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Soap Opera "Noor" (Gümüş) changes traditional Arab Gender Roles
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220.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 21 Jul 2009 Tue 02:34 am

Canli - the idea of confession and pardon only works because priests kind of "decide" if the sin commited is not one of unpardonable sins. Of course you can lie to a priest but then confession is not valid, because you were not trully sorry. How do I put it clearer?

 

Let´s say, you had pre-marital sex. But you´re sorry and feel it was a mistake. It is a sin in catholicism so you go to a confession, say your sin to the priest, he decides it´s one of "lighter" sins so gives you 5 prayers to say and never do it again (plus you may get a lecture why pre-marital sex is wrong). Then he tells you not to sin again. Now, if you were not sorry, just pretended, your confession is not valid. If you really were sorry, you´re forgiven.

 

Another example - a man kills his wife, he is then sorry, goes to a confession but the priest cannot pardon him as murder is one of deadly sins [I think! - not sure here](so is divorce that´s why divorced people are not pardoned and cannot take holy communion). So, although he is sorry, his sin is not pardoned.

 

So, as you can see, priests on their own cannot grant you heaven. It is a few conditions that you must meet. Besides, I think confession only works in Catholicism, I think there´s a general confession in other Christian denominations (you don´t say your sins to a priest but ask for forgiveness during a mass).

 

The role of priests (which is greatly abused for personal gain) is to give moral guidance, advice and teach about religion. The donations you´re criticising go for maintenance of churches (usually your local one) and charity. They don´t buy you heaven.

 

Alameda - I´ve been Catholic for quite a few years and I was actively involved in Church but I´ve never heard anything about "out on Sunday", maybe it´s a regional saying that does not apply to Church´s policy. Selling pardons was abolished in 16th century and that´s it.

221.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 21 Jul 2009 Tue 02:42 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 But teas, you mean all priests are like messenger/helper of the lord , holy then ?!

But dont they study to be priests, how do they become holy and you appoint them not the Lord?

For something to be holy or messenger shouldnt God send or appoint not human ?!

And why would the Lord need any help to start with as long as HE already sent you his message ´the bible i mean´  ?

All you have to do is to apply it, and all forgiveness and other stuff should be the Lord business only, no ?

 

 

Priests are not holy, but the job is appointed by God - he chose Peter (?)to start his Church and gave them the power of pardon (it´s in the Bible). To become a priest you must study, pass exams etc. As you know being a priest means giving up a lot in life so only people who are very determined can choose this job. That´s why they say it´s a call.

 

Also, Catholicism (not sure about other Christians) is very institutionalised, Bible is just a small part of what they base on. To keep this institution going they need priests as they govern their districts (parishes) so, usually in a church there is a number of priests one being main. There is a hierarchy like in a country or in the army That´s why there are so many scandals and embezzlements with priests involved

 

222.       CANLI
5084 posts
 21 Jul 2009 Tue 02:46 am

 OK, i believe i kind of got it !

But what if you dont go to the priest at all, you dont confess, and you ask the Lord for forgivness, and you do your prayers also if you have sined...would that work ?

Ý mean just between you and god without any link in between

You already have the bible and the rules and you would know if you make a sin.

Or you still need the priest  ?

223.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Jul 2009 Tue 03:00 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

Alameda - I´ve been Catholic for quite a few years and I was actively involved in Church but I´ve never heard anything about "out on Sunday", maybe it´s a regional saying that does not apply to Church´s policy. Selling pardons was abolished in 16th century and that´s it.

 

 Daydreamer, you were born after Vatican II......so it´s highly improbable you have any experience with it....I have direct experience with the way things were....and that is something you can not refute.



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224.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 21 Jul 2009 Tue 01:08 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 OK, i believe i kind of got it !

But what if you dont go to the priest at all, you dont confess, and you ask the Lord for forgivness, and you do your prayers also if you have sined...would that work ?

Ý mean just between you and god without any link in between

You already have the bible and the rules and you would know if you make a sin.

Or you still need the priest  ?

 

I should think so, but I think Catholic Church disagrees with me lol They do accept cases when you died and were unable to confess.

 

As for the second question - remember Catholicism is institutionalised so priests are necessary to impose their laws that they say are as important as God´s laws, also they help you, kind of like imams, to understand things in the Bible and give moral guidance. Too bad, in countries like Poland they have too much influence on politics hence abortion is illegal in my country (unless in cases like when pregnancy is a threat to to the mother´s life/health or when the fetus isterminally ill), regardless of your religion.

