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Catwoman, you should not be an admin here.
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1.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 02:25 am

Catwoman ;

After these cases below,i dont know how can you be here without any shame. So i think you should not be an admin here anymore. As an user, no problem. But unlike the other admins, as an admin, you´re the only problem here.

A person that comes here to get an information about Turkey or Islam and who is not familiar with Turkish culture and Islam will think that Turks are the worst nation of the world and Islam is the worst religion of the world which is completely wrong ( especially after reading your posts/topics). I also dont think that you have an aim like understanding Turkish/Islam culture even you´re married a Kurdish guy. What i see from here is you are insulting Turks/Islam and you are not sorry for that. As many people have warned you and you dont wanna understand I want you to understand now and i think you better use here as an user, not as an admin. its better for you to do it now,before people start to hate you and leave here.

Regards

Insulting Muslims;
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31431
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31431_14
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31545_6


Turks committed genocide ?? ( kurds & armaniens )
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31640

uykusuz´s case;
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31545_7

thehandsome´s case
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31608_3

Canli´s case
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31545_6
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31545_8

Alameda´s case
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31431_14

after all these again ; -new one!
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_31824

2.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 03:02 am

Uykusuz, I can see that you disagree with me on most topics and my ideas seem blasphemous to you, but I have the right to express my views, just like a regular member. A duty of an admin is maintenance work according to outlined rules and it doesn't require one to have specific political views. My views are not official views of Turkish Class.

People who come here, they judge Islam and Turkey by people's actions more then some people's opinions. So don't be so over-concerned that my personal views will change someone's opinions about Turkey or Islam.

3.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 03:10 am

Administrators have just as much right to voice an opinion as anyone else that uses this site. Why are you so afraid of anyone voicing an OPINION just because it doesn’t happen to jibe with yours? Do you think people are so weak that they can’t make decisions on their own, that we have to follow what someone else thinks? Ridiculous!
Think for yourself and stop worrying so much about what others think!

4.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 03:40 am

Quoting catwoman:

Uykusuz, I can see that you disagree with me on most topics and my ideas seem blasphemous to you, but I have the right to express my views, just like a regular member. A duty of an admin is maintenance work according to outlined rules and it doesn't require one to have specific political views. My views are not official views of Turkish Class.

People who come here, they judge Islam and Turkey by people's actions more then some people's opinions. So don't be so over-concerned that my personal views will change someone's opinions about Turkey or Islam.



I m not the only one disagree with you on most topics that's also one of the things that you dont understand-That's why i showed you the other cases-. And you're not expressing your ideas, you're insulting. it's different, finding silly videos/posts against turks and islam and posting them is not the way of expressing yourself.It's the way of attacking/insulting.

And When you express yourself you should start your sentence with "i think.... " if you're not sure "i m not sure but for me.." you're posting like everything is true.

saying "Turks killed 50.000 people. Proof is here."
and saying "Is it true? Turks killed 50.000 people,according to this video." is different.

saying "A stupid guy's post"
and saying "What's wrong with muslims" is also different.

You know this very well, for to escape from this now you're saying :

" People who come here, they judge Islam and Turkey by people's actions more then some people's opinions."

You dont respect, you insult, are you also waiting for our respect ?

How can new visitors understand that you're not muslim and turk? Let's say you created a topic which is wrong about islam, A new visitor will think that you're a turk and muslim and you said that. Guess what does he think when he read that ?

Also ; being an admin makes you more trusted, also when you make mistakes,its price will be greater than anybody else's price thats why i suggest you to use here as an user. You know i have never seen a president that says "christinaty is better than islam" Think about it why a president does not say such a sentence, even he thinks so ?

5.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 03:45 am

Quoting girleegirl:

Administrators have just as much right to voice an opinion as anyone else that uses this site. Why are you so afraid of anyone voicing an OPINION just because it doesn’t happen to jibe with yours? Do you think people are so weak that they can’t make decisions on their own, that we have to follow what someone else thinks? Ridiculous!
Think for yourself and stop worrying so much about what others think!


I dont wanna say it again and again,
Read the previous post of mine which is above.
also you can read this post of me
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31545_7

Regards.

6.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 04:34 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:


I dont wanna say it again and again,


Then I guess this will be the last we can expect to hear on the topic from you.

Quoting uYkuSuz:


Read the previous post of mine which is above.
also you can read this post of me
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31545_7

Regards.


I've been a member long enough to know who says what and the difference between you and me...and most of the members here...is that I form my own opinions. I'm not forming my beliefs on the basis of what you say or cat says or anyone else here.
It's too bad you can't understand that just because someone disagrees with you it does not make them a bad person.
Everyone has their own foundation for their opinions. Why should it concern you?

7.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 05:17 am

Quoting girleegirl:


I've been a member long enough to know who says what and the difference between you and me...and most of the members here...is that I form my own opinions. I'm not forming my beliefs on the basis of what you say or cat says or anyone else here.


You know this is what the problem is.
( Read my postS again at http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31545_7 )
I m also too old here, older than you. For me there is no difference between you and me. But for you and cat woman there is a difference between us. When you insult and post whatever you want there is no problem, when we explain and try to tell you the truth, you dont listen you're just saying "there is difference between us" or " you're not not such a person " .. there is no such a person as you see from the examples..

Quoting girleegirl:


It's too bad you can't understand that just because someone disagrees with you it does not make them a bad person.
Everyone has their own foundation for their opinions. Why should it concern you?


my reply is ;
" It's too bad you can't understand that just because someone disagrees with you it does not make them a bad person.
Everyone has their own foundation for their opinions. Why should it concern you? "

It's my opinions about catwoman, why should it concern you ? Your reply here is also a proof of my first paragraph and what the problem is.

8.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 08:14 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:


You know this is what the problem is.
( Read my postS again at http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31545_7 )
I m also too old here, older than you. For me there is no difference between you and me. But for you and cat woman there is a difference between us. When you insult and post whatever you want there is no problem, when we explain and try to tell you the truth, you dont listen you're just saying 'there is difference between us' or ' you're not not such a person ' .. there is no such a person as you see from the examples..


Well apparently you don’t really pay attention. You seem to think that just because I am defending cat’s right to state her opinion and remain an administrator of a site that would not even exsist without her, that I then must agree with her opinions. Since I rarely post on any political or religious threads, I think you would have a hard time defending that!

And by the way, what makes your opinion any more truthful than hers?

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Quoting girleegirl:


It's too bad you can't understand that just because someone disagrees with you it does not make them a bad person.
Everyone has their own foundation for their opinions. Why should it concern you?


my reply is ;
' It's too bad you can't understand that just because someone disagrees with you it does not make them a bad person.
Everyone has their own foundation for their opinions. Why should it concern you? '

It's my opinions about catwoman, why should it concern you ?


Well my mistake, you see since you didn't start your post with "in my opinion" I thought what you were posting was fact!!

Quoting uYkuSuz:


Your reply here is also a proof of my first paragraph and what the problem is.



HUH? What proof??? :-S

9.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 09:58 am

I see no reason for Cat not to be an admin here. Admins are free to express their points of view and to share their opinions regardless of whether other users like them or not. I believe TC is mildly moderated anyway. In all other forums whose member I am, no discussion with Admin is allowed. Their words and decisions are final. Here you're free to criticise Cat's opinions just as she is free to criticise yours. If you don't like it, you always have a choice, there's plenty of forums that praise the beaches, food and weather.

This is not an official Turkish Republic or Islamic website so why do you fear people will have a negative image of Turkey or Islam after reading this site? It is a free place - read, don't read, write, don't write, agree, disagree - we're all free to do it as long as we discuss ideas, not personal life of other members. If I consider somebody's ideas racist, bigoted or even stupid, why can't I write it here if I can provide arguments? What is unacceptable is asking questions or statements about husbands, children or lovers of other users as that has nothing to do with what they think. You disagree with Cat? You have all the right in the world to do that, but don't tell her she has no right to write her opinions on her own forum.

10.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 12:12 pm

Quoting girleegirl:


Well apparently you don’t really pay attention. You seem to think that just because I am defending cat’s right to state her opinion and remain an administrator of a site that would not even exsist without her, that I then must agree with her opinions. Since I rarely post on any political or religious threads, I think you would have a hard time defending that!

And by the way, what makes your opinion any more truthful than hers?


Cause after reading your posts, You're proving that im right. Curious why you deleted there was also a post that says i m right, can you see it now?- NO.. But all your posts are here. Why?

Quoting girleegirl:


Well my mistake, you see since you didn't start your post with "in my opinion" I thought what you were posting was fact!!


I dont wanna say it again and again, Read my posts carefully till you undrestand.
You're not reading my posts i said "i think" and
Read my first post again and count the "i think"s..
Again your posts are my proof, Why cant you say that you're sorry if you're misunderstood ? Instead, you re acting like her adulatory who is also trying to be a smart-azz.

And a great writer said ;
Everyone has their own foundation for their opinions. Why should it concern you?

It's my opinions about catwoman, why should it concern you ?

11.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 12:35 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

I see no reason for Cat not to be an admin here.


I see no reason for Cat to be an admin here.

Quoting Daydreamer:


Admins are free to express their points of view and to share their opinions regardless of whether other users like them or not. I believe TC is mildly moderated anyway. In all other forums whose member I am, no discussion with Admin is allowed. Their words and decisions are final. Here you're free to criticise Cat's opinions just as she is free to criticise yours. If you don't like it, you always have a choice, there's plenty of forums that praise the beaches, food and weather.


Those admins deserves respect, I know you and you know me, you also know me that i m member of many web-sites like turkishclass. I have never seen such an admin in any other forums. Those are helpful/they are not insulting other people's beliefs.Also here we have those ones,some of the admins except catwoman. They dont delete the post when they dont agree. Also instead of solving the problem, you're saying "if you dont like it, you have choices" That's who you all are (read from first to here,you ll see that). We have no right to express anything or the wrong things you're doing. If we try,see how you're acting. Also is it that hard to say that "I m sorry, I didnt mean anything wrong" or "sorry if there is missunderstanding" ?

Quoting Daydreamer:


This is not an official Turkish Republic or Islamic website so why do you fear people will have a negative image of Turkey or Islam after reading this site? It is a free place - read, don't read, write, don't write, agree, disagree - we're all free to do it as long as we discuss ideas, not personal life of other members. If I consider somebody's ideas racist, bigoted or even stupid, why can't I write it here if I can provide arguments?


catwoman didn't accept that there is a negative image.

But thanks,at last we decided that there is a bad image. So why that bad image disturbs you, when someone creates a topic about your beliefs, or when someone says that i m right? Why you deleted the post that says i m right-again ?

Quoting Daydreamer:


What is unacceptable is asking questions or statements about husbands, children or lovers of other users as that has nothing to do with what they think.


Those unacceptable things is different from person to person, Those are yours, there is nothing about religion. But as you know there are many people who have unacceptable things more than you think. And you should respect it when you are warned,as we respect you.

Quoting Daydreamer:


You disagree with Cat? You have all the right in the world to do that, but don't tell her she has no right to write her opinions on her own forum.


I'm saying it again; as an admin,i think she should not use the web site. ( try to figure my president example out )
As an user, No problem.

12.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 12:49 pm

Actually, it is you who said something about negative image of Turkey, I was just repeating your words, myself, I think this site is more objective than any other site about Turkey I have visited. And you, knowing me, know best that I am an absolute fan of this country so I'd never want people to be discouraged But there's a difference between censorship and freedom of speech - if people want to discuss controversial issues and state their ideas, they should be allowed to do that. Just like those who want to focus on non-controversial threads. As long as it's done in a polite way, I'm fine with it.

Respect is a funny thing, if we assumed that asking difficult questions is a sign of no respect then what would be left to talk about? That's why the rules say it's ok to discuss issues, it's not ok to have personal fights.

