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EU/Turks and a survey
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07 Jun 2008 Sat 09:51 am |
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Good points Cynimistics, still, I'd rather live in that Europe whose dream is about to end than outside it. As for mixed ethnicity, I don't think the problem is different backgrounds coexisting, the problem is when extended families live off social welfare rather than work. Have a look at the USA, they are a melting pot and somehow for 200 years they have been pulling it off.
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 12:05 am |
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I somewhat don't see you living in Bulgaria anytime soon 
Quoting Daydreamer: Good points Cynimistics, still, I'd rather live in that Europe whose dream is about to end than outside it. As for mixed ethnicity, I don't think the problem is different backgrounds coexisting, the problem is when extended families live off social welfare rather than work. Have a look at the USA, they are a melting pot and somehow for 200 years they have been pulling it off. |
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 09:51 am |
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I definitely wouldn't mind the weather! I spent a nice holiday there a few years ago and loved the place. Still, sure I'm not planning to live there. That's because of money. Simple. That's why I no longer live in Poland although it's in EU as well. But, given a chance to make as much money in Turkey and Bulgaria I think I'd go for Bulgaria. The more I learn about Turkey the least attractive a place to live it seems. Holidays - anytime. But as a place to live, Bulgaria wins - at least I'd be able to watch You Tube  and not be hassled in the streets
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14 Jun 2008 Sat 02:55 am |
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I can certainly respect that. However, you should also keep in mind that there is a very large number of Europeans already living in Turkey. Bodrum, a very trendy holiday destination on the Aegean has many & many Europeans who own houses/estates, and live there through out the year. Antalya, by the Mediterranean, is almost exclusively owned by Russians now, who have bought 7 invested in a lot real estate. Istanbul, particularly the historic Galata section has many houses owned by the English.
And, perhaps to your very surprise, they seem to be doing just fine in terms of "getting beaten in the streets".
They are watching youtube as well.
Quoting Daydreamer: I definitely wouldn't mind the weather! I spent a nice holiday there a few years ago and loved the place. Still, sure I'm not planning to live there. That's because of money. Simple. That's why I no longer live in Poland although it's in EU as well. But, given a chance to make as much money in Turkey and Bulgaria I think I'd go for Bulgaria. The more I learn about Turkey the least attractive a place to live it seems. Holidays - anytime. But as a place to live, Bulgaria wins - at least I'd be able to watch You Tube and not be hassled in the streets |
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14 Jun 2008 Sat 10:51 am |
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Quoting cynicmystic: I can certainly respect that. However, you should also keep in mind that there is a very large number of Europeans already living in Turkey. Bodrum, a very trendy holiday destination on the Aegean has many & many Europeans who own houses/estates, and live there through out the year. Antalya, by the Mediterranean, is almost exclusively owned by Russians now, who have bought 7 invested in a lot real estate. Istanbul, particularly the historic Galata section has many houses owned by the English.
And, perhaps to your very surprise, they seem to be doing just fine in terms of "getting beaten in the streets".
They are watching youtube as well. |
Of course there are. But not for their love of Turkey's politics but rather for the Mediterranean climate and relatively cheap prices
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14 Jun 2008 Sat 05:51 pm |
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You are wrong again my friend.
The prices in Istanbul are actually comparable to Europe. I am not sure when you travelled to Turkey last time, but I can assure you that living in Turkey as a foreigner is not, on the contrary to popular belief, much cheaper than living in Europe. A lot of Europeans wouldn't be able to afford quite a bit of the real estate in Turkey as it is quite expensive.
Regarding your fine point about living in a country "not because of their love of Turkish politics", I should say that i love the logic of illogicality in this statement. I live in Canada, and prior to that I used to live in the US, Italy, England, South Wales etc etc. Do you really think that I chose these countries because I fell in love with their politics?
On a more personal thought, I would like to remind you that, although you are free to live where ever you like or vacation where ever you please, do not make the false assupmtion to think that "living in Turkey" is basically a decision dependent on your choice. You aren't that privilidged. Sure, you could pay your $30 visa at the airport and come for a vacation. However, it is quite likely that even if you bust your ass in the process, as a foreigner, you may not be given permission or be able to afford to live in Turkey, or get a work permit, simply because Turkey isn't gagging to attract clowns to honour us by choosing to live amongst us.
