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Catwoman, you should not be an admin here.
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30.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 08:39 pm

Quoting catwoman:


Well, you are just wrong. Nothing is locked or deleted somehow secretly because I disagree with the comments. And yes, personal attacks are deleted.

One of the main ideas of the forum is that there has to be freedom of speech and there is not that many Turks here right now who understand this idea and who had agreed to be moderators. Even though it would make you happy, we cannot have a moderator who will delete a comment which says that "Turks have oppressed and killed many Kurds".
I tried to balance the number of moderators with varying points of view and I think that the current moderators and admins are people who are understanding about the Turkish culture and can represent both sides.

I actually had thought of making Canli a moderator, unfortunately she declined before I could ask her.


catwoman is it really this part you understand ?.. We're saying you're one sided. The way you're is wrong and you are not good as an admin cause you dont respect and insult us. I cant see any reply about these, you even dont say that you're sorry after all those topics.

Why cant you tell me the reason for the topic you post
"What's wrong with muslims" instead of "A stupid guy's post"?

Now you're just saying that you dont delete the posts you disagree. You did it,also locked.(the reason i left here)..

I dont have any problem with current moderators. if you wanna balance it, you dont need to make someone admin actually. Just dont be an admin.it will balance. Use here as an user. Be honest. Dont delete anypost/topic that you disagree/cant stand.Also dont lock.I know its hard for you but think like "what if i m wrong"..

31.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 08:48 pm

Uykusuz, yes, I have my own opinions and that's none really of your business. Please, stop this because unfortunately, I will be an admin here. If you have some specific examples of deleted/locked threads/posts that you think shouldn't have been deleted/locked, bring that up here and we can deal with it.

By the way, if you are referring to some incidents from a few years ago, I am not sure, but you may be right. But things are better now, I believe.

32.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 09:12 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Uykusuz, yes, I have my own opinions and that's none really of your business. Please, stop this because unfortunately, I will be an admin here. If you have some specific examples of deleted/locked threads/posts that you think shouldn't have been deleted/locked, bring that up here and we can deal with it.


You could ask me for the another name, if you would be serious about balancing and if you wanna use here as an admin. Or you can tell here that you wont post anything insults turks/islam under turks/islam topics. Or, tell that you wont be one-sided.You are not telling anything. Make me believe that you have no problem with turks/islam. How can i believe you ?

Unfortunately i cant show the case i was in before, you know its hard to show the deleted topics. But if you really wanna deal with something,let's start then,firstly you can tell me the reason for the topic you post

"What's wrong with muslims" instead of "A stupid guy's post"?

You know there are some people supporting me, sending PMs, they cant even post their ideas here. Are you curious about the reason? Guess ?

33.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 09:59 pm

Uykusuz... I have no pleasure arguing with you, ok? Sorry that your posts in the past had been deleted unfairly, it is a shame. I'm sorry about it and I assure you that it won't happen again.

However, I have a problem with some of the parts of Islamic doctrine and actions and it is widely known that Islam takes no criticism. Yes, not all Muslims, but the mainstream, or majority... whatever. I said 'what's wrong with Muslims', because this is not the first time I've read this kind of comment! And why didn't you simply reply by saying "this guy is stupid, I don't agree with his comment and I don't know anybody who would agree", eh? This would be enough to show proof that not all Muslims are like that!!! But instead, you and others started raging "how did you dare to make that thread" - and you only proved my claim.

Btw, why can't 'those other people' voice their opinions? Go ahead, say it. And... thank you for your suggestions, but I don't need your help to make my decisions.

34.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 10:23 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Uykusuz... I have no pleasure arguing with you, ok? Sorry that your posts in the past had been deleted unfairly, it is a shame. I'm sorry about it and I assure you that it won't happen again.


Thank you.

Quoting catwoman:


However, I have a problem with some of the parts of Islamic doctrine and actions and it is widely known that Islam takes no criticism.