As for Cat, she can defend her position herself, I am not her lawyer, but I assure you, there were many times she apologised if her words were misunderstood. Read back the archives and you'll see

13.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 01:21 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Actually, it is you who said something about negative image of Turkey, I was just repeating your words, myself


You didnt deny. You confirmed by repeating cause you also know that there is a bad image.

Quoting Daydreamer:


I think this site is more objective than any other site about Turkey I have visited. And you, knowing me, know best that I am an absolute fan of this country so I'd never want people to be discouraged But there's a difference between censorship and freedom of speech - if people want to discuss controversial issues and state their ideas, they should be allowed to do that. Just like those who want to focus on non-controversial threads. As long as it's done in a polite way, I'm fine with it.


That does not explain me the reason of the post deleted here that says i m right. This also shows that this web site is not that objective and she is not that polite. With a polite way, you mean ; -deleting posts if you disagree -creating topics that insuls turks / islam? -locking topics when cant find anything to say. Is this what the polite you mean ? your answer is "yes" i think, cause this is what she is doing. If your answer is "no", you should tell this to her. Not me.

Quoting Daydreamer:


Respect is a funny thing, if we assumed that asking difficult questions is a sign of no respect then what would be left to talk about? That's why the rules say it's ok to discuss issues, it's not ok to have personal fights.


Daydreamer, dont do that. I thought you're different. You know that i have no problem with difficult questions. I like to answer difficult questions,you know me and you can see it from my posts. Please read the first post. I even did not use a word like "difficult question". What she has done is more than "diffifult questions"..

Quoting Daydreamer:


As for Cat, she can defend her position herself, I am not her lawyer, but I assure you, there were many times she apologised if her words were misunderstood. Read back the archives and you'll see


even she didnt try to say that she is sorry, and i have seen her apologies. Those didnt solve the problem. She goes in her way. The best solution is her to use this web site just as an user. At that time, she will be free about her posts. And ( i hope ) the posts that she disagree will not be deleted anymore.

And I ll be glad if you let her to reply. She can defend the her position herself as you said.

14.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 01:27 pm

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Also ; being an admin makes you more trusted, also when you make mistakes,its price will be greater than anybody else's price thats why i suggest you to use here as an user. You know i have never seen a president that says "christinaty is better than islam" Think about it why a president does not say such a sentence, even he thinks so ?


I disagree with everything you say... sorry! And this is false as well. I am not a president of the site, whom everybody knows, whom people vote for to make important decisions about their lives, whose power can put people to war or to give them better lives... This kind of person's opinions matter, but not mine. I can assure you that nobody trusts me more, just because of my nickname then they trust you. They trust the validity of your claims, the way you defend yourself and your opinions... etc. And in the forum it doesn't even say next to my nickname that I'm an admin. You have to go to 'statistics' to look up who are admins... Ask anybody if they changed their opinion about Turkey/Islam because of my opinions! I am not an admin because "I had shown unconditional love and respect for all taboos about Turkey and Islam", so I don't have the obligation to act that way.

I think you have a big problem with freedom of speech...

15.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 01:53 pm

Quoting catwoman:


I disagree with everything you say... sorry! And this is false as well. I am not a president of the site, whom everybody knows, whom people vote for to make important decisions about their lives, whose power can put people to war or to give them better lives... This kind of person's opinions matter, but not mine. I can assure you that nobody trusts me more, just because of my nickname then they trust you. They trust the validity of your claims, the way you defend yourself and your opinions... etc.


So you have no responsibility about being an admin? Why dont you make anybody else admin then ?

And can you please tell me, How can they trust us when you delete the posts of us that you disagree ? if there is no post, there is just insulting, how can they read and understand and trust us?

Quoting catwoman:


And in the forum it doesn't even say next to my nickname that I'm an admin. You have to go to 'statistics' to look up who are admins... Ask anybody if they changed their opinion about Turkey/Islam because of my opinions!


Anyone can understand that you're and admin. Most of the topics that you insult Turk/Islam, they say "as an admin, how can you say that" .. Think about a new visitor after reading this topic, wont he/she understand that you're an admin ?-it's same

Quoting catwoman:


I am not an admin because "I had shown unconditional love and respect for all taboos about Turkey and Islam",


At last, there is something correct about you. You're an admin here. Cause its just because of your husband is site-owner. Thanks for informing us about your love and respect about Turkey and Islam. No love,no respect,admin cause she is just site-owner's wife.

Quoting catwoman:


I think you have a big problem with freedom of speech...


We re talking about you, not me. Catwoman attacks again ? i think you do this when you cant find anything to say. Is it just this part that you understand after reading the whole posts ? You confirm me.

16.       CANLI
5084 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 03:07 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

In all other forums whose member I am, no discussion with Admin is allowed. Their words and decisions are final.



Then why people would stay there if they have such treatment ?!
Not that they are forced or something,are they ?!
Sound like a Nazi forums to me!

The sites that i've been to are contradicting to that totally
Admins are nice,hospital and very much helpful too
Open for every opinion,and try to fulfil members needs too

Quoting Daydreamer:


This is not an official Turkish Republic or Islamic website so why do you fear people will have a negative image of Turkey or Islam after reading this site?



People tend to believe unofficial sites more than official ones
Thinking that they read facts,not some Media directed to them
And needless to say how many ignorant people there,who are too lazy to search for things other than what offered to them
They think they done much already by reading such materials on the web and not only watch the Media
That blondy who was thinking Europe is a country not a continent is good example for that
There are many people like that,more or less like her.

Quoting Daydreamer:


It is a free place - read, don't read, write, don't write, agree, disagree - we're all free to do it as long as we discuss ideas, not personal life of other members. If I consider somebody's ideas racist, bigoted or even stupid, why can't I write it here if I can provide arguments? What is unacceptable is asking questions or statements about husbands, children or lovers of other users as that has nothing to do with what they think. You disagree with Cat? You have all the right in the world to do that, but don't tell her she has no right to write her opinions on her own forum.



İ totally agree with that,as any member,but with admin or mods its a bit different
More critical with admin actually
Usually,admins represent the official opinions of the sites,not just personal opinions
So,its more sensetive when they state opinions against some parts,they considered to be the sites opinions,and therefore more reliable than others.

Coming to our case here,with Cat,
İ think she is doing a good job trying to maintain the site rules,and fixing problems when occurred

Her opinions about İslam and Turks are one sided,but i understand that they are her personal opinions and she is entitled to them admin or not,but as i said coming from admin is a bit crirical specially to new memberes

As for deleting posts,i dont think you can be both player and judge at same time
So,once 'admin or mod' join a debate i guess they should be doing it as memberes not mods or admin,so they shouldnt be deleting any posts of that matter,and leave it to other mods to judge .

17.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 06:18 pm

Quoting uYkuSuz:


Quoting girleegirl:


Well apparently you don’t really pay attention. You seem to think that just because I am defending cat’s right to state her opinion and remain an administrator of a site that would not even exsist without her, that I then must agree with her opinions. Since I rarely post on any political or religious threads, I think you would have a hard time defending that!

And by the way, what makes your opinion any more truthful than hers?


Cause after reading your posts, You're proving that im right. Curious why you deleted there was also a post that says i m right, can you see it now?- NO.. But all your posts are here. Why?

Quoting girleegirl:


Well my mistake, you see since you didn't start your post with 'in my opinion' I thought what you were posting was fact!!


I dont wanna say it again and again, Read my posts carefully till you undrestand.
You're not reading my posts i said 'i think' and
Read my first post again and count the 'i think's..
Again your posts are my proof, Why cant you say that you're sorry if you're misunderstood ? Instead, you re acting like her adulatory who is also trying to be a smart-azz.

And a great writer said ;
Everyone has their own foundation for their opinions. Why should it concern you?

It's my opinions about catwoman, why should it concern you ?


I don't need to keep reading your posts over and over....it will not hypnotize me into believing you are right. You are entitled to your opinion....I am entitled to disagree. I think the difference is that you are calling for an administrator to remove herself. I find that to be egregious. That is why it concerns me.

I do agree with you on one thing though....I am a great writer!!

Oh...two things I guess...I am a smart ass too but that is nothing new to anyone here I should think.

18.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 09:04 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Coming to our case here,with Cat,
İ think she is doing a good job trying to maintain the site rules,and fixing problems when occurred

Her opinions about İslam and Turks are one sided,but i understand that they are her personal opinions and she is entitled to them admin or not,but as i said coming from admin is a bit crirical specially to new memberes

As for deleting posts,i dont think you can be both player and judge at same time
So,once 'admin or mod' join a debate i guess they should be doing it as memberes not mods or admin,so they shouldnt be deleting any posts of that matter,and leave it to other mods to judge .


Thank you Canli, I appreciate your honest thoughts and kind comments. It makes sense what you said, and the only reason why I can be player and judge is that there are clear rules as to what posts are deleted (only personal attacks). Nobody can delete posts that they simply disagree with.

We tried to add more moderators with varying points of view, to make the site more balanced. Try to put yourself in the position of a moderator - what comments would you delete? You really cannot delete anything, unless it's a personal attack, so I don't think that my personal views are conflicting with doing the job of an admin.

There is a statement on the bottom of the page that says that 'opinions of moderators and mods are not the opinions of TC'. I think that is reasonable, because in many sites mods are volunteers who simply visit the site often and can follow the site rules. Therefore, it is not a requirement to be a mod that you have specific political views.

19.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 10:14 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:


You didnt deny. You confirmed by repeating cause you also know that there is a bad image.



Nope, that's not how it works. If you said "It's going to rain today" and I asked "Why are you afraid it's going to rain today?" it wouldn't mean I agree with you, but that I was looking for an explanation of your fear. It was an analogical situation

Quote:


That does not explain me the reason of the post deleted here that says i m right. This also shows that this web site is not that objective and she is not that polite. With a polite way, you mean ; -deleting posts if you disagree -creating topics that insuls turks / islam? -locking topics when cant find anything to say. Is this what the polite you mean ? your answer is "yes" i think, cause this is what she is doing. If your answer is "no", you should tell this to her. Not me.


I cannot judge why your post got deleted, I haven't read it. But it's not true what you're writing, as long as threads are a discussion they're not locked - your critique of admin is a proof of that, nobody deleted it and you're free to show your discontent with Cat. As far as I remember the locked threads were those with personal insults, not those representing points of view different from Cat's.

Quote:


The best solution is her to use this web site just as an user. At that time, she will be free about her posts. And ( i hope ) the posts that she disagree will not be deleted anymore.



Best for whom? I am happy with her being an admin and I'm sure so are many other users. Of course you can't find a way to make everyone happy so no matter who is an admin, some people will always be dissatisfied. Admins are not elected by means of popular vote, you decided to join a site run by her from the very beginning. Live with it. Besides, not only admins delete posts, mods do that as well and the mods we have are not only those agreeing with Cat.

20.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 12:44 pm

Yet another semantic battle.

Dear Uykuysuz,

If you have been here as long as you say and you know the people you are having a discussion with, then you will also know that, however valid you think your points are, it will not change anything and all you are doing is providing a platform for all the things you are against.

As far as I know CW is not a Mod but she is listed as an Admin. It's up to her how she conducts herself on this site. Members can:

agree with her
disagree with her
criticise her
insult her
pm her
leave the site
ignore her

Admin or not, she is one person out of almost 17,000 members and therefore easily avoided.

This thread isn't CW's fight or anyone else's, it's yours, you've created it, it's what's on your mind and nobody else's, until you create the thread. You are also wasting your thinking time. What you've said is nothing new, it's all been said before (and I'm sure DD has all the TC thread references ).

I don't think members new to Turkey will look at CW's posts and gain a bad impression of Turkey or Islam, unless they are stupid. Any sane person can gain an insight into someone's character from tone sand choice of language and then decide whether or not they want to believe or do more research and make up their own mind. Most members here don't even look at the discussion threads because they either come to use the language forum or the chatroom. They are the sensible ones . And if they do read the discussion threads then I'm sure it's purely for entertainment value. They are the canny members and I don't think their silence means agreement with either side.

