For along time on this site, disccussion oriented to damage and offend our National Emotions. I wont give the names but some members encouraged by moderators or Admin. criticizing is different, criticizin is different. Some things about this country may be strange to some foreigners but you must become to be familiar with this if u really love Turkey. U dont have to love what we do. we like to do it. a few ppl is saying really annoying thngs on this web site. but most of the turkish ppl like to do it. and we will live like this forever. We read Andımız in the morning for years and our chidren will read it in the future too. we read about Ataturk and even now we learn many things from him and our chidren will learn how to protect from his thoughts in the future.

if somethings come strange to you. just respect millions of turkish people and dont write bad comments.

This is a bit like asking for the gate to be closed after the horse has bolted - those people have gone from this site, if you haven't noticed!

After Wilders, a lot of crap on this website has been said about the Dutch people. I recall being attacked by A.. just because my country accepts gaymarriages. But it didn't really touch me personally. If that is his opinion, let him have it, even if it is a wrong one in my eyes.

Apparantly, the same doesn't go round the other way I'm sure you are talking about me Janis, because no other admin or mod has made a comment him/herself in that forum. But just as you are entitled to your opinion (Andımız is good), I am entitled to mine (It could be modified and less frequent).

I believe every country has its own habits and rituals, which should be respected. It makes the people the way they are. When I was at primary school I had to thank God all the time for the beautiful new day.. Even though I'm not really religious now it probably made me who I am. Obviously not all things are perfect or 'acceptable' to foreigners, but why should all countries be the same? I think the 'globalization' creates a lot of negative side effects. Every country needs to be 'westernized', well I'd rather not have Turkey become like Holland, I love it the way it is now!

I can't disagree with you DK that it seems to us a bit too often to say it every morning.. but I'm afraid we can't do much to change it .

Oh and one last thing I wanted to say about you having to thank God every morning.. that was a choice Your parents could have send you to a public-primary school as well. I had the same you had, I went to a Protestant Christian primary school and to a Catholic highschool. If that made me who I am, then there was something wrong with their religious education

to me turkey has that amazing taste that you dont know whether you like or not but you are pretty sure that its a special and one of your favorites, thats why i love it as a whole or as a package and i think i like the wrong things first or i am ok to like them ,coz its the same as when uou love someone you are letting go forgetting what you dont like and what you hate by a kiss or a hug or even a smile.
as the english proverb says(It takes all sorts to make a world)then turkey is an important sort of this world and i love it as its.

This has become Turkish Whining Class!