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What is wrong with Muslims?
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 10:23 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting alameda: Regarding Catholics who disagree with the Pope, they are in fact not Catholics. In order to actually be a Catholic, you have to believe in what the Pope says. If you don't agree, you are not Catholic.
'Members must accept the church as having the fullness of revelation, and according to Roman Catholic catechism is the only Christian body that is 'holy, universal and apostolic' |
There are several issues that I disagree strongly with the church, yet I am a Catholic. They should feel lucky that anyone calls themselves a Catholic after what the church has put us through over the last few decades. If they want to let me know I am no longer Catholic, I can stop sending the checks.... |
Keith, I respect the fact that you take this seriously, however if you study the official doctrine of the Roman Catholic church, and then analyze what you actually believe, you may come to a different conclusion. There are more than a few causes for automatic excommunication.
One of the principal doctrines of the Catholic Church is:
Papal Infallability
Of course, they are more than happy to get your checks. These days the Catholic Church is very weak and in decline. They do not ask many just what they believe. If they did, many might just find themselves excommunicated and they would be without checks from a lot of people.
Finding one's spiritual path is not an easy task.
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 10:26 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Regarding Catholics who disagree with the Pope, they are in fact not Catholics. In order to actually be a Catholic, you have to believe in what the Pope says. If you don't agree, you are not Catholic. |
Alameda, it may seem strange to you and apparently, your experience is failing you, but Catholics aren't as obsessed about rules and authorities as Muslims are. Religion for Christians is mostly a private matter and most Christians are used to thinking for themselves about the scriptures. As unimaginable as it might be. :-S |
Actually my conclusions are based on my own research. The reality of the situation is a large majority of "Christians" are only Christian in name. They actually follow very little of what Jesus taught, and they know very little of whatever church doctrines they profess to believe in.
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 10:26 pm |
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Can you imagine if all African Americans in my country were silent? If you demand change, you have the responsiblity to speak out. It's the manner in which you speak out and deliver the message that people tend to struggle with. If your more comfortable signing a petition rather than joining a ralley you are still contributing to the end result. It's the people who remain totally silent I have more worries about. You know the saying "silence is a deadly weapon". I think there could be some truth to that.
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 10:31 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Regarding Catholics who disagree with the Pope, they are in fact not Catholics. In order to actually be a Catholic, you have to believe in what the Pope says. If you don't agree, you are not Catholic. |
Alameda, it may seem strange to you and apparently, your experience is failing you, but Catholics aren't as obsessed about rules and authorities as Muslims are. Religion for Christians is mostly a private matter and most Christians are used to thinking for themselves about the scriptures. As unimaginable as it might be. :-S |
Actually my conclusions are based on my own research. The reality of the situation is a large majority of "Christians" are only Christian in name. They actually follow very little of what Jesus taught, and they know very little of whatever church doctrines they profess to believe in. |
Well you must surround yourself with nonpracticing Christians then. I am Catholic and believe me, the majority of Catholics have been through a lengthy educational process. You don't walk into a church and decide I want to be Catholic before going through educational classes including studying the bible.
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 10:48 pm |
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Quoting HomeSick: ............the main problem is people do not read, but love to listen and being told what is written 
I encounter this problem many times. They say something that is 100% against the scripture and I ask where did you learn that? The usual answer is from my father, grandfather, etc.. When I underline the fact that his/her father, grandfather is wrong, then the argument becomes 'How do you know?!!', answer is simple, because I read canim hehe |
...but then we have another problem, where when pople read 'scripture' and then use them out of context.
