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13th Anniversary of the Bosnian Genocide
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10.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 11:03 am

I can't agree with you, genocide is genocide regardless of what nationality is murdered. Read the list in Wiki and you'll see that what you consider Christian countries were held responsible many times

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

And Holocaust is not a minor thing, it's the bloodiest crime against humanity in modern history.

Saying that it's hard to find a country to blame for Bosnian massacre, I meant what country would you hold responsible? Serbia? Bosnia itself? It was the period of transformation and you cannot blame one country for what happened before that country came into being.

I think you're obsessed with religious notions. It is all about money and power, not religion. Crusades are over for a long time (ask Alameda who loves linking it if you don't believe).

11.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 11:30 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

I can't agree with you, genocide is genocide regardless of what nationality is murdered. Read the list in Wiki and you'll see that what you consider Christian countries were held responsible many times

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history



wikipedia would be the last source I would make arguments with. When did a western government recognize the genocides they commited? When did America and England recognize the Native American genocide they carried out? The only thing they have recognized is the so called "armenian genocide", and those politicians who voted for the recognition didn`t even know where armenia was. go figure.

Quoting Daydreamer:


And Holocaust is not a minor thing, it's the bloodiest crime against humanity in modern history.


when did I say it`s a minor thing? I just meant that it is the only genocide commited by Christians and recognized by the west.

Quoting Daydreamer:


Saying that it's hard to find a country to blame for Bosnian massacre, I meant what country would you hold responsible? Serbia? Bosnia itself? It was the period of transformation and you cannot blame one country for what happened before that country came into being.



Then how come you blame the Turkish government of the so called "armenian genocide"? was there smt called the Turkish Republic in 1915?

Quoting Daydreamer:


I think you're obsessed with religious notions. It is all about money and power, not religion. Crusades are over for a long time (ask Alameda who loves linking it if you don't believe).



No I`m just sick of this hypocrisy of the west. Im sick of how they do all these shi*ty stuff and go away with it and yet they are always the "good guys". As you said it`s all about power, but you can`t seperate religion from power. religion has always been involved in politics.

12.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 11:58 am

Guys, read more carefully, 2 posts above I gave my reasons for such a statement.

Quoting Daydreamer:


Not really, communistic crimes are also recognised by the west and [B] communistic countries, like USSR although were to be ideologically atheistic had Christian minorities [B]. Russia is accused of extermination of Chechens (Muslims) and Kazakhs (Muslims) and it's admitted wide and loud (of course Russia doesn't admit it following the trend of "We didn't do it")



Ouch! Ok, I know where the mistake is - I didn't mean "minorities" but "majority" - SORRY! That created the confusion. The thing is communism wanted to achieve atheistic society but they failed.

ZZ, the number of Orthodox Christians in contemporary Russia is 90% so it's not really a small number.

Sorry for the mess, I guess I'm not so logical in the morning lol Still, the point I made is valid.

13.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 12:17 pm

Right, no one wants to admit what they did, I don`t expect America to recognize the native american genocide or France to recognize the algerian genocide. But what Im asking is why does England recognize the so called armenian genocide but not the algerian genocide, or Why does France recognize the so called armenian genocide but not the Native American genocide?


You`re saying that the west admits the crimes of the ussr but which western country recognizes the genocide that wiped off the whole Crimean Turks? I don`t care about a few western historians` acknowledging that the Russian did it?

I`m asking this again, can you tell me a genocide that is carried out by Christians against non-Christians and recognized as a genocide by the western countries (accept the holocaust), and I mean recognizing it politically, like what they did in the case of the so called armenian genocide.

14.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 12:31 pm

I've already given you examples but..

http://www.ihrc.org.uk/show.php?id=1693

"Sixty two years ago, on 23 February 1944, Stalin ordered the deportation
of the entire Chechen and Ingush population to Central Asia. More than
half of the 500,000 people who were to be forcibly transported died in
transit or in massacres committed by Soviet troops. Those who survived the journey were left facing starvation and disease in the harsh winters of Siberia and Central Asia.

