?





You'll be pleased to know those were my final words in this conversation.

btw Try as I might I could not make my words bold or italicised. So you will have to make do with the faces.

15.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 06:31 am

Quoting peace train:


No problem with that either. If you can't beat 'em , join 'em .


What a sad attitude for a teacher. If the children on the play ground are ganging up on another child do you join in because it seems to be the thing to do?
Hard to teach children to turn the other cheek when you can't display the behavior yourself isn't it?

Quoting peace train:

No problem. No game. Don't you want to join them?


Oh I'm not a follower, unlike you...ya know...with your 'can't beat em' motto....
You make yourself such an easy target with your circle talk and hypocrisy.

Quoting peace train:


btw Try as I might I could not make my words bold or italicised. So you will have to make do with the faces.



You seem to take so much pride in not being able to do these kinds of things. Someone like you who likes to play so smart? Strange.

16.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 01:18 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting peace train:


No problem with that either. If you can't beat 'em , join 'em .


What a sad attitude for a teacher. If the children on the play ground are ganging up on another child do you join in because it seems to be the thing to do?
Hard to teach children to turn the other cheek when you can't display the behavior yourself isn't it?
You missed my point. I used the phrase in a different context to the example you give here.

Quoting peace train:

No problem. No game. Don't you want to join them?


Oh I'm not a follower, unlike you...ya know...with your 'can't beat em' motto....
You make yourself such an easy target with your circle talk and hypocrisy.
Seems my circle talk made you dizzy . . . now your making me dizzy . Hmmm let me get this straight now. . . you think I'm in the CGG and you're the Gang of One?

Quoting peace train:


btw Try as I might I could not make my words bold or italicised. So you will have to make do with the faces.



You seem to take so much pride in not being able to do these kinds of things. Someone like you who likes to play so smart? Strange.
Not pride . . . JOY! I like to laugh at myself sometimes. Smart? . . .please . . . no compliments, it's not in the CGG Mission Statement.



Thank you for joining the thread and striking up this exchange, the pleasure has been all mine. I know I said I had finished in my last post but, well:

My heart it doth become heavy
At the mere thought of loneliness
In the windows of silence
My tongue throbs with anticipation
Words run rampant through my veins
Making me a prisoner in my own kingdom
Who will release me from my silent soliloquy?
When will my Prince Alarming kiss my fevered lips?
Oh how he mocketh me with his absence
He dallies with others and leaves me wanting . . .

copyright Peace Train, March 2008
(because I think I'm so important )

English to Turkish anyone?


17.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 01:20 pm

So, PT, you do agree that there are bad things about Muslims? How come you never, or hardly ever, comment on them? I think it's great that there are good Muslims - but I have said that in so many posts that I simply found it pointless to repeat myself. Still, I don't quite follow what does the fact that there are good Muslim people have to do with what some members criticise about Islam?

An official statement:

There are Good Muslims and Bad Muslims. There are Good Christians and Bad Christians. There are Good Atheists and Bad Atheists. Being a good or a bad person doesn't depend on your sex, age, religion or nationality.

Have you seriously thought that we perceive Islam as the religion of bad people? No. We don't. I have repeatedly said I have Muslim friends of both sexes and they are no worse or better than non-Muslim ones. We believe this religion justifies lower status of a woman more than any other religion (yes, all religions tend to be patriarchal because men invented them, but Islam-dominant countries seem to have less regard for women rights than secular ones).

18.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 02:26 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

So, PT, you do agree that there are bad things about Muslims? How come you never, or hardly ever, comment on them? I think it's great that there are good Muslims - but I have said that in so many posts that I simply found it pointless to repeat myself. Still, I don't quite follow what does the fact that there are good Muslim people have to do with what some members criticise about Islam?

An official statement:

There are Good Muslims and Bad Muslims. There are Good Christians and Bad Christians. There are Good Atheists and Bad Atheists. Being a good or a bad person doesn't depend on your sex, age, religion or nationality.

Have you seriously thought that we perceive Islam as the religion of bad people? No. We don't. I have repeatedly said I have Muslim friends of both sexes and they are no worse or better than non-Muslim ones. We believe this religion justifies lower status of a woman more than any other religion (yes, all religions tend to be patriarchal because men invented them, but Islam-dominant countries seem to have less regard for women rights than secular ones).



Daydreamer

I have usually respected your views because you put your points across without venom. Often it is not what people say but the way they say it. I have expressed my anti terrorist and anti oppression views more than once. How often do I personally have to tell the same people my view on this? Do they have cotton wool in their ears? Was my use of lanuage too sophisticated for them? I think not.

Also, I will not entertain a discussion with people who use words such as "asshole" ,"rabid" "dick", "ignorant" (I used this word a couple of times to FF and AE simply to show how easy it is to speak base language), "backward", "primitive", plus the words FF used when speaking to a member from Mexico, because that language negates their credibility and I would be wasting my breath.

As a teacher, you know the power of language and the destruction it can cause. The above language is not civilised language and yet some of the speakers have been demanding civilised discussion in recent days.

I am not Snow White, I know my faults, we all make mistakes, we all scream of double standards.

I started the thread because these same people constantly bemoaned the lack of good Muslim role models Daydreamer. I was giving them an example of what they wanted and it was not a retort of any kind. A simple "thank you for the information" would have been enough for me to know they had a genuine interest.

I have never commented on anyone's faith here, because it's not for me to do this; it is a personal matter for the individual.