As for Christians, it's hard for them because they can't easily find their scripture, and when, and if they do, they coulnd't read it anyway as most are in ancient languages not currently in use.....then there is the problem of the Old and New Testements....King James....Scofield
Scofield Bible
'Scofield's correspondence Bible study course was the basis for his Reference Bible, an annotated, and widely circulated, study Bible first published in 1909 by Oxford University Press.[4] Scofield's notes teach dispensationalism, a theology that was in part conceived in the early nineteenth century by the Anglo-Irish John Nelson Darby, who like Scofield had also been trained as a lawyer. Dispensationalism emphasizes the distinctions between the New Testament Church and ancient Israel of the Old Testament. Scofield believed that between creation and the final judgment there were seven distinct eras of God's dealing with man and that these eras were a framework around which the message of the Bible could be explained. It was largely through the influence of Scofield's notes that dispensationalism and premillennialism became influential among fundamentalist Christians in the United States.'
Bible translations
With Islam as well, there are many translations and a definite historic context to the scripture. People find a line to credit or discredit with no context.
At least must Muslims have some understanding of Arabic due to the fact they recite Quranic verses in their prayer. Also, Arabic is not a dead language, as it is still widely spoken and read.
Quran project
Jews also have kept a very good relationship with their scriptures. Most practicing Jews have some knowledge of Hebrew, and that knowledge of Hebrew has grown a great deal in recent years.
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 10:49 pm |
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Quoting teaschip: If you demand change, you have the responsiblity to speak out. |
I agree and they should be allowed to choose when and where they wish their voice to be heard.
Quoting teaschip:
It's the manner in which you speak out and deliver the message that people tend to struggle with. |
Exactly.
Quoting teaschip:
If your more comfortable signing a petition rather than joining a ralley you are still contributing to the end result.
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And I think a vast number of people do this (sorry, no figures to hand  )
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 10:55 pm |
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Quoting teaschip: Quoting alameda: Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Regarding Catholics who disagree with the Pope, they are in fact not Catholics. In order to actually be a Catholic, you have to believe in what the Pope says. If you don't agree, you are not Catholic. |
Alameda, it may seem strange to you and apparently, your experience is failing you, but Catholics aren't as obsessed about rules and authorities as Muslims are. Religion for Christians is mostly a private matter and most Christians are used to thinking for themselves about the scriptures. As unimaginable as it might be. :-S |
Actually my conclusions are based on my own research. The reality of the situation is a large majority of "Christians" are only Christian in name. They actually follow very little of what Jesus taught, and they know very little of whatever church doctrines they profess to believe in. |
Well you must surround yourself with nonpracticing Christians then. I am Catholic and believe me, the majority of Catholics have been through a lengthy educational process. You don't walk into a church and decide I want to be Catholic before going through educational classes including studying the bible. |
Yes, I am familiar with it....it's called the
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
Children go through quite a few years of it....but you are not allowed to question it, are you? You are funneled through so to speak. Try questioning.
Catholic Creed
The Catholics have a very efficient method of teaching their doctrine.
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09 Jul 2008 Wed 12:17 am |
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I didn't have time to watch all the of the series, but the one with Asra Nomani was excellent. Yes, as I've said many times, it's the Wahabization that seems to me to be a problem. This has been made possible by the funds from petrol.
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09 Jul 2008 Wed 12:18 am |
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Quoting alameda:
I didn't have time to watch all the of the series, but the one with Asra Nomani was excellent. Yes, as I've said many times, it's the Wahabization that seems to me to be a problem. This has been made possible by the funds from petrol. |
Yeah, and the second video is also very good. I agree with you about wahabizm... :-S
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09 Jul 2008 Wed 02:08 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Rocco Siffredi: by the way you identify yourself as an atheist,come on madam daydreamer, don't be attached yourself on the things with full of emptiness such as atheism etc... just think about it please. keep in mind, i really don't any problem with you all, but it's very ridiculous for me to read your baseless posts about religions, cultures, terrorism, beliefs, dudus etc. i hope you'll improve yourself for writing fully sophisticated posts henceforth. take care, grazie. |
Rocco lecturing us about morality?  
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yes, i am your priest. i haven't seen you at the last holy communion mass on sunday, why? please come to the daily mass tomorrow and don't miss it. we would eat bread and red wine for decreasing your selfishness. grazie. kisses.
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