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Dear mr president
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21 May 2008 Wed 03:42 pm |
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For those who can watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwykBUwrcXM
A song sung by Pink.. Brought tears to my eyes.. 
Here's the Turkish translation:
Sayın başkan
Sayın başkan
Gel benimle bir yürüyüş yap
Yalnızca iki sıradan insanmışız
Ve benden daha iyi değilmişsin gibi davranalım
Sana bazı sorular sormak istiyorum
Eğer dürüst konuşabilirsek
Sokaktaki onca evsizi gördüğünde
Ne hissediyorsun?
Uyumadan önce kim için dua ediyorsun?
Aynaya baktığında ne hissediyorsun?
Gururlu musun?
Geri kalanımız ağlarken nasıl uyuyorsun?
Bir annenin elveda demeye fırsatı yokken
Nasıl rüya görüyorsun?
Nasıl başın dik yürüyorsun?
Yine de gözlerimin içine bakarak
Bana bunların sebebini söyleyebilir misin?
Sayın başkan
Yalnız bir çocuk muydun?
Yalnız bir çocuk muydun?
Nasıl söylersin
Geride hiçbir çocuğun kalmadığını
Aptal değiliz ve kör değiliz
Hepsi senin hücrelerinde oturuyorlar
Sen cehenneme giden yolu döşerken
Nasıl baba
Kendi kızının haklarını elinden alırdı?
Ve nasıl bir baba
Eşcinsel olduğu için kızından nefret ederdi?
First Lady’nin ne demesi gerektiğini
Yalnızca hayal edebiliyorum
Viski ve kokainden buraya unzun bir yol katettin
Geri kalanımız ağlarken nasıl uyuyorsun?
Bir annenin elveda demeye fırsatı yokken
Nasıl rüya görüyorsun?
Nasıl başın dik yürüyorsun?
Yine de gözlerime bakabilir misin?
Sana sıkı çalışmaktan bahsedeyim
Bir bebek yoldayken minimum maaş
Sana sıkı çalışmaktan bahsedeyim
Bombalar onları götürdükten sonra
Evini yeniden yapmak
Sana sıkı çalışmaktan bahsedeyim
Bir karton kutudan bit yatak yapmak
Sana sıkı çalışmaktan bahsedeyim
Sıkı çalışma
Sıkı çalışmak
sıkı çalışmak hakkında hiçbir şey bilmiyorsun
sıkı çalışmak...
Gece nasıl uyuyorsun?
Nasıl başın dik yürüyorsun?
Sayın başkan
Benimle asla bir yürüyüşe çıkmazdın.
Değil mi?
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21 May 2008 Wed 04:27 pm |
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It also brought tears to my eyes the first time i heard it chantal 
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21 May 2008 Wed 07:42 pm |
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You see, Americans can disagree with their government and state ideology. They criticize their country and nobody comes and says "Pink hates the US" because people are civilized enough to respect each others' right to have their own opinions. You could learn something from it!!!
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21 May 2008 Wed 09:59 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: You see, Americans can disagree with their government and state ideology. They criticize their country and nobody comes and says "Pink hates the US" because people are civilized enough to respect each others' right to have their own opinions. You could learn something from it!!! |
I agree with you Cat.. we "Americans" or "bed Americans"  are capable to criticize even our own President or Country and not take it as an offense 
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21 May 2008 Wed 10:10 pm |
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Quoting geniuda: Quoting catwoman: You see, Americans can disagree with their government and state ideology. They criticize their country and nobody comes and says 'Pink hates the US' because people are civilized enough to respect each others' right to have their own opinions. You could learn something from it!!! |
I agree with you Cat.. we 'Americans' or 'bed Americans' are capable to criticize even our own President or Country and not take it as an offense |
We Brits do it better though!! We criticise our country AND you bed Americans!!!  And YOU can criticise US as much as you like! (Damn! I spelt criticise with a 'z' the first time without thinking 
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21 May 2008 Wed 10:25 pm |
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well in the songs!
the band Mor ve Otesi also crictisize whats going on Turkey and that band gets no ban...
excuse me but we have what you have here in Turkey too
Nobody is perfect! I AM nobody! hehehe
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21 May 2008 Wed 10:38 pm |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting lady in red:
We Brits do it better though!! We criticise our country AND you bed Americans!!! And YOU can criticise US as much as you like! (Damn! I spelt criticise with a 'z' the first time without thinking |
Ahhh you Brits, always trying to one-up the bed Americans!!!
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Could be a left-over from the British imperialism times! :-S
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22 May 2008 Thu 06:59 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
Could be a left-over from the British imperialism times! :-S |
Yeah, they are still bitter over us wanting to be free of taxation without representation and getting the better piece of property out of the deal!
