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Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated
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100.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 07:43 pm

haha
I dont have time either mate..
And I am not looking for answers really as I dont have any unanswered questions about religions in my head.

But then, I would suggest, you should go to the source of the problem, rather than messing about sheiks, cults, hadiths etc..
lol

101.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 07:54 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

haha
I dont have time either mate..
And I am not looking for answers really as I dont have any unanswered questions about religions in my head.


Ehh, then u dont need my answers as i dont need ur questions

Quoting thehandsom:


But then, I would suggest, you should go to the source of the problem, rather than messing about sheiks, cults, hadiths etc..
lol



hmmm, thats ur opinion, i would suggest, you should research and read more mate , instead of parroting the same things here...

102.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 08:01 pm

Quoting armegon:

Quoting thehandsom:

haha
I dont have time either mate..
And I am not looking for answers really as I dont have any unanswered questions about religions in my head.


Ehh, then u dont need my answers as i dont need ur questions

Quoting thehandsom:


But then, I would suggest, you should go to the source of the problem, rather than messing about sheiks, cults, hadiths etc..
lol



hmmm, thats ur opinion, i would suggest, you should research and read more mate , instead of parroting the same things here...


Dont be cross please..
I was just correcting 'the wrongs' here..

I would be glad if you had any answers though, just to check if there is something new from islamic camp or it is just the same defense coming back again and again.

Regarding the research, I cant say I am frantically searching on the subject as I used to in the past but I doubt that there is something new really..
(I would not mind reading the kuran again and start discussing with the imams , if only you or someone can plant a question mark into my head) lol


103.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 08:37 pm

Quoting the handsom:

Dont be cross please..
I was just correcting 'the wrongs' here..

I would be glad if you had any answers though, just to check if there is something new from islamic camp or it is just the same defense coming back again and again.



Hahaha, dont be lazy Mr. thehandsom, go and read, btw do not forget to visit jesus camp after islamic camp.

104.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 09:45 pm

Quoting armegon:

Quoting the handsom:

Dont be cross please..
I was just correcting 'the wrongs' here..

I would be glad if you had any answers though, just to check if there is something new from islamic camp or it is just the same defense coming back again and again.



Hahaha, dont be lazy Mr. thehandsom, go and read, btw do not forget to visit jesus camp after islamic camp.


Naah..
Jesus camp is not exciting for me either.
I think I will go with this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQHlXeEjRU
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVL656my8Sc&feature=related

btw..I am still feeling too lazy to go back and read. Hopefully, I will catch some of your future posts on the subject

105.       geniuda
1070 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 09:55 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


I think I will go with this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQHlXeEjRU
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVL656my8Sc&feature=related


ohhh Borat Borat! so funny!!

You made my day!lol .............ok back to work :-S

106.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 10:26 pm

Distortion of religions is not unique to Islam, it happens when people look to find ways to do what they want.

As for abuse of women, the Islamic world does not have a hold on that.

Abuse in women's prisons


When Amnesty International began analyzing custodial sexual misconduct laws in 1999, 14 states had no laws protecting women inmates from sexual abuse. By 2001, six states -- Alabama, Minnesota, Oregon, Utah, Vermont and Wisconsin -- still lacked such laws. Governor Douglas signed Vermont's custodial sexual misconduct legislation on May 23

abuse of women in custody

March 4, 1999
Web posted at: 7:55 p.m. EST (0055 GMT)
From CNN's Diane Ruggiero
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sexual abuse is 'virtually a fact of life' for female prisoners in the United States, many of whom are sold by prison guards as sex slaves to male inmates, according to a new report from Amnesty International..
The report released Thursday found sexual abuse of female inmates is rampant but said many cases go unreported for fear of retaliation.
Amnesty reported an undetermined number of cases of prison guards who grope women during daily searches and who rape women.

Nepali Girl Trafficking

Then we have
Joseph Fitzl who incarcerated and raped his his own daughter. It is reported he went to church too.


Abuse of females is an international none sectarian practice.

As for 'religious' people having odd ideas, it's not something unique to Muslims...

Hagee 'God sent Hitler to move the Jews to Israel

God forgives rape/murder if you 'accept Christ

However, we have those like Rumi and Yunis Emre, who where Muslims and made great contributions to humanity.

Rumi

Yunus Emre

107.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 10:28 pm

"The problem exists despite Islam, but Islam openly encourages it (along with other gender racisms), which consequently leads to what is called "gender apartheidt" in Islam."

This is laughable, do you really think women are as strong as men? Could you come out on top if a man decided to use his strength against you? Gender aparthide.....get real. The fact that males are larger and stronger than females is not the fault of Islam.

BTW gender and race are different.

108.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 10:44 pm

Quoting alameda:

"The problem exists despite Islam, but Islam openly encourages it (along with other gender racisms), which consequently leads to what is called "gender apartheidt" in Islam."

This is laughable, do you really think women are as strong as men? Could you come out on top if a man decided to use his strength against you? Gender aparthide.....get real. The fact that males are larger and stronger than females is not the fault of Islam.

BTW gender and race are different.


I think this is twisting the fact a bit though..
With your reasoning, we can not talk about equality between humans.
Even with the same gender (For example, I always think, I am stronger than an average japanese man because they are smaller )

109.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 11:35 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting alameda:

"The problem exists despite Islam, but Islam openly encourages it (along with other gender racisms), which consequently leads to what is called "gender apartheidt" in Islam."

This is laughable, do you really think women are as strong as men? Could you come out on top if a man decided to use his strength against you? Gender aparthide.....get real. The fact that males are larger and stronger than females is not the fault of Islam.

BTW gender and race are different.


I think this is twisting the fact a bit though..
With your reasoning, we can not talk about equality between humans.
Even with the same gender (For example, I always think, I am stronger than an average japanese man because they are smaller )



Now all the Japanese members will protest you handsom! You have insulted Japaneseness!

110.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 11:35 pm

lol The same old story over and over again. Alamenda try to read my post before answering it. Didn't I write about psychopaths as the only ones using Christianity to account for their crimes? To my best knowledge if you beat a woman, kill your daughter for being raped and the like you go to prison in this bad "Christian" west. Some freaks who happen to go to church and still beat their wives don't quote the bible to justify it Unlike those Muslims who use Quran for this purpose.

That reminds me of this video Handsom posted about how Muslims debate. You speak of flowers and they go on about vegetables. You are an excellent example of not responding to arguments but going off topic Not surprising really. You're on the losing side

And that word...Using analogy to the example I gave (the substitution method) If I say "I can X a rock" X can be replaced by both move and hit. A bit different from the beat word

Handsom is more than right saying that what you perceive as Christian culture is not as discriminatory as Islam. And police is definitely not working basing on Christian laws lol. And that's even in Poland, which is a really religious country. I dislike Christianity and Islam all the same, but I have to give justice and see the difference. Sure you're not able to do it as you're not objective. Still, no matter how much you foam at the mouth you wont change the facts lol

Can I picture what you'll reply?
Alameda will post 3 links from newspapers giving examples of crimes in the west and will consider it a counterbalance for the fact that police doesn't help battered women in the east.

Armegon will applaud her findings and find a verse from the bible talking about killing or the like. He will ignore the fact that no custom of violence is justified in bible. Oh, are we in the middle ages again?

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