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150.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 03:23 pm

Friends don't threaten and humiliate friends. Friends don't take money from other friends and then turn around and act like they don't owe any allegence. Turkey isn't too proud to come begging to the US for money. I recall we forgave a 9 billion dollar debt to Turkey.

So Vineyard please explain friendship then to me?

151.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 03:24 pm

Quoting vineyards:

There are no frienships in international politics. Every country must be prepard for the worst.



That's exactly what I said in my previous post. Of course, counting on your allies only would be naive. Each country takes an egoistic approach working out foreign policy. My point was that living in constant fear of a conspiracy that doesn't exist doesn't do good. It's a pity to see young Turks living in a free country who believe the whole West wants to annihilate their motherland when it's not the case.

Quoting teaschip1:

Interesting then if Turkey was a so called friend they should have had no problem with letting us use your airspace.



Don't you think it was pretty selfish of the US to ask for it? Letting you use their bases, they'd be at risk of bombing as the bases would be strategic points, not the US.

152.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 03:30 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting vineyards:

There are no frienships in international politics. Every country must be prepard for the worst.



That's exactly what I said in my previous post. Of course, counting on your allies only would be naive. Each country takes an egoistic approach working out foreign policy. My point was that living in constant fear of a conspiracy that doesn't exist doesn't do good. It's a pity to see young Turks living in a free country who believe the whole West wants to annihilate their motherland when it's not the case.

Quoting teaschip1:

Interesting then if Turkey was a so called friend they should have had no problem with letting us use your airspace.



Don't you think it was pretty selfish of the US to ask for it? Letting you use their bases, they'd be at risk of bombing as the bases would be strategic points, not the US.



I didn't find this selfish or unreasonable at all. I don't see how Turkey would be at risk. It was mearly using their runways, which the U.S. has helped fund. They had no problem in the Gulf War with allowing us to.

153.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 03:54 pm

Teaschip, I am not willing to get involved in the gutter fight you are trying to start. You will have to find someone else to pour your derision on.

154.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 04:00 pm

Quote:

Plus the US is fond of threatening their friends when it thinks that they are not submissive enough.



Vineyard, please keep in mind when YOU post controversial lines here, expect to get a response.

Maybe you need to rethink your gutter statements or be prepared to receive a gutter response back.

155.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 05:17 pm

We know, we know.... America is Great, Turkey sucks. blah blah blah...

156.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 05:58 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quote:

Plus the US is fond of threatening their friends when it thinks that they are not submissive enough.



Vineyard, please keep in mind when YOU post controversial lines here, expect to get a response.

Maybe you need to rethink your gutter statements or be prepared to receive a gutter response back.



OK I've received my gutter response back. Now, looking forward to your next gutter response. You know anyone can post here.

157.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 06:47 pm

Quoting KeithL:

We know, we know.... America is Great, Turkey sucks. blah blah blah...



I'm glad you agree America is great, however I don't agree that Turkey sucks.

158.       vineyards
1954 posts
 05 Apr 2008 Sat 12:43 pm

This is a general response to everyone ignorant on the history of Turco-american friendship.
This is the record of a great friendship between Turkey and US with excerpts from newspapers. Turkey fought alongside US in the Korean war forming the so called reserve forces backing up the US troops. It was positioned right into the middle of the quagmire by the "dark orders" given by the US generals. This is a story of how General Yazici saved the ass of the US in Korea creating a "small" miracle.

The rest can be found at :

http://www.korean-war.com/turkey.html

Ever since this display of friendship, Turkey thinks twice before sending troops outside the country.