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22 May 2008 Thu 10:02 am |
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Nobody criticises better than us, Poles. We are born to criticise.We love the opposition up to the point when they become the ruling party. Then we criticise. We criticise our national teams, our music industry, cinematography and cuisine. We criticise the Catholic Church, priests and nuns. We hate the police and our health care system is awful.
We criticise Americans and Brits all the same. We criticise our government for being so pro-American, and we criticise the UK for vulgar women, warm beer and terrible food (neither stops us from flooding the country, though). Germans are enemies (it's obvious, right?) and so are the Russians. Czech do nothing but drink beer and Slovaks...well..Janosik was Polish!
The rest of the world gets their share as well. Dirty Turks living in tents, greedy Jews, bomb-planting ferocious Muslims.
We have just one "untouchable" - the pope - Jean Paul II. Try to say something about him and you'll get lynched. Still, I got myself a "I didn't cry when Jean Paul II died" T-shirt
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22 May 2008 Thu 02:48 pm |
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I doubt Mr President has listened to the record in the two years or so it has been out, as nothing has changed 
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22 May 2008 Thu 03:47 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer:
We have just one "untouchable" - the pope - Jean Paul II. Try to say something about him and you'll get lynched. |
He was a child molesting nazi.
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22 May 2008 Thu 04:02 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika:
He was a child molesting nazi. |
I am biting my tongue, but do you REALLY want me to talk about another man who liked young girls?
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22 May 2008 Thu 04:10 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: that means he was really into young girls.  |
I have no idea!!! But in my experience, all religious leaders turn out to be hypocrites dimi?
I think you might be getting your pope's mixed up though. The current pope Pope Benedict XVI is German, and Jean Paul was Polish...
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22 May 2008 Thu 04:18 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting tamikidakika: that means he was really into young girls. |
I have no idea!!! But in my experience, all religious leaders turn out to be hypocrites dimi?
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I couldn`t agree more. 
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22 May 2008 Thu 05:58 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting Daydreamer:
We have just one "untouchable" - the pope - Jean Paul II. Try to say something about him and you'll get lynched. |
He was a child molesting nazi. |
He fought the nazists so...not likely. I won't risk my head saying he wasn't into kids...after all guys deciding to wear dresses and having a club like this...there definitely must be something wrong with them
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22 May 2008 Thu 06:04 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting magnadea: Quoting tamikidakika:
He was a child molesting nazi. |
I am biting my tongue, but do you REALLY want me to talk about another man who liked young girls? |
that means he was really into young girls. I didn`t know that, in fact I was just making fun. and who is the other man? Don`t say Muhammed, I already know that he was a child molester.
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If you are really talking about Mohammed these comments are abit sad...
because you are talking and crictisizing times you never saw lived, you are just talking with the things you heard and saw written by X person...
and you are talking about 14 ages ago...
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22 May 2008 Thu 06:27 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris:
If you are really talking about Mohammed these comments are abit sad...
because you are talking and crictisizing times you never saw lived, you are just talking with the things you heard and saw written by X person...
and you are talking about 14 ages ago... |
I only know what I have READ myself about him - not on TC
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22 May 2008 Thu 06:31 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting SuiGeneris:
If you are really talking about Mohammed these comments are abit sad...
because you are talking and crictisizing times you never saw lived, you are just talking with the things you heard and saw written by X person...
and you are talking about 14 ages ago... |
I only know what I have READ myself about him - not on TC |
thought you were mature enough to make comments like that... anyway...
let me play my game, and then i will enlight all your questions
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22 May 2008 Thu 06:42 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris:
thought you were mature enough to make comments like that... anyway...
let me play my game, and then i will enlight all your questions |
Ama Sui.... if you are not a moral relativist then it is true that he was a child molester... yeah, it offends people's religious feelings, but in all honesty... this is a true fact.
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22 May 2008 Thu 06:44 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Nobody criticises better than us, Poles. We are born to criticise.We love the opposition up to the point when they become the ruling party. Then we criticise. We criticise our national teams, our music industry, cinematography and cuisine. We criticise the Catholic Church, priests and nuns. We hate the police and our health care system is awful.
We criticise Americans and Brits all the same. We criticise our government for being so pro-American, and we criticise the UK for vulgar women, warm beer and terrible food (neither stops us from flooding the country, though). Germans are enemies (it's obvious, right?) and so are the Russians. Czech do nothing but drink beer and Slovaks...well..Janosik was Polish!
The rest of the world gets their share as well. Dirty Turks living in tents, greedy Jews, bomb-planting ferocious Muslims.
We have just one "untouchable" - the pope - Jean Paul II. Try to say something about him and you'll get lynched. Still, I got myself a "I didn't cry when Jean Paul II died" T-shirt |
hehehehheheheheheheehheh
how do you know the Polish so well, eh? 
