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Russian tanks enter South Ossetia
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08 Aug 2008 Fri 09:56 pm |
Prefect timing from Russia
Russian tanks have entered Georgia´s breakaway region of South Ossetia, says Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili.
Georgia has been fighting separatists with ties to Russia in order to regain control of the province, which has had de facto independence since the 1990s.
Russian troops in the South Ossetian capital said their artillery had begun firing at Georgian forces, Russian news agencies reported.
Russia´s president earlier promised to defend his citizens in South Ossetia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7548715.stm
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10 Aug 2008 Sun 10:23 am |
Like with every conflict it´s hard to decide who is to be reprehensible. It is a fact that Georgians started ethnical cleansing in Ossetia, which is about 90% Russian ethnically. Russian forces claim to be defending their fellow-countrymen.
It is pathetic to see how world´s opinions differ in similar cases, depending on the sides of conflict. Kosovo´s independence from Serbia was accepted worldwide without bigger problems. It is no surprise that other areas of similar status would soon follow. When Ossetia decided to leave Georgia they started regular combat not wanting to allow it. Then Russia decided to help Ossetia. Now Baltic countries - the same that accepted Kosovo´s independence - view Georgia as victim and Russia as aggressors. Only Germany condemned Georgia. Where´s logic in that? Why is it ok for Serbia to lose Kosovo but it´s not ok for Georgia to lose Ossetia? Because in the former case it´s Albania´s benefit and in the latter Russia´s. And Russian´s are the bad guys.
I wonder how many countries would support independent Kurdistanin Turkey. I´m sure Pland would be one - heer´s a photo I took two years ago in Cracow, Poland
http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/3/8/9/f_S5000097m_d06d885.jpg
(In Polish it says Regional Government of Kurdistan, Representative in Poland)
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10 Aug 2008 Sun 02:33 pm |
Like with every conflict it´s hard to decide who is to be reprehensible. It is a fact that Georgians started ethnical cleansing in Ossetia, which is about 90% Russian ethnically. Russian forces claim to be defending their fellow-countrymen.
It is pathetic to see how world´s opinions differ in similar cases, depending on the sides of conflict. Kosovo´s independence from Serbia was accepted worldwide without bigger problems. It is no surprise that other areas of similar status would soon follow. When Ossetia decided to leave Georgia they started regular combat not wanting to allow it. Then Russia decided to help Ossetia. Now Baltic countries - the same that accepted Kosovo´s independence - view Georgia as victim and Russia as aggressors. Only Germany condemned Georgia. Where´s logic in that? Why is it ok for Serbia to lose Kosovo but it´s not ok for Georgia to lose Ossetia? Because in the former case it´s Albania´s benefit and in the latter Russia´s. And Russian´s are the bad guys.
I wonder how many countries would support independent Kurdistanin Turkey. I´m sure Pland would be one - heer´s a photo I took two years ago in Cracow, Poland
http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/3/8/9/f_S5000097m_d06d885.jpg
(In Polish it says Regional Government of Kurdistan, Representative in Poland)
why didn`t you give the same reaction when the Russians and Armenians genocided the Azeris or when the greeks killed hundreds of Turkish Cypriots? Why don`t you recognize the TRNC even though it`s perhaps the best functioning country that is unrecognized? You`re complaining about hypocrisy but you`re not any different either.
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10 Aug 2008 Sun 02:34 pm |
why didn`t you give the same reaction when the Russians and Armenians genocided the Azeris or when the greeks killed hundreds of Turkish Cypriots? Why don`t you recognize the TRNC even though it`s perhaps the best functioning country that is unrecognized? You`re complaining about hypocrisy but you`re not any different either.
Very true
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10 Aug 2008 Sun 02:49 pm |
Why don`t you recognize the TRNC even though it`s perhaps the best functioning country that is unrecognized? You`re complaining about hypocrisy but you`re not any different either.
