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Şark Islahat Planı 1925
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Apr 2008 Sun 11:41 am

Şark Islahat Planı 1925
I never knew this document existed (shame on me!!). But, I came across when I was reading one of my favorite teacher/politician/academic baskin oran's articles.
"Şark Islahat Planı 1925" can be translated as "plan for eastern restoration/rehabilitation 1925".

I wont go and try to translate every item of it but I think some of them needs translation to make kurdish issue, we are facing right now, more clear and stop the confusion about if there was an asimilation or we/Turks what mistakes we made about it etc.


Actually, a very similar plan is prepared during army intervention during 1960s..(I am sure it was followed by the generals and the deep state during 1980s)
Anyway the gist of it:

asimilation: it wants the assimilation of kurds.

item 14: it mentions what needs to be done for temassul (means assimilation): opening 'Türk Ocakları-racist/turk associations/clubs-, mükemmel kız mektepleri-perfect girls schools-, leyli iptidailer-boarding schools '

colonization
item 5: immigrants from Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Azerbaycan and plus laz population were going to sent to kurdish areas
migration:
item numbers 5., 9. and 15: say that kurds should be moved with their families to the places where turks live.
abstraction:
item 2: it says that east should have 5 different areas and item nimber 25 says that foreigners should not be let enter the area without permission
missionaries:
item 15: ..recommends that boys and girls should be raised as missionaries and they should be supported for higher education

and also in the plan at 1960, they added something to what we had in 1925
- teaching kurds that they are turks
-explaining the intellects of the world that turkey does not have kurdish problem
-and establishing anew institute which will prove that kurts are actually 'mountain turks'

sourcesturkish)
http://nedir.net/sark-islahat-plani.html
http://www.radikal.com.tr/ek_haber.php?ek=r2&haberno=7931

2.       incişka
746 posts
 23 Apr 2008 Wed 11:36 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

- teaching kurds that they are turks
-and establishing anew institute which will prove that kurts are actually 'mountain turks'



How stupid! Let them be Kurds! What's wrong with that? Does everyone living in Turkey have to be Turk? If I were a Kurd, I would never want to say "I am a Turk". I would only say "I'm a citizen of Turkey".

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 02:18 am

Quoting incişka:

Quoting thehandsom:

- teaching kurds that they are turks
-and establishing anew institute which will prove that kurts are actually 'mountain turks'



How stupid! Let them be Kurds! What's wrong with that? Does everyone living in Turkey have to be Turk? If I were a Kurd, I would never want to say "I am a Turk". I would only say "I'm a citizen of Turkey".


incişka, thank you for posting something to this.
Somehow, nobody wanted to say anything about it.

BUT, actually, in fact, those documents are a serious blow and a slap on the face to anybody who insists that we treated kurds fairly and equally.

When you hear people are saying 'ah no. there was no assimilation at all. The problem is just the terrorism.' etc, i really think those people dont know much about what the real problem is!!

4.       gernas
58 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 02:43 am

thanks handsome for the useful information, enlightening how organized the republic of (only) turks has been beginning from the very early days even ottoman days...

enlightenment started in 17th century for the civilized people of the world (though some faced the shame hitler and musollini caused, but they almost overcame it)... what a pity some are still late for that! still many defending those stupid "secret" plans, see şemdinli bombing by state forces to a bookstore run by a kurd as a most recent act accordingly or fresh statements of the head of turkish history institution (türk tarih kurumu)claiming kurds arent still kurds (this institution calls armenians to handle the issue of genocide in an impartial, objective meeting), or the turkish prime minister not saying hi to the kurdish parliamentarian at the 23rd april reception...

how many more years, how many more centuries will it be like this!

i honestly want a noah's flood for my country! and honestly i want to be the first to get drowned for sake of better generations who truly deserve taking breath and drink water on these beautiful land!

5.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:21 am

Cheers Handsom, that surely shed some light on the non-existent Kurdish problem. I'm waiting to hear opinions on the source - I'm betting on Kurdish provocation

There are two ways to brainwash everybody - one is by constantly repeating there are no Kurds in Turkey and I'm sure this one can be proven (throughout history bigger lies found scientific explanations); the other by making society believe they are threatened by Kurds. Here, PKK paradoxically does a good job to the Turkish government because they can use it as proof of Kurdish violence against the republic Turks love so much.

Too bad those means work and we see Turks saying they have no problem with Kurds, that it's Kurds who have a problem with Turkey for no reason. The beasts.

6.       janissary
0 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 01:41 pm

At last, you will get a big zero. u are trying to satisfy urself but in turkey everything is not as u told to foreign ppl. we know this. I dont care what others and europen Union thinks. coz there is one thing that all ppl when come to turkey forgets what u post here and sees the reality. the modern Turkey. it wont work, keep working! Im just laughing at you. but I DONT UNDERSTAND ONE THİNG. HOW COME u all hate turkey, come together on this language site.

7.       janissary
0 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 01:46 pm

""""Şark Islahat Planı 1925 """"

thank you. I didnt know this coz my history teacher was pregnant when we came to this topic... what is the other subject? Big miedle east project??? btw where where u from handsom in turkey????????????

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 05:25 pm

Quoting janissary:

""""Şark Islahat Planı 1925 """"

thank you. I didnt know this coz my history teacher was pregnant when we came to this topic... what is the other subject? Big miedle east project??? btw where where u from handsom in turkey????????????


Haha..
Well..I dont think the result will be much different if your teacher was pregnant or 'in process of getting pregnant' at the time of that topic.
You would not get it anyway! lol

9.       incişka
746 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 07:10 pm


Quoting thehandsom:


Haha..
Well..I dont think the result will be much different if your teacher was pregnant or 'in process of getting pregnant' at the time of that topic.
You would not get it anyway! lol

10.       incişka
746 posts
 24 Apr 2008 Thu 07:16 pm

Quoting janissary:

""""Şark Islahat Planı 1925 """"

thank you. I didnt know this coz my history teacher was pregnant when we came to this topic... what is the other subject? Big miedle east project??? btw where where u from handsom in turkey????????????



Do u think that EVERYTHING is written in history books? If there was such a plan, it would of course be a secret one. At least, Handsom has got references to it. And he wanted to share. Have u got references to support yourself too? I will never be sure on some historical issues cos they are presented to us in the way "some" people want. But that doesnt mean this şark ıslahat planı should be a lie. It is all matter of history now anyway... It was in 1925 We better look at present and to the future.

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