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politics and religion on this site
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21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:51 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: I would like to raise this question again - what do you think about the restriction to discuss politics and religion here ONLY if it is DIRECTLY related to Turkey?
I think that such a restriction will not only keep us focused on the topic of Turkey, which is the purpose of this web site, but also will allow us to avoid many unnecessary arguments about religion and foreign politics that are really not meant to take place here.
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Actually,i dont see how could this be possible,its unrealistic rule from what i see for 2 reasons
First,religion...how would be the discussion in religion related to Türkiye ?!
İslam is the religion of most of Turks,so now we are talking about discussing İslam only ...
Then if we need to compare an issue in İslam by Christianity or Judaism,we wouldnt be in a topic related to Türkiye ?!!!
Beside İslam is not related ONLY to Türkiye,so you would be talking about some issue and you wouldnt continue it in debat when its applied in another country ?!!!
Actually i cant see how this could be !
As for politics,ok assume a discussion has started by event in Türkiye,debat get a bit hot,and if a member,said but also in USA,or UK or Germany,the ....happening and members started to talk about,how would you classify this ?!
Actually you cant !
So both religion and politics will be open discussion at the end,and that is how it is,because İslam not a religion for Türkiye only,and Türkiye is not alone in the world so you can talk about Türkiye only in a political debats
Beside if you allow debating in politics,and a major event happened,or people were killed in some terrorist attack,and we skipped it,we would be like living in another world !
So,i guess if you allow politics and religion debats it will be opened,so the question would be what rules you can put to organize such debats ?
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22 Mar 2008 Sat 01:09 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting karpusqueen:
We members are like children . . . we need to know where we stand.
Stop the procrastination and Moderate please.
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Speak for yourself Peace Train.. 
I think most of the members know where they stand.
And, personally, I wont feel happy if some one keeps reminding me what I should do, what topics I should write etc.
There has been a type moderation here and it was a fairly good and democratic one.
I can see no reason why they should change it with the one opiniated 'members are like childeren'!!
This place is not a school!!
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I never mentioned school handsom, I'm a mother and a grandmother  . As a father, don't you set clear boundaries?
Nobody will need to remind you of what you should do if you do as you should do in the first instance i.e. be a good boy and follow the rules.
It seems to me that the reason this site is going through a transition is because people (whoever they are) think it is necessary. Even Admins must think it necessary, otherwise they would not have asked for suggestions and appointed more moderators.
btw Well done Admin, you made good choices for Moderators and thank you for taking the time to listen to members.
I have made my opinion clear. I don't want the topics to be limited. However, if there are rules then the site should be moderated according to them. The point of my post that you refer to was to stop the debate about how the site is managed etc. and get on with it.
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22 Mar 2008 Sat 03:13 am |
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Quoting karpusqueen:
I never mentioned school handsom, I'm a mother and a grandmother . As a father, don't you set clear boundaries?
Nobody will need to remind you of what you should do if you do as you should do in the first instance i.e. be a good boy and follow the rules.
It seems to me that the reason this site is going through a transition is because people (whoever they are) think it is necessary. Even Admins must think it necessary, otherwise they would not have asked for suggestions and appointed more moderators.
btw Well done Admin, you made good choices for Moderators and thank you for taking the time to listen to members.
I have made my opinion clear. I don't want the topics to be limited. However, if there are rules then the site should be moderated according to them. The point of my post that you refer to was to stop the debate about how the site is managed etc. and get on with it. |
To be honest, I never thought a transition was necessary for the site and I still think it is NOT.
I think, it started with Keith complaining anti islam and anti turk posts and they are STILL NOT proven. I am still yet to see what is anti-turk and what is anti-islam.
I am one the persons who thinks that 'less rules' as a rule is always better and the rules are necessary for the people who aren't willing to make up their own.
I have my own rules and I am always a good boy.
The site has always been managed I believe, and you rather sanctimoniously telling the mods "stop the debate about how the site is managed etc. and get on with it" is simply irritating.
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22 Mar 2008 Sat 10:40 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting karpusqueen:
I never mentioned school handsom, I'm a mother and a grandmother . As a father, don't you set clear boundaries?
Nobody will need to remind you of what you should do if you do as you should do in the first instance i.e. be a good boy and follow the rules.
It seems to me that the reason this site is going through a transition is because people (whoever they are) think it is necessary. Even Admins must think it necessary, otherwise they would not have asked for suggestions and appointed more moderators.
btw Well done Admin, you made good choices for Moderators and thank you for taking the time to listen to members.
I have made my opinion clear. I don't want the topics to be limited. However, if there are rules then the site should be moderated according to them. The point of my post that you refer to was to stop the debate about how the site is managed etc. and get on with it. |
To be honest, I never thought a transition was necessary for the site and I still think it is NOT.
I think, it started with Keith complaining anti islam and anti turk posts and they are STILL NOT proven. I am still yet to see what is anti-turk and what is anti-islam.
