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Kicked out of Germany after honour killing
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1.       Trudy
7887 posts
 06 Aug 2008 Wed 08:44 am

A German judge in Stuttgart has decided that a 23-year Turkish man has to leave the country. But first the man will go to prison for 9 years. He was convicted because he murdered in 2004 the new boyfriend of his sister by stabbing him forty times with a knife. According to the man this was ´necessary to save the family honour, his sister was not even divorced´. The man is born in Germany but nevertheless the judge thinks he is not German enough. He sticks according to the court to much to Turkish lifestyle, culture and language.

Source: Turksnieuws.nl


2.       erdinc
2151 posts
 06 Aug 2008 Wed 08:47 am

9 years is too low. It should be at least 30 years.

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 06 Aug 2008 Wed 08:50 am

OMG, 9 years for pre-meditated murder??? That is definitely NOT enough. Isn´t that something that you normally get a life sentence for? Really despicable. I have no idea how these people can be born in Germany and still live according to these medieval traditions!

4.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 06 Aug 2008 Wed 09:00 am

Agree!

Also, police need to investigate family.

Normally the real culprits are the fathers and uncles. They hold a family court (often "trying" the girl in her absence, relying on hearsay) and decide the girl has to die. Often the decide the young son has to carry out the deed (he might be under 18 and evade sentencing that way), particularly if he has stood up for his sister.

He will be thrown out of the family and cut off from all financial ties etc if he doesn´t go through with it.

Horrible, horrible situation.

5.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 06 Aug 2008 Wed 09:13 am

That´s unbelievable! A Pole gets double life-sentence for rape in the UK while a cold-blooded murderer gets away with 9 years? The world´s gone mad!

6.       Trudy
7887 posts
 06 Aug 2008 Wed 09:31 am

I´m not sure, but if they act in Germany the same as here in the Netherlands, this guy will be free after 6 years because he then will get a ´bonus´ of one third for ´good behaviour´.

In the Netherlands for murder the punishment is maximum 30 years (but most between 12-16 years) or in rare cases life (we have now I believe about 40 people in jail with a life sentence). The murderer of Pim Fortuyn (a Dutch right wing politican - 2002) named Volkert van der Graaf got 14 years and the murderer of Theo van Gogh (a right wing filmmaker who was very critical about Islam - 2004) named Mohammed Buyeri got life. The latter got more because he also was involved in a group that attempted terrorist attacks to Dutch parliament. Both cases got much (international) publicity, so maybe you´ve heard about them.

7.       mltm
3690 posts
 06 Aug 2008 Wed 11:28 am

Quoting Trudy:

The man is born in Germany but nevertheless the judge thinks he is not German enough.



As much as I´m against what he did, what kind of decision is this?
Just because someone has parents with different origins, whatever the reason is you cannot kick someone out of a country where he was born and grew up and went to school. Give him his punishment or what he deserves. He is not turkish enough either, we do not accept honour killings.

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Aug 2008 Wed 11:52 am

Quoting mltm:

Quoting :

The man is born in Germany but nevertheless the judge thinks he is not German enough.



As much as I´m against what he did, what kind of decision is this?


Add another tick into the column says ´German racism´

9.       kashmir
8 posts
 06 Aug 2008 Wed 12:01 pm

If you come to germany (I am here) you will find that the Germans treat the turks more or less in the same manner a lot of white American treat blacks. It sucks. But as much as i love the turks (VERY MUCH) there are a some rotten apples that do spoil the whole bunch. As many germans do not like the turks to begin with, they will find any little excuse as to why a turk should go back to Turkey or leave their country.

10.       kashmir
8 posts
 06 Aug 2008 Wed 12:04 pm

AND ANOTHER THING. Honor Killing? whats up with that? we are not living in mid-eval times. I love my Muslim brothers very much, with all my heart but this is something that i dont agree on. Its very un civilized if you ask me.

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