Pope has a very special place in people's hearts, but it's not entirely true that you can't criticize him... I did and I'm still alive
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22 May 2008 Thu 06:48 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting SuiGeneris:
thought you were mature enough to make comments like that... anyway...
let me play my game, and then i will enlight all your questions |
Ama Sui.... if you are not a moral relativist then it is true that he was a child molester... yeah, it offends people's religious feelings, but in all honesty... this is a true fact. |
actually, after reading only "he was married to X woman when she was at age of bla bla" can never be commented like that to my mind.
in the east of Turkey there is a thing called "besik kertmesi" by that people are being married when they were not even 1 years old.
we were not there to see what he was doing right?
and as we know, you know much more better, people living in the south raise up biologically faster...
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22 May 2008 Thu 09:58 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: actually, after reading only "he was married to X woman when she was at age of bla bla" can never be commented like that to my mind.
in the east of Turkey there is a thing called "besik kertmesi" by that people are being married when they were not even 1 years old.
we were not there to see what he was doing right?
and as we know, you know much more better, people living in the south raise up biologically faster... |
Hopefully they don't have sex with girls who are just 9 years old... if they do, we would call these cultures barbaric, don't you agree? We have progressed since then and we know that some things are plain wrong and sick.
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22 May 2008 Thu 10:40 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: likewise "virgin" Mary was a prostitute. Do you still believe in the crap that Christ was the son of God? Unfortunately, his father is unknown!!! So It`s not just Islam that is deceptive. |
Read your (holy) books dear, before you make statements. Mary Magdalena was indeed a prostitute but she was not the same woman who gave birth to Jezus. You're mixing up two people.
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22 May 2008 Thu 10:48 pm |
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Quoting Saskia1970: You're mixing up two people. |
+1 !
And I have to say that even for an atheist I think these 'prostitute-pedophile' statements go a little too far.
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22 May 2008 Thu 10:49 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: sure you can. I have always been comfortable with criticism, but it`s you who is always onesided. |
unlike you who is always so incredibly balanced and objective 
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22 May 2008 Thu 10:52 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting Saskia1970: You're mixing up two people. |
+1 !
And I have to say that even for an atheist I think these 'prostitute-pedophile' statements go a little too far. |
Why? I'm not religious but it's officially known (read the Bible) that Magdalena was really a prostitute. You can disagree on a title for Mohammed but to standards in the 21st century.....
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22 May 2008 Thu 10:56 pm |
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Quoting Saskia1970: Why? I'm not religious but it's officially known (read the Bible) that Magdalena was really a prostitute. You can disagree on a title for Mohammed but to standards in the 21st century..... |
I know about Magdalena, I actually meant in combination with Virgin Mary the mother of Jesus
And according to our standards obviously I object to early sexual or even marital relationships with young girls (or boys for that matter..), and I also think we can discuss such in the light of history, but I dont think we should just simply say that Virgin Mary earns her bread scr*wing men and that the prophet gets aroused by young children.
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23 May 2008 Fri 03:53 am |
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I have deleted a few comments concerning Mother Mary and the prophet Muhammed. I thought them to be very inappropriate and with a lack of nuance.
Thank you for your understanding.
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23 May 2008 Fri 05:42 pm |
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Quoting Saskia1970: Read your (holy) books dear, before you make statements. Mary Magdalena was indeed a prostitute but she was not the same woman who gave birth to Jezus. You're mixing up two people. |
As far as i know tamikidakika is not muslim, he confessed here. Btw muslims, do not belive the same Jesus which depicted in bibles because of this they are muslim . Maybe tamikidakika tries to mention the this;Jesus the result of rape
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23 May 2008 Fri 05:43 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: I am biting my tongue, but do you REALLY want me to talk about another man who liked young girls? |
What happened? Werent u agnostic and suddenly became pope defender ? . You are all multiple-faced …
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23 May 2008 Fri 05:45 pm |
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But then he wouldn't have called her prostitute. Being raped does not make you one, does it?
I think he just wanted to make a joke
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23 May 2008 Fri 05:48 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: But then he wouldn't have called her prostitute. Being raped does not make you one, does it?
I think he just wanted to make a joke |
I said only "maybe" as you know in very very old times , if a woman raped, loses her honour and called "prostitute" in the public.
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23 May 2008 Fri 05:52 pm |
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Quoting armegon: I said only "maybe" as you know in very very old times , if a woman raped, loses her honour and called "prostitute" in the public. |
.. and possibly tamikidakika is a ghost from the past 
Honestly, I think he just wanted to be nasty.
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23 May 2008 Fri 05:53 pm |
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hahahahaha who knows
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23 May 2008 Fri 06:02 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting armegon: I said only "maybe" as you know in very very old times , if a woman raped, loses her honour and called "prostitute" in the public. |
.. and possibly tamikidakika is a ghost from the past
Honestly, I think he just wanted to be nasty. |
You are tamikidakika's companion from past , as you are sure about Mohammed...
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