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110.       elham
579 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 10:53 pm

I think we need Dr.Phil in TC to clear all our problems here

111.       KeithL
1455 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 10:54 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

This is the core of the issue. We agree that especially the Taliban terrorizing women in Afghan is wrong. There really isn't much to discuss. But, what is the purpose of the thread?


The purpose of the thread is the same as the purpose of a positive news - information. This is not an islamic web site, therefore we will not censor only positive news about Islam, if Islam is an allowed topic.



I'm not a believer in censoring news about islam or turkey. I am just pointing out that these 3 threads were started to show a specific negative aspect of Islam. I don't need to discuss the right or wrong aspect. I am just showing the example that this type of thread exists. Similarly, there have been threads started showing a negative aspect of USA. Even though none of these examples have anything to do with Turkey, I am in favor of allowing the content as long as behavior does not get particularly abusive.

This is my comparison about "sacred cows" on the site. If threads about islam in other countries is allowed, than so should threads about the US.
Respect, but no censorship...

112.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 10:55 pm

Quoting KeithL:


These 3 threads all share a common theme. They were posted to show the "backward image" of islam.
They were not there to educate, inform or provoke thought. Why do some people feel the need to find articles on the web that portray islam and islamic people in a bad way, and feel the need to post it here? Turkey is a 99.9% muslim country. If we were in the home of a turkish family, would it be kind to bring up this kind of discussion? Or would it be considered rude? This is my point.
I think a good rule of thumb is to not start a thread that you would feel uncomfortable discussing at the home of a traditional turkish family. Treat this site like someone's home where we are guests. And that means show respect.


'backward image of islam', what is it really? my islamists friends here do not have any opinions to change that image?

Do you really need a BAN on those posts to defend your belief?

And as far as Turkish families are concerned, You are welcome to visit my family and discuss anything you like. If you like I can send you other familes as well..you just have to know how to speak to them..
Personally, I discussed everything when I was in Turkey with everybody. Everybody includes imams, muezzins, my religious family members and others..
As a Turk, I never felt I was disrespecting them..

You see..for example I can claim that , in your post, that you are insulting my Turkish pride by saying that Turkish families are not tolerant about some topics..But I am not going to say it..

113.       catwoman
8933 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 10:56 pm

Quoting KeithL:

I'm not a believer in censoring news about islam or turkey. I am just pointing out that these 3 threads were started to show a specific negative aspect of Islam. I don't need to discuss the right or wrong aspect. I am just showing the example that this type of thread exists. Similarly, there have been threads started showing a negative aspect of USA. Even though none of these examples have anything to do with Turkey, I am in favor of allowing the content as long as behavior does not get particularly abusive.


Ok, I see your point Keith, but I don't understand how you decided that the purpose of posting those threads was to show negative sides of Islam? To me they looked like news announcements.

114.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 10:58 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

This is the core of the issue. We agree that especially the Taliban terrorizing women in Afghan is wrong. There really isn't much to discuss. But, what is the purpose of the thread?


The purpose of the thread is the same as the purpose of a positive news - information. This is not an islamic web site, therefore we will not censor only positive news about Islam, if Islam is an allowed topic.



I'm not a believer in censoring news about islam or turkey. I am just pointing out that these 3 threads were started to show a specific negative aspect of Islam. I don't need to discuss the right or wrong aspect. I am just showing the example that this type of thread exists. Similarly, there have been threads started showing a negative aspect of USA. Even though none of these examples have anything to do with Turkey, I am in favor of allowing the content as long as behavior does not get particularly abusive.



And the threads that were negative about the US....Did any of us cause such an uproar?

115.       elham
579 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:00 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Well..Actually..
sorry to everybody but this is becoming a comedy show here..
First of all, of course the question itself keith asked:
"Has Turkish Language Class become too anti islam and anti turkish?"

if you ask what the definition of anti-turkish or anti-islam, everybody will give different answer. Because, it is as good as me asking everybody that 'am I handsome or not'..

