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1.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:23 pm

Right or wrong, I don't know. But this is just weird....

Pregnant Man in US

2.       Ebbyru
243 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:24 pm

i agree very strange is it real? some people think it's a hoax

3.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:27 pm

Well, it is real. The person was a woman and kept all the reproductive organs after a sex change operation. So, scientifically, it is believable.

4.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:32 pm

I don't know about this whole sex operation thing, some people have done. I find it quite odd and sad at the same time. You are either born a female or male, it should be as simple as that. But you hear some of these people who say they never felt like a girl, they were a boy in a girls body. It seems quite strange and I have a hard time comprehending it.

What I find sad is that I believe the children tend to suffer more than anything. Why can't people just be happy and content with how God or whoever made them?

5.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:38 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

I don't know about this whole sex operation thing, some people have done. I find it quite odd and sad at the same time. You are either born a female or male, it should be as simple as that. But you hear some of these people who say they never felt like a girl, they were a boy in a girls body. It seems quite strange and I have a hard time comprehending it.

What I find sad is that I believe the children tend to suffer more than anything. Why can't people just be happy and content with how God or whoever made them?


It is hard for me to comprehend this as well, but it is a real problem. There ARE people who feel trapped in their bodies. It must have something to do with a hormonal disturbance of the fetus.

6.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:41 pm

It is a biology issue. It has nothing to do with God or how God wants us. But I do feel sorry for children being brought up in these types of circumstances. This is the type of case where morality and legality meet head-on. Glad it is not for me to decide what is right here.

7.       Saskia1970
70 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:41 pm

See the story of a doctors examination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abu67tOtj7M

It's really touching, to see his emotions!

8.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:43 pm

Quoting KeithL:

It is a biology issue. It has nothing to do with God or how God wants us. But I do feel sorry for children being brought up in these types of circumstances. This is the type of case where morality and legality meet head-on. Glad it is not for me to decide what is right here.



I am with you on this one, Keith....I am glad it isn't up to me to make the decision between right and wrong. I have a friend who had this surgery. It is so emotionally painful for the family....all you can do is be there and try to be a good friend.

9.       geniuda
1070 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:47 pm

Quoting KeithL:

It is a biology issue. It has nothing to do with God or how God wants us. But I do feel sorry for children being brought up in these types of circumstances. This is the type of case where morality and legality meet head-on. Glad it is not for me to decide what is right here.


+10000.....

10.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:47 pm

Quoting KeithL:

It is a biology issue. It has nothing to do with God or how God wants us. But I do feel sorry for children being brought up in these types of circumstances. This is the type of case where morality and legality meet head-on. Glad it is not for me to decide what is right here.



Then why do I always hear gay people say "God made me this way". Is that an excuse?

11.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:53 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting KeithL:

It is a biology issue. It has nothing to do with God or how God wants us. But I do feel sorry for children being brought up in these types of circumstances. This is the type of case where morality and legality meet head-on. Glad it is not for me to decide what is right here.



Then why do I always hear gay people say "God made me this way". Is that an excuse?



I donno... But ultimately, as least in my opinion, He will have the final say....so I try not to judge. It is easy for me to say its wrong in my mind or wrong for me.

12.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:58 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting KeithL:

It is a biology issue. It has nothing to do with God or how God wants us. But I do feel sorry for children being brought up in these types of circumstances. This is the type of case where morality and legality meet head-on. Glad it is not for me to decide what is right here.



Then why do I always hear gay people say "God made me this way". Is that an excuse?


I think that is directly related to what Keith meant that it is biology, sort of "God made them this way", it was not their choice.

13.       geniuda
1070 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:02 pm

first of all, I must say I dont have anything agaisnt gays, most of the time this is their choice. I have a couple of close friends who are lesbians.I have always respected their preferences, but when they talk about the possibility of having a child either her or her gf (which ever the method, sex with a man or artificial insemination)then it makes me wonder...is it really fair for their child to be raised in this environment? are they giving their child the right to choose his/her sexual preference or is this going to be something seen as "normal" and eventually he/she will opt to follow the same pattern?
I do respect gays, but I am a little concern about their children..

14.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:07 pm

I would just like to point out that there is a distinct difference between being "gay" and being "transgendered". Being transgendered often has very little to do with sex but is an identity issue....at least that's what I have learned about it.

15.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:08 pm

I think there have been studies that show that children of homosexual couples don't have any problems.

16.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:09 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting KeithL:

It is a biology issue. It has nothing to do with God or how God wants us. But I do feel sorry for children being brought up in these types of circumstances. This is the type of case where morality and legality meet head-on. Glad it is not for me to decide what is right here.



