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Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated
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80.       CANLI
5084 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 10:43 am

Quoting Daydreamer:



I saw that the information in the right hand corner said "Translated by MEMRI" So, you're implying that since MEMRI is associated with Israeli intelligence and propaganda, they mistranslated what those people were saying? Or, you think they had these people at gunpoint and made them say such things?



İmplying one thing actually,it is NOT reliable
Translate write or wrong,had those people saying things or just broadcasting it....
Same ...NOT reliable

Quoting Daydreamer:


I don't think Israeli organisations care about women's right in Arab countries. I wonder how the Lebanese police reacts in such cases. What if that material is true. Selective, biased but still true.


Police Lebanese react in what cases ?!
Wives beatings ?
İ dont know about their law,but of course women's situations are not the best..that is true
How good or how bad,depends on each country,tradition,percentage of educated women there
But the question is
What is Israeli organisations aim out of this ?!!!

81.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 02:00 pm

Thank you for the research alameda

I didnt watch the videos,because at first i thought they are examples of the anti-islam propogand videos on youtube like other thousands of them.

82.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 02:36 pm

It means that you have a closed mind and you fear everything that clashes with your world. It means you resist everything having no clue on subjects and having not investigated beforehand whatever you come across labeling any outside information as anti-Islamic.

Quoting armegon:


I didnt watch the videos,because at first i thought they are examples of the anti-islam propogand videos on youtube like other thousands of them.

83.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 02:41 pm

Armagedon - do you really think that women in Arab counties have as many rights that they can exercise as in, let's say, Europe? It is nobody's aim here to show that Islam is bad, Europe is grand. But you have to be blind not to notice huge differences as far as the approach to women goes. Of course, you may live a happy life thinking that all media lies and all are Israeli (or Jewish) propaganda. Well, they're not.

http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3321/win13b.htm

"Personal status laws are governed by religious tribunals, thus making Lebanese women unequal not only to men but also vis-a-vis each other. For instance, since 1959, non-Muslim women are entitled to the same inheritance as male heirs, while to this day, most Muslim women receive only half of that. In addition, polygamous marriages are permitted within Muslim communities while they are prohibited by Christian courts."

"Perhaps the most flagrant discriminatory law strongly influenced by patriarchy is that pertaining to "honor" crimes, which pardons men for murdering a female relative caught in the act of adultery or premarital sex. If the murder is based on suspicion alone, mitigating circumstances apply. In addition, premarital sex is tolerated for men, while adultery is defined differently for men and women. Thus, a married man is guilty of committing adultery only if the sexual act takes place under his roof and provided that he confesses to it. If a husband admits to the act, but apologizes for it, he is usually pardoned, while the charges against a woman would not be dropped.

The punishment for an adulterer is one month to a year in jail, whereas the sentence for an adulteress is three months to two years -- that is, if the woman is not killed at the hands of her male relatives, in which case her real sentence is death. Women's groups have so far been unsuccessful in their efforts to repeal the criminal code condoning "honor" crimes due in large part to cultural mores which measure women's sexuality by a different standard than that of men."

Ghada Khouri [the author]is a Lebanese-born freelance journalist based in Washington, D.C.
Not credible as she's based in the USA, right?

And more about women in Islam

I don't understand why you're deciding to turn a blind eye to what goes on in the world...

84.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 03:02 pm

I found a separate section for Turkey in the homepage of MEMRI.
http://www.thememriblog.org/turkey

I just did a little research on MEMRI and the sources like wikipedia confirms that this organization is indeed founded by the former Israeli Intelligence member Yigal Carmon.
To me personally it means that this organization know how to work in the Middle East and spy out real situations.

85.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 03:59 pm

Quoting alameda:

My dears, I was only pointing out just who and what your source was. It is what it is.

It appears MEMRI is, in fact, a propaganda machine. I question anything that propagates hate, disharmony and misunderstanding.

Although you may like to paint me as anti Jewish, that is not true. MEMRI does not represent Jewish people.

Just who they represent I don't know. My comment was regarding the credibility of MEMRI as they are hardly a reliable and unbiased resource.


If that was your only reason, you would not have made the final comment alameda. Again, you underestimate the intelligence level here.
You post nothing for a month and only come back to post your OWN propaganda.
Ohhhh but of course, YOUR source is without question, I'm sure.

86.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 04:27 pm

Bak sen , are u the new open-minded ?, unfortunately i do not expect an objective video from one who posts wilders video here , so i did not watch. Btw i watched enough of them and think no need to watch the ones here. Anything wrong Susie Wong?( lol became rhymed).
Having no clue, if u did care, i did not comment on videos, i only said i thought and alameda confrims this with the research. You came to a conclusion from my one-post here that i have no clue on subjects , really funny…

p.s: i will reply u later Daydreamer if i have time, btw my nick is armegon , not armegeddon…

Quoting zhang ziyi:

It means that you have a closed mind and you fear everything that clashes with your world. It means you resist everything having no clue on subjects and having not investigated beforehand whatever you come across labeling any outside information as anti-Islamic.

87.       CANLI
5084 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 04:58 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

I don't understand why you're deciding to turn a blind eye to what goes on in the world...


Daydreamer,
Dont mix everything together,if you do it will lead us to no where
Meaning,dont mix women's rights in arab countries,by women's rights in İslam
One of them is fixed,and the other should change
İf you mix them together,im afraid that means NOTHİNG will change
Because women's rights as they are in Qur'an is fixed,its our religion and that is the way we will have it and that is the way its going to be.
İm a woman,and i refuse to get the same inheritance as male heirs,because its Haram
Thats our religion and we have our logic.
But,in Arab countries women dont have their rights as they should too by İslam
And this should change
Mixing bothe of them together will lead us to NO change at all,because we wont change our religion.

88.       CANLI
5084 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 04:58 pm

Quoting zhang ziyi:


To me personally it means that this organization know how to work in the Middle East and spy out real situations.


Why am i not surprised ?!

89.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 05:11 pm

Quoting armegon:

Bak sen , are u the new open-minded ?, unfortunately i do not expect an objective video from one who posts wilders video here , so i did not watch. Btw i watched enough of them and think no need to watch the ones here. Anything wrong Susie Wong?( lol became rhymed).
Having no clue, if u did care, i did not comment on videos, i only said i thought and alameda confrims this with the research. You came to a conclusion from my one-post here that i have no clue on subjects , really funny…

p.s: i will reply u later Daydreamer if i have time, btw my nick is armegon , not armegeddon…



Sorry about your nick, it wasn't intentional!

Actually I don't consider myself very open-minded. What I questioned, however, was the intention why you expressed such support to Alameda-The-Israeli-Is-Unreliable, if you support what she believes in so much, it means you find the situation depicted in the videos that you didn't watch not credible. And the fact that it was a video translated by an organisation sponsored by the Israeli intelligence, made you agree on its lack of credibility. And, consequently, if you find those videos not true, it means that you find the situation of women in Arab countries (Lebanon here) different to what those videos show.

Canli - I included the other link here as I wanted to avoid being accused of being one-sided. Those interested may read about what Quran says on his particular subject and how it relates to what some countries are like

90.       alameda
3499 posts
 22 May 2008 Thu 12:11 am

Hmmm...interesting link you put here daydreamer....

The Position of Women in Islam

Just who are these informed people you use as your reference....reading their home page it says:

Investigate Islam from a Christian point of view!

Why don't you try looking at this one?

Are Human Rights Compatible with Islam?

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