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Stop Attacking Our National Emotions!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:58 am |
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For along time on this site, disccussion oriented to damage and offend our National Emotions. I wont give the names but some members encouraged by moderators or Admin. criticizing is different, criticizin is different. Some things about this country may be strange to some foreigners but you must become to be familiar with this if u really love Turkey. U dont have to love what we do. we like to do it. a few ppl is saying really annoying thngs on this web site. but most of the turkish ppl like to do it. and we will live like this forever. We read Andımız in the morning for years and our chidren will read it in the future too. we read about Ataturk and even now we learn many things from him and our chidren will learn how to protect from his thoughts in the future.
if somethings come strange to you. just respect millions of turkish people and dont write bad comments.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:24 am |
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This is a bit like asking for the gate to be closed after the horse has bolted - those people have gone from this site, if you haven't noticed! 
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 12:16 pm |
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After Wilders, a lot of crap on this website has been said about the Dutch people. I recall being attacked by A.. just because my country accepts gaymarriages. But it didn't really touch me personally. If that is his opinion, let him have it, even if it is a wrong one in my eyes.
Apparantly, the same doesn't go round the other way  I'm sure you are talking about me Janis, because no other admin or mod has made a comment him/herself in that forum. But just as you are entitled to your opinion (Andımız is good), I am entitled to mine (It could be modified and less frequent).
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 12:25 pm |
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I believe every country has its own habits and rituals, which should be respected. It makes the people the way they are. When I was at primary school I had to thank God all the time for the beautiful new day.. Even though I'm not really religious now it probably made me who I am. Obviously not all things are perfect or 'acceptable' to foreigners, but why should all countries be the same? I think the 'globalization' creates a lot of negative side effects. Every country needs to be 'westernized', well I'd rather not have Turkey become like Holland, I love it the way it is now!
I can't disagree with you DK that it seems to us a bit too often to say it every morning.. but I'm afraid we can't do much to change it  .
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 12:29 pm |
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Quoting Chantal: Every country needs to be 'westernized', well I'd rather not have Turkey become like Holland, I love it the way it is now!
I can't disagree with you DK that it seems to us a bit too often to say it every morning.. but I'm afraid we can't do much to change it . |
You are right But still I think we should be able to say it, without creating a new wave of anti-turkishness. And you of all people know I am everything but anti-turkish 
I agree with you partially there too.. I wish Turkey would become more westernized on some topics as homosexuality-acceptation, abolisihing of honorkillings, etc. A more free-thinking country with eyes directed to the future and not to glories in the past.
But you are right.. I dont wish for Turkey to be in the chaos of freedom that we are in now.. You dont even know what you can and cannot say here anymore :-S I feel really sorry for 'my country', and yes, that has a sense of nationality in it i guess
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 12:32 pm |
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Oh and one last thing I wanted to say about you having to thank God every morning.. that was a choice Your parents could have send you to a public-primary school as well. I had the same you had, I went to a Protestant Christian primary school and to a Catholic highschool. If that made me who I am, then there was something wrong with their religious education
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 01:24 pm |
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Quoting Chantal: I believe every country has its own habits and rituals, which should be respected. |
I agree with that but what we are talking about here is racism and right to criticize of racism.
Racism is racism everywhere.
It should not be tolerated.
The nationalists (some of them though) in Turkey have no idea that the nationalism they know is nothing to do with the nationalism Ataturk was trying to create 100 years ago.
Nationalism was hijacked in 1940s by the fascist racists.
What they are right now is not better than, le pen in france or bnp in the uk or neo nazis in germany.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 01:39 pm |
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Quoting janissary: For along time on this site, disccussion oriented to damage and offend our National Emotions. I wont give the names but some members encouraged by moderators or Admin. criticizing is different, criticizin is different. |
If you think that a discussion about Andimiz is oriented this way, then you should feel guilty as you started it. I'm sure you had known that people would start commenting on it. What did you expect?
Also, what criticism is in your opinion?
Quote: most of the turkish ppl like to do it. and we will live like this forever. We read Andımız in the morning for years and our chidren will read it in the future too. we read about Ataturk and even now we learn many things from him and our chidren will learn how to protect from his thoughts in the future. |
That's a bit strong. Isn't that your opinion? I k now many Turks who don't agree with you on this one. And I'm sure there are as many people who think like you as there are people of a different opinion. You can't be sure what the situation will be like in the future. You may wish to have it like this, but you're not Prime Minister (or did we miss something?)