"U", I think you have had a touch of the TC heeby jeebies this last couple of days. I hope you feel better soon.

Peace and love

from

A Stepford Member







21.       bydand
755 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 01:11 pm

Sound advice from peacetrain uYkuSuz Welcome back after a long spell away by the way. I remember the help you gave to a lot of people before.

22.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 02:54 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:


Nope, that's not how it works. If you said "It's going to rain today" and I asked "Why are you afraid it's going to rain today?" it wouldn't mean I agree with you, but that I was looking for an explanation of your fear. It was an analogical situation


you know if the weather was not bad, i would not say that "it's going to rain today", and you would not say that "why are you afraid it's going to rain today" and you know the weather is really bad. You couldn't say "it's sunny" instead of saying "why are you afraid it's going to rain today"..

Quoting Daydreamer:


I cannot judge why your post got deleted, I haven't read it. But it's not true what you're writing, as long as threads are a discussion they're not locked - your critique of admin is a proof of that, nobody deleted it and you're free to show your discontent with Cat. As far as I remember the locked threads were those with personal insults, not those representing points of view different from Cat's.


it's true what i m writing,i know what has happened here. Many times, there were posts without any personal insult or something. We were disscussing. Your hero catwoman comes, posts the last post about her ideas, Then locks the topic. We could not defend the idea she is against.She says "Turks are bad".. its done.topic is locked.Is it what the fair and polite way you meant ?
She also deleted many posts of mine. You're not her and you dont know the situation,i understand you that you're her friend and trying to defend her and replying instead of her. But as many users also canli knows that she cant stand the idea she disagree, and she also deletes the posts without any personal attack.

Quoting Daydreamer:


The best solution is her to use this web site just as an user. At that time, she will be free about her posts. And ( i hope ) the posts that she disagree will not be deleted anymore.

Best for whom?


it's best for the ones whose posts are deleted and against catwomans ideas without any personal insult.

Quoting Daydreamer:


I am happy with her being an admin and I'm sure so are many other users. Of course you can't find a way to make everyone happy so no matter who is an admin, some people will always be dissatisfied. Admins are not elected by means of popular vote, you decided to join a site run by her from the very beginning. Live with it. Besides, not only admins delete posts, mods do that as well and the mods we have are not only those agreeing with Cat.


I am not happy with her being an admin and I'm sure so are many other users see the examples.
I didnt decide to a site run by he from the very beginning. When i was new, i thought she likes turks/muslim that's why she is admin of this website. Look what did she say above ?

- She is just an admin cause her husband is site-owner, not cause of the love and respect.

I didnt say anything bad about mods or other admins. Please dont try to change the subject. You know my problem is about her deleting the posts she disagree,she can't stand. and as an admin she should not have said those things.

Also;
You said you re not her lawyer and Catwoman can reply,you ll leave here for her to reply.You are here again, Where is catwoman ? She wanted you to reply ? -See i m criticizing catwoman, the woman that says "everybody has right to cricitize anything" has lost, and for her lawyers I should not criticize, I should live with it.. Curious, why she criticizes and does not live with "turks/islam" truth ? she should live with it as you said.

23.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 03:04 pm

Quoting peacetrain:

Yet another semantic battle.


This web site is all about forums, also its nothing without forums. So as you know new visitors/members will read her posts.

And I m just using my right to criticize catwoman, as she is doing it for the islam/turks. So i think nobody has problem with it..

24.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 03:35 pm

Quoting catwoman:


We tried to add more moderators with varying points of view, to make the site more balanced. Try to put yourself in the position of a moderator - what comments would you delete? You really cannot delete anything, unless it's a personal attack, so I don't think that my personal views are conflicting with doing the job of an admin.


I would like to believe this paragraph. You just dont delete the personal attacks. You also lock and delete the whole topic. I m not expecting you to tell that. If you're that honest about balancing. I have a suggestion then,

make canli admin

Also make some people admin till the numbers of people of both sides are equal then. If you're that serious...

25.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 05:17 pm

have you ever thought Canli may not want to be a Mod or an Admin? Perhaps many people have been asked and they have said "no thank you".

Actually, whatever, anyone's views on the mods' and Admins' decisions, they put themselves up there to be shot down even more than an ordinary member. So perhaps people don't actually want to be put in that position. On the other hand, others thrive on it .

26.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 05:27 pm

Quoting peacetrain:

have you ever thought Canli may not want to be a Mod or an Admin? Perhaps many people have been asked and they have said "no thank you".


it s just a suggestion, let her reply. It's up to her.

27.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 05:57 pm


Thank you uYkuSuz,nice of you to suggest such

But my main purpose when i first came to TLC was to learn Turkish,and the Forums keep taking me already away from that
Being admin or mod is a big responsibility toward members,and Türkiye of course
And it would take much to be fulfilled as it should be
so it will take me more away from my main purpose
As much as i would be honored ,but i have to decline your suggestion

Thank you again

28.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 06:12 pm

Quoting peacetrain:



Actually, whatever, anyone's views on the mods' and Admins' decisions, they put themselves up there to be shot down even more than an ordinary member. So perhaps people don't actually want to be put in that position. .


Yes,me would be condemning as the Nationalist İslamist Turk !
Even that im not Turk at all lolll lol

29.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 08:10 pm

Quoting uYkuSuz:

I would like to believe this paragraph. You just dont delete the personal attacks. You also lock and delete the whole topic. I m not expecting you to tell that. If you're that honest about balancing. I have a suggestion then,

make canli admin

Also make some people admin till the numbers of people of both sides are equal then. If you're that serious...


Well, you are just wrong. Nothing is locked or deleted somehow secretly because I disagree with the comments. And yes, personal attacks are deleted.

One of the main ideas of the forum is that there has to be freedom of speech and there is not that many Turks here right now who understand this idea and who had agreed to be moderators. Even though it would make you happy, we cannot have a moderator who will delete a comment which says that "Turks have oppressed and killed many Kurds".
I tried to balance the number of moderators with varying points of view and I think that the current moderators and admins are people who are understanding about the Turkish culture and can represent both sides.

I actually had thought of making Canli a moderator, unfortunately she declined before I could ask her.

30.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 08:39 pm

Quoting catwoman:


Well, you are just wrong. Nothing is locked or deleted somehow secretly because I disagree with the comments. And yes, personal attacks are deleted.

One of the main ideas of the forum is that there has to be freedom of speech and there is not that many Turks here right now who understand this idea and who had agreed to be moderators. Even though it would make you happy, we cannot have a moderator who will delete a comment which says that "Turks have oppressed and killed many Kurds".
I tried to balance the number of moderators with varying points of view and I think that the current moderators and admins are people who are understanding about the Turkish culture and can represent both sides.

I actually had thought of making Canli a moderator, unfortunately she declined before I could ask her.


catwoman is it really this part you understand ?.. We're saying you're one sided. The way you're is wrong and you are not good as an admin cause you dont respect and insult us. I cant see any reply about these, you even dont say that you're sorry after all those topics.

Why cant you tell me the reason for the topic you post
"What's wrong with muslims" instead of "A stupid guy's post"?

Now you're just saying that you dont delete the posts you disagree. You did it,also locked.(the reason i left here)..

I dont have any problem with current moderators. if you wanna balance it, you dont need to make someone admin actually. Just dont be an admin.it will balance. Use here as an user. Be honest. Dont delete anypost/topic that you disagree/cant stand.Also dont lock.I know its hard for you but think like "what if i m wrong"..

31.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 08:48 pm

Uykusuz, yes, I have my own opinions and that's none really of your business. Please, stop this because unfortunately, I will be an admin here. If you have some specific examples of deleted/locked threads/posts that you think shouldn't have been deleted/locked, bring that up here and we can deal with it.

By the way, if you are referring to some incidents from a few years ago, I am not sure, but you may be right. But things are better now, I believe.

32.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 09:12 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Uykusuz, yes, I have my own opinions and that's none really of your business. Please, stop this because unfortunately, I will be an admin here. If you have some specific examples of deleted/locked threads/posts that you think shouldn't have been deleted/locked, bring that up here and we can deal with it.


You could ask me for the another name, if you would be serious about balancing and if you wanna use here as an admin. Or you can tell here that you wont post anything insults turks/islam under turks/islam topics. Or, tell that you wont be one-sided.You are not telling anything. Make me believe that you have no problem with turks/islam. How can i believe you ?

Unfortunately i cant show the case i was in before, you know its hard to show the deleted topics. But if you really wanna deal with something,let's start then,firstly you can tell me the reason for the topic you post

"What's wrong with muslims" instead of "A stupid guy's post"?

You know there are some people supporting me, sending PMs, they cant even post their ideas here. Are you curious about the reason? Guess ?

33.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 09:59 pm

Uykusuz... I have no pleasure arguing with you, ok? Sorry that your posts in the past had been deleted unfairly, it is a shame. I'm sorry about it and I assure you that it won't happen again.

However, I have a problem with some of the parts of Islamic doctrine and actions and it is widely known that Islam takes no criticism. Yes, not all Muslims, but the mainstream, or majority... whatever. I said 'what's wrong with Muslims', because this is not the first time I've read this kind of comment! And why didn't you simply reply by saying "this guy is stupid, I don't agree with his comment and I don't know anybody who would agree", eh? This would be enough to show proof that not all Muslims are like that!!! But instead, you and others started raging "how did you dare to make that thread" - and you only proved my claim.

Btw, why can't 'those other people' voice their opinions? Go ahead, say it. And... thank you for your suggestions, but I don't need your help to make my decisions.

34.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 10:23 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Uykusuz... I have no pleasure arguing with you, ok? Sorry that your posts in the past had been deleted unfairly, it is a shame. I'm sorry about it and I assure you that it won't happen again.


Thank you.

Quoting catwoman:


However, I have a problem with some of the parts of Islamic doctrine and actions and it is widely known that Islam takes no criticism.


Why should you make the forum a part of your problem then? If you have a problem try to solve it yourself. Do you wanna solve it by posting non-sense videos and posts insulting turks/islam? Sorry but this is the sign of hate. You can see it yourself here after you get angry, for to revenge, you post a topic like : http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31431
do you relax after that ?

Quoting catwoman:


Yes, not all Muslims, but the mainstream, or majority... whatever. I said 'what's wrong with Muslims', because this is not the first time I've read this kind of comment! And why didn't you simply reply by saying "this guy is stupid, I don't agree with his comment and I don't know anybody who would agree", eh? This would be enough to show proof that not all Muslims are like that!!! But instead, you and others started raging "how did you dare to make that thread" - and you only proved my claim.


I didn't reply it by saying that, cause that does not work for you I know that cause I tried that before. Also you want us to prove that you're wrong when we say that "this guy is stupid, I don't agree with his comment and I don't know anybody who would agree"..and when we prove, you find another video. This is who you're..

Quoting catwoman:


Btw, why can't 'those other people' voice their opinions? Go ahead, say it. And... thank you for your suggestions, but I don't need your help to make my decisions.


Because you're saying "thank you for your suggestions, but I don't need your help to make my decisions." They are so hopeless, they dont even think that you will listen them. You cant think like "what if i m wrong".

35.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 10:51 pm

From my point of view, you display the exact same attitudes that you accuse me of - don't listen, don't try to understand, is hostile, hates... etc etc. Not just you of course. So... if you want someone to make effort to understand you, you have to do the same thing yourself.

Also.. you are very much prejudiced about me. If I said some of these things about you that you said about me, you would start another thread 'Catwoman hates Turks', yet, I'm here still talking to you and trying to understand... :-S

An argument like 'because you will find another video' is not an argument at all. It is a cop-out for not taking responsibility. If there is a Muslim person who says that he hates the West and westerners, that they will take over the world, then it's your responsibility to speak up against that, otherwise, your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement. You simply had responded inapropriately and only reinforced the idea that Muslims cannot handle any criticism and do not take responsibililty. They blindly support each other, even if it's a crime.

