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120.       vineyards
1954 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 01:54 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

That was very moving, I see Ataturk was a great speaker. But what menaces are there for Turks now? What perils are there? Who is the enemy? Who wants to occupy Turkey?



We should take these things in the right context. This address was actually made at the inauguration of the first parliament in Ankara after the abolition of the Ottoman Empire by Kemal Ataturk. The person who gave this address was a victorious commander who had defeated invading troops liberated his country and fought an equally difficult war when organizing the liberation campaign against his own Sultan. Everything he said in his speech had a reason.

It is also a rather universal speech because as it is laid out in its structure it refers to future possibilities.

The punchline is Ataturk wanted his youth to be very active, very alert and very wise. He wanted to work with pathfinders and pioneers and he personally did his best to aid people at realizing the potential in them. His adopted daughter became the first female combat pilot. In 1934, he gave full suffrage to women. French women would wait until 1941 to gain this right. In 1945 Japanese women gained suffrage. In Belgium, Italy, Romania and Yugoslavia suffrage would come as late as 1946. Just imagine being able to achieve this in a conservative Islam country.

121.       janissary
0 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 02:47 pm

u all dont know anything about Turkey and some countries' politics about turkey. OPEN UR EYES. PLEASE

122.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 05:33 pm

Quoting lady in red:


Mine too! I thought it was obvious from his first appearance in the chat room! Nice nick though!


Yeah, a very clever member brought that to my attention and then when I saw the post....well....I think it speaks for itself!

123.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 05:53 pm

Quoting janissary:

u all dont know anything about Turkey and some countries' politics about turkey. OPEN UR EYES. PLEASE


I hope you are not referring all those western countries and usa are out there to get us, divide us, rule us etc.
Because if you do, it will remind me the old coffee house talks like 'ah ah..they pressed the button again' lol
And also it will fit into some of the "Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism":

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe

7. Obsession with National Security

124.       janissary
0 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 06:18 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting janissary:

u all dont know anything about Turkey and some countries' politics about turkey. OPEN UR EYES. PLEASE


I hope you are not referring all those western countries and usa are out there to get us, divide us, rule us etc.
Because if you do, it will remind me the old coffee house talks like 'ah ah..they pressed the button again' lol
And also it will fit into some of the "Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism":

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe

7. Obsession with National Security




yes. we are narrow minded and you are one of the most intelligent turkish citizen. we live in a imagination world we create our enemies. all of the other countries are peaceful but we cant understand it with our mind that s why, we think they are against us and they want our lands.

125.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 06:49 pm

Thanks for putting the speech into the perspective Vineyards. Of course, encouraging the young ones to develop, to aim for what's best for them is what each country should be doing. I don't think anyone has a problem with that here.

I know about giving women their rights, I read about it in Ataturk's Mausoleum as well as about making Turkey secular. It must have been difficult and glory be to him for the fact that he achieved it.

However, the way I see it, the discussion here progressed into dwelling upon nationalism as being the result of misunderstood patriotism. When I asked who constitutes such great a danger to Turkey that some members here proclaim that "We shall prevail, we'll never give up, we will be great etc" I got the "are you kidding" answer.

I haven't studied political science, but for all I know, neither the USA nor EU (or, in other words, the bed west) wants to take over Turkey. Why would they? From what I read here, I get the sense that the biggest enemy of Turkey is some of its people who are so full of hate that they see enemies even when there aren't any...

126.       janissary
0 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 07:09 pm

u must be kidding... if u see turkey maps used by some countries, u will understand us. but I dont want you understand us. we know what is reality. we are aware of it.

127.       janissary
0 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 07:14 pm

here is one:

click

128.       Lapinkulta
0 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 08:40 pm

Quoting janissary:

here is one:

click



they wont belive it janis coz they has to see after what happened but It is dream...real turkish citizens will write another history....

129.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 09:00 pm

Members here firstly should learn a little bit history of Turkish Republic, if they are interested politics of Turkia, then its better to comment on, otherwise sounds ridiculous as janissary mentioned...

130.       catwoman
8933 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 09:51 pm

Quoting vineyards:

The punchline is Ataturk wanted his youth to be very active, very alert and very wise. He wanted to work with pathfinders and pioneers and he personally did his best to aid people at realizing the potential in them. His adopted daughter became the first female combat pilot. In 1934, he gave full suffrage to women. French women would wait until 1941 to gain this right. In 1945 Japanese women gained suffrage. In Belgium, Italy, Romania and Yugoslavia suffrage would come as late as 1946. Just imagine being able to achieve this in a conservative Islam country.


Really, Ataturk was the greatest world leader ever. Extremely brilliant - talking about having a vision and right judgment..

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