Quote: if somethings come strange to you. just respect millions of turkish people and dont write bad comments. |
I'm sure people who come here respect Turks. They however have the right not to admire everything that goes on there.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 03:05 pm |
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to me turkey has that amazing taste that you dont know whether you like or not but you are pretty sure that its a special and one of your favorites, thats why i love it as a whole or as a package and i think i like the wrong things first or i am ok to like them ,coz its the same as when uou love someone you are letting go forgetting what you dont like and what you hate by a kiss or a hug or even a smile.
as the english proverb says(It takes all sorts to make a world)then turkey is an important sort of this world and i love it as its.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 04:46 pm |
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 This has become Turkish Whining Class!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 05:04 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting janissary: For along time on this site, disccussion oriented to damage and offend our National Emotions. I wont give the names but some members encouraged by moderators or Admin. criticizing is different, criticizin is different. |
If you think that a discussion about Andimiz is oriented this way, then you should feel guilty as you started it. I'm sure you had known that people would start commenting on it. What did you expect?
it was not discussion about andımız.it was information for foreign ppl on that site who is learning Turkey and Turkish and turkish culture till some members (anti turks,anti islamist) started to bad postings.
Also, what criticism is in your opinion?
Quote: most of the turkish ppl like to do it. and we will live like this forever. We read Andımız in the morning for years and our chidren will read it in the future too. we read about Ataturk and even now we learn many things from him and our chidren will learn how to protect from his thoughts in the future. |
That's a bit strong. Isn't that your opinion? I k now many Turks who don't agree with you on this one. And I'm sure there are as many people who think like you as there are people of a different opinion. You can't be sure what the situation will be like in the future. You may wish to have it like this, but you're not Prime Minister (or did we miss something?)
how many turkish u knew?? more than me???how u are so sure about your opinion?
Quote: if somethings come strange to you. just respect millions of turkish people and dont write bad comments. |
I'm sure people who come here respect Turks. They however have the right not to admire everything that goes on there. |
could u tell me some members who dont post any bad post here elisabeth, daydreamer, catmoman,lady in red, and some turks who are adore of western
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 05:10 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: This has become Turkish Whining Class! |
Find a reason to whine you bed amerikan.. You can even be a mod after that..
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 05:30 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Elisabeth: This has become Turkish Whining Class! |
Find a reason to whine you bed amerikan.. You can even be a mod after that.. |
I do not want to whine
I do not want to be a mod
I do not like green eggs and ham
but maybe I will change my nickname to Sam!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 05:31 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta:
Could u tell me some members who dont post any bad post here elisabeth, daydreamer, catmoman,lady in red , and some turks who are adore of western |
Excuse me???? Please point out my bad posts.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:02 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Chantal: I believe every country has its own habits and rituals, which should be respected. |
I agree with that but what we are talking about here is racism and right to criticize of racism.
Racism is racism everywhere.
It should not be tolerated.
The nationalists (some of them though) in Turkey have no idea that the nationalism they know is nothing to do with the nationalism Ataturk was trying to create 100 years ago.
Nationalism was hijacked in 1940s by the fascist racists.
What they are right now is not better than, le pen in france or bnp in the uk or neo nazis in germany. |
Terrorism is terrorism everywhere too. when I said terrorism should not be tolerated. u called me racist. u said we must understand them. Ataturk created a country on a wreckage. and now u are trying to show it insignificant. Ataturk nationalism is not racism if u read about Ataturk.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:30 pm |
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Quoting lady in red: Quoting Lapinkulta:
Could u tell me some members who dont post any bad post here elisabeth, daydreamer, catmoman,lady in red , and some turks who are adore of western |
Excuse me???? Please point out my bad posts. |
As an example of cultural insensitivity let's look at these two comments about a photograph of young men kissing the hands of the older respected men in a village on Bayram. This is a very respected tradition in Turkey. Instead of making "witty" and disrespectful remarks, would it not have been better to actually find out what the photos were about?
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_7_28932
lady in red said: Well, I think......that they have all been down at the Men's Club drinking raki and turkish tea and this is the very long queue for the only tuvalet in the village.
Elisabeth said: well, you see, Roswitha...the first picture is the men's definition of work (standing around patting eachother on the back)...the second is a woman's definition of work (pulling an ox cart).
How to you think such comments make people feel? Are they respectful?
It is easy to cross over and insult people without the intention or even knowledge of one having done that when in discourse with diverse cultures. In this forum I think we need to be more attentive to cultural sensitivities.
Obviously the line has been crossed here. Instead of insisting one is right, how about trying to actually be more culturealy respectful?
Now let's get ready for the flames about my comment, which are sure to follow. Sorry, I do have another life and can not be here all the time to comment.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:33 pm |
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Alameda
I think you have no idea what sense of humor is..
