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politics and religion on this site
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1.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Mar 2008 Thu 09:19 pm

I would like to raise this question again - what do you think about the restriction to discuss politics and religion here ONLY if it is DIRECTLY related to Turkey?

I think that such a restriction will not only keep us focused on the topic of Turkey, which is the purpose of this web site, but also will allow us to avoid many unnecessary arguments about religion and foreign politics that are really not meant to take place here.

2.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 20 Mar 2008 Thu 09:23 pm

I really don't think it will help. If people want to fight and be argumentative, they will argue about the politics and religion of any country. Anyone can choose to argue about any topic, catwoman. Want to fight about the best way to make Lentil Soup?

3.       karpusqueen
0 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 12:27 pm

Mods and Admins.

You've asked for opinions and suggestions of members. You have formed a new Admin/Mod team with people from different backgrounds.

What you have to do now is take collective ownership of the site . . . discuss the rules between yourselves . . . publish them and enforce them . Review them after an agreed time lapse.

We members are like children . . . we need to know where we stand.

Stop the procrastination and Moderate please.

DETENTE

4.       libralady
5152 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 01:19 pm

Quoting catwoman:

I would like to raise this question again - what do you think about the restriction to discuss politics and religion here ONLY if it is DIRECTLY related to Turkey?

I think that such a restriction will not only keep us focused on the topic of Turkey, which is the purpose of this web site, but also will allow us to avoid many unnecessary arguments about religion and foreign politics that are really not meant to take place here.



I think it will be difficult for some members NOT to enter into discussion about other countries and I dont really see that as being A problem or THE problem.

I would like to see the site more Turkey related and less of the rest of the world, but again, there is only so much you can say about any one country. And history tells us that people enjoy the more controversial topics and some of the interesting ones about the country have gone practically unnoticed.

I also agree with Karpusqueen that you need to collectively set the guidelines (rules or whatever you like to call them) and then moderate to those and warn when things get out of hand.

We all know the basic rules of forum use so set the guidelines around the politics and religion and let us see the changes emerge.

I for one would like to add that I appreciate what you (Admin) are trying to achieve and the appointment of new moderators and would like to see this site remain as successful and one to be proud to recommend to friends.

5.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 02:03 pm

Quoting karpusqueen:


We members are like children . . . we need to know where we stand.

Stop the procrastination and Moderate please.

DETENTE


Speak for yourself Peace Train.. lol
I think most of the members know where they stand.
And, personally, I wont feel happy if some one keeps reminding me what I should do, what topics I should write etc.

There has been a type moderation here and it was a fairly good and democratic one.
I can see no reason why they should change it with the one opiniated 'members are like childeren'!!

This place is not a school!!

6.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 02:06 pm

I want to make an offer about religious topics. If someone wants to say something in his mind, he must put a prove such as a reference link that what he says is really in the religion and really related to Turkey. But the reference must be acredited, or at least not provokable, improper and unacceptable. And then he can say what he thinks about that practice or idea without saying as if that religious idea or practice were "funny"; and the critisizing words must not contain offhand or saucy feelings.

Just an offer, because I am also not sure how much applicable it is.

But I want to say something to catwoman:
As far as I see, you made comments like this: "you muslims see every critisize as if they were bad words". Actually, you (yourself) see the bad words as critics even though everone can see clearly that many of these type posts were trying to say "what you believe is only stupid, unacceptable, not even thinkable/meaningful/reasonable ideas" even though this ideas are hidden inside of the lines. I am very very serious about this. If the words contain saucy impressions, they can't be told "critics".

Or let's do this issue like this much more simply: Everyone can post religious texts only;
- without comment
- with the reference if it is an acceptable source about religion
- the ideas if it is really related to Turkey or Turkish culture

Otherwise, people say many different and unacceptable things without any basis. It brings us to the misunderstanding areas about religion.

7.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 02:40 pm

Quoting caliptrix:


Or let's do this issue like this much more simply: Everyone can post religious texts only;
- without comment
- with the reference if it is an acceptable source about religion
- the ideas if it is really related to Turkey or Turkish culture


Well..
I remember, I posted something previously. I dont remember the thread (I think it is locked)now, but it was something about what rules muslims should follow in their bedrooms . I translated personally some parts of the huge list of rules from the website. I gave the link to that website too. It was related to Turkey, because some of my country men really read them and try to follow those rules.

But the first post to my original thread was :
'the handsom, what kind of person you are'
I really think that some muslims think whatever is written about islam is for critisisim.

8.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:03 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting caliptrix:


Or let's do this issue like this much more simply: Everyone can post religious texts only;
- without comment
- with the reference if it is an acceptable source about religion
- the ideas if it is really related to Turkey or Turkish culture


Well..
I remember, I posted something previously. I dont remember the thread (I think it is locked)now, but it was something about what rules muslims should follow in their bedrooms . I translated personally some parts of the huge list of rules from the website. I gave the link to that website too. It was related to Turksy because some of my country men really read them and try to follow those rules.

But the first post to my original thread was :
'the handsom, what kind of person you are'
I really think that some muslims think whatever is written about islam is for critisisim.



I remember you wrote it as a funny way. You made everything as if all of these things are fun for you or the others who don't believe these things (I am not talking about believing in Islam. That is only about believing inside of the text what you write). That is not critisism as I told.

9.       catwoman
8933 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:21 pm

Caliptrix, thank you for sharing your opinions. I would like to hear more from other religious people here. I wonder what they are in favor of...

10.       CANLI
5084 posts
 21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:51 pm

Quoting catwoman:

I would like to raise this question again - what do you think about the restriction to discuss politics and religion here ONLY if it is DIRECTLY related to Turkey?

I think that such a restriction will not only keep us focused on the topic of Turkey, which is the purpose of this web site, but also will allow us to avoid many unnecessary arguments about religion and foreign politics that are really not meant to take place here.



Actually,i dont see how could this be possible,its unrealistic rule from what i see for 2 reasons
First,religion...how would be the discussion in religion related to Türkiye ?!
İslam is the religion of most of Turks,so now we are talking about discussing İslam only ...
Then if we need to compare an issue in İslam by Christianity or Judaism,we wouldnt be in a topic related to Türkiye ?!!!
Beside İslam is not related ONLY to Türkiye,so you would be talking about some issue and you wouldnt continue it in debat when its applied in another country ?!!!
Actually i cant see how this could be !
As for politics,ok assume a discussion has started by event in Türkiye,debat get a bit hot,and if a member,said but also in USA,or UK or Germany,the ....happening and members started to talk about,how would you classify this ?!
Actually you cant !

So both religion and politics will be open discussion at the end,and that is how it is,because İslam not a religion for Türkiye only,and Türkiye is not alone in the world so you can talk about Türkiye only in a political debats

Beside if you allow debating in politics,and a major event happened,or people were killed in some terrorist attack,and we skipped it,we would be like living in another world !

So,i guess if you allow politics and religion debats it will be opened,so the question would be what rules you can put to organize such debats ?

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