do the English celebrate their defeat in Turkey today?

do the English celebrate their defeat in Turkey today?

do Turks celebrate 12th Aug their defeat in the battle of Vienna?

do the Polish celebrate september 1st their defeat against Hitler ? But wait a minute, did they even fight against Hitler?

Yeap we celebrate 1st September but it wasn´t our defeat - READ TAMI< READ< IT DOESN"T HURT- do you think the Germans came to our borders on 1st Sept and immediately defeated us? That would be undoable . Actually Poland didn´t give in untill 5th Oct when we ran out of ammo, got our airfoce destroyed and our capital bombed to ruins. BUt, on the upside, we also celebrate 8th May the Victory Day

victory day? lol, whose victory? it was Russia who defeated Germany.

and again, read, read my boy Of course it would be impossible without Russia and The Aliants but Poles did have many troops left to fight, at the crucial time even Polish children would disarm Natzis

i can imagine that scene actually. The Polish heroes declare their victory slightly after the Russians make the Germans resign. we apreciate their efforts!

READ

Then you´ll know that if it hadn´t been for Russia Polish Army wouldn´t have been defeated in the first place Secondly, Polish Army fought all through the war, read about it Then, Russia did a way worse thng to us and killed numerous people throught years of communism in Poland. And it´s not only Polish heroes but international forces who declared victory Now i understand why Turks are so far away on the list concerning education. You don´t know the fact and draw conclusions

Tami´s World History:

All nations are bad, only Turks are great, important and heroic. That´s why the EU doesn´t want them and why tami lives in the USA The world has a conspiracy theory against Muslims, that´s why Muslim terrorist organisations admit terrorism.

Whatever fits ya kido

But, seriously, READ my boy cause you´re embarrassing yourself

what am I supposed to read DD? Polish contribution to the WWII? it`s the slaughter of Jews. You`ve never learned about it in school?

what am I supposed to read DD? Polish contribution to the WWII? it`s the slaughter of Jews. You`ve never learned about it in school?

You´ve already lost that debate on the Jews in Jedwabne tami

Bad Nazists killed Jews, Poles died saving them, that´s why we have annual Remembrance Marches and that´s why many Jews are still grateful to us. And you fail to recognise that Poland used to be one of the most tolerant countries in Europe hence that high number of Jews in Poland. But you choose what to believe yourself, even against the facts, don´t you tamiboy?

I know you can´t gt over Vienna and the fact that I´m not a nationalist like yourself...if you want to point out Polish bad moments in history here´s some help:

- Poles lead to having Poland wiped out of world maps because they were so quarrelsome that the three world powers did that easily and Poland hasn´t rebuilt until 1918

- Poland is dependant on the catholic Church, officially we´re secular but Church has too much influence

- our president´s a bonehead (you could like him actually)

- we lick America´s bottom (again, something you know from experience )

- Bismarck said "Poles will never be able to govern themselves" and it´s true - get two Poles, you´ve got 3 viewpoints We´re good at fighting enemies, during peace we get at each other´s throat

- we´re corrupt

- we believe the whole world loved John Paul II

You´ve already lost that debate on the Jews in Jedwabne tami

Bad Nazists killed Jews, Poles died saving them, that´s why we have annual Remembrance Marches and that´s why many Jews are still grateful to us. And you fail to recognise that Poland used to be one of the most tolerant countries in Europe hence that high number of Jews in Poland. But you choose what to believe yourself, even against the facts, don´t you tamiboy?

A televised documentary on the World War II massacre of Jewish villagers by their Polish neighbors is picking up where a book´s revelations left off, shocking even more households with the awful reality.

"I have heard about the massacre and read a little about it, but the film made me very painfully aware that something very terrible really took place there," Magdalena Raczkowska, 35, an office clerk said today.

Recent revelations about the 1941 massacre in Jedwabne and nearby communities in northeastern Poland have stunned the country and devastated the national assumption, nurtured in the communist era, that Poles were always victims and never collaborators in Nazi-era atrocities.

Poles were confronted with the reality in their living rooms for the first time when Part I of the documentary, titled "Neighbors" was aired on state television Tuesday night, viewed by an estimated 2 million people in the nation of 40 million. The second and final part of the documentary compiled by Polish journalist Agnieszka Arnold will air tonight.

In the documentary, Arnold interviews witnesses, participants and survivors of the massacre of an estimated 1,600 Jews in Jedwabne and 800 in Radzilow and other nearby villages.

Seeing and hearing witnesses on film intensified the shock even for Poles already trying to confront the truth about what happened in Jedwabne.

"It was a very gloomy, very disturbing and shocking piece of truth about us, about our past," Barbara Labuda, an adviser to President Aleksander Kwasniewski, said today in a radio interview.

Teresa Kaminska, who heads a team of advisers to Prime Minister Jerzy Buzek, said it was the "most shocking documentary I have seen in recent years."

"...It happened on our land, our compatriots did it, so we absolutely have to discuss it and we have to seek pardon," she said.

"How can you understand that people who for thousand years lived side by side, who participated in each other´s holidays, in everyday life, suddenly become enemies?"

In the documentary, some Poles from around Jedwabne are shown recalling the massacre in a matter-of-fact way; others say they still suffer when they think of it. Jewish survivors also talk of their lives and escapes, and there are accounts of Poles who helped save Jews from the pogroms.

Those interviewed include two Jedwabne teenagers who say they want to know the truth about what happened in their village.

Acceptance about what really happened in Jedwabne has been difficult for a nation that lost 6.5 million citizens, including 3 million Polish Jews, under Nazi occupation.

A monument blaming the Jedwabne massacre on Nazi troops was removed last month and will be replaced with one listing the names of the victims.

President Aleksander Kwasniewski has said he will offer an apology in July on the 60th anniversary of the killings, and Poland´s new National Remembrance Institute has launched its own investigation.

OMG I seem to have restarted WW11 again with my innocent wishes to the English and Turkish peoples on their special days.  Whatever happened to respect? For my part I had a cup of tea and a scone. I had to miss out the clotted cream,butter and strawbery jam for health reasons.

Whatever happened to respect?

it`s not a familiar word for daydreamer the dobrowski

you screwed up the thread, dd!

 I utterly forgot to mention Poles flooded The Uk, Eire, The Netherlands and are on their march to take over the rest of Europe

Awww sorry I keep forgetting that barking dogs should be ignored, we´ve got a lovely saying in Polish - dogs bark and the caravan goes on

Still, I´ve got this teacher´s stamina to educate those who need it

Here something about Polish-Jewish relations (from a Jewish site so should be non-biased )

"It has been pointed out that anti-Semitism is not the same thing as mass murder. Polish anti-Semitism never envisioned wholesale murder."

The discussion about Jedwabne where you were proven wrong wrong and wrong again (something you´re used to, degil mi? )

As for respect - I bothered to reply, isn´t that sign of respect? You´re just so funny in a nice way that I can´t resist replying

Libralady - fair point! I utterly forgot to mention Poles flooded The Uk, Eire, The Netherlands and are on their march to take over the rest of Europe

I`m sorry to disappoint you dd, but that saying is a Turkish one, not Polish.  "it urur, kervan yurur"

But considering you have adapted it to your language, I assume your ancestors were constantly exposed to that saying. That explains a lot about you!

Could be, tamiboy After all Poles and Turks met in Vienna. Too bad after that meeting kervan bir daha yurumedi

still stuck with Vienna? traumatic, eh?