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Turks dislike Obama´s selection of Joe Biden as running mate
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10.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 10 Sep 2008 Wed 02:02 am

What do Turks think  of Sarah Palin?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/jews-for-jesus-head-defen_n_125148.html?page=2&show_comment_id=15508963

 

OMG: Good Lord!!!!!

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/sarah-palin-and-the-pentecosta.html

 

11.       catwoman
8933 posts
 10 Sep 2008 Wed 02:25 am

 

Quoting CANLI

Ros and Trudy,

Please modify your posts by shorten them ,quote few lines then add the link to the the article so who is interested can read it there.

 

Thank you

 

Forum rule no.12

 

Again, I agree!

12.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 02:40 am

A Trojan Moose, I had to laugh...........{#lang_emotions_laugh_at}

 

Sarah Palin: A Trojan Moose Concealing Four More Years of George Bush

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/sarah-palin-a-trojan-moos_b_124867.html

13.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 04:21 am

 

Quoting doudi94

I really dont get whats the big fuss whith the whole armenian thing! Fine , what if a genocide really happened hundreds of years a go? Fine. Why bring it all up again, cause a group of turks did this, does that man that the turks of today still wanna do the same thing?Why bring up a hundred yar old case? Theyre living side by side ,

 

 Sure. But what about the houses, the properties, the belongings, the savings, the agricultural sites that those Armenian people had to leave behind because they were sent to Syria? If historians will conclude mutually one day that there has been a genocide, the grandchildren, members of that family, have right to get paid for the financial loss in the family. And there are files of Ottoman Empire with this type of information (which piece of land with which kind of farming belonged to whom for instance).  Acceptance by Turkey means a big financial debt to be fullfilled.

 

There are people speculating that Armenia only opened this subject again after Turkey´s economy started to be a rising star.. but I wouldnt know about that.

 

And apart from that, ´why bring up a hundred year old case´. I´m not comparing the Armenian issue with the Hitler holocaust concretely, just a general compensation: there are still some people in Germany who say that the holocaust never happened. How must that feel for people whose parents were murdered brutally by that system? Recognition for the pain a family has been through, is an important part of accepting a loss. Let´s say there was such a thing as Armenian genocide: not only did the Ottoman Empire take their money and their lives, they also deny they did this.

 

No, bringing up genocide or any kind of war, does not mean you think that the people of nowadays would do the same. My grandfather fought at the Normandy front in the second world war. I have absolutely nothing against Germans, and when I think about Germans, Id sooner think of beer and bratwurst than of gasshowers. But when I see nazi´s in documentaries say there was no such thing as holocaust, it makes me angry. Because my grandfather risked his life to put an end to that. Denial of a painful historical fact, can be painful for the people of that country.

Im not saying anything about the ´so called´ genocide itself. I´m just explaining why it is normal for people to still talk about it, especially when it is unsolved and totally denied by one side.

14.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 05:31 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

Sure. But what about the houses, the properties, the belongings, the savings, the agricultural sites that those Armenian people had to leave behind because they were sent to Syria? If historians will conclude mutually one day that there has been a genocide, the grandchildren, members of that family, have right to get paid for the financial loss in the family. And there are files of Ottoman Empire with this type of information (which piece of land with which kind of farming belonged to whom for instance). Acceptance by Turkey means a big financial debt to be fullfilled.

 

There are people speculating that Armenia only opened this subject again after Turkey´s economy started to be a rising star.. but I wouldnt know about that.

 

And apart from that, ´why bring up a hundred year old case´. I´m not comparing the Armenian issue with the Hitler holocaust concretely, just a general compensation: there are still some people in Germany who say that the holocaust never happened. How must that feel for people whose parents were murdered brutally by that system? Recognition for the pain a family has been through, is an important part of accepting a loss. Let´s say there was such a thing as Armenian genocide: not only did the Ottoman Empire take their money and their lives, they also deny they did this.

 

No, bringing up genocide or any kind of war, does not mean you think that the people of nowadays would do the same. My grandfather fought at the Normandy front in the second world war. I have absolutely nothing against Germans, and when I think about Germans, Id sooner think of beer and bratwurst than of gasshowers. But when I see nazi´s in documentaries say there was no such thing as holocaust, it makes me angry. Because my grandfather risked his life to put an end to that. Denial of a painful historical fact, can be painful for the people of that country.

Im not saying anything about the ´so called´ genocide itself. I´m just explaining why it is normal for people to still talk about it, especially when it is unsolved and totally denied by one side.

 

and what do you think about the genocides carried aut against the Turks in the Balkans, Crimea, and Armenia. May I ask you what happened to the millions of Turks who had lived in these places before the ww1? Didn`t they have any properties? but who cares anyway if a couple millions of Muslims are killed by Christians?

15.       teaschip
3870 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 04:49 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

A considerable number of Turkish daily newspapers yesterday covered US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama´s selection of Senator Joe Biden as a running mate, with headlines expressing displeasure at Obama´s choice.

The Associated Press (AP) commented that Obama´s selection of Biden was designed to blunt criticism from Republican John McCain, who was drawing virtually even in the polls by attacking the Illinois senator as an inexperienced elitist not ready for the White House.

"Biden, who is 65, was clearly chosen over lesser-known Democrats to plug holes in Obama´s relatively thin resume on the national political scene and to blunt McCain´s relentless attacks on his lack of experience at a time when the United States is fighting two wars.

 

Read more: www.todayszaman.com

 

 After yesterdays speech by Biden he doesn´t believe he was the most qualified either.{#lang_emotions_you_crazy}  Clearly going by his words, Hillary was the better candidate for President/Vice President.

16.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 10:53 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

and what do you think about the genocides carried aut against the Turks in the Balkans, Crimea, and Armenia. May I ask you what happened to the millions of Turks who had lived in these places before the ww1? Didn`t they have any properties? but who cares anyway if a couple millions of Muslims are killed by Christians?

 

 I didn´t make any comment about my personal idea of the genocide. I just explained why the recognition of such an event (if it did happen) is important for the families, both financially and emotionally. I didn´t say that I ask for the turkish government to pay because I believe there has been a genocide against armenians.

 

So I don´t really see your point Nor did I say anything about religion here. I hope you don´t think I´m a Christian who is against Muslims, because I´m neither.

17.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 13 Sep 2008 Sat 02:10 am

John McCain has shown that he is willing to go into the gutter to win this election.

 

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=fd685f57-8a3a-4a28-be31-a662b522b589

18.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 03:21 pm

What Will The Neighbors Think?

Obama´s defeat would say that when handed a perfect opportunity to put the worst part of our history behind us, we chose not to.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/155117

 

19.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 15 Sep 2008 Mon 03:17 pm

What small-town America is saying about Obama

In diners and mobile homes from New Mexico to North Carolina, I listened to working-class people try to make sense of a black president named Barack.

http://www.salon.com/

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