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Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated
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120.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 26 May 2008 Mon 01:17 pm

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

I think the world would be a better place without human beings!!!



Except me



No exceptions!!! we are all the same!!

selfish! polluting! eating! pissing!

we dont deserve this beautiful world i guess!!

121.       magnadea
0 posts
 26 May 2008 Mon 01:19 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:


No exceptions!!! we are all the same!!

selfish! polluting! eating! pissing!

we dont deserve this beautiful world i guess!!



I agree with you 80%, but we DO add to it's beauty in the form of art, poetry, music etc.

122.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 26 May 2008 Mon 01:21 pm

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting SuiGeneris:


No exceptions!!! we are all the same!!

selfish! polluting! eating! pissing!

we dont deserve this beautiful world i guess!!



I agree with you 80%, but we DO add to it's beauty in the form of art, poetry, music etc.



well the music we do has been seen with Eurovision

123.       magnadea
0 posts
 26 May 2008 Mon 01:23 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

well the music we do has been seen with Eurovision



Oh God - you are right
Yes - we need to rid this world of such vile noise! lol

124.       alameda
3499 posts
 26 May 2008 Mon 10:27 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting alameda:

"The problem exists despite Islam, but Islam openly encourages it (along with other gender racisms), which consequently leads to what is called "gender apartheidt" in Islam."

This is laughable, do you really think women are as strong as men? Could you come out on top if a man decided to use his strength against you? Gender aparthide.....get real. The fact that males are larger and stronger than females is not the fault of Islam.

BTW gender and race are different.



What? I see now why some Muslim women are so eager to defend men's actions - they consider them superior just because they're physically stronger

You know, I'm quite big and I could easily get on top of many men (dirty westerners- stop giggling - not in THAT sense). Does that make me superior? Cool



Daydreamer, read again. I did not say men are superior to women, I said they are physically stronger. There is a difference.

No matter how large you are, I seriously doubt you could win a contest of strength against a male. Remember, sports are segregated by gender?

Get real!

125.       alameda
3499 posts
 26 May 2008 Mon 10:40 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


I think this is twisting the fact a bit though..
With your reasoning, we can not talk about equality between humans.
Even with the same gender (For example, I always think, I am stronger than an average japanese man because they are smaller )



The fact of the matter is most people learn to cooperate because they have something to gain, the good feeling from being nice, or it could be they prefer compliance.

We do see the strategy, "Might makes Right" though, don't we? People often use what ever power they have to get what they want, or think they deserve.

If you went against a Japanese man, you may be surprised, as many are skilled in Martial Arts. You see, they developed a strategy to deal with things. Perhaps a careful analysis of just exactly what one's strengths are is a good idea, don't you think?

126.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 26 May 2008 Mon 10:55 pm

Quoting alameda:


Daydreamer, read again. I did not say men are superior to women, I said they are physically stronger. There is a difference.

No matter how large you are, I seriously doubt you could win a contest of strength against a male. Remember, sports are segregated by gender?

Get real!


There are plenty of weak and feeble men out there and plenty of women who are physically stronger! As in all things, it depends on the individual.

Why does it seem that you like to put people in little boxes and stereotype them?

127.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 27 May 2008 Tue 10:48 am

Quoting alameda:



This is laughable, do you really think women are as strong as men? Could you come out on top if a man decided to use his strength against you? Gender aparthide.....get real. The fact that males are larger and stronger than females is not the fault of Islam.




Ok, I read your post again. Still, I discovered nothing new. I wonder what hidden message it carried. You justified gender apartheid by false assumption males are stronger than women. That's a bit of a generalisation, aint't it? Besides, what I objected to was to use strength as criterion of segregation. Men and women differ - it's obvious and only those who have never seen a naked men and woman can claim otherwise. However, it's not what gender apartheid is about

Using your favourite means of enlighting the crowds:

Wikipedia definition of Gender Apartheid

I. What is Gender Apartheid?

Apartheid is the "strict racial segregation as practiced in South Africa."Gender apartheid has been used to describe the strict gender-based segregation currently practiced in Afghanistan.

Gender apartheid began in Afghanistan in September 1996, when the Taliban militia took over the capital of Afghanistan, Kabul.The Taliban militia is a fundamentalist group that claims to represent pure Islamic principles.2 However, most Muslim countries condemn the practices of the Taliban as being un-Islamic.

As of 1998, the Taliban controlled at least 85% of Afghanistan, and instituted gender apartheid policies throughout this region.These gender-based segregation policies have been denounced as human rights violations by governments and people around the world.

From here

But, even if we assume that all men are stronger than women, so what? Does it justify any manifestations of violence? Does it justify rapes and battering women? Or, perhaps, it just puts women in the lost position right from the start, as in, don't fight, he's stronger, you stand no chance? Really, I cannot imagine what physical strength has to do with equal rights...




128.       alameda
3499 posts
 27 May 2008 Tue 10:47 pm

'Ok, I read your post again. Still, I discovered nothing new. I wonder what hidden message it carried. '

It seems to me you are somewhat paranoid in looking for hidden meaning. I stated a universally understood fact. You know, bulls are stronger than cows, drakes are larger than ganders, roosters are larger & stronger than hens, stallions are larger than mares.....or fillies....Humans follow in this model, need I go on?

'You justified gender apartheid by false assumption males are stronger than women. That's a bit of a generalisation, aint't it? Besides, what I objected to was to use strength as criterion of segregation. Men and women differ - it's obvious and only those who have never seen a naked men and woman can claim otherwise. However, it's not what gender apartheid is about'

Ummm, some do not have to see naked males and females to see the difference...I in no way justified 'gender apartheid' or maltreatment of women or anyone. I merely pointed out males are generaly stronger physically than females. Is that so hard to understand? Human females have different strengths.

Perhaps you should protest at the Olympics to have sports integrated? And, while you are at it how about going after tennis and all the other sports that are 'segregated'?

'But, even if we assume that all men are stronger than women, so what? Does it justify any manifestations of violence? Does it justify rapes and battering women? Or, perhaps, it just puts women in the lost position right from the start, as in, don't fight, he's stronger, you stand no chance? Really, I cannot imagine what physical strength has to do with equal rights...'

No place did I ever justify violence against anyone, male or female. It does suggest is that should used to analyse what strengths are actually had, and then devise a stragegy based on those strengths. How about looking at it more like a matter of efficient resource allocation? Really, we get nowhere if we look at the situation as a us versus them. Humanity goes nowhere without cooperation.

Note the keyword here: cooperation.

Gender differences

129.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 28 May 2008 Wed 10:29 am

I looked for a hidden meaning as the literal message of your post read "men are stronger than women and it's a fact" - a point which not only is a generalisation but also had nothing to do with the subject discussed. We talked about men beating women and gender apartheid and suddenly you go that men are stronger. So it's not surprising that since you are a strong defender of the eastern culture you either assume that it's their right to beat women or that the strength accounts for violence. Both of these ways of reasoning are silly for me. Domestic violence as in women beating men occurs as well, and that in spite of physical strength. If you wanted to change the subject of conversation as you were losing the ground, you could have either stopped replying or write that you're no longer interested. Or, you could have posted something logical at least.

If I misunderstood the point of your observance, please, state clearly what physical strength had to do with either domestic violence or gender apartheid. If it's just listing stereotypes, I believe it' my round so I'll go:
men like sports and women like taking care of the house. How stupid is my generalisation? How much to the point?

As for Olympic Games - have I suggested that men and women don't differ? lol I guess, having nothing to say, you just typed for the sake of typing. Works miracles for fingers, doesn't it?

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