I am not sure it is a true statement entirely
revenues: Greek Cypriot area—$2.9 billion Turkish Cypriot area—$171 million
Unemployment rate: Greek Cypriot area: 3.3% (1997 est.); Turkish Cypriot area: 6.4% (1996)
GDP—per capita: purchasing power parity—$13 500 (Greek Cypriot area: purchasing power parity—$15 000; Turkish Cypriot area: purchasing power parity—$8 00 (1997 est.)
more here
http://www.world66.com/asia/middleeast/cyprus/economy
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10 Aug 2008 Sun 05:13 pm |
Like with every conflict it´s hard to decide who is to be reprehensible. It is a fact that Georgians started ethnical cleansing in Ossetia, which is about 90% Russian ethnically. Russian forces claim to be defending their fellow-countrymen.
It is pathetic to see how world´s opinions differ in similar cases, depending on the sides of conflict. Kosovo´s independence from Serbia was accepted worldwide without bigger problems. It is no surprise that other areas of similar status would soon follow. When Ossetia decided to leave Georgia they started regular combat not wanting to allow it. Then Russia decided to help Ossetia. Now Baltic countries - the same that accepted Kosovo´s independence - view Georgia as victim and Russia as aggressors. Only Germany condemned Georgia. Where´s logic in that? Why is it ok for Serbia to lose Kosovo but it´s not ok for Georgia to lose Ossetia? Because in the former case it´s Albania´s benefit and in the latter Russia´s. And Russian´s are the bad guys.
Reasonable and true.
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10 Aug 2008 Sun 09:04 pm |
I am not sure it is a true statement entirely
revenues: Greek Cypriot area—$2.9 billion Turkish Cypriot area—$171 million
Unemployment rate: Greek Cypriot area: 3.3% (1997 est.); Turkish Cypriot area: 6.4% (1996)
GDP—per capita: purchasing power parity—$13 500 (Greek Cypriot area: purchasing power parity—$15 000; Turkish Cypriot area: purchasing power parity—$8 00 (1997 est.)
more here
http://www.world66.com/asia/middleeast/cyprus/economy
well, if you read my post more carefully, you will see that I said "the best functioning country that is UNRECOGNIZED". The Greek Cypriot administration is recognized as the whole Cyprus by the world and illegaly accepted into the EU, so comparing the Greek Cypriot area to the TRNC is meaningless, but when you compare it to any other unrecognized country, you will have to admit that what I said is very true.
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10 Aug 2008 Sun 10:13 pm |
well, if you read my post more carefully, you will see that I said "the best functioning country that is UNRECOGNIZED". The Greek Cypriot administration is recognized as the whole Cyprus by the world and illegaly accepted into the EU, so comparing the Greek Cypriot area to the TRNC is meaningless, but when you compare it to any other unrecognized country, you will have to admit that what I said is very true.
I will be quite happy to know other UNRECOGNIZED countries.....
Somaliland, Abkhazia, Karabakh,South Ossetia(where the war is right now) ,Transnistria ??
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10 Aug 2008 Sun 10:28 pm |
I will be quite happy to know other UNRECOGNIZED countries.....
Somaliland, Abkhazia, Karabakh,South Ossetia(where the war is right now) ,Transnistria ??
right, you already gave the answer.
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11 Aug 2008 Mon 09:10 am |
You`re complaining about hypocrisy but you`re not any different either.
You mean ´you´ as personally me or ´you´ as Poland? If you mean general world´s hypoctisy then that´s exactly what I tried to draw people´s attention to in my post - including my own country´s hypocrisy.
If you asked me why I didn´t complain about Cyprus, Azeris etc....where was I supposed to do that? It is a thread about OSSETIA so I commented ON THE TOPIC drawing parallel to Kosovo, which I believe gave rise to Ossetian independence movement. I´m grateful you consider me such an important part of foreign politics but I don´t recall any debates where I´d say give my opinion about these countries you mentioned. Also, unlike you, I prefer sticking to the topic discussed instead of just biting around pointlessly. Start a topic about other countries and members will be glad to give their opinions about them. That is if anybody still considers you a serious debate partner
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