36.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 11:10 pm

Quoting catwoman:

From my point of view, you display the exact same attitudes that you accuse me of - don't listen, don't try to understand, is hostile, hates... etc etc. Not just you of course. So... if you want someone to make effort to understand you, you have to do the same thing yourself.


Read this topic from the beginning to the end. I replied every post/paragraph that you all said. i display same attitudes maybe that's cause of you could not reply any of my posts?-yes, still cant see any reply of you, even now, here you're still attacking,no reply, next post i ll remind you my questions again.

Quoting catwoman:


Also.. you are very much prejudiced about me. If I said some of these things about you that you said about me, you would start another thread 'Catwoman hates Turks', yet, I'm here still talking to you and trying to understand... :-S


I m not prejudiced. catwoman attacks for the second time? Search all the topics I created. You cant find any posts which is generalized like 'Catwoman hates Turks'.In this forum, just you and tommy can post it. I m just using my right to cricitize you, and my topic is clear, you should not be and admin. which is not "catwoman hates turks" , i m not you or tommy..I m against those kind of topics also told you this at my first reply.

Quoting catwoman:


An argument like 'because you will find another video' is not an argument at all. It is a cop-out for not taking responsibility. If there is a Muslim person who says that he hates the West and westerners, that they will take over the world, then it's your responsibility to speak up against that, otherwise, your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement. You simply had responded inapropriately and only reinforced the idea that Muslims cannot handle any criticism and do not take responsibililty. They blindly support each other, even if it's a crime.


You're saying "your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement" when we talk you are saying "you are not such a person". when we say "its not good what you're doing" you are saying "i can cricitize everything i want" when we prove you're not right you are saying "thank you for your suggestions, but I don't need your help to make my decisions".. I didn't responded or reinforced anything, I m just cricitizing you and saying you should be objective, honest, you should try to understand us. Again what you're doing, subject is you but you're saying "muslims cannot handle any cricitism" as bad as "what's wrong with muslims" i m not the only muslim. if there is something wrong with me you should say "uykusuz cannot handle any cricitism."..This is as bad as racism.

37.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 11:41 pm

Quoting uYkuSuz:

You're saying "your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement" when we talk you are saying "you are not such a person". when we say "its not good what you're doing" you are saying "i can cricitize everything i want" when we prove you're not right you are saying "thank you for your suggestions, but I don't need your help to make my decisions".. I didn't responded or reinforced anything, I m just cricitizing you and saying you should be objective, honest, you should try to understand us. Again what you're doing, subject is you but you're saying "muslims cannot handle any cricitism" as bad as "what's wrong with muslims" i m not the only muslim. if there is something wrong with me you should say "uykusuz cannot handle any cricitism."..This is as bad as racism.


I really don't have time to debate with you forever, but here in particular you are mixing up a lot of different issues.
Understand that I did not say that 'because uykusuz cannot handle criticism, therefore all muslims can't'. I can see around everywhere that most muslims cannot handle criticism and you just confirm this pattern. ok?

You didn't prove that I'm not right! hehehe You said that I should have asked you for other people to be mods and I said that I don't need your help to make my decisions. Geeezzz... get more logical, please.

Yes, I can criticize your religion and I can give you reasons why I criticize and for what. There is a lot of variety in Islam, for sure, but there are very bad things going on in the name of Islam and I don't hear many Muslims rioting against it, like they riot against criticism of their religion. Do you see a problem with it?

38.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 12:01 am

Quoting catwoman:


I really don't have time to debate with you forever, but here in particular you are mixing up a lot of different issues.


I have enough time to remind your questions.

Quoting catwoman:


Understand that I did not say that 'because uykusuz cannot handle criticism, therefore all muslims can't'. I can see around everywhere that most muslims cannot handle criticism and you just confirm this pattern. ok?


did you try to cricitize over 1.5 billion muslim in the world ? uykusuz over 1.5 billion. I like the logic. maybe the problem is with you, you're the only admin that says it here. also the one in the websites that i m member of like turkishclass.

Quoting catwoman:


You didn't prove that I'm not right! hehehe You said that I should have asked you for other people to be mods and I said that I don't need your help to make my decisions. Geeezzz... get more logical, please.


I m not just asked you for other people, read the whole paragraph please, You were acting like serious, and i proved that you are not serious then you said that "I don't need your help to make my decisions" and if you're lying about something, when i prove that you're lying, that makes you right or wrong ?-wrong. get more logical, please.

Quoting catwoman:


Yes, I can criticize your religion and I can give you reasons why I criticize and for what. There is a lot of variety in Islam, for sure, but there are very bad things going on in the name of Islam and I don't hear many Muslims rioting against it, like they riot against criticism of their religion. Do you see a problem with it?



I have a problem;
Yes, I can criticize you and I can give you reasons why I criticize and for what. There is a lot of variety in you, for sure, but there are very bad things going on in the name of administration and I don't hear many users rioting against it, like they riot against you. Do you see a problem with it?

39.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 02:21 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

I have a problem;
Yes, I can criticize you and I can give you reasons why I criticize and for what. There is a lot of variety in you, for sure, but there are very bad things going on in the name of administration and I don't hear many users rioting against it, like they riot against you. Do you see a problem with it?


Hahahahah. Thank goodness that I am NOT killing innocent people in the name of administration because they left the web site, or criticized me, or god-forbid had sex before marriage, or held hands in public!

40.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 02:26 am

Quoting catwoman:


Hahahahah. Thank goodness that I am NOT killing innocent people in the name of administration because they left the web site, or criticized me, or god-forbid had sex before marriage, or held hands in public!


Is this what the islam for you ?..
wow then.

41.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 02:30 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Quoting catwoman:


Hahahahah. Thank goodness that I am NOT killing innocent people in the name of administration because they left the web site, or criticized me, or god-forbid had sex before marriage, or held hands in public!


Is this what the islam for you ?..
wow then.


This is what I criticize. Because muslims don't criticize it.

42.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 02:52 am

Quoting catwoman:


Yes, I can criticize your religion and I can give you reasons why I criticize and for what. There is a lot of variety in Islam, for sure, but there are very bad things going on in the name of Islam and I don't hear many Muslims rioting against it, like they riot against criticism of their religion. Do you see a problem with it?



It's not that you criticize, it's that the very disrespectful, demeaning and uninformed manner that you do it in. It's not an intelligent debate, you find very biased propaganda that takes quotes out of context and present them as fact. Many times I have sent you information regarding dscholars and leaders who DO speak out against the radical so called 'Islamic Fundamentalism', but you seem to dismiss them. At least, I see nothing that shows you pay half as much attention to them as you do to MEMRI material.

You know theology is a vast topic, not something that you can just do a silly demeaning little youtube clip about. In particular when they are sponsored by MEMRI. I feel what is done here is in fact very provocative. It does nothing to foster greater understanding and tolerance between peoples, instead what it does is inflame, hurt and divide people.

43.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 02:59 am

Alameda, the truth is that it's impossible to criticize Islam without being disrespectful. It's impossible to say the truth as it is without someone getting offended. Also, based on the past arguments - you dismiss all sources that say something that you don't agree with.

To remind you, I don't care about islamic theology. I only care about the actions of muslims in the name of Islam. And in all islamic places that I look at, bad things are being done in the name of religion and few muslims stand up against it. In the west, where there is freedom of speech - how many muslims say that saudi way of practicing islam is horrendous? that human rights are violated in unimaginable ways? same with Iran, same with Africa... The answer is none or very few who are persecuted in the muslim communities.
Examples are countless.

44.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 03:14 am

Quoting catwoman:

Alameda, the truth is that it's impossible to criticize Islam without being disrespectful. It's impossible to say the truth as it is without someone getting offended. Also, based on the past arguments - you dismiss all sources that say something that you don't agree with.

To remind you, I don't care about islamic theology. I only care about the actions of muslims in the name of Islam. And in all islamic places that I look at, bad things are being done in the name of religion and few muslims stand up against it. In the west, where there is freedom of speech - how many muslims say that saudi way of practicing islam is horrendous? that human rights are violated in unimaginable ways? same with Iran, same with Africa... The answer is none or very few who are persecuted in the muslim communities.
Examples are countless.



There are diplomatic methods and provocative methods. One can question, or criticize based on ones perception based on propaganda. Or, one can do serious research and question based on knowledgeable research. What do you do? You make fun of Muslims arranged marriage. Make fun of women who cover. You come from a different culture and don't understand, but instead of trying to understand, you make fun and post demeaning posts. What is the purpose of that? What do you think the outcome of that will be?

Open your eyes and look at the world around you. Do you think inventing and using horrible ways to kill people like napalm, white phosphorous, and the many hideous ways to immobilize and kill people is any better? Why don't you speak out about that, instead of persecuting further the current victims of those atrocities?

45.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 03:20 am

Quoting alameda:

There are diplomatic methods and provocative methods. One can question, or criticize based on ones perception based on propaganda. Or, one can do serious research and question based on knowledgeable research. What do you do? You make fun of Muslims arranged marriage. Make fun of women who cover. You come from a different culture and don't understand, but instead of trying to understand, you make fun and post demeaning posts. What is the purpose of that? What do you think the outcome of that will be?

Open your eyes and look at the world around you. Do you think inventing and using horrible ways to kill people like napalm, white phosphorous, and the many hideous ways to immobilize and kill people is any better? Why don't you speak out about that, instead of persecuting further the current victims of those atrocities?


I don't make fun of arranged marriages, I just say that they are horrible. And I cannot comprehend why you don't say the same thing - if you claim to be so humanistic. I do not condone traditions, just because they are traditions, ok?

Now you are twisting the argument again. Victims of western violence is one thing, and victims of muslim violence against themselves and others is another, ok? Right now we are talking about the second one.

46.       CANLI
5084 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 03:32 am

Quoting catwoman:



Now you are twisting the argument again. Victims of western violence is one thing, and victims of muslim violence against themselves and others is another, ok? Right now we are talking about the second one.



Ohhh cat
You mean we gonna skip what the West doing in and to İslamic country and we should concentrate on attacking them as well ?

Ok,how much are the Victims of western violence , and how much are the victims of muslim violence against themselves and others ?
How many persons have died by each ?!
İn the war of İraq Bush declaired it as the new Crusade
So how about that for the Western,or should i say then,the Christian violence ?!
İ could quote your quoting here too cat,about the straw,remember it ?!

47.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 03:35 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting alameda:

There are diplomatic methods and provocative methods. One can question, or criticize based on ones perception based on propaganda. Or, one can do serious research and question based on knowledgeable research. What do you do? You make fun of Muslims arranged marriage. Make fun of women who cover. You come from a different culture and don't understand, but instead of trying to understand, you make fun and post demeaning posts. What is the purpose of that? What do you think the outcome of that will be?

Open your eyes and look at the world around you. Do you think inventing and using horrible ways to kill people like napalm, white phosphorous, and the many hideous ways to immobilize and kill people is any better? Why don't you speak out about that, instead of persecuting further the current victims of those atrocities?


I don't make fun of arranged marriages, I just say that they are horrible. And I cannot comprehend why you don't say the same thing - if you claim to be so humanistic. I do not condone traditions, just because they are traditions, ok?

Now you are twisting the argument again. Victims of western violence is one thing, and victims of muslim violence against themselves and others is another, ok? Right now we are talking about the second one.



Well the fact is most arranged marriages work out quite well. Given the state of marriage in the West, I really don't think you have anything to talk about. You really don't understand the process, so you think it's horrible. The fact of the matter the West is actually starting to change and we now see a proliferation of match making services and sites. Some are "high tech" some are not, but the process is the same.

48.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 03:43 am

Quoting catwoman:

Alameda, the truth is that it's impossible to criticize Islam without being disrespectful.