"4500 soldiers in the middle of the firing line have known how to create miracle. The sacrifices of the Turks will eternally remain in our minds." - Washington Tribune

"The courageous battles of the Turkish Brigade have created a favorable effect on the whole United Nations Forces." - Time

"The surprise of the Korean battles were not the Chinese but the Turks. It is impossible at this moment to find a word to describe the heroism which the Turks have shown in the battles." - Abent Post

"The Turks have shown in Kunuri a heroism worthy of their glorious history. The Turks have gained the admiration of the whole world through their glorious fighting in the battles." - Figaro

"The Turks who have been known throughout history by their courage and decency, have proved that they have kept these characteristics, in the war which the United Nations undertook in Korea." - Burner - U.S. Congressman

"There is no one left who does not know that the Turks, our valuable allies, are hard warriors and that they have accomplished very great feats at the front." - Claude Pepper, U.S. Senator

"I now understand that the vote I gave in favor of assistance to Turkey was the most fitting vote I gave in my life. Courage, bravery and heroism are the greatest virtues which will sooner or later conquer. In this matter, I know no nation superior to the Turks." - Rose - U.S. Senator

"While the Turks were for a long time fighting against the enemy and dying, the British and Americans were withdrawing. The Turks, who were out of ammunition, affixed their bayonets and attacked the enemy and there ensued a terrible hand to hand combat. The Turks succeeded in withdrawing by continuous combat and by carrying their injured comrades on their backs. They paraded at Pyongyang with their heads held high." - G.G. Martin - British Lieutenant General

"The Turkish forces have shown success above that expected in the battles they gave in Korea." - General Collings - Commander US Army

"We owe the escape of thousands of United Nations troops out of a certain encirclement to the heroism of the Turkish soldiers. The Turkish soldiers in Korea have added a new and unforgettable page of honor to the customs and legends of heroism of the Turkish nation." - Emanuel Shinwell - U.K. Minister of Defense

"The heroic soldiers of a heroic nation, you have saved the Eighth Army and the IX'th Army Crops from encirclement and the 2nd Division from destruction. I came here today to thank you on behalf of the United Nations Army." - General Walton H. Walker, Commander, Eighth Army

"The Turks are the hero of heroes. There is no impossibility for the Turkish Brigade." - General Douglas MacArthur - United Nations Forces Commander in Chief

"The military situation in Korea is being followed with concern by the whole American public. But in these concerned days, the heroism shown by the Turks has given hope to the American nation. It has inculeated them with courage. The American public fully appreciates the value of the services rendered by the Turkish Brigade and knows that because of them the Eighth American Army could withdraw without disarray. The American public understands that the United Nations Forces in Korea were saved from encirclement and from falling in to the hands of the communists by the heroism shown by the Turks."


After reading this, check out the results of another joint campaign at Bosnia. The US built the largest ever military base in history. The base is so big, together with the Chinese Wall it is one of the two structures visible from outer space. Every other friend has long returned home after liberating Bosnia. It turns out our great friend has some other intentions as well.

Our friend is notorious for helping people under its patronage. Remember what happened to the Bikini islands. How they have been deported from their native land after the bomb experiement made on their island. In Iraq there would be chemical weapons and that constituted the primary reason for the invasion, where are the chemical facilities?

Our government in the 50's was naive enough to believe that the US was our friend. There is no denying that some of the deal might have included a foreign aid too. Luckily, we are no longer selling our blood for any money.
But truth be told we have never sold our friends like some of our friends did in the past.

Now go figure out who sucks big time.

159.       KeithL
1455 posts
 05 Apr 2008 Sat 05:37 pm

Great post Vineyards!!!

160.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 Apr 2008 Sat 10:06 pm

Quoting janissary:

sometimes u confuse me, I hope u are ok now or not drunk. Ur posts were a bit different before

about map. I dont take none of them serious. We are turkish youth, we re aware of everything



They are not confusing canım, and I am not drunk either. (where did you get that from ).

I don't get where you got the idea from that I dont respect Atatürk. Some people here seem to think I am anti-turkish and pro-seperationists. I love Turkey and its culture, and I love part of its culture that belongs to Kurds. I dont love the people who try and break that up On the other hand, I dont see why villages needed their names changed and I dont love people who shout that there is no wrong-doing against Kurdish citizens in TR. So there is always two sides. You should learn to pick somewhere in the middle, if I would name my daughter a kurdish name (which is apparantly illegal) doesn't mean I support PKK Respecting Atatürk, doesnt mean I worship him As I said, hep iki taraf var, and I hope these two sides can come closer to each other instead of breaking them apart.

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