Why should you make the forum a part of your problem then? If you have a problem try to solve it yourself. Do you wanna solve it by posting non-sense videos and posts insulting turks/islam? Sorry but this is the sign of hate. You can see it yourself here after you get angry, for to revenge, you post a topic like : http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31431
do you relax after that ?

Quoting catwoman:


Yes, not all Muslims, but the mainstream, or majority... whatever. I said 'what's wrong with Muslims', because this is not the first time I've read this kind of comment! And why didn't you simply reply by saying "this guy is stupid, I don't agree with his comment and I don't know anybody who would agree", eh? This would be enough to show proof that not all Muslims are like that!!! But instead, you and others started raging "how did you dare to make that thread" - and you only proved my claim.


I didn't reply it by saying that, cause that does not work for you I know that cause I tried that before. Also you want us to prove that you're wrong when we say that "this guy is stupid, I don't agree with his comment and I don't know anybody who would agree"..and when we prove, you find another video. This is who you're..

Quoting catwoman:


Btw, why can't 'those other people' voice their opinions? Go ahead, say it. And... thank you for your suggestions, but I don't need your help to make my decisions.


Because you're saying "thank you for your suggestions, but I don't need your help to make my decisions." They are so hopeless, they dont even think that you will listen them. You cant think like "what if i m wrong".

35.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 10:51 pm

From my point of view, you display the exact same attitudes that you accuse me of - don't listen, don't try to understand, is hostile, hates... etc etc. Not just you of course. So... if you want someone to make effort to understand you, you have to do the same thing yourself.

Also.. you are very much prejudiced about me. If I said some of these things about you that you said about me, you would start another thread 'Catwoman hates Turks', yet, I'm here still talking to you and trying to understand... :-S

An argument like 'because you will find another video' is not an argument at all. It is a cop-out for not taking responsibility. If there is a Muslim person who says that he hates the West and westerners, that they will take over the world, then it's your responsibility to speak up against that, otherwise, your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement. You simply had responded inapropriately and only reinforced the idea that Muslims cannot handle any criticism and do not take responsibililty. They blindly support each other, even if it's a crime.

36.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 11:10 pm

Quoting catwoman:

From my point of view, you display the exact same attitudes that you accuse me of - don't listen, don't try to understand, is hostile, hates... etc etc. Not just you of course. So... if you want someone to make effort to understand you, you have to do the same thing yourself.


Read this topic from the beginning to the end. I replied every post/paragraph that you all said. i display same attitudes maybe that's cause of you could not reply any of my posts?-yes, still cant see any reply of you, even now, here you're still attacking,no reply, next post i ll remind you my questions again.

Quoting catwoman:


Also.. you are very much prejudiced about me. If I said some of these things about you that you said about me, you would start another thread 'Catwoman hates Turks', yet, I'm here still talking to you and trying to understand... :-S


I m not prejudiced. catwoman attacks for the second time? Search all the topics I created. You cant find any posts which is generalized like 'Catwoman hates Turks'.In this forum, just you and tommy can post it. I m just using my right to cricitize you, and my topic is clear, you should not be and admin. which is not "catwoman hates turks" , i m not you or tommy..I m against those kind of topics also told you this at my first reply.

Quoting catwoman:


An argument like 'because you will find another video' is not an argument at all. It is a cop-out for not taking responsibility. If there is a Muslim person who says that he hates the West and westerners, that they will take over the world, then it's your responsibility to speak up against that, otherwise, your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement. You simply had responded inapropriately and only reinforced the idea that Muslims cannot handle any criticism and do not take responsibililty. They blindly support each other, even if it's a crime.


You're saying "your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement" when we talk you are saying "you are not such a person". when we say "its not good what you're doing" you are saying "i can cricitize everything i want" when we prove you're not right you are saying "thank you for your suggestions, but I don't need your help to make my decisions".. I didn't responded or reinforced anything, I m just cricitizing you and saying you should be objective, honest, you should try to understand us. Again what you're doing, subject is you but you're saying "muslims cannot handle any cricitism" as bad as "what's wrong with muslims" i m not the only muslim. if there is something wrong with me you should say "uykusuz cannot handle any cricitism."..This is as bad as racism.