You're not the only one that cricitizes islam.
I m living near the seaside, we also discuss about islam in respectful way. For example they keep asking me, do muslims marry 3 times. etc. I explain them everything. I think this is what the respect is.

You can cricitize Islam without being disrespectful
Even the youtube videos,i have never seen a person that says;

"Thank goodness that I am NOT killing innocent people in the name of administration because they left the web site, or criticized me, or god-forbid had sex before marriage, or held hands in public!"

and names it as "cricitism".

49.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 04:12 am

Quoting CANLI:

Ohhh cat
You mean we gonna skip what the West doing in and to İslamic country and we should concentrate on attacking them as well ?

Ok,how much are the Victims of western violence , and how much are the victims of muslim violence against themselves and others ?
How many persons have died by each ?!
İn the war of İraq Bush declaired it as the new Crusade
So how about that for the Western,or should i say then,the Christian violence ?!
İ could quote your quoting here too cat,about the straw,remember it ?!


Actually, I read some statistics (I will quote them when I find) that there are more victims of muslim violence against each other then western violence in muslim countries.
At the same time, of course invading the middle east for oil (yes, for oil, not for religion) is despicable and contemptible. And Bush and Blair had to lie to the public to be able to do this. Still there were and are protests against it. It's absolutely despicable.

The problem is that you are using the west as an excuse for your own problems.

50.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 04:14 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

You're not the only one that cricitizes islam.
I m living near the seaside, we also discuss about islam in respectful way. For example they keep asking me, do muslims marry 3 times. etc. I explain them everything. I think this is what the respect is.


So what do you say about those men who do marry 4 times and who marry 9 year old girls in muslim countries? Yes, they probably don't do it in Turkey very much, but in some countries they do... because prophet Mohammed did it. Do you approve? Or do you criticize it?

51.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 04:18 am

Quoting alameda:

Well the fact is most arranged marriages work out quite well. Given the state of marriage in the West, I really don't think you have anything to talk about. You really don't understand the process, so you think it's horrible. The fact of the matter the West is actually starting to change and we now see a proliferation of match making services and sites. Some are "high tech" some are not, but the process is the same.


Alameda, we discussed this before already! In the west, there are consenting adults, who do with their lives what fits them best, even if it's an arranged marriage. In the west, people divorce when they are not happy and it's their basic right to do so. There's nothing wrong with marriages in the west. There are other problems, but not that.

You are completely ignoring the fact that most arranged marriages are marriages of little girls. Girls which are 12 - 15 are sold by their parents to twice or three times older men. Other arranged marriages again do not allow the woman to get any education or career of her own, it always leaves her dependent, almost a slave of the 'husband'. If these arranged marriages were free and equal, it would not be a problem at all. Are you that naive about this?

52.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 04:29 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting uYkuSuz:

You're not the only one that cricitizes islam.
I m living near the seaside, we also discuss about islam in respectful way. For example they keep asking me, do muslims marry 3 times. etc. I explain them everything. I think this is what the respect is.


So what do you say about those men who do marry 4 times and who marry 9 year old girls in muslim countries? Yes, they probably don't do it in Turkey very much, but in some countries they do... because prophet Mohammed did it. Do you approve? Or do you criticize it?


Some of the countries except Turkey and who are not religion they also marry. Of course I dont approve marriage with children.

Also child-abuse on internet started in USA. %85 of those materials are hosted/done in USA which are known by the CIA, We're living in 2008 btw. Think about it..

Netherlands ; child-abuse party. You should check it out. in 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5038682.stm

Also prophet Mohammed married cause at that time non-muslims were killing children. For the protect her. He married her. when she is an adult, they totally married if that is what you meant.

Why dont you cricitize USA/Netherlands then. In 2008 what they are doing ? What's wrong with you is, there are 3 cases above, you're blind about others, cant see any post of you about others.

53.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 04:33 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Some of the countries except Turkey and who are not religion they also marry. Of course I dont approve marriage with children.

Also child-abuse on internet started in USA. %85 of those materials are hosted/done in USA which are known by the CIA, We're living in 2008 btw. Think about it..

Netherlands ; child-abuse party. You should check it out. in 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5038682.stm

Also prophet Mohammed married cause at that time non-muslims were killing children. For the protect her. He married her. when she is an adult, they totally married if that is what you meant.

Why dont you cricitize USA/Netherlands then. In 2008 what they are doing ? What's wrong with you is, there are 3 cases above, you're blind about others, cant see any post of you about others.


Of course I criticize those things, everybody criticizes them. It is actually considered to be criminal behavior, you know?
Unlike in those islamic countries, where marrying children is the social norm. There are even no statistics about it for those countries.

54.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 04:37 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Some of the countries except Turkey and who are not religion they also marry. Of course I dont approve marriage with children.

Also child-abuse on internet started in USA. %85 of those materials are hosted/done in USA which are known by the CIA, We're living in 2008 btw. Think about it..

Netherlands ; child-abuse party. You should check it out. in 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5038682.stm

Also prophet Mohammed married cause at that time non-muslims were killing children. For the protect her. He married her. when she is an adult, they totally married if that is what you meant.

Why dont you cricitize USA/Netherlands then. In 2008 what they are doing ? What's wrong with you is, there are 3 cases above, you're blind about others, cant see any post of you about others.


Of course I criticize those things, everybody criticizes them. It is actually considered to be criminal behavior, you know?
Unlike in those islamic countries, where marrying children is the social norm. There are even no statistics about it for those countries.


So angel; why cant i see your posts about them then?
As you said "your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement" I didnt see any posts of you so you agree?
or you solved those in west, and you're showing us the problems in east.

55.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 04:44 am

Quoting catwoman:


Alameda, we discussed this before already!



Catwoman, I don't think you quite have your finger on the pulse of this site. In case you hadn't noticed, most of the content of the debates, you instigated with the thread "What is wrong with Muslimes?" has been discussed already . . . many times.

56.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 04:53 am

Catwoman, again you are talking about the MOST extreme cases. You are talking about something quite different that that which I referred to. For your information it is against Islamic law to marry anyone against their will. Also, marriage can not be consummated with a child, that is against the law and against Islamic law.

I don't know where you are getting your information. The only country that has laws that allow the marriage of young girls is Yemen, not exactly a typical example.

Are we to take the example of the FLDS Church as the typical US marriage, your example is as ridiculous.

Quoting catwoman:



Alameda, we discussed this before already! In the west, there are consenting adults, who do with their lives what fits them best, even if it's an arranged marriage. In the west, people divorce when they are not happy and it's their basic right to do so. There's nothing wrong with marriages in the west. There are other problems, but not that.

You are completely ignoring the fact that most arranged marriages are marriages of little girls. Girls which are 12 - 15 are sold by their parents to twice or three times older men. Other arranged marriages again do not allow the woman to get any education or career of her own, it always leaves her dependent, almost a slave of the 'husband'. If these arranged marriages were free and equal, it would not be a problem at all. Are you that naive about this?



57.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 05:13 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Some of the countries except Turkey and who are not religion they also marry. Of course I dont approve marriage with children.

Also child-abuse on internet started in USA. %85 of those materials are hosted/done in USA which are known by the CIA, We're living in 2008 btw. Think about it..

Netherlands ; child-abuse party. You should check it out. in 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5038682.stm

Also prophet Mohammed married cause at that time non-muslims were killing children. For the protect her. He married her. when she is an adult, they totally married if that is what you meant.

Why dont you cricitize USA/Netherlands then. In 2008 what they are doing ? What's wrong with you is, there are 3 cases above, you're blind about others, cant see any post of you about others.


Of course I criticize those things, everybody criticizes them. It is actually considered to be criminal behavior, you know?
Unlike in those islamic countries, where marrying children is the social norm. There are even no statistics about it for those countries.


So angel; why cant i see your posts about them then?
As you said "your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement" I didnt see any posts of you so you agree?
or you solved those in west, and you're showing us the problems in east.



Silence =

1. I agree
2. I disagree
3. I don't understand the conversation, so I'm steering well clear
4. I'm neutral
5. I'm a Trappist Monk (actually it's a bit of a myth that they take a vow of silence)

6. I couldn't give a fig

58.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 05:27 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

So angel; why cant i see your posts about them then?
As you said "your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement" I didnt see any posts of you so you agree?
or you solved those in west, and you're showing us the problems in east.


Mostly I focus on issues that are not criticized enough - pornography, Islam, patriarchy in the west, racism and sexism in the west. These issues are more difficult and the mainstream has accepted one version or another for their convenience. As far as Islam, people are afraid to criticize it... for fear of their lives.
Topics like child abuse and molestation is obvious and easy.

59.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 05:29 am

Quoting peacetrain:


Silence =

1. I agree
2. I disagree
3. I don't understand the conversation, so I'm steering well clear
4. I'm neutral
5. I'm a Trappist Monk (actually it's a bit of a myth that they take a vow of silence)

6. I couldn't give a fig


Peacetrain, you have too much time on your hands?

60.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 05:37 am

Quoting alameda:

Catwoman, again you are talking about the MOST extreme cases. You are talking about something quite different that that which I referred to. For your information it is against Islamic law to marry anyone against their will. Also, marriage can not be consummated with a child, that is against the law and against Islamic law.

I don't know where you are getting your information. The only country that has laws that allow the marriage of young girls is Yemen, not exactly a typical example.


Alameda, I'll get back with you later on this topic, when I have a little more time.

61.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 05:39 am

Quoting catwoman:

As far as Islam, people are afraid to criticize it... for fear of their lives.
Topics like child abuse and molestation is obvious and easy.


Nobody is afraid to cricitize Islam.
And do you wanna cricitize it by posting non-sense posts/videos ?. posting topics like "what's wrong with muslims" ?
Also this post is from you :

"Hahahahah. Thank goodness that I am NOT killing innocent people in the name of administration because they left the web site, or criticized me, or god-forbid had sex before marriage, or held hands in public!"

Is this the thing that you name as "cricitize" ?
To cricitize netherlands people should i post ;

"Hahahahah. Thank goodness that I m not living in a country that has a child abuse party"


62.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 05:42 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Nobody is afraid to cricitize Islam.
And do you wanna cricitize it by posting non-sense posts/videos ?. posting topics like "what's wrong with muslims" ?
Also this post is from you :

"Hahahahah. Thank goodness that I am NOT killing innocent people in the name of administration because they left the web site, or criticized me, or god-forbid had sex before marriage, or held hands in public!"

Is this the thing that you name as "cricitize" ?
To cricitize netherlands people should i post ;

"Hahahahah. Thank goodness that I m not living in a country that has a child abuse party"


Uykusuz, you are getting irrational. I said that thing as part of your own game, ok? If you were serious and honest, I'd reply in the same manner, but you were not! Geeezzz!!!

63.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 05:47 am

Quoting catwoman:


Uykusuz, you are getting irrational. I said that thing as part of your own game, ok? If you were serious and honest, I'd reply in the same manner, but you were not! Geeezzz!!!


Now will you say that all the posts that you're wrong are part of uykusuz's game ? I m not playing any game, I m serious and honest.. The one lying is you..Do you remember about balancing the mods ? Just again you're attacking, its all you can do.you can't think and reply. Coz of this we can't solve this problem.

I think 62 posts later, again there wont be any solution cause you could not find any answer.then you'll say this time it's alameda's game.. See how a person you're. How you're escaping.

Some people have no honour.

64.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 06:06 am

Quoting alameda:

Catwoman, again you are talking about the MOST extreme cases. You are talking about something quite different that that which I referred to. For your information it is against Islamic law to marry anyone against their will. Also, marriage can not be consummated with a child, that is against the law and against Islamic law.

I don't know where you are getting your information. The only country that has laws that allow the marriage of young girls is Yemen, not exactly a typical example.

Are we to take the example of the FLDS Church as the typical US marriage, your example is as ridiculous.