I absolutely agree that there are good and bad examples of the different faiths and those who don't follow a religion - I have never said otherwise. I have never evangelised my faith here or anywhere. I absolutely repect the other faiths and would never mock or challenge them. I have never ridiculed someone's faith or atheism, unlike others.

I have agreed with the comments about terrorism and oppression of women. I am a woman, I cannot fail to miss that I live in a patriarchal society. From comments made, I get the feeling some one here thinks I may have married into Islam. Actually no, I am a "strong. independent, successful and intelligent" woman with a mind of her own.

Thanks for your contribution Daydreamer, your views are always welcome.

You will now be in GG's bad books for encouraging me to speak

19.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 03:03 pm

Like I've said before, I like reading your posts too although I don't necessarily agree with you. You're absolutely right that this forum could do with more courtesy. Not calling names does not make one boring but polite, contrary to what some people think.

The names you mention - FF and AE are long gone. Nobody here but adonis uses such a vulgar language as FF did. I expressed my discontent with FF's style many times. However, but for the style, everything she said is quite logical and I share her point of view.

I believe the reason why some members attacked you in this thread was this post:

Quote:

So where are these members? Nothing positive to say about this man? What a shame. I guess there wasn't a genuine interest then.



Has it occurred to you that you attacked other TC users for not posting just 2 hours after starting the thread? Even if some members who usually criticise Islam were online, they might have been busy reading other threads, they might have missed your post, might have not read your post because of the author (yes, it does happen) or might have seen no point in replies consisting of two words, e.g. "good job". I do think it's unfair of you to attack others for not replying to your thread. That's all I wanted to say, I didn't mean to insult you or your religion.

Oh, and I fear nobody so no problem about GG

20.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 03:12 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:



Has it occurred to you that you attacked other TC users for not posting just 2 hours after starting the thread?



OOps..now who cannot tell a.m. from p.m.?

My mistake, sorry, I've noticed you posted the other one at 1.30 p.m not a.m so that makes it 14 hours (My students should be happy I don't teach maths or geography). The other reasons are still valid, though.

Regards,
shameful DDR

21.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 03:30 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting Daydreamer:



Has it occurred to you that you attacked other TC users for not posting just 2 hours after starting the thread?



OOps..now who cannot tell a.m. from p.m.?

My mistake, sorry, I've noticed you posted the other one at 1.30 p.m not a.m so that makes it 14 hours (My students should be happy I don't teach maths or geography). The other reasons are still valid, though.

Regards,
shameful DDR



I've sent you a pm about this post. I hope you don't teach Quantam Physics either

22.       teaschip
3870 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 04:07 pm

Quoting adonis:

I want to congratulate Muhammad Yunus for his valuable works about women. good stuff...

He's fully deserved that price..



Not to take anything away from Mr. Yunus, I don't have any respect for the Nobel Prize Committee. Gandhi was nominated five times and never received it. Also, worth mentioning the Grameen Bank does receive a profit off of money that is loaned. I don't believe micro-finance is necessarily going to increase the supply-side of the equation in the short term. Not only is not all the money invested recovered, at least some of the money ends up merely supporting consumption. This is not a traditional "let us provide money so people will invest in businesses and we will get it all back" sort of deal.

But I also believe that different places call for different solutions. For its locale, considering for the third year in a row, Bangladesh is THE most corrupt nation on Earth, according to Transparency International. Its remarkable that in such a corrupt society Mohammad Yunus is able to stay clean. I applaud him.

23.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 04:12 pm

Quoting peace train:


I've sent you a pm about this post. I hope you don't teach Quantam Physics either



lol You're absolutely right, 9th it is. No excuse for this one! I'm still laughing my head off at my profound knowledge of numbers. And no, it's not Physics of any kind, Peace Train I don't even have to tell you why lol

24.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 06:27 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting peace train:


I've sent you a pm about this post. I hope you don't teach Quantam Physics either



lol You're absolutely right, 9th it is. No excuse for this one! I'm still laughing my head off at my profound knowledge of numbers. And no, it's not Physics of any kind, Peace Train I don't even have to tell you why lol



Say n'more DDR , say n'more

25.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 10 Mar 2008 Mon 06:28 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting adonis:

I want to congratulate Muhammad Yunus for his valuable works about women. good stuff...

He's fully deserved that price..



Not to take anything away from Mr. Yunus, I don't have any respect for the Nobel Prize Committee. Gandhi was nominated five times and never received it. Also, worth mentioning the Grameen Bank does receive a profit off of money that is loaned. I don't believe micro-finance is necessarily going to increase the supply-side of the equation in the short term. Not only is not all the money invested recovered, at least some of the money ends up merely supporting consumption. This is not a traditional "let us provide money so people will invest in businesses and we will get it all back" sort of deal.

But I also believe that different places call for different solutions. For its locale, considering for the third year in a row, Bangladesh is THE most corrupt nation on Earth, according to Transparency International. Its remarkable that in such a corrupt society Mohammad Yunus is able to stay clean. I applaud him.



Thanks for your time Teas, much appreciated.

It's a Travesty that Ghandi didn't get the award especially when this award, given to figures eg Kissinger attracted some controversy. I've actually got a piece on Ghandi , which I dug up the otherday when I read Libraladyis post about the possible statue in Leicester. I never got round to posting it, but I will .

Well nothing in this world is perfect Teas, although there's nothing wrong in aiming for something good. I guess Rome wasn't built in a day and progress has to start somewhere, however small it seems as first. Mistakes may be made along the way, but hopefully, lessons are learned. From little acorns . . .

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