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"The Islamic threat: myth or reality?"
1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 02 Aug 2008 Sat 02:58 pm

Saying ´Islamic threat´ over and over doesn´t make it realYears of peddled fear and demonisation have left vulnerable minorities more isolated and the world fixated by a myth.

The much hyped Islamic threat is one of the greatest lies of our time. The "Muslim world" - though no such bloc really exists - is politically fragmented and economically impoverished. It is reeling under the weight of crises and a long colonial legacy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/11/islam

2.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 02 Aug 2008 Sat 03:32 pm

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3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 02 Aug 2008 Sat 07:43 pm

Quoting zhang ziyi:

I liked the comment below the article.



Yes, I think it is pretty accurate...

"After the carnage of London, Madrid and foiled plots in London, Paris, Strassbourg, Budapest, Glasgow, Frankfurt, Brussels, the murders in Amsterdam and riots through Paris, Soumaya comes here to argue that Muslims are the victims here.

For someone who repeatedly argues the old mantra that somehow Western Policies are responsible for Islamic terrorism and bigotry, why on earth cannot she ....or will not she ..accept the concept that European sentiments about Muslims being in decline is not a product of media where it is actually now illegal to call an Islamic Terrorist an Islamic Terrorist, but the product of successive terror attacks and thwarted plots in almost every major European city in the last 7 years since the biggest Islamic Terror attack in history in NY.

Lets just get with reality here shall we. I know its hard but lets try it.

The reality is that since 911 some Islamists went on the offensive instead of self reflection. To this day, they claim to be victims. Victims of the media while their media like Al Manar and Al Jazzera incite them daily against the West, the Jews etc.

Victims of Police, airport security and public perception.

Well DU -UH !!! Did any other group ever target airlines and airports in the last 35 years?

As long as Muslims will have spokespeople who defend terror and murder or refuse to condemn it while obfuscating and double talk and those who claim to be leaders of this community continue to attack our values, our nations and cultures in the public domain, they will not help the perception of the rest of us.

Sure that Europe has a good few roots of bigotry under the surface and sure ignorance of cultures is commonplace but since WWII, all nations of the world sent their people to Europe from all races and all religions and none have used terror or the threat of terror to counter criticism of their faith or culture. None asked for their own laws, own areas and own standards of tolerance. None asked for banning Holocaust memorial day, none called for the murder of writers, editors and film makers or justified the terror acts by blaming policies instead of self reflecting within to see what brings their youth to hail mass murder in the name of a religion which they constantly want the rest of us believe to be more peaceful than its two "cousins".

So here she comes to say there is no Islamic threat.

Is this a joke or what?

I posted on June 11th ..when this was written, the terrorist body count of just the week preceding this article. Adding that on the anniversary of 7/7 the bombers family held a celebration. A celebration 3 years after the event. 3 years as if this was a historic battle or something.

Now she wants to shove this piece of propaganda down our throats and pretend that we all agree with this piece which again lays blame on all of us and thrashes our culture and media again by blaming Europeans as a collective of bigots, colonists and intolerants. She even throws a punch against reformed terrorist supporters.

A piece written not just by a Muslim but by an Islamist who openly supports Hezbollah, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and claims time after time that it is others who are bigots for seeing this for what it is. A lame attempt at Takiya.

A very lame attempt. It will not wash .

We know that unfortunately many European Muslims hate Europe. While that may not be a general fact, the so called leaders and spokespeople whom the rest of us see as the "Muslims" hate Western culture and want to mend it to suit their dogmas. Some even evoke the time when half of Europe was Muslim and how great that was. That actually includes the writer of this piece. Now lets just never hear a word from these fanatics about colonialism.

This publication is the platform for some of these people. No wonder they see hostility from time to time."

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Aug 2008 Sat 08:28 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting zhang ziyi:

I liked the comment below the article.



Yes, I think it is pretty accurate...


I think it is pretty wrong and not accurate at all..

Whoever is written that post in the Guardian forgetting many things happened in the recent history..

West has to realize and acknowledge its sins first, before playing crying baby about those terrorists attacks.
When your goverments burnt people alive with napalm bombs or precision bombs, most of american and many british people watched them with pride as if they were watching a video game ..
Ok, alas, of course london , spain bombings etc were horrible acts but when thousands were dying in afghanistan or in iraq, how many of western people thought that they were as human as them?
Basically what has happened and what is hapenning is the DIRECT results of your western governments´ lunetic, blood and oil thirsty foreign policies..





5.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 02 Aug 2008 Sat 08:40 pm

handsom, maybe I don´t understand what you are saying. But there is no justification for terrorism. There is no justification for what the West is doing/has done either. With that said....I do believe there is a fair about of fear mungering in the media, but you have to admit that some of these Islamic groups are all to happy to justify that fear.

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Aug 2008 Sat 08:50 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

handsom, maybe I don´t understand what you are saying. But there is no justification for terrorism. There is no justification for what the West is doing/has done either. With that said....I do believe there is a fair about of fear mungering in the media, but you have to admit that some of these Islamic groups are all to happy to justify that fear.


What I am trying to say that "western policies are responsible all those terrorist attacts" which the writer of that post does not believe..
Everybody knew there would be terrorists attacks after afghanistan and iraq adventure.
Western people failed to stop killing of thousands of people in those countries by not opposing enough to their governments.
I am not saying anything to justify those terrorist attacks. Of course, there is not justification at all. But I am still quite angry with the killings western governments done in those countries..
Basically, accuse your governments first (specially usa and uk of course) when you think of what is happening and why it is happening.

7.       catwoman
8933 posts
 02 Aug 2008 Sat 09:37 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

What I am trying to say that "western policies are responsible all those terrorist attacts" which the writer of that post does not believe..
Everybody knew there would be terrorists attacks after afghanistan and iraq adventure.
Western people failed to stop killing of thousands of people in those countries by not opposing enough to their governments.
I am not saying anything to justify those terrorist attacks. Of course, there is not justification at all. But I am still quite angry with the killings western governments done in those countries..
Basically, accuse your governments first (specially usa and uk of course) when you think of what is happening and why it is happening.


I completely agree with this, but I think this is only one side of the story. The other side is islamic fundamentalism that is not concerned with ´injustice done by the west´, they have their own agenda.

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