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:42 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Alameda
I think you have no idea what sense of humor is.. |
I tend to agree.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:48 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting thehandsom: Alameda
I think you have no idea what sense of humor is.. |
I tend to agree. |
Careful you two. You will be charged with going off topic purely to cause insult to another member. Oh the horror!
Your punishment will be to have to endure more of this nonsense!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:52 pm |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting thehandsom: Alameda
I think you have no idea what sense of humor is.. |
I tend to agree. |
Careful you two. You will be charged with going off topic purely to cause insult to another member. Oh the horror!
Your punishment will be to have to endure more of this nonsense! |
OK FINE! If Alameda was Turkish, she would still have no sense of humor!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:53 pm |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting thehandsom: Alameda
I think you have no idea what sense of humor is.. |
I tend to agree. |
Careful you two. You will be charged with going off topic purely to cause insult to another member. Oh the horror!
Your punishment will be to have to endure more of this nonsense! |
haha
I know the scenario: First we will be insulted by a mod because of that and then the mod will say, no he was simply posting his opinions as a user and many blah blah will follow ....
I cant face it again.
I will stop it here. 
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:53 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Alameda
I think you have no idea what sense of humor is.. |
I am quite SURE of it!  Her posts are quite depressing most of the time... The few times she displayed a sense of humor it wasn't too bad! She should try it more often!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:56 pm |
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Quoting lady in red: Quoting Lapinkulta:
Could u tell me some members who dont post any bad post here elisabeth, daydreamer, catmoman,lady in red , and some turks who are adore of western |
Excuse me???? Please point out my bad posts. |
Simply because you are British and you don't praise Turkey and Turks makes you anti-Turkey!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:56 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: Alameda
I think you have no idea what sense of humor is.. |
I am quite SURE of it! Her posts are quite depressing most of the time... The few times she displayed a sense of humor it wasn't too bad! She should try it more often! |
Somewhere under that depressing mystique is roaring laughter just dying to get out!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:58 pm |
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Quoting alameda: As an example of cultural insensitivity let's look at these two comments about a photograph of young men kissing the hands of the older respected men in a village on Bayram. This is a very respected tradition in Turkey. Instead of making "witty" and disrespectful remarks, would it not have been better to actually find out what the photos were about? |
Alameda... nobody is required to be as culturally sensitive as you are. Please, don't discriminate against such people! This is a personal attack and an insult!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:59 pm |
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Quoting janissary: For along time on this site, disccussion oriented to damage and offend our National Emotions. I wont give the names but some members encouraged by moderators or Admin. criticizing is different, criticizin is different. Some things about this country may be strange to some foreigners but you must become to be familiar with this if u really love Turkey. U dont have to love what we do. we like to do it. a few ppl is saying really annoying thngs on this web site. but most of the turkish ppl like to do it. and we will live like this forever. We read Andımız in the morning for years and our chidren will read it in the future too. we read about Ataturk and even now we learn many things from him and our chidren will learn how to protect from his thoughts in the future.
if somethings come strange to you. just respect millions of turkish people and dont write bad comments. |
Simply all this is not true.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 08:00 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth:
OK FINE! If Alameda was Turkish, she would still have no sense of humor! |
True enough. The sad thing is alameda ain't the only one hanging around here with no sense of humor.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 08:01 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: As an example of cultural insensitivity let's look at these two comments about a photograph of young men kissing the hands of the older respected men in a village on Bayram. This is a very respected tradition in Turkey. Instead of making "witty" and disrespectful remarks, would it not have been better to actually find out what the photos were about? |
Alameda... nobody is required to be as culturally sensitive as you are. Please, don't discriminate against such people! This is a personal attack and an insult! |
Yes, I forgot to report it....I feel personally attacked and insulted! I won't be able to sleep tonight, and I will probably have TC log in anxiety tomorrow! I protest, I protest! That's IT! I am starting a thread now! I warned you all!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 08:04 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting thehandsom: Alameda
I think you have no idea what sense of humor is.. |
I tend to agree. |
I do agree too, I didnt see anything wrong on Lady's post, I dont think she was insulting no one. This only proves some poeples lack of sense of humor..offff
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 08:31 pm |
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Criticism makes one grow up, instead of whining as a baby.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 08:38 pm |
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Quoting Saskia1970: Criticism makes one grow up, instead of whining as a baby. |
+1
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 08:39 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: Alameda
I think you have no idea what sense of humor is.. |
I am quite SURE of it! Her posts are quite depressing most of the time... The few times she displayed a sense of humor it wasn't too bad! She should try it more often! |
Well, I don't consider belittling others culture to be funny. Evidently we have different ideas about what is acceptable to make a joke out of.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 08:41 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Well, I don't consider belittling others culture to be funny. Evidently we have different ideas about what is acceptable to make a joke out of. |
It's because you see it as belittling, we don't.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:00 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
Well, I don't consider belittling others culture to be funny. Evidently we have different ideas about what is acceptable to make a joke out of. |
And here you have proven handsom's point! People that can laugh at themselves are the best people to be around and it seems there are a few here that are unable to do that. Why is is so difficult for you to understand that not EVERYTHING has to be so damn serious? 
