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What is wrong with Muslims?
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 02:51 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting uYkuSuz: Quoting Daydreamer: everybody here, I'll go with the flow  |
2nd no comment. |
Uykusuz... on a second thought I think that maybe you need to cheer up a little bit!!! Maybe go out and have some fun in life. You seem to need it. (It is really a very friendly suggestion) |
Thanx for your suggestion.
Very kind of you.
But if you would not lie before.Then I would believe you and I would listen you.
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 11:09 am |
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It's 3 years since the 7/7 atrocity in the UK.
Has this sensless and disgusting act by so called Muslims (many will say that committing such an atrocity is not the action of a Muslim in the true sense of the word) and the ensuing way the media reports on Islam, caused mistrust/prejudice/hatred towards Muslim communities? And has this, in turn, led to Muslims (most of whom are peaceful)retreating further within their own communities and mixing less?
http://www.channel4.com/video/dispatches-it-shouldnt-happen-to-a-muslim/
http://www.mcb.org.uk/media/presstext.php?ann_id=299
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 03:05 pm |
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Quoting peacetrain: It's 3 years since the 7/7 atrocity in the UK.
Has this sensless and disgusting act by so called Muslims (many will say that committing such an atrocity is not the action of a Muslim in the true sense of the word) and the ensuing way the media reports on Islam, caused mistrust/prejudice/hatred towards Muslim communities? And has this, in turn, led to Muslims (most of whom are peaceful)retreating further within their own communities and mixing less?
http://www.channel4.com/video/dispatches-it-shouldnt-happen-to-a-muslim/
http://www.mcb.org.uk/media/presstext.php?ann_id=299 |
Two issues here:
1. For you they are "so-called Muslim", but for them and some others they are "true" Muslims. In their minds what they did was an act of faith and I don't think you should dismiss it simply by saying that this is not - in your understanding - a "real" Islam.
2. Muslims should not be treated like children and they should be expected responsibility. If Muslims don't want to be discriminated against by being lumped in the same category as those terrorists, they have their share of responsibility in condemning the acts of terrorism and eradicating them from their communities. If they don't do that, they don't have the right to ask non-Muslims to "have a deeper understanding of Islam".
Keep in mind that lying doesn't count:
"And then we have quite a few Muslims whose statements in private or when they are among people they trust, fully contradict their statements to reporters from Western media. Take the attacks in London on July 7, 2005, when three metro trains and a double decker bus were targeted by suicide bombers. In media interviews, Hamid Ali, a leading imam in the Al-Madina Masjid mosque in Beeston, Leeds, where the July 7 bombers worshipped, condemned the attacks. ‘The perpetrators ought to be punished,' he told newspapers a week after the attack. But some months later he was visited by a ‘Sunday Times' undercover reporter of Bangladeshi origin posing as a student. In a secretly taped conversation imam Hamid Ali said: ‘What they (the bombers) did was good. They have warned that we are here, we Muslims. People have taken notice. They died so that people would take notice... Big meetings and conferences make no change at all. With this, at least people's ears have pricked up.' In his view, the terrorist attacks in London sort of reflected the growing impact of Islam in Britain. And keep in mind, the same imam had previously publicly condemned these attacks. The ‘Sunday Times' undercover operation in Beeston found that radical views had not subsided in the months after the London bombings. Many Muslims, particularly younger men, expressed admiration for the bombers' "martyrdom".'
Militant Islam
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 05:24 pm |
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Iran: Woman to be hanged after 18 years in jail
Tehran, 16 July (AKI) - An Iranian woman arrested at the age of 13 is due to be hanged after spending 18 years in jail.
Soghra Molaii Najafpour was sent to work as a maid in the northern city of Rasht, on the Caspian Sea, when she was nine years-old and accused of the murder of her employer's eight-year-old son, Amir.
She claimed responsibility for the murder of Amir in court , reportedly under pressure, and told the judge how she killed the boy.
However, her confession was contradicted by other evidence that raised doubts about her confession. She later said she had not killed Amir, but she was sentenced to be executed.
When Soghra was 17 years old, she was transferred to solitary confinement, where she was kept until she would be executed before dawn of the following day.
Soghra escaped execution after Amir’s mother could not bring herself to witness Soghra’s execution, and had requested that the execution be postponed until a later time.
Soghra, now 31, was freed by the General Court of Rasht after posting 6,000 dollars bail, according to a human rights website called SaveDelara.com.
After learning she was freed, relatives of the victim she allegedly killed filed an appeal to have her execution carried out.
However, according to the site SaveDelara.com, when Soghra was a maid in Rasht, she was subjected to sexual abuse and was repeatedly raped by Amir’s father.
The site claims that on the day of the incident, Amir’s father had once again attacked Soghra and was raping the 13 year-old when Amir walked in and witnessed the crime.
In an attempt to get rid of him, Amir’s father pushed the young boy away, and that is how young Amir hit his head to the wall, fell to the ground, and lost consciousness.
Soghra’s employer then allegedly forced her to dispose the boy’s body in a well because he could not bring himself to do so.
Soghra is now awaiting a date for execution in prison.
Iran has ratified international treaties including the United Nations' Convention on the Rights of the Child, which forbids capital punishment for underage youth who commit crimes.
In Iran young men are considered to be adults from the age of 14 and young women from the age of eight and a half, and therefore responsible for any crimes that they commit.