I am one the persons who thinks that 'less rules' as a rule is always better and the rules are necessary for the people who aren't willing to make up their own.
I have my own rules and I am always a good boy.
The site has always been managed I believe, and you rather sanctimoniously telling the mods "stop the debate about how the site is managed etc. and get on with it" is simply irritating.
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ha ha ha you are like a dog with a bone. The transition must be happening for a reason. Even political parties reinvent themselves to gain or maintain popularity amongst an electorate. I imagine it is not an easy task, catering for the needs of over 15k members and whilst it's possible to please some of the members all of the time, it's impossible to please all of the members even only some of the time. In any event, if you think about it, any transition that this site may be undergoing is not THAT huge. However, this ongoing debate (which Admin/Mods are contributing to)is blowing matters out of proportion, hence my comment to cease it and simply get on.
Anyway, from what I've seen of your posts in general, you are an advocate of reform. )
There are worse things than sanctimony and irritation, so I thank you . However,I suspect you are observing site rules and don't want to use anything stronger .
I didn't make the rules. They were here long before I came. I still think the rules didn't need to be changed, except to allow political and religious debate. I thought you wanted to be able to debate these things handsom . . .
I know the site has always been managed. My point is that there now seems to be debate about the management of the site, when perhaps it's time to give it a rest. ha ha ha I thought I sounded fed up, not sanctimonious.
Keith has gone to great lengths to explain himself. The issue you cite is not as simple as you are trying to make out. I would spend time explaining it to you but I suspect you already understand.
You'll be pleased to know I'm going to take the advice of many here and stop debating these issues any further.
btw, you better add boring to my repertoire, I fell asleep mid post
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22 Mar 2008 Sat 01:52 pm |
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In my humble opinion, I don't think you can restrict this area. So long as everybody has the right to share their feelings. For example, some people defend their religion when they feel hurt and I have also sometimes sensed "anti-west" "anti-Christian" dialogues, so if I wish to defend myself as our muslims brothers and sisters do, I think EVERYONE is entitled to complete freedom in this area.
Religion & Politics is a huge part of everyone's life - you can't restrict it. This is such a hard issue but I think the key is maturity. Everyone has growing pains, everyone gets a little defensive - me included, everyone has off days, everyone can be over-sensetive sometimes.... perhaps we shouldn't be restricting anything but instead trying to be a bit more understanding of human nature. (I kind of agree with thehandsome in that less rules are better, that self control is more important.)
Oh I will shut up now I am rambling on - hope this makes a little sense. Wishing everyone a peaceful weekend.
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22 Mar 2008 Sat 08:47 pm |
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Ok, since no restrictions on religion and politics seems to be everyone's wish, we will modify the forum rules accordingly. However, I think these topics should still be posted in moderation to maintain the focus on Turkey as much as we can and at the same time we reserve the right to send a warning to a person who is posting too many topics that are unrelated to Turkey. Does that sound fair enough?
However, if it turns out that these topics will lead to many arguments, we will restrict the forum rules again.
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22 Mar 2008 Sat 09:41 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Ok, since no restrictions on religion and politics seems to be everyone's wish, we will modify the forum rules accordingly. However, I think these topics should still be posted in moderation to maintain the focus on Turkey as much as we can and at the same time we reserve the right to send a warning to a person who is posting too many topics that are unrelated to Turkey. Does that sound fair enough?
However, if it turns out that these topics will lead to many arguments, we will restrict the forum rules again. |
İ dont know why would there be any warning to anyone as long as they dont disrespect anyone,and as long as they are posting it in its proper place?!
Unless there would be technical problems outcoming of it,is there ?
And from our privious experience,i believe there is no place for İF here dear cat
Of course politics and religions will cause many arguments,they are hot topics,so i guess we need strict rules,emphasis that respecting others opinions and believes and not attacking any even if they were not applicable to us by all means,are the main rules of having such debats.
Oh to be honest dear cat,when i think about how should we form rules to be much satisfying to many parts,i be glad that im not admin !
You have hard job to do here really.
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22 Mar 2008 Sat 10:10 pm |
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I explained why we would decide to send a warning. We dont want people to treat this web site as their blog; although we can discuss anything, let's try to stay focused on Turkey as much as possible.
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28 Mar 2008 Fri 03:11 pm |
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I agree with what is said about complete freedom, but unfortunately this complete freedom has resulted in complaints from members about the website.
Therefore we will more strictly moderate the forums on such topics.
Complete restriction is impossible and not favourable, but complete freedom has shown to held double standards at this website, and is therefore not preferable either for the timebeing.
We thank you for your understanding and cooperation and hope to have more peaceful discussions from now on.
DK.
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28 Mar 2008 Fri 03:46 pm |
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so..have the rules changed again?
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28 Mar 2008 Fri 03:48 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: so..have the rules changed again? |
I gave no rule, did I I just summarized the implications of both options as given by members in this forum, and said that more strict moderation will be a sollution.
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