Within days an entire people had been erased from the land of their
ancestors. Overnight Chechnya and Ingushetia were emptied of their native inhabitants, and every reference to Chechnya was removed from official maps, records and encyclopaedias. Finally, in 2004, the European Parliament recognised this tragedy as a genocide. "

See, Chechens are Muslims, yet the biased west recognised that Christian Russia was guilty of genocide.

15.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 12:49 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

I've already given you examples but..

http://www.ihrc.org.uk/show.php?id=1693

"Sixty two years ago, on 23 February 1944, Stalin ordered the deportation
of the entire Chechen and Ingush population to Central Asia. More than
half of the 500,000 people who were to be forcibly transported died in
transit or in massacres committed by Soviet troops. Those who survived the journey were left facing starvation and disease in the harsh winters of Siberia and Central Asia.

Within days an entire people had been erased from the land of their
ancestors. Overnight Chechnya and Ingushetia were emptied of their native inhabitants, and every reference to Chechnya was removed from official maps, records and encyclopaedias. Finally, in 2004, the European Parliament recognised this tragedy as a genocide. "

See, Chechens are Muslims, yet the biased west recognised that Christian Russia was guilty of genocide.




ok they recognized it because they are sick of Russia and its communist past. How about all the other genocides?


btw, didn`t you say USSR was not Christian under communism. Now You are saying "Christian Russia was guilty of genocide".

16.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 12:54 pm

See - that's your problem - you go "give me an example" I provide it and you go, "No, not enough, give me another" Sorry, I am way too busy to list all of them (use google ) if it's not going to get through to you anyway. It's just a waste of time

I'll give you a hint - there's plenty of them

But no point quoting if you still will stick to the bad west, poor east story - open your mind!

Anyway, gotta go, have fun looking for conspiracies, plots and the like

17.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 01:02 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

See - that's your problem - you go "give me an example" I provide it and you go, "No, not enough, give me another" Sorry, I am way too busy to list all of them (use google ) if it's not going to get through to you anyway. It's just a waste of time

I'll give you a hint - there's plenty of them

But no point quoting if you still will stick to the bad west, poor east story - open your mind!

Anyway, gotta go, have fun looking for conspiracies, plots and the like



eh, are you sure that there are many? it seems like thats the only example.

and you better make up your mind whether Russia was Christian or atheist you`re miserably contradicting yourself messing up your argument.

18.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 01:08 pm

As French writer mentioned “Europe died in Bosnia”.

19.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 06:19 pm

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20.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 10:26 am

What's going on? I posted this today:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Guys, read more carefully, 2 posts above I gave my reasons for such a statement.

Quoting Daydreamer:


Not really, communistic crimes are also recognised by the west and communistic countries, like USSR although were to be ideologically atheistic had Christian minorities . Russia is accused of extermination of Chechens (Muslims) and Kazakhs (Muslims) and it's admitted wide and loud (of course Russia doesn't admit it following the trend of "We didn't do it")



Ouch! Ok, I know where the mistake is - I didn't mean "minorities" but "majority" - SORRY! That created the confusion. The thing is communism wanted to achieve atheistic society but they failed.

ZZ, the number of Orthodox Christians in contemporary Russia is 90% so it's not really a small number.

Sorry for the mess, I guess I'm not so logical in the morning lol Still, the point I made is valid.



and it displayed as if posted yesterday SPOOKY

Thus, my argument is not messy - Tamidakkika wanted example of a country with Christian majority committing a recognised genocide on non-Christians. Russia fits here. The thing is, no countries in Europe are officially "Christian" (but for Vatican I suppose). Still, crimes of war are punishable (Milosevic's case and many more). Saying that the world only recognises Muslim crimes is silly, like in case of Armenian genocide, not all countries (Christian in your understanding) recognised it. Weren't you the one commenting proudly on Swedish decision to leave it to historians not politicians to decide whether it did or didn't take place?

Really, your conspiracy theories are moving, but, fortunately, find no evidence in real life. Perhaps you'd like to see Europe as fierce enemy of poor Turkey and Muslim countries but it's not.

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