37.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Jul 2008 Sun 11:41 pm

Quoting uYkuSuz:

You're saying "your silence is a sign of complicity and agreement" when we talk you are saying "you are not such a person". when we say "its not good what you're doing" you are saying "i can cricitize everything i want" when we prove you're not right you are saying "thank you for your suggestions, but I don't need your help to make my decisions".. I didn't responded or reinforced anything, I m just cricitizing you and saying you should be objective, honest, you should try to understand us. Again what you're doing, subject is you but you're saying "muslims cannot handle any cricitism" as bad as "what's wrong with muslims" i m not the only muslim. if there is something wrong with me you should say "uykusuz cannot handle any cricitism."..This is as bad as racism.


I really don't have time to debate with you forever, but here in particular you are mixing up a lot of different issues.
Understand that I did not say that 'because uykusuz cannot handle criticism, therefore all muslims can't'. I can see around everywhere that most muslims cannot handle criticism and you just confirm this pattern. ok?

You didn't prove that I'm not right! hehehe You said that I should have asked you for other people to be mods and I said that I don't need your help to make my decisions. Geeezzz... get more logical, please.

Yes, I can criticize your religion and I can give you reasons why I criticize and for what. There is a lot of variety in Islam, for sure, but there are very bad things going on in the name of Islam and I don't hear many Muslims rioting against it, like they riot against criticism of their religion. Do you see a problem with it?

38.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 12:01 am

Quoting catwoman:


I really don't have time to debate with you forever, but here in particular you are mixing up a lot of different issues.


I have enough time to remind your questions.

Quoting catwoman:


Understand that I did not say that 'because uykusuz cannot handle criticism, therefore all muslims can't'. I can see around everywhere that most muslims cannot handle criticism and you just confirm this pattern. ok?


did you try to cricitize over 1.5 billion muslim in the world ? uykusuz over 1.5 billion. I like the logic. maybe the problem is with you, you're the only admin that says it here. also the one in the websites that i m member of like turkishclass.

Quoting catwoman:


You didn't prove that I'm not right! hehehe You said that I should have asked you for other people to be mods and I said that I don't need your help to make my decisions. Geeezzz... get more logical, please.


I m not just asked you for other people, read the whole paragraph please, You were acting like serious, and i proved that you are not serious then you said that "I don't need your help to make my decisions" and if you're lying about something, when i prove that you're lying, that makes you right or wrong ?-wrong. get more logical, please.

Quoting catwoman:


Yes, I can criticize your religion and I can give you reasons why I criticize and for what. There is a lot of variety in Islam, for sure, but there are very bad things going on in the name of Islam and I don't hear many Muslims rioting against it, like they riot against criticism of their religion. Do you see a problem with it?



I have a problem;
Yes, I can criticize you and I can give you reasons why I criticize and for what. There is a lot of variety in you, for sure, but there are very bad things going on in the name of administration and I don't hear many users rioting against it, like they riot against you. Do you see a problem with it?

39.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 02:21 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

I have a problem;
Yes, I can criticize you and I can give you reasons why I criticize and for what. There is a lot of variety in you, for sure, but there are very bad things going on in the name of administration and I don't hear many users rioting against it, like they riot against you. Do you see a problem with it?


Hahahahah. Thank goodness that I am NOT killing innocent people in the name of administration because they left the web site, or criticized me, or god-forbid had sex before marriage, or held hands in public!

40.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 14 Jul 2008 Mon 02:26 am

Quoting catwoman:


Hahahahah. Thank goodness that I am NOT killing innocent people in the name of administration because they left the web site, or criticized me, or god-forbid had sex before marriage, or held hands in public!


Is this what the islam for you ?..
wow then.

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