Then why do I always hear gay people say "God made me this way". Is that an excuse?


I think that is directly related to what Keith meant that it is biology, sort of "God made them this way", it was not their choice.



My sons godfather is gay, I obviously don't have a problem with gay people. But I do have a different perspective on it. I have a very difficult time believing God made them that way. Having a gender operation is a choice, made by them. Just my opinion. I don't think it's right.

17.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:14 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

My sons godfather is gay, I obviously don't have a problem with gay people. But I do have a different perspective on it. I have a very difficult time believing God made them that way. Having a gender operation is a choice, made by them. Just my opinion. I don't think it's right.


Ok... many people would agree with you. This is not however what psychiatry thinks about it. During fetal development there has to be testosterone in order to make the baby male, it is possible that there are some disturbances that leave the baby's brain inconsistent with her/his reproductive organs.

18.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:17 pm

Most people cant comprehend it because they aren’t in living it but for people that are transgender……if having surgery is right for them, then I say more power to them!
I really just don’t understand why people are so uncomfortable with it. That’s what I struggle with….why would anyone else care if I am male, or female, or hermaphrodite, or transgender or whatever!!
I just can’t even imagine what they must go through. From the confusion about their gender, to the people on the streets that stare…..or worse. No one would choose that life. Keith is right….it is strictly biological.
And if this person is now a male because of gender reassignment, and is having a baby…yay for them!! How many children are born into “normal” couples and are abused, unloved, or unwanted?

19.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:19 pm

Quoting geniuda:

first of all, I must say I dont have anything agaisnt gays, most of the time this is their choice. I have a couple of close friends who are gays (lesbians).I have always respected their preference


It is NOT a choice...it is NOT a preference!

20.       geniuda
1070 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:21 pm

Quoting catwoman:

During fetal development there has to be testosterone in order to make the baby male, it is possible that there are some disturbances that leave the baby's brain inconsistent with her/his reproductive organs.


Scientifically, yes this might be true. What about the ones who switch their preferances after having a "sexual experience" with someone from the same gender?

21.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:23 pm

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting catwoman:

During fetal development there has to be testosterone in order to make the baby male, it is possible that there are some disturbances that leave the baby's brain inconsistent with her/his reproductive organs.


Scientifically, yes this might be true. What about the ones who switch their preferances after having a "sexual experience" with the someone from the same gender?



I think that is called curiosity, Genia .

22.       geniuda
1070 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:25 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:



I think that is called curiosity, Genia .


I think so too and maybe it has nothing to do with "biology"

23.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:25 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

My sons godfather is gay, I obviously don't have a problem with gay people. But I do have a different perspective on it. I have a very difficult time believing God made them that way. Having a gender operation is a choice, made by them. Just my opinion. I don't think it's right.


Ok... many people would agree with you. This is not however what psychiatry thinks about it. During fetal development there has to be testosterone in order to make the baby male, it is possible that there are some disturbances that leave the baby's brain inconsistent with her/his reproductive organs.




So then what about people who are married for years get divorce and find the same gender partner? Is it possible there is a disturbance during adulthood to? I'm not debating the issue, really. Just tend to think some people play the blame game that's all.

I also don't hold to much regard for psychiatry. Almost half the population is on some sort of anti-depressant thanks to psychiatry.

24.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:28 pm

Quoting teaschip1:



I also don't hold to much regard for psychiatry. Almost half the population is on some sort of anti-depressant thanks to psychiatry.



hehehe...I agree with this Teas....I use TC for my therapy!! It is free and has no side effects!

25.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:32 pm

Being Transgender part 1...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23138Dw5ODg&feature=related

26.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:32 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Most people cant comprehend it because they aren’t in living it but for people that are transgender……if having surgery is right for them, then I say more power to them!
I really just don’t understand why people are so uncomfortable with it. That’s what I struggle with….why would anyone else care if I am male, or female, or hermaphrodite, or transgender or whatever!!
I just can’t even imagine what they must go through. From the confusion about their gender, to the people on the streets that stare…..or worse. No one would choose that life. Keith is right….it is strictly biological.
And if this person is now a male because of gender reassignment, and is having a baby…yay for them!! How many children are born into “normal” couples and are abused, unloved, or unwanted?



Hey your from Cali, anything goes there. You could have martians living in your back yard and you would be ok with it. lol

I don't know why I feel this way, maybe it stems from my faith and upbringing. I believe God put man and woman on earth to marry and produce. The whole transgender thing, isn't in the equation. Maybe thats why I can't accept it.