Quoting Daydreamer:
Of course there are. But not for their love of Turkey's politics but rather for the Mediterranean climate and relatively cheap prices |
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| 26. |
14 Jun 2008 Sat 06:02 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: I definitely wouldn't mind the weather! I spent a nice holiday there a few years ago and loved the place. Still, sure I'm not planning to live there. That's because of money. Simple. That's why I no longer live in Poland although it's in EU as well. But, given a chance to make as much money in Turkey and Bulgaria I think I'd go for Bulgaria. The more I learn about Turkey the least attractive a place to live it seems. Holidays - anytime. But as a place to live, Bulgaria wins - at least I'd be able to watch You Tube and not be hassled in the streets |
Yaaaay!!!! Go to Bulgaria...you go girl! I'm pretty sure Turkey will do just fine without you and your enlightened ideas.
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14 Jun 2008 Sat 07:13 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting Daydreamer: I definitely wouldn't mind the weather! I spent a nice holiday there a few years ago and loved the place. Still, sure I'm not planning to live there. That's because of money. Simple. That's why I no longer live in Poland although it's in EU as well. But, given a chance to make as much money in Turkey and Bulgaria I think I'd go for Bulgaria. The more I learn about Turkey the least attractive a place to live it seems. Holidays - anytime. But as a place to live, Bulgaria wins - at least I'd be able to watch You Tube and not be hassled in the streets |
Yaaaay!!!! Go to Bulgaria...you go girl! I'm pretty sure Turkey will do just fine without you and your enlightened ideas.
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We, Turks are known with our hospitality..
She (or anybody) is welcomed to live in my country if you (they) choose to!!
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| 28. |
15 Jun 2008 Sun 09:58 am |
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Quoting cynicmystic: You are wrong again my friend.
The prices in Istanbul are actually comparable to Europe. I am not sure when you travelled to Turkey last time, but I can assure you that living in Turkey as a foreigner is not, on the contrary to popular belief, much cheaper than living in Europe. |
Right, but people who get their retirement in GBP do better than those living off Turkish pension. The last time I went there was summer 2006 and the prices didn't really knock me off my feet. They were more or less like in Poland and Poland is not the most expensive of all countries.
Quote: Regarding your fine point about living in a country "not because of their love of Turkish politics", I should say that i love the logic of illogicality in this statement. I live in Canada, and prior to that I used to live in the US, Italy, England, South Wales etc etc. Do you really think that I chose these countries because I fell in love with their politics? |
I don't know your reasons, but since you emigrated, I assume that it was because of money. In other words, you prefer foreign monetary policy or foreign economy to Turkish one. Thus, it proves my point. Unless you did it for British food, Italian "ordnung" or Canadian climate, you went there because of their politics.
Quote: On a more personal thought, I would like to remind you that, although you are free to live where ever you like or vacation where ever you please, do not make the false assupmtion to think that "living in Turkey" is basically a decision dependent on your choice. You aren't that privilidged. Sure, you could pay your $30 visa at the airport and come for a vacation. However, it is quite likely that even if you bust your ass in the process, as a foreigner, you may not be given permission or be able to afford to live in Turkey, or get a work permit, simply because Turkey isn't gagging to attract clowns to honour us by choosing to live amongst us. |
I agree you have enough clowns among yourselves and thus do not need any more to come. Still, I haven't noticed anyone being refused a visa when coming on holiday. So, somehow you live off those clowns (so much for Turkish hospitality myth ). Also, the tone of your post suggests that you are slightly irritated and I don't see why. Does the fact that I'd choose Bulgaria over Turkey annoys you so much? Panik yapma. I'm not planning to move to Bulgaria anyway. It was a thought on personal freedom and rights. Also, I know that many people decide to live in Turkey and I have nothing against their decision, I don't think they went crazy as Turkey is a beautiful country with great food. Yet, I am going to insist that it is the weather and prices, not the politics that attract people there (unless it's marriage but that's another story).
Quoting alameda: Yaaaay!!!! Go to Bulgaria...you go girl! I'm pretty sure Turkey will do just fine without you and your enlightened ideas. |
UUUUuuuuu honey, calm down or you'll choke on your veil. Don't tell me you don't get the notion of conditional mood. It was merely a speculation  An American getting angry at me for not planning to move to Turkey. How cool is that? Oh, and I know I don't match your enlightened idea of a Turkish citizen. I'd never live to breed, I'd never bow my head down at a man or listen and obey. Your way is not mine, so, don't be afraid - immigrate to Turkey without the fear of me becoming your next-door neighbour
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| 29. |
15 Jun 2008 Sun 10:27 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer:
Quoting alameda: Yaaaay!!!! Go to Bulgaria...you go girl! I'm pretty sure Turkey will do just fine without you and your enlightened ideas. |
UUUUuuuuu honey, calm down or you'll choke on your veil. |
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