Ros and Trudy,

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I really dont get whats the big fuss whith the whole armenian thing! Fine , what if a genocide really happened hundreds of years a go? Fine. Why bring it all up again, cause a group of turks did this, does that man that the turks of today still wanna do the same thing?Why bring up a hundred yar old case? Theyre living side by side ,

Sure. But what about the houses, the properties, the belongings, the savings, the agricultural sites that those Armenian people had to leave behind because they were sent to Syria? If historians will conclude mutually one day that there has been a genocide, the grandchildren, members of that family, have right to get paid for the financial loss in the family. And there are files of Ottoman Empire with this type of information (which piece of land with which kind of farming belonged to whom for instance). Acceptance by Turkey means a big financial debt to be fullfilled.

There are people speculating that Armenia only opened this subject again after Turkey´s economy started to be a rising star.. but I wouldnt know about that.

And apart from that, ´why bring up a hundred year old case´. I´m not comparing the Armenian issue with the Hitler holocaust concretely, just a general compensation: there are still some people in Germany who say that the holocaust never happened. How must that feel for people whose parents were murdered brutally by that system? Recognition for the pain a family has been through, is an important part of accepting a loss. Let´s say there was such a thing as Armenian genocide: not only did the Ottoman Empire take their money and their lives, they also deny they did this.

No, bringing up genocide or any kind of war, does not mean you think that the people of nowadays would do the same. My grandfather fought at the Normandy front in the second world war. I have absolutely nothing against Germans, and when I think about Germans, Id sooner think of beer and bratwurst than of gasshowers. But when I see nazi´s in documentaries say there was no such thing as holocaust, it makes me angry. Because my grandfather risked his life to put an end to that. Denial of a painful historical fact, can be painful for the people of that country.

Im not saying anything about the ´so called´ genocide itself. I´m just explaining why it is normal for people to still talk about it, especially when it is unsolved and totally denied by one side.

A considerable number of Turkish daily newspapers yesterday covered US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama´s selection of Senator Joe Biden as a running mate, with headlines expressing displeasure at Obama´s choice.

The Associated Press (AP) commented that Obama´s selection of Biden was designed to blunt criticism from Republican John McCain, who was drawing virtually even in the polls by attacking the Illinois senator as an inexperienced elitist not ready for the White House.

"Biden, who is 65, was clearly chosen over lesser-known Democrats to plug holes in Obama´s relatively thin resume on the national political scene and to blunt McCain´s relentless attacks on his lack of experience at a time when the United States is fighting two wars.

and what do you think about the genocides carried aut against the Turks in the Balkans, Crimea, and Armenia. May I ask you what happened to the millions of Turks who had lived in these places before the ww1? Didn`t they have any properties? but who cares anyway if a couple millions of Muslims are killed by Christians?