27.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:38 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Hey your from Cali, anything goes there. You could have martians living in your back yard and you would be ok with it. lol

I don't know why I feel this way, maybe it stems from my faith and upbringing. I believe God put man and woman on earth to marry and produce. The whole transgender thing, isn't in the equation. Maybe thats why I can't accept it.


I can completely understand why this makes you uncomfortable, but I think we need to look at people as people first and any labels should go second or shouldn't matter really.

28.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:40 pm

Here's part 2 of the Being Transgender video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3d5QpxYwzU&feature=related

29.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:42 pm

Quoting teaschip1:


Hey your from Cali, anything goes there. You could have martians living in your back yard and you would be ok with it. lol


That's right teas...I'm a gay-lovin-tree-huggin Cali girl!!!

30.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 08:46 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

That's right teas...I'm a gay-lovin-tree-huggin Cali girl!!!


31.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 09:07 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting teaschip1:


Hey your from Cali, anything goes there. You could have martians living in your back yard and you would be ok with it. lol


That's right teas...I'm a gay-lovin-tree-huggin Cali girl!!!



Are you really a "girleegirl"? Or are you just saying that to throw us off? I have to say, from your picture the surgeon did a mighty fine job....you go girl???

32.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 09:30 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:


Are you really a "girleegirl"? Or are you just saying that to throw us off? I have to say, from your picture the surgeon did a mighty fine job....you go girl???


33.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 09:44 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Are you really a "girleegirl"? Or are you just saying that to throw us off? I have to say, from your picture the surgeon did a mighty fine job....you go girl???


lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
omg... I'm laughing mao...

34.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 09:59 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:


Are you really a "girleegirl"? Or are you just saying that to throw us off? I have to say, from your picture the surgeon did a mighty fine job....you go girl???


Yeah, I had a great doctor!! I took in pictures of Catherine Deneuve, Charlize Theron and Kate Winslet and said make me look about 70-80% like them!

35.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 10:04 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Yeah, I had a great doctor!! I took in pictures of Catherine Deneuve, Charlize Theron and Kate Winslet and said make me look about 70-80% like them!


I think she/he exceeded the expectations. I bet Catherine Deneuve, Charlize Theron and Kate Winslet are now trying to look like you!

36.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 10:14 pm

Quoting catwoman:


I think she/he exceeded the expectations. I bet Catherine Deneuve, Charlize Theron and Kate Winslet are now trying to look like you!


Awwww kitty you are my favorite person here today!!!

37.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 10:22 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Awwww kitty you are my favorite person here today!!!


Ohh... only today?

38.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:05 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting girleegirl:

Awwww kitty you are my favorite person here today!!!


Ohh... only today?


Ohhhhh...hhmmm..ok, how bout -
You are my favorite person here this week!!!!

39.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:07 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting KeithL:

It is a biology issue. It has nothing to do with God or how God wants us. But I do feel sorry for children being brought up in these types of circumstances. This is the type of case where morality and legality meet head-on. Glad it is not for me to decide what is right here.



Then why do I always hear gay people say "God made me this way". Is that an excuse?



Would it make you feel better if they said, "biology made me this way"?
(No pleasing the Christian Reich)

40.       incişka
746 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:15 pm

Here is a confession: I often feel like a boy I dont enjoy most things that girls do and im not girlie at all! When I was a child I pretended to be a boy :-S

Still... I dont think I will have a surgery

41.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:15 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Ohhhhh...hhmmm..ok, how bout -
You are my favorite person here this week!!!!


Much better! This way I only need to complement you once a week!

42.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:17 pm

Quoting incişka:

Here is a confession: I often feel like a boy I dont enjoy most things that girls do and im not girlie at all! When I was a child I thought I pretended to be a boy :-S

Still... I dont think I will have a surgery


Thank you for sharing Inciska. I guarantee you that there are plenty of women who feel the same way (and they don't need surgery either ).

43.       incişka
746 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:26 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting incişka:

Here is a confession: I often feel like a boy I dont enjoy most things that girls do and im not girlie at all! When I was a child I thought I pretended to be a boy :-S

Still... I dont think I will have a surgery


Thank you for sharing Inciska. I guarantee you that there are plenty of women who feel the same way (and they don't need surgery either ).



still... being a man.. would be nice.. But I know why God did not make me a man! I am a very quick tempered person, get angry so quickly and easily.. and im kind of voilent.. but as a girl, i can keep back.. if i were a man, i guess i would not be able to hold my anger back and beat up the people whenever i get mad with them!

44.       geniuda
1070 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:28 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

I took in pictures of Catherine Deneuve, Charlize Theron and Kate Winslet and said make me look about 70-80% like them!