The second thing is the roundness of those words, because you dont have a proper definition of those entities.

You may think that when somebody says 'hey..there is a link here saying that mohammed got married to 9 years old child' is and insult to islam..

But Is it really insulting islam? is it true that 'that incident' happened? what is wrong with mentioning it?
and as a person who have strong beliefs and who feels offended, dont you have ENOUGH knowledge TO DEFEND mohammed?

Somebody gave a link, I remember, saying that 'Ataturk was a dictator'.
Is it anti Turkish? Is it really anti -turkish? well may be that person knows something historically which you dont know.
and dont you have ANY knowledge about ataturk to defend him?


It will be an insulting according to the way you say this information, or at least accuse Islam in wrong information,
and you insist in it even when we right it,

116.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:01 pm

Quoting elham:

Quoting thehandsom:

Well..Actually..
sorry to everybody but this is becoming a comedy show here..
First of all, of course the question itself keith asked:
"Has Turkish Language Class become too anti islam and anti turkish?"

if you ask what the definition of anti-turkish or anti-islam, everybody will give different answer. Because, it is as good as me asking everybody that 'am I handsome or not'..

The second thing is the roundness of those words, because you dont have a proper definition of those entities.

You may think that when somebody says 'hey..there is a link here saying that mohammed got married to 9 years old child' is and insult to islam..

But Is it really insulting islam? is it true that 'that incident' happened? what is wrong with mentioning it?
and as a person who have strong beliefs and who feels offended, dont you have ENOUGH knowledge TO DEFEND mohammed?

Somebody gave a link, I remember, saying that 'Ataturk was a dictator'.
Is it anti Turkish? Is it really anti -turkish? well may be that person knows something historically which you dont know.
and dont you have ANY knowledge about ataturk to defend him?


It will be an insulting according to the way you say this information, or at least accuse Islam in wrong information,
and you insist in it even when we right it,


Why is it insulting to you Elham?
What did I say? is it NOT TRUE?
IS YOUR BELIEF THAT WEAK.. dont you have any answers to that?

117.       libralady
5152 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:04 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting KeithL:

I'm not a believer in censoring news about islam or turkey. I am just pointing out that these 3 threads were started to show a specific negative aspect of Islam. I don't need to discuss the right or wrong aspect. I am just showing the example that this type of thread exists. Similarly, there have been threads started showing a negative aspect of USA. Even though none of these examples have anything to do with Turkey, I am in favor of allowing the content as long as behavior does not get particularly abusive.


Ok, I see your point Keith, but I don't understand how you decided that the purpose of posting those threads was to show negative sides of Islam? To me they looked like news announcements.



They were news announcements but the posts that followed became inflammatory and indeed were insulting to some. But this happened, what about a year ago? Hopefully all discussions in the future will be just that.

118.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:04 pm

Quoting elham:

I think we need Dr.Phil in TC to clear all our problems here



I think we only have Dr Treatment....is he still around?

119.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:07 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting KeithL:

100% right Kirsty and those are the types of threads that will get locked in a heart beat...


So when can we expect to see this thread locked....
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_28715


I absulately agree with GG here..
Why did you block alpha's thread about israel and palestine and why are you allowing the above thread?
is above very much related to Turkey?
you may make mistakes as mods/admins..
it does not matter really.. everybody will understand that.
But when you are NOT JUST you will find it difficult to explain..

120.       catwoman
8933 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:08 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

It totally defeats the purpose of a forum if you can't discuss anything negative or controversial about Turkey, its culture or its religion. I talk openly about these topics with many of my Turkish friends and husband...and they don't get nearly as uppity as people on this site. People have been completely disrespectful and downright rude about my country and I have never complained. I have also been ridiculed for my religious convictions...but I have never complained about that either. My whole point is, offense is often taken where none is intended. I think many people think they want to discuss differences but really they want to convince other people that they are wrong.


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