Quoting catwoman:



Alameda, we discussed this before already! In the west, there are consenting adults, who do with their lives what fits them best, even if it's an arranged marriage. In the west, people divorce when they are not happy and it's their basic right to do so. There's nothing wrong with marriages in the west. There are other problems, but not that.

You are completely ignoring the fact that most arranged marriages are marriages of little girls. Girls which are 12 - 15 are sold by their parents to twice or three times older men. Other arranged marriages again do not allow the woman to get any education or career of her own, it always leaves her dependent, almost a slave of the 'husband'. If these arranged marriages were free and equal, it would not be a problem at all. Are you that naive about this?



All she can do is attacking, so extreme cases are ok for her. She could not answer any of our questions. She thinks she cant cricitize Islam without disrecpectful way. This is who she is...

65.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 06:16 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Quoting catwoman:


Uykusuz, you are getting irrational. I said that thing as part of your own game, ok? If you were serious and honest, I'd reply in the same manner, but you were not! Geeezzz!!!


Now will you say that all the posts that you're wrong are part of uykusuz's game ? I m not playing any game, I m serious and honest.. The one lying is you..Do you remember about balancing the mods ? Just again you're attacking, its all you can do.you can't think and reply. Coz of this we can't solve this problem.

I think 62 posts later, again there wont be any solution cause you could not find any answer.then you'll say this time it's alameda's game.. See how a person you're. How you're escaping.

Some people have no honour.


Well... clearly we have different concepts of what a conversation is. Your original post and everything after that is meant to attack me, but you don't count that, right? You only expect to take, not much to give - in this case, it's 'understanding' of the other person's point of view. You simply want me to accept what you say.
Oh, you don't know what game I'm talking about? Forgot?
I think 62 posts later, again there wont be any solution cause you could not find any answer. then you'll say this time it's alameda's game.. See how a person you're. How you're escaping.
Some people have no honour.

You consider this kind of talking a conversation that is supposed to lead somewhere? (and when it doesn't it's of course my fault!) And when I copy your own technique, then it's an attack, right? Look in the mirror uykusuz, ok?

66.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 12:52 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Quoting catwoman:


Uykusuz, you are getting irrational. I said that thing as part of your own game, ok? If you were serious and honest, I'd reply in the same manner, but you were not! Geeezzz!!!


Now will you say that all the posts that you're wrong are part of uykusuz's game ? I m not playing any game, I m serious and honest.. The one lying is you..Do you remember about balancing the mods ? Just again you're attacking, its all you can do.you can't think and reply. Coz of this we can't solve this problem.

I think 62 posts later, again there wont be any solution cause you could not find any answer.then you'll say this time it's alameda's game.. See how a person you're. How you're escaping.

Some people have no honour.


Well... clearly we have different concepts of what a conversation is. Your original post and everything after that is meant to attack me, but you don't count that, right? You only expect to take, not much to give - in this case, it's 'understanding' of the other person's point of view. You simply want me to accept what you say.
Oh, you don't know what game I'm talking about? Forgot?
I think 62 posts later, again there wont be any solution cause you could not find any answer. then you'll say this time it's alameda's game.. See how a person you're. How you're escaping.
Some people have no honour.

You consider this kind of talking a conversation that is supposed to lead somewhere? (and when it doesn't it's of course my fault!) And when I copy your own technique, then it's an attack, right? Look in the mirror uykusuz, ok?


Catwoman, you are getting irrational. I said that thing as part of your own game, ok? If you were serious and honest, I'd reply in the same manner, but you were not! Geeezzz!!!

And when I copy your own technique, then it's an attack, right? Look in the mirror Catwoman, ok?

67.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 01:00 pm

What does "Geeezz!" mean? I have a feeling it is something quite important because of the "!".

68.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 01:23 pm

Quoting peacetrain:

What does "Geeezz!" mean? I have a feeling it is something quite important because of the "!".


(:

69.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 07:15 pm

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Catwoman, you are getting irrational. I said that thing as part of your own game, ok? If you were serious and honest, I'd reply in the same manner, but you were not! Geeezzz!!!

And when I copy your own technique, then it's an attack, right? Look in the mirror Catwoman, ok?


70.       Rocco Siffredi
60 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 07:45 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Catwoman, you are getting irrational. I said that thing as part of your own game, ok? If you were serious and honest, I'd reply in the same manner, but you were not! Geeezzz!!!

And when I copy your own technique, then it's an attack, right? Look in the mirror Catwoman, ok?




you can't answer this, cat. hahahahaha!!! just putting those silly emoticons.

again, if you don't like islam religion and turkish people, why have you married with a turkish guy (the real admin of this site)? how do you take the right of making shits in here? doesn't your husband read your pukings to his country, religion, and identity in this site? very interessante! it's absurd, ain't it? if i were your husband, i'd eject you from my entire life really. how does he still put up with you?

i think you have no achievements in your life and you only have been an admin of this site by bilking your husband. otherwise those things could not have been happened truly. besies, you owe a lot of things to your husband.

kisses.

ps: keep in mind, islam and christianity are the same shits. let the people live their own life and religions. why you have so many complexes? i don't know. grazie.

71.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 08:28 pm

Rocco (Adonis), really... I think you are better at other things then contributing here, so stick to them.

72.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 08:31 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Rocco (Adonis), really... I think you are better at other things then contributing here, so stick to them.



You still bother to reply to him? lol some people will NEVER learn to provide arguments and will always be just whining

73.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 08:42 pm

Quoting catwoman:



Oh, you don't know what game I'm talking about? Forgot?
Uykusuz, you are getting irrational. I said that thing as part of your own game, ok? If you were serious and honest, I'd reply in the same manner, but you were not! Geeezzz!!!

74.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 08:54 pm

Uykusuz, stop copying me, ok? Invent something of your own.

75.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 09:09 pm

Quoting Rocco Siffredi:





how do you take the right of making shits in here? doesn't your husband read your pukings to his country, religion, and identity in this site? very interessante! it's absurd, ain't it? if i were your husband, i'd eject you from my entire life really. how does he still put up with you?

i think you have no achievements in your life and you only have been an admin of this site by bilking your husband. otherwise those things could not have been happened truly. besies, you owe a lot of things to your husband.

kisses.

ps: keep in mind, islam and christianity are the same shits. let the people live their own life and religions. why you have so many complexes? i don't know. grazie.



Rocco, you left the few grey cells you have in your backside again. Stop being such a prat and go and wash your mouth out with soapy water.

I just realised where I've seen you before:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7598af_aCYo

76.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 09:20 pm

Quoting peacetrain:



http://youtube.com/watch?v=7598af_aCYo


lol lol lol

77.       Rocco Siffredi
60 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 10:13 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting catwoman:

Rocco (Adonis), really... I think you are better at other things then contributing here, so stick to them.



You still bother to reply to him? lol some people will NEVER learn to provide arguments and will always be just whining



hunnies, i really don't understand you. who is Adonis? what did he do? was he an ex-user in this site? why do you assimilate me to him? maybe his style is similar to me, i don't know, but keep in mind, i'm not Adonis. besides, i don't need to assure you that i was not him, but it seems he had harrassed you a lot because you still mentioning about him.

you are all simple, incurable polish women. you have no achievements in your life and just puking here. please keep in mind that your silly pukings would never dirt the people's religions and identities. you have no existence in the world.

polish yourself at first. sweet kisses. Dziękujemy.

78.       teaschip
3870 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 12:13 am

Geez a whole thread on catwoman...I'm jealous..

79.       AEnigmamagnadea
416 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 12:15 am

Quoting teaschip:

Geez



80.       catwoman
8933 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 12:15 am

Quoting teaschip:

Geez a whole thread on catwoman...I'm jealous..




If you try harder, maybe someone will also start a thread about you! For example: "Teaschip believes in American propaganda", or "Teaschip insults our national identity, she should request to be deleted.."
Possibilities are endless, just explore them a little bit more...

81.       teaschip
3870 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 12:22 am

Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:

Quoting teaschip:

Geez





Let's try gee whiz. lol

82.       teaschip
3870 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 12:24 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip:

Geez a whole thread on catwoman...I'm jealous..




If you try harder, maybe someone will also start a thread about you! For example: "Teaschip believes in American propaganda", or "Teaschip insults our national identity, she should request to be deleted.."
Possibilities are endless, just explore them a little bit more...



I always said that it's better to be talked about than not talked about at all. Enjoy the spot light.

83.       catwoman
8933 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 12:32 am

Quoting teaschip:

I always said that it's better to be talked about than not talked about at all. Enjoy the spot light.


I dare to disagree...

84.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 02:09 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip:

Geez a whole thread on catwoman...I'm jealous..




If you try harder, maybe someone will also start a thread about you! For example: "Teaschip believes in American propaganda", or "Teaschip insults our national identity, she should request to be deleted.."
Possibilities are endless, just explore them a little bit more...


I agree ..

it could be just you and tommy that start a thread like "what's wrong with muslims/christians". You cant find any other. Dunno by saying this, you insult yourself or tommy ?

you know catwoman, it's about 9th of the page about you, and you could not even answer one of my questions. See how empty your posts are. You also promised me about balancing the mods.. This is the honest/honour you have.

85.       catwoman
8933 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 03:04 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

it could be just you and tommy that start a thread like "what's wrong with muslims/christians". You cant find any other. Dunno by saying this, you insult yourself or tommy ?

you know catwoman, it's about 9th of the page about you, and you could not even answer one of my questions. See how empty your posts are. You also promised me about balancing the mods.. This is the honest/honour you have.


Well... I don't expect you to say something about yourself, so you didn't surprise me. Your posts are equally empty as mine, if not worse. And... I did not give you any promises.
And... are you sure you want me to get into the "honor" issues? I don't think so! So stay away from this kind of judgments, ok?

86.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 03:12 am

That is enough ya..
Last 4 days, we have been going to bed with this thread at the top, waking up with this thread at the top.
Please yani..
Can we lock this thread?

87.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 03:41 am

Quoting thehandsom:

That is enough ya..
Last 4 days, we have been going to bed with this thread at the top, waking up with this thread at the top.
Please yani..
Can we lock this thread?


"if you don't like it, you always have a choice"
( as daydreamer said me here ; http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31666 )
Also ;
"live with it"
( as daydreamer said me here;
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31666_2 )

88.       catwoman
8933 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 04:11 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:


"if you don't like it, you always have a choice"
( as daydreamer said me here ; http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31666 )
Also ;
"live with it"
( as daydreamer said me here;
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31666_2 )


Uykusuz, you are again mixing up certain concepts... Would you like me to explain them to you?

Daydreamer:
"Here you're free to criticise Cat's opinions just as she is free to criticise yours. If you don't like it, you always have a choice, there's plenty of forums that praise the beaches, food and weather."

"Best for whom? I am happy with her being an admin and I'm sure so are many other users. Of course you can't find a way to make everyone happy so no matter who is an admin, some people will always be dissatisfied. Admins are not elected by means of popular vote, you decided to join a site run by her from the very beginning. Live with it. Besides, not only admins delete posts, mods do that as well and the mods we have are not only those agreeing with Cat."


Disagreeing with a statement, topic... is one issue. Going on and on and on about one topic is another... stalking a member, constant aggression and attacks (that you should at this point move to a PM conversation if you still have a problem).

I am not going to lock this thread myself, although I probably would if it was about somebody else.

89.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 04:48 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting uYkuSuz:


"if you don't like it, you always have a choice"
( as daydreamer said me here ; http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31666 )
Also ;
"live with it"
( as daydreamer said me here;
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31666_2 )


Uykusuz, you are again mixing up certain concepts... Would you like me to explain them to you?

Daydreamer:
"Here you're free to criticise Cat's opinions just as she is free to criticise yours. If you don't like it, you always have a choice, there's plenty of forums that praise the beaches, food and weather."