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:17 pm |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting alameda:
Well, I don't consider belittling others culture to be funny. Evidently we have different ideas about what is acceptable to make a joke out of. |
And here you have proven handsom's point! People that can laugh at themselves are the best people to be around and it seems there are a few here that are unable to do that. Why is is so difficult for you to understand that not EVERYTHING has to be so damn serious? |
You see, this is the difference girleegirl...laughing at oneself and laughing at anothers expense.
Unlike some, I do not look at life as one long joke.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:23 pm |
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Of course you don't....you would rather look at it like one long miserable post! Life must be very depressing for you alameda. I truly pity you.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:33 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
Unlike some, I do not look at life as one long joke. |
Life doesn't have to be a depressive, boring narrative. My life is full of color and fun and free will and love and humor with a mix of seriousness. You see, the difference is, I don't let the seriousness cloud everything else in my life. It's a choice.
Maybe you should try it sometime. You might actually enjoy yourself!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:47 pm |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting alameda:
Unlike some, I do not look at life as one long joke. |
Life doesn't have to be a depressive, boring narrative. My life is full of color and fun and free will and love and humor with a mix of seriousness. You see, the difference is, I don't let the seriousness cloud everything else in my life. It's a choice.
Maybe you should try it sometime. You might actually enjoy yourself! |
How your life is is not the point. The point is making fun of other people's culture. Making a joke out of revered cultural traditions is the point. There is nothing wrong with humor, but one should be mindful of at what expense that humor comes.
As to the humor or joy in my personal life or yours, that is a personal matter and not part of this discussion.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 10:19 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
How your life is is not the point. The point is making fun of other people's culture. Making a joke out of revered cultural traditions is the point. There is nothing wrong with humor, but one should be mindful of at what expense that humor comes.
As to the humor or joy in my personal life or yours, that is a personal matter and not part of this discussion. |
You go ahead and be mindful of whatever you want. Just don't expect everyone else to hold the same things sacred that you do.
I find nothing wrong with someone making a joke at the expense of my heritage because I can take a joke, but mostly because I am comfortable with who I am!!! And THAT is the biggest difference of all!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:00 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting girleegirl: Quoting alameda:
Unlike some, I do not look at life as one long joke. |
Life doesn't have to be a depressive, boring narrative. My life is full of color and fun and free will and love and humor with a mix of seriousness. You see, the difference is, I don't let the seriousness cloud everything else in my life. It's a choice.
Maybe you should try it sometime. You might actually enjoy yourself! |
How your life is is not the point. The point is making fun of other people's culture. Making a joke out of revered cultural traditions is the point. There is nothing wrong with humor, but one should be mindful of at what expense that humor comes.
As to the humor or joy in my personal life or yours, that is a personal matter and not part of this discussion. |
There is nothing wrong with humor as long as it adheres to your high moral standards? Your personal feelings about what is funny and what is not are hardly relevant either!!!
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:16 pm |
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i think the main mistake critising or judging another culture with our own cultural minds,and i think thats the reason of many troubles or problems of today between different cultures.But everything would be more easier and useful with the help of tolerated and understanding critism,and thats better to find answers of realities of all differences,even if they r very very odd or strange for us..
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:22 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Well, I don't consider belittling others culture to be funny. Evidently we have different ideas about what is acceptable to make a joke out of. |
It's because you see it as belittling, we don't. |
Alameda. . . give up . . . it's all falling on deaf ears
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:38 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Well, I don't consider belittling others culture to be funny. Evidently we have different ideas about what is acceptable to make a joke out of. |
I can see what you are trying to say. You want to respect what they want you to respect and you don't want to hurt their feelings. You think you are culturally sensitive, but in reality you are only being culturally "sensitive" to one side. Just because we don't attack, don't kill, don't rage, don't get personally insulted when you are insensitive to our values of free speech and free criticism doesn't give you the right to abuse us and abuse our tolerance and tell us that you are morally superior because you "respect other cultures, while we don't" and that we have to do things the same way you do.
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01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:39 pm |
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Quoting karpusqueen: Alameda. . . give up . . . it's all falling on deaf ears |
It goes both ways.
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03 Apr 2008 Thu 01:43 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting karpusqueen: Alameda. . . give up . . . it's all falling on deaf ears |
It goes both ways. |
Did somebody say something?
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