 

For some priests (not all as some are great) religion is a way of making money. We have one in Poland, called Father Rydzyk, who´s built his own empire - he has tv station, radio, even GSM lol He´s an antisemite and has more money you can even imagine so he´s influential, there are right-wing politicians he supports making sure he gets what he wants. His, what we call, "mohair army" are usually people after 60 (the name comes from mohair berettes old ladies wear).

 

Alameda - but I was raised in a very religious family (my dad almost became a priest) and I have never heard anyting like that, even from my grandmother, who´s still alive at 90 years old. Like I said, it might be a regional saying, definitely nothing binding.

225.       CANLI
5084 posts
 21 Jul 2009 Tue 02:48 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

I should think so, but I think Catholic Church disagrees with me lol They do accept cases when you died and were unable to confess.

 

 

 Ohhhh, i have seen a movie with something like that...called sin eater or something?!

So that was true ?! What the hell!

226.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 21 Jul 2009 Tue 03:44 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 Ohhhh, i have seen a movie with something like that...called sin eater or something?!

So that was true ?! What the hell!

 

Hahaha, no that was pure fiction There is a sacrament called Anointing of the Sick that any priest can do. Nothing as spectacular as in the Sin Eater, it´s like the last chance for reconcilliation with God, especially if your condition doesn´t let you talk but again, it´s not merely the sacrament that grants you heaven. All the conditions I mentioned before must be met

227.       nifrtity
1807 posts
 23 Sep 2009 Wed 07:19 am

 

Quoting catwoman

CAIRO, Egypt – A relative newcomer to Arab TV, the Turkish soap opera "Noor" has helped narrow the gender gap between men and women across the Middle East. Women see the lead female character – the independent, aspiring fashion designer Noor -- as a role model. Meantime, her husband on the show -- the blue-eyed former model and athlete Mohannad -- has become the region’s first pin-up boy. The nightly soap opera has mainly female viewers glued to their TV sets not only because Mohannad is a cuter version of Justin Timberlake, but because he offers something many lack in their lives: romance, tenderness and a supportive partner to his independent wife. Mohannad has become the standard against which many Arab men are being judged, much to their chagrin. Too much to live up to According to Arab newspapers, marriages in Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia have dissolved because wives insisted on putting Mohannad´s picture on their mobile phone display, or on their bedroom wall. In Bahrain, a woman allegedly begged her husband to have plastic surgery to look like the actor. Another recent divorcee allegedly told her husband "I want to sleep with Mohannad one night and then die." In Saudi Arabia, where about one in seven people tunes in each night, men circulated the rumor that Kivanc Tatlitug, the actor who plays Mohannad, is gay, which left female viewers distraught until the rumor was dispelled. Saudi society abounds with Mohannad jokes such as this one: A Saudi woman was touring Turkey with her husband and son when her husband went missing. As she described him to the police, her son shouted, "But that´s not what Daddy looks like." "Be quiet," she whispers, "They might just give me Mohannad." A positive role model for women To some young women, the aspiring fashion designer Noor, provides a positive female role model and encourages them to raise the bar not only on future spouses but on themselves. In Cairo, Na´ama Hegazy, a single 25-year-old, watches "Noor" three times a day and says it has influenced the way she sees her future. "I want a romantic [man] who treats me like how Mohannad treats his wife. Every day he brings her flowers and tells her romantic words," said Hegazy. "The life will be very good when a husband treats his wife [like that]." But Hegazy also wants to emulate Noor who is a both a good wife and mother, and a self-reliant professional. "When she has troubles with Mohannad, she wants him to leave her alone. She wants to work and doesn´t want anything from him. This means any woman who falls out with her husband can work and depend on herself." Rest of the article: Soap Opera "Noor" (Gümüþ ) changes traditional Arab Gender Roles A family watches the Turkish soap opera "Noor" in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, on Saturday.

 turkish series is so good but in EGYPT doesnt make an amazzing thing thats becouse Egyptions has along history in drama they have amany famous series and universal actors like ömer al þherif

the reason that make the turkish series is good the good actors they playing their charters very good

but ididnt think Mohanned makes in egypt like in other contries becouse egyptions has opened minds and very long history in all the kinds of arts and they have alot of famous actors

thats dont making they didnt like turkish series no but they liked all the turkish series and all the turkish arts and all the turkish people

 



Edited (9/23/2009) by nifrtity
Edited (9/23/2009) by nifrtity

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