"Best for whom? I am happy with her being an admin and I'm sure so are many other users. Of course you can't find a way to make everyone happy so no matter who is an admin, some people will always be dissatisfied. Admins are not elected by means of popular vote, you decided to join a site run by her from the very beginning. Live with it. Besides, not only admins delete posts, mods do that as well and the mods we have are not only those agreeing with Cat."


Disagreeing with a statement, topic... is one issue. Going on and on and on about one topic is another... stalking a member, constant aggression and attacks (that you should at this point move to a PM conversation if you still have a problem).

I am not going to lock this thread myself, although I probably would if it was about somebody else.


Now you believe Daydreamer???
let me remind your post ;

Daydreamer:
"I cannot judge why your post got deleted, I haven't read it. But it's not true what you're writing, as long as threads are a discussion they're not locked - your critique of admin is a proof of that, nobody deleted it and you're free to show your discontent with Cat. As far as I remember the locked threads were those with personal insults, not those representing points of view different from Cat's."


Can you see "personal insult" here ?

"Disagreeing with a statement, topic... is one issue. Going on and on and on about one topic is another... stalking a member, constant aggression and attacks (that you should at this point move to a PM conversation if you still have a problem)."

again Daydreamer:
"I have all the right to express my opinion You may bark up every tree saying what you don't like and so can everybody else - it's a public forum"

90.       catwoman
8933 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 05:23 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Now you believe Daydreamer???
let me remind your post ;

Daydreamer:
"I cannot judge why your post got deleted, I haven't read it. But it's not true what you're writing, as long as threads are a discussion they're not locked - your critique of admin is a proof of that, nobody deleted it and you're free to show your discontent with Cat. As far as I remember the locked threads were those with personal insults, not those representing points of view different from Cat's."


Can you see "personal insult" here ?

"Disagreeing with a statement, topic... is one issue. Going on and on and on about one topic is another... stalking a member, constant aggression and attacks (that you should at this point move to a PM conversation if you still have a problem)."

again Daydreamer:
"I have all the right to express my opinion You may bark up every tree saying what you don't like and so can everybody else - it's a public forum"


Why don't you give a normal response with your own thoughts? I have no idea what you're talking about! PM me if you have issues that you think need to be solved. Otherwise, it's ridiculous to keep on responding to you.

91.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 08:14 am

lol what about a thread what DD meant Why do I have the feeling that Uykusuz missed the whole point? Let me try to get my message in points so that to avoid further confusion:

1. Everybody can criticise/disagree with somebody else's point of view

2. Criticising/disagreeing cannot take form of personal insults

3. It's illogical you should speak about censoring your posts on TC when the thread that consist of nothing but criticising Cat is still here

And that's it. I agree with Thehandsom that this thread is getting tedious - we all got your message Uykusuz - you don't like Cat, you disagree with her, you don't want to be admin, you believe your posts have been deleted without a reason. Now, do you expect her to change only because you want her to?

92.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 08:14 am

Quoting thehandsom:

That is enough ya..
Last 4 days, we have been going to bed with this thread at the top, waking up with this thread at the top.
Please yani..
Can we lock this thread?


Well I think it is up to us to stop responding to this ridiculousness.
Let the small minded people continue their ranting and they will only continue to show how little they understand about the concepts of "opinions" and "dicussions".

93.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 08:28 am

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting thehandsom:

That is enough ya..
Last 4 days, we have been going to bed with this thread at the top, waking up with this thread at the top.
Please yani..
Can we lock this thread?


Well I think it is up to us to stop responding to this ridiculousness.
Let the small minded people continue their ranting and they will only continue to show how little they understand about the concepts of "opinions" and "dicussions".



94.       Leelu
1746 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 08:37 am

I take a break so my medicinally imposed translations are not posted .. lol lol lol and I come back and see this .. woooooooooow .. CW I did not know you were such a bad kitty!! no more cat nip for you .. lol lol lol .. anyone want a drink?

95.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 08:44 am

Quoting Leelu:

I take a break so my medicinally imposed translations are not posted .. lol lol lol and I come back and see this .. woooooooooow .. CW I did not know you were such a bad kitty!! no more cat nip for you .. lol lol lol .. anyone want a drink?


You should not be mixing medication and alcohol! Here, let me take that tequila off your hands.

96.       Leelu
1746 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 08:46 am

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Leelu:

I take a break so my medicinally imposed translations are not posted .. lol lol lol and I come back and see this .. woooooooooow .. CW I did not know you were such a bad kitty!! no more cat nip for you .. lol lol lol .. anyone want a drink?


You should not be mixing medication and alcohol! Here, let me take that tequila off your hands.


lol lol lol you missed the bottle under the bed I had stashed!!

97.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 08:49 am

Quoting Leelu:


lol lol lol you missed the bottle under the bed I had stashed!!


You had THREE bottles under your bed???

98.       Leelu
1746 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 09:13 am

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Leelu:


lol lol lol you missed the bottle under the bed I had stashed!!


You had THREE bottles under your bed???


errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm .. I thought two of them where just double vision .. did you find the one under the mattress and the body pillow too?

99.       justinetime
1018 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 10:15 am

although i haven't been here for a long time, i would have to agree with CANLI and uYkuSuz.

if they chose to be an admin or a moderator, they are representing a site that promotes Turkey, whether they agree to that or not. And moderators and admins that criticize anything that has to do with Turkey is just a conflict of their position on this site.

Some of the arguments are not even constructive, which i find very uncharacteristic of what admins and mods should be.

100.       AEnigmamagnadea
416 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 10:55 am

Quoting justinetime:

they are representing a site that promotes Turkey



Promotes Turkey?
Where exactly does it say it is here to "promote Turkey"?
Are you confusing this site with the Turkish Tourism website? lol lol lol

101.       justinetime
1018 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 11:58 am

Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:

Quoting justinetime:

they are representing a site that promotes Turkey



Promotes Turkey?
Where exactly does it say it is here to "promote Turkey"?
Are you confusing this site with the Turkish Tourism website? lol lol lol

doesn't introducing Turkish language promote Turkey? Other than teaching language what does this site do anyway? doesn't it just do that? promote Turkey? Pictures of Turkey, foods of Turkey, music of Turkey, poets and poetry of Turkey etc... or maybe you're here for a different reason... lol lol lol

if you think this site doesn't promote Turkey, then the admins and mods should put more effort on the language sections. It has long been promised that they would put up some sort of exercises so it would be easier for members to practice the Turkish language... it's been about 2 months i think... and the exercise pages are nowhere to be found...

102.       catwoman
8933 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 01:26 pm

Canimzzzzzzzzzz.... calm down, it is my web site, so I will be an admin here, ok? If you have problems with what I say, you are free to debate, give facts, state your ideas... etc, etc. (kind of like it is done on other web sites, you know....?). Oh, don't worry - nobody will change their opinion about Turkey from reading my posts... on top of that, I am going to be very busy soon, so you won't see much of me anyway.

I do not post here as a representative of Turkey, or write and post articles that are given as factual, or anything like that. I use the forum like a regular user - I don't delete my own posts and for the most part I don't delete other people's posts either. Usually I leave it to moderators. When I delete posts, only the ones that contain personal attacks are deleted. There used to be some more mess here some time ago (probably the time Uykusuz is referring to and although I don't remember the case he's talking about, he probably has a good point), but I think we sorted things out now.

Anyway... I don't think I say anything bad about Turkey as a whole. We are discussing some issues and I state my opinions about those, that is not the same as judging the whole country.
And... we are working on the language parts. If you have any more questions, feel free to PM me!

Oh and and if you wish there were some changes on the web site (other then me not being an admin), feel free to let me know, I will do the best I can to implement good ideas.

103.       bydand
755 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 11:57 pm

Quoting justinetime:

Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:

Quoting justinetime:

they are representing a site that promotes Turkey



Promotes Turkey?
Where exactly does it say it is here to "promote Turkey"?
Are you confusing this site with the Turkish Tourism website? lol lol lol

doesn't introducing Turkish language promote Turkey? Other than teaching language what does this site do anyway? doesn't it just do that? promote Turkey? Pictures of Turkey, foods of Turkey, music of Turkey, poets and poetry of Turkey etc... or maybe you're here for a different reason... lol lol lol

if you think this site doesn't promote Turkey, then the admins and mods should put more effort on the language sections. It has long been promised that they would put up some sort of exercises so it would be easier for members to practice the Turkish language... it's been about 2 months i think... and the exercise pages are nowhere to be found...



Justinetime, there was a mass exodus of members who were interested in Turkish language and culture recently.The ethos of this site has changed greatly in recent weeks.If you are waiting for improvements don't hold you breath.

104.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 02:26 am

Quoting bydand:


Justinetime, there was a mass exodus of members who were interested in Turkish language and culture recently.The ethos of this site has changed greatly in recent weeks.If you are waiting for improvements don't hold you breath.


A handful of the....what is it now....17,000+ members...could HARDLY be called a mass exodus!

105.       catwoman
8933 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 03:39 am

Quoting bydand:

Justinetime, there was a mass exodus of members who were interested in Turkish language and culture recently.The ethos of this site has changed greatly in recent weeks.If you are waiting for improvements don't hold you breath.


strangely you are back under a new nickname... :-S

106.       Leelu
1746 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 07:16 am

Quoting bydand:


Justinetime, there was a mass exodus of members who were interested in Turkish language and culture recently.The ethos of this site has changed greatly in recent weeks.If you are waiting for improvements don't hold you breath.


of course there was "a mass exodus of members" its summer time "dudu season is in full swing"

107.       sonunda
5004 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 04:51 pm

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting bydand:


Justinetime, there was a mass exodus of members who were interested in Turkish language and culture recently.The ethos of this site has changed greatly in recent weeks.If you are waiting for improvements don't hold you breath.


of course there was "a mass exodus of members" its summer time "dudu season is in full swing"



That usually means an influx of members!! Starry eyed beauties
who have just met their ideal man (AKA dudu) and want to send messages of undying love back to Turkey on their return home!

108.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 05:28 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Now you believe Daydreamer???
let me remind your post ;

Daydreamer:
"I cannot judge why your post got deleted, I haven't read it. But it's not true what you're writing, as long as threads are a discussion they're not locked - your critique of admin is a proof of that, nobody deleted it and you're free to show your discontent with Cat. As far as I remember the locked threads were those with personal insults, not those representing points of view different from Cat's."


Can you see "personal insult" here ?

"Disagreeing with a statement, topic... is one issue. Going on and on and on about one topic is another... stalking a member, constant aggression and attacks (that you should at this point move to a PM conversation if you still have a problem)."

again Daydreamer:
"I have all the right to express my opinion You may bark up every tree saying what you don't like and so can everybody else - it's a public forum"


Why don't you give a normal response with your own thoughts? I have no idea what you're talking about! PM me if you have issues that you think need to be solved. Otherwise, it's ridiculous to keep on responding to you.


You have something to hide ?
Why should i PM you, it's a public forum. I m free to tell my "opinions" and we can "discuss" in respectful way. I m using my rights to cricitize you.

109.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 05:36 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting thehandsom:

That is enough ya..
Last 4 days, we have been going to bed with this thread at the top, waking up with this thread at the top.
Please yani..
Can we lock this thread?


Well I think it is up to us to stop responding to this ridiculousness.
Let the small minded people continue their ranting and they will only continue to show how little they understand about the concepts of "opinions" and "dicussions".




You cant tell anything to my friends "girliegirl" and "daydreamer" and "thehandsome" anything, even they said

girliegirl : ..Why should it concern you?
daydreamer : if you don't like it, you always have a choice / live with it
thehandsom : Can we lock this thread?

I m sure they know the concepts of "opinions" and "discussions". you can't say "small minded" to them! it's wrong what you're doing..


110.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 05:48 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting bydand:


Justinetime, there was a mass exodus of members who were interested in Turkish language and culture recently.The ethos of this site has changed greatly in recent weeks.If you are waiting for improvements don't hold you breath.


