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What is pan-Turanianism?
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 28 Apr 2008 Mon 03:31 pm

Pan-Turanian activists have developed a fascinating mythology with respect to the origins of the Turks. This is the legend of a certain “Boz Kurt” (Grey Wolf) who roared out to the ancestors of the Turks and the Huns to migrate west from their homelands in Siberia and Central Asia. The Grey Wolf then allegedly pointed the way west and south: presumably against Persia, Anatolia, the Caucasus, the Near East, Russia, Ukraine, the Balkans, Greece and Western Europe.

It must be made clear once again that the majority of the people of Turkey do not support pan-Turanianism. Pan-Turanianism represents a minority opinion at best. The majority of Turks are disinterested in chauvinistic violence and expansionism.

Pan-Turanianism is a racialist movement that not only threatens Iran, but Greece, Armenia, Russia, Ukraine and even (to a more limited extent) China. If unchecked, Pan-Turanianism may become as dangerous to international peace and stability as Islamic fundamentalism has became today.

2.       Myra
92 posts
 28 Apr 2008 Mon 04:30 pm

Facinating information.

3.       incişka
746 posts
 28 Apr 2008 Mon 09:56 pm

why is it so dangerous?

4.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 28 Apr 2008 Mon 10:31 pm

Ultra nationalism ... Hrant Dink ... Malatya ... Ergenekon

Just join up the dots and follow the links.

5.       incişka
746 posts
 29 Apr 2008 Tue 12:16 am

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

Ultra nationalism ... Hrant Dink ... Malatya ... Ergenekon

Just join up the dots and follow the links.



I dont think the main idea of Turanism was that when it first emerged.. Like many other -ism's people has changed it the way they like so they could use it as a mask to cover their real dirty souls.

6.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Apr 2008 Tue 12:53 am

Can somebody explain in more detail what is Ergenekon? A sect? I do see the symbol of the grey wolf movement here:

http://www.ulkusohbet.com/modules/Duvar_Kagitlari/ergenekon.jpg

pls. what do these Turkish words mean?

7.       incişka
746 posts
 29 Apr 2008 Tue 01:07 am

Quoting Roswitha:

Can somebody explain in more detail what is Ergenekon? A sect? I do see the symbol of the grey wolf movement here:

http://www.ulkusohbet.com/modules/Duvar_Kagitlari/ergenekon.jpg

pls. what do these Turkish words mean?



Ergenekon yurdun adı
Börteçine kurdun adı
Dört yüz sene durdun haydi
Çık ey yüz bin mızrağımız!!

Ergenekon is the name of our land
Börteçine is the name of the wolf (female wolf)
You have been silent for 4 hundred years,
Turn up,hey, our 1hundred lances!!

The ergenekon in this poem has nothing to do with the Ergenekon that's seen in the news these days. The Ergenekon is the place where Turks lived in peace but trapped surrounded by the mountains for a long time until the wolf turned up and showed the way out to Turks This is a Turkish legend

8.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Apr 2008 Tue 01:14 am

Imazing, how well you translate Turkish. Good for you. I thank you.

9.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Apr 2008 Tue 01:20 am

If you want to know more about PanTurianism or PanTurkism (these two are not the same but rather close), you can read the work of Ziya Gökalp. In the time of Atatürk, he wrote a work about Türkçülük (he uses the german Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft in it, but changes him according to a turkish system). He bounces somewhat between pan-turkism and pan-turianism, but it sure is an interesting read.

It is interesting to mention he was a Kurd though. It somewhat implies his thoughts were like the Türkiyeli that Atatürk meant (İ guess).


(this is the panturanianism in its old version though.. i dont think it was as racist as it is now... I advice all people to stay away from Ülkücü people!! )

10.       incişka
746 posts
 29 Apr 2008 Tue 01:25 am

Türkiyeli!!! That's what I want in Turkey!!! So no any ethnic people will be uncomfortable with it. Not Türk first, but Türkiyeli first. I dont mean to assimilate minorities, I always support them, but I think they should support Türkiye too. a lot to be done

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