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 05:33 pm |
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Quoting zhang ziyi: Iran: Woman to be hanged after 18 years in jail
Tehran, 16 July (AKI) - An Iranian woman arrested at the age of 13 is due to be hanged after spending 18 years in jail.
Soghra Molaii Najafpour was sent to work as a maid in the northern city of Rasht, on the Caspian Sea, when she was nine years-old and accused of the murder of her employer's eight-year-old son, Amir.
She claimed responsibility for the murder of Amir in court , reportedly under pressure, and told the judge how she killed the boy.
However, her confession was contradicted by other evidence that raised doubts about her confession. She later said she had not killed Amir, but she was sentenced to be executed.
When Soghra was 17 years old, she was transferred to solitary confinement, where she was kept until she would be executed before dawn of the following day.
Soghra escaped execution after Amir’s mother could not bring herself to witness Soghra’s execution, and had requested that the execution be postponed until a later time.
Soghra, now 31, was freed by the General Court of Rasht after posting 6,000 dollars bail, according to a human rights website called SaveDelara.com.
After learning she was freed, relatives of the victim she allegedly killed filed an appeal to have her execution carried out.
However, according to the site SaveDelara.com, when Soghra was a maid in Rasht, she was subjected to sexual abuse and was repeatedly raped by Amir’s father.
The site claims that on the day of the incident, Amir’s father had once again attacked Soghra and was raping the 13 year-old when Amir walked in and witnessed the crime.
In an attempt to get rid of him, Amir’s father pushed the young boy away, and that is how young Amir hit his head to the wall, fell to the ground, and lost consciousness.
Soghra’s employer then allegedly forced her to dispose the boy’s body in a well because he could not bring himself to do so.
Soghra is now awaiting a date for execution in prison.
Iran has ratified international treaties including the United Nations' Convention on the Rights of the Child, which forbids capital punishment for underage youth who commit crimes.
In Iran young men are considered to be adults from the age of 14 and young women from the age of eight and a half, and therefore responsible for any crimes that they commit.
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That's terrible. Not sure why she confessed in the first place, but my god if she is innocent this is very sad indeed. Women are considered adults at 8 years old..  I wonder what rights come with being an adult in Iran. 
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 06:04 pm |
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 09:17 pm |
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Quoting zhang ziyi: Quoting teaschip:
That's terrible. Not sure why she confessed in the first place,
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Any child can confess any crime (not committed).
Quoting teaschip:
but my god if she is innocent this is very sad indeed.
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Do you think (even if she did it) that she is to be punished?
Quoting teaschip:
Women are considered adults at 8 years old.. I wonder what rights come with being an adult in Iran. |
Don't think (thinking may harm you), just follow the Prophet. |
I think a 13 year old knows better to admit to murdering somone if they didn't. Now if she was pressured or influenced otherwise, that's a different story.
If she did committ murder, yes she should be punished. Considering her age, she should not be tried as an adult.
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 09:29 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting peacetrain: It's 3 years since the 7/7 atrocity in the UK.
Has this sensless and disgusting act by so called Muslims (many will say that committing such an atrocity is not the action of a Muslim in the true sense of the word) and the ensuing way the media reports on Islam, caused mistrust/prejudice/hatred towards Muslim communities? And has this, in turn, led to Muslims (most of whom are peaceful)retreating further within their own communities and mixing less?
http://www.channel4.com/video/dispatches-it-shouldnt-happen-to-a-muslim/
http://www.mcb.org.uk/media/presstext.php?ann_id=299 |
Two issues here:
1. For you they are "so-called Muslim", but for them and some others they are "true" Muslims. In their minds what they did was an act of faith and I don't think you should dismiss it simply by saying that this is not - in your understanding - a "real" Islam. |
Yes I say "so-called Muslim" because I believe the moment they planned and did what they did they ceased to become Muslim. I've no doubt they thought they were Muslims, I'm not disputing that. My own opinion though is that they are not and they damage the very faith they commit atrocities in the name of. And of course there are those non muslims who will never ever choose to believe that the terrorists are not true Muslims because that wouldn't fit in with their own agendas.
These are my views and they obviously differ to yours, so we better recognise that now and leave it at that. As with other threads here, this could run and run in circles.
Quoting Catwoman:
Keep in mind that lying doesn't count:
[i]"And then we have quite a few Muslims whose statements in private or when they are among people they trust, fully contradict their statements to reporters from Western media. |
And of course that makes all Muslims liers. Lovely.
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 09:48 pm |
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peacetrain it is obvious from the title of this thread and her opening diatribe where catwoman is coming from.Even her fellow admin appeared surprised on page 5. Is this the type of thread an admin should introduce in a forum such as this? 
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 10:14 pm |
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Quoting bydand: peacetrain it is obvious from the title of this thread and her opening diatribe where catwoman is coming from.Even her fellow admin appeared surprised on page 5. Is this the type of thread an admin should introduce in a forum such as this? |
Deep philosophical questions canim. Not your cup of tea.
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17 Jul 2008 Thu 10:18 pm |
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Quoting peacetrain:
1.These are my views and they obviously differ to yours, so we better recognise that now and leave it at that. As with other threads here, this could run and run in circles.
2.And of course that makes all Muslims liers. Lovely. |
1. I think this is very important in terms of what kind of solutions the muslim community needs to come up with. Of course, I have no interest in running in circles 
2. When did I say that?
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