A handful of the....what is it now....17,000+ members...could HARDLY be called a mass exodus!



a joke :
"Tell me GG, there are 17000 accounts in a website. 15000 of them are dead accounts, some people has more than one account, totally they are 1000. 500 different people are online in a month. And we know that the ones who left the web site, most of them they dont delete their accounts. Also admins dont delete the timed-out-accounts,Also at the moment there are 9 people logged in,totally 50 users are generally logged in in a day in anytime.Tell my how many active users are there ?

GG : 17000
DD : Bravo!
"

* just a joke none of them is correct.

111.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 05:58 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting bydand:

Justinetime, there was a mass exodus of members who were interested in Turkish language and culture recently.The ethos of this site has changed greatly in recent weeks.If you are waiting for improvements don't hold you breath.


strangely you are back under a new nickname... :-S


Who is back under a new nickname ???
Is this your answer to him as an admin?

if you think i m him, just check his posts and mine.

again empty post from you..cant even reply anything..

112.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 06:24 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

lol what about a thread what DD meant Why do I have the feeling that Uykusuz missed the whole point?


Maybe this is because of catwoman is your friend. And you cant cricitize her even you know that she is wrong.

Quoting Daydreamer:


Let me try to get my message in points so that to avoid further confusion:

1. Everybody can criticise/disagree with somebody else's point of view


As i say and as you see i m using my right to cricitize her. I think nobody has problem with it.

Quoting Daydreamer:


2. Criticising/disagreeing cannot take form of personal insults


So why catwoman is talkin about locking the thread?

Quoting Daydreamer:


3. It's illogical you should speak about censoring your posts on TC when the thread that consist of nothing but criticising Cat is still here


As i said, she is again talking about "locking the thread" cause she is still here. So it's logicall i m speaking about censorship my posts on Tc.

Quoting Daydreamer:


And that's it. I agree with Thehandsom that this thread is getting tedious - we all got your message Uykusuz
- you don't like Cat, you disagree with her, you don't want to be admin, you believe your posts have been deleted without a reason. Now, do you expect her to change only because you want her to?


It's the problem you could understand/you wanna see:
lets look what other people understood :

Quoting justinetime:

although i haven't been here for a long time, i would have to agree with CANLI and uYkuSuz.

Some of the arguments are not even constructive, which i find very uncharacteristic of what admins and mods should be.

113.       catwoman
8933 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 07:10 pm

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting bydand:

Justinetime, there was a mass exodus of members who were interested in Turkish language and culture recently.The ethos of this site has changed greatly in recent weeks.If you are waiting for improvements don't hold you breath.


strangely you are back under a new nickname... :-S


Who is back under a new nickname ???
Is this your answer to him as an admin?

if you think i m him, just check his posts and mine.

again empty post from you..cant even reply anything..


Wrong, prejudiced, stiff... :-S You were right about one thing - we can never come to any agreement when you have this attitude, although I wish we could.

Bydand is Joey who made a big fuss about leaving the web site at some point.

114.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 16 Jul 2008 Wed 07:55 pm

Catwoman....I think you should rock on!!

115.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 02:57 am

---

I believe you canli.

Got the pm.

116.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 03:13 am

Grrrrrrrr! Woof, woof, woofwoofwoofwoof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof

W....O....O....F

Woof? Oak?
Woof, woof! No, Sycamore!
Woof, woof . . . woof, woof!!Ooops Sorry . . . wrong tree!!


117.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 03:18 am

---

118.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 03:53 am

woops sorry, wrong thread . . .

119.       CANLI
5084 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 03:58 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

I believe you canli.

Got the pm.



Good uYkuSuz

Then only one thing left,
You made your point here,cat made also her point,and that what this thread is all about,yes?
Even many people made their points too.

So,can we call for time out,calm down and stop posting about this subject,and even stop replying to it too even if there are new posts?!

İts rather wisdom than weakness
İf we dont add anything,then what has been said is enough

Yes ?!
İ hope you and cat agree with me on that

120.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 04:14 am

Well said Canli. It's like being on a merry-go-round but not so merry.

I have an idea, how about each thread has a limited life of say 100 posts. It would be fun to see how the debate developed and who managed to get the last word in.

121.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 09:40 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:


Maybe this is because of catwoman is your friend. And you cant cricitize her even you know that she is wrong.



Weirdly, I thought you were my friend too. Personal preferences have nothing to do with what I think. I agree and disagree with people regardless of who they are. Catwoman and I don't always agree so your assumption is wrong.

Quote:


As i say and as you see i m using my right to cricitize her. I think nobody has problem with it.


Nobody says you cannot criticise her, we're just saying it's boring since you go on about one and the same thing over and over again. How much longer? 2 months? 3 years? The same angry words all the time that will change nothing. You criticised, you got your reply, and you still go on. Having fun this way? - Knock yourself out.

Quote:


So why catwoman is talkin about locking the thread? As i said, she is again talking about "locking the thread" cause she is still here. So it's logicall i m speaking about censorship my posts on Tc.



Because it's boring and no new things come up. Besides, FORUM RULES state:
#11 If you don’t agree with a moderator send a Private Message to the moderator or to one of the administrators instead of posting in the forum. Such posts may be deleted.

So it has nothing to do with your critique...even if the thread is locked, people can read how you feel about Cat.


It's the problem you could understand/you wanna see:
lets look what other people understood :

Quoting justinetime:

although i haven't been here for a long time, i would have to agree with CANLI and uYkuSuz.

Some of the arguments are not even constructive, which i find very uncharacteristic of what admins and mods should be.



They understood the same thing, you disagree with Cat being admin and some members think you're right. Yet, some members think you aren't. Justinetime thinks this site's idea was to promote Turkey - it wasn't, it's a language site with a forum where people can discuss everything so there's no need for admin to be fanatical about Turkey. You got answer a few times in this thread - you may dislike it but admin won't change.

Exceptionally I agree with PT, enough is enough, it's my last reply in this thread, I'll let you let out your anger and have the last word. I spent so much time replying to your posts only because I considered you a friend, after all it was me who invited you here years ago. Normally I wouldn't bother to debate with people who don't listen. Ok, now...tell us again how your posts are censored and how biased Cat is. Let's have it over with

122.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 12:53 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting uYkuSuz:


Maybe this is because of catwoman is your friend. And you cant cricitize her even you know that she is wrong.



Weirdly, I thought you were my friend too. Personal preferences have nothing to do with what I think. I agree and disagree with people regardless of who they are. Catwoman and I don't always agree so your assumption is wrong.

Quote:


As i say and as you see i m using my right to cricitize her. I think nobody has problem with it.


Nobody says you cannot criticise her, we're just saying it's boring since you go on about one and the same thing over and over again. How much longer? 2 months? 3 years? The same angry words all the time that will change nothing. You criticised, you got your reply, and you still go on. Having fun this way? - Knock yourself out.

Quote:


So why catwoman is talkin about locking the thread? As i said, she is again talking about "locking the thread" cause she is still here. So it's logicall i m speaking about censorship my posts on Tc.



Because it's boring and no new things come up. Besides, FORUM RULES state:
#11 If you don’t agree with a moderator send a Private Message to the moderator or to one of the administrators instead of posting in the forum. Such posts may be deleted.

So it has nothing to do with your critique...even if the thread is locked, people can read how you feel about Cat.


Quote:


It's the problem you could understand/you wanna see:
lets look what other people understood :

Quoting justinetime:

although i haven't been here for a long time, i would have to agree with CANLI and uYkuSuz.

Some of the arguments are not even constructive, which i find very uncharacteristic of what admins and mods should be.



They understood the same thing, you disagree with Cat being admin and some members think you're right. Yet, some members think you aren't. Justinetime thinks this site's idea was to promote Turkey - it wasn't, it's a language site with a forum where people can discuss everything so there's no need for admin to be fanatical about Turkey. You got answer a few times in this thread - you may dislike it but admin won't change.

Exceptionally I agree with PT, enough is enough, it's my last reply in this thread, I'll let you let out your anger and have the last word. I spent so much time replying to your posts only because I considered you a friend, after all it was me who invited you here years ago. Normally I wouldn't bother to debate with people who don't listen. Ok, now...tell us again how your posts are censored and how biased Cat is. Let's have it over with


---

123.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 01:06 pm

"Exceptionally I agree with PT"

Now, let's not go off topic, if you don't mind

124.       catwoman
8933 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 03:06 pm

Quoting uYkuSuz:


---


Canim, were you trying to say something?

125.       lady in red
6947 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 03:11 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting uYkuSuz:


---


Canim, were you trying to say something?



I think that UykuSuz meant that to be his last word on the subject - can we close it now?

PS - I think '---' is the letter 'o' in morse code.

126.       teaschip
3870 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 06:06 pm

So 125 posts later, I take it you will not be resigning as admin, catwoman.

127.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 06:20 pm

Quoting teaschip:

So 125 posts later, I take it you will not be resigning as admin, catwoman.



She cant aswell Because she is the owner

Its her town we are living lol

128.       catwoman
8933 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 06:35 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

She cant aswell Because she is the owner

Its her town we are living lol


Someone is getting it... offf.... finally!
It is my town... and I wish Sui wanted to be a city senator... but he thinks it's not worth it

129.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 06:50 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

She cant aswell Because she is the owner

Its her town we are living lol


Someone is getting it... offf.... finally!
It is my town... and I wish Sui wanted to be a city senator... but he thinks it's not worth it



Its not that it is not worth...

You wouldnt want a fascist senator like me

130.       KeithL
1455 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 08:02 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

She cant aswell Because she is the owner

Its her town we are living lol


Someone is getting it... offf.... finally!
It is my town... and I wish Sui wanted to be a city senator... but he thinks it's not worth it



Its not that it is not worth...

You wouldnt want a fascist senator like me



Contrair...this city needs more fascists!!!!

131.       teaschip
3870 posts
 17 Jul 2008 Thu 09:21 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

She cant aswell Because she is the owner

Its her town we are living lol


Someone is getting it... offf.... finally!
It is my town... and I wish Sui wanted to be a city senator... but he thinks it's not worth it



Its not that it is not worth...

You wouldnt want a fascist senator like me



Contrair...this city needs more fascists!!!!



Did someone say Sui for Senator here???? Would you be fair and balanced? Do you take bribes?

132.       catwoman
8933 posts
 19 Jul 2008 Sat 08:49 pm

After thinking about it a little bit, I decided that Alameda had a good point when she said that my way of criticizing Islam is sometimes somewhat disrespectful. I am going to try to be more thoughtful about it... Thank you Alameda for a constructive criticism.

133.       teaschip
3870 posts
 19 Jul 2008 Sat 09:01 pm

Quoting catwoman:

After thinking about it a little bit, I decided that Alameda had a good point when she said that my way of criticizing Islam is sometimes somewhat disrespectful. I am going to try to be more thoughtful about it... Thank you Alameda for a constructive criticism.



I think it´s very difficult to discuss sensitive subjects. If you aren´t open minded of course everything will be considered criticial.

I do believe there is a manner in which you can deliver a topic, that will create more discussions than agrguements. But people are people and those who feel like it´s a direct personal attack will always be defensive, no matter how sensitive you are to a topic here.

134.       catwoman
8933 posts
 19 Jul 2008 Sat 09:15 pm

Quoting teaschip:

I think it´s very difficult to discuss sensitive subjects. If you aren´t open minded of course everything will be considered criticial.

I do believe there is a manner in which you can deliver a topic, that will create more discussions than agrguements. But people are people and those who feel like it´s a direct personal attack will always be defensive, no matter how sensitive you are to a topic here.


You are completely right! Often, some people don´t want a conversation at all, some topics are so much taboo or sacred to them and probably in their own communities they were sensitized never to discuss them. Such people will always be offended. Well... we are going to discuss all topics here really, because all people´s rights need to be respected, also those ones´ for whom discussing these topics is important.
At the same time, the language of the conversation can be chosen in a more careful way... to avoid over generalizations or personal insults.

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