GG..could you provide the name of the doctor?.. I want to become a man and look like George Clooney lol lol lol

45.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:32 pm

Quoting incişka:

still... being a man.. would be nice.. But I know why God did not make me a man! I am a very quick tempered person, get angry so quickly and easily.. and im kind of voilent.. but as a girl, i can keep back.. if i were a man, i guess i would not be able to hold my anger back and beat up the people whenever i get mad with them!


hahahahahah... thank God you're NOT a man!

46.       KeithL
1455 posts
 04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:57 pm

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting girleegirl:

I took in pictures of Catherine Deneuve, Charlize Theron and Kate Winslet and said make me look about 70-80% like them!


GG..could you provide the name of the doctor?.. I want to become a man and look like George Clooney lol lol lol



47.       geniuda
1070 posts
 05 Apr 2008 Sat 12:01 am

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting geniuda:

Quoting girleegirl:

I took in pictures of Catherine Deneuve, Charlize Theron and Kate Winslet and said make me look about 70-80% like them!


GG..could you provide the name of the doctor?.. I want to become a man and look like George Clooney lol lol lol




what?? dont you think he is handsome? it looks we have different tastes in men lol lol

48.       KeithL
1455 posts
 05 Apr 2008 Sat 12:06 am

for the record..I have no taste in men...

(Not there's anything wrong with that)

49.       geniuda
1070 posts
 05 Apr 2008 Sat 02:00 am

Quoting KeithL:

for the record..I have no taste in men...


......

50.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 05 Apr 2008 Sat 11:31 am

Here's the voice of a hillbilly raised Catholic in a homogeneous Polish society. We've never had problems with gays - if there were some, we wouldn't hear about them until early 90s. We've never had any problems with other races - there were some dark-skinned people at universities in big cities but we talked about them as often as we'd talk about wild animals in the zoo. So we lived happily in our tolerant, open-minded society until the aforementioned 90s.

Suddenly gay people started to appear out of nowhere and we blamed the 'evil' west for this kinky fad. To our surprise, the fad turned out not a fad and no matter how our government would criticise gay people in the media, and how much they'd ban gay protests and demonstrations, gays didn't give up and become 'normal and natural' the only Godly way. (BTW I think Poland is one of the few countries where president can call homosexuality aberration and not be sued for that).

I don't think anyone chooses to be gay or straight, although that's the theory some people circulate. I don't perceive it as a disease either and rehab-camps for gays that I've heard of are appalling. I had one bisexual friend at the uni. Once he organised his birthday in a gay club. I couldn't stay there longer than 30 min because the sight of guys cuddling guys was making me sick. But this is just my personal feeling, I'd never dare to claim that gay people should be discriminated.

I don't really get this 'natural/unnatural' argument used for criticising transsexual people. How much of this world is natural? If people are happier having become a different gender, what's wrong with that? Silicone boobs are no more natural than a rubber dong, still no "God Warriors" boycott them, do they? Of course there may are things unacceptable for us, but it doesn't give us the right to decide what is best for others. Transsexual people are no threat to society, just as gay people. Still, I'm quite against gay people adopting children. Not because I think children raised by gay people would be gay (this would mean that children raised by heterosexuals are straight) but because I find our societies unprepared for that. Children of gay couples may be a laughing stock for their peers which may have negative impact on them.

51.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 Apr 2008 Sat 10:47 pm

I totally agree with you, except for the last bit Maybe it changes from country to country, so tehre you could have a point, but recent studies in the Netherlands have shown that having homosexual parents does not influence the children.


I have 2 gay and one lesbian friend, and actually they are my closest friends. We know each other since we were only about 4 years old. And I can say that at the end of their primary education (at the age of 12 here), it started to become clear that these friends were 'heading towards homosexuality'. It is often heard that homosexual people already felt 'there was soemthing different' about them, in their young ages.. I dont think that in most cases it is just being bored or disappointed in the other sex. I dont think a man who cheats on you creates the curiosity to eat *****. Sorry to say so..

I don't think there is anything wrong with changing your gender. I dont remember the name, but there is an illness where babies (or actually their parents?) can 'choose' which gender they will 'become'. This may mean that a baby has a penis, but in the future may develop breasts as well. Or it has a vagina, but that in the future, the body may start to produce a lower voice, the bodybuilding of a man and facial hair. Such a person has to take medicine all their life, otherwise suddenly the male hormons in the female body will become too strong. I cant remember exactly what the name of this illness is, but I remember that a girl in my highschool had it. When she was at the age of, lets say 16, she was asked by the doctors if she wanted to go on taking 'female medicines' for the rest of their lives, or if she preferred 'the man inside' her, and wanted a transgender operation.

52.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Apr 2008 Sun 08:57 am

Quoting geniuda:


GG..could you provide the name of the doctor?.. I want to become a man and look like George Clooney lol lol lol


His name is Dr. Treatment....but I hear he recently lost his license to practice.

53.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 08:12 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Right or wrong, I don't know. But this is just weird....

Pregnant Man in US



I would not call this person either male or female. They obviously have both gender attributes. This condition is called a

Intersex person.

That is, they have both genders in one body.

This condition is becoming more prevelent with the increase in Endocrine Disruptors in our enviornment.

Gender Benders

'Some Health Consequences of DES

DES Daughters

Deformed uteruses, fallopian tubes, and ovaries
Lowered egg production
Higher rates of infertility, ectopic pregnancies, miscarriages, and premature babies
Higher rates of endometriosis, uterine tumors, breast tumors, and pituitary tumors
Increased frequency of ovarian cysts and abnormal follicles  Immune system problems
Abnormal glucose tolerance and glucose utilization
Abnormal development of gender-specific sexual behavior in DES offspring (feminized males and masculinized females), suggesting that DES caused abnormal sex differentiation during fetal development

DES Sons

Increased genital defects, undescended testicles, and stunted testicles and penises
Low sperm counts, abnormal sperm, and reduced fertility
Higher rates of testicular cancer at earlier ages
Immune system problems
Abnormal glucose tolerance and glucose utilization
Abnormal development of male sexual behavior'

Additionaly this person could be a

Chimera

'...the chimera is formed from the merger of two fraternal twins in a very early (zygote or blastocyst) phase. As such, they can be male, female, or hermaphroditic'

That is when twins do not separate and are fused into one body. When the twins are both male and female a condition such as this can happen. Again, this is a condition that was formerly not well known, but with the increase in IVF, it is increasing.

Lydia Fairchild

is a well documented case of a chimera.

54.       libralady
5152 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 09:34 pm

Actually this person is still a female who has been undergoing gender reorganistion, but yet to complete the transistion and still has female reproductive organs that work. His / her girlfriend artificially insemintated him / her with sperm they bought off the internet using a syringe.

Sorry if you eating or about to eat dinner! Mind boggling don't you think?

55.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 09:55 pm

It seems that we are having a lot of gender confusion today....maybe this pregnant man is our friend Ayadi?

56.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 10:07 pm

Quoting libralady:

Actually this person is still a female who has been undergoing gender reorganistion, but yet to complete the transistion and still has female reproductive organs that work. His / her girlfriend artificially insemintated him / her with sperm they bought off the internet using a syringe.

Sorry if you eating or about to eat dinner! Mind boggling don't you think?



Ummm....er...ah...I think we need to better come to grips with just what constitutes female and male.

57.       libralady
5152 posts
 18 Apr 2008 Fri 11:09 pm

Quoting alameda:

Quoting libralady:

Actually this person is still a female who has been undergoing gender reorganistion, but yet to complete the transistion and still has female reproductive organs that work. His / her girlfriend artificially insemintated him / her with sperm they bought off the internet using a syringe.

Sorry if you eating or about to eat dinner! Mind boggling don't you think?



Ummm....er...ah...I think we need to better come to grips with just what constitutes female and male.



Basically it is a con! The man is still a woman inside, but looks like a man on the outside! Does that make sense?

58.       teaschip
3870 posts
 19 Apr 2008 Sat 04:31 am

Buying sperm off the internet..now that I haven't heard of..My gosh, what the heck is this world coming too. People having sex with animals, buying sperm off the internet, sex changes...

I don't think this is in the big plan he has for us...just my opinion.

59.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Apr 2008 Sat 09:04 am

Quoting teaschip:



I don't think this is in the big plan he has for us...just my opinion.



That's why I prefer abiding by the thought that there is no "him" or "his plan"

60.       libralady
5152 posts
 19 Apr 2008 Sat 01:14 pm

Quoting teaschip:

Buying sperm off the internet..now that I haven't heard of..My gosh, what the heck is this world coming too. People having sex with animals, buying sperm off the internet, sex changes...

I don't think this is in the big plan he has for us...just my opinion.



Where have you been??? There is nothing you can't buy on the internet.

61.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 21 Apr 2008 Mon 12:29 am

Quoting libralady:

Where have you been??? There is nothing you can't buy on the internet.




Hahahaha Excellent.

62.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 21 Apr 2008 Mon 12:30 am

Quoting Daydreamer:


That's why I prefer abiding by the thought that there is no "him" or "his plan"



My thought exactly!

63.       teaschip
3870 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 10:03 pm

Nah..Ates could this be you...

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