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Why do Turks Like Pakistan
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20.       adnanwk
1 posts
 16 Dec 2010 Thu 12:33 pm

Hi, I am from Pakistan.  There is some background that might be useful for you to understand the issue.

 

First muslim dynasty of India, from 1250 to about 1500 AD was Turkish speaking.  They were central asian turks and people living in modern day afghanistan. Later, mughals (from dynasty of Taimur) become ruler of India. They were also Turkish speaking people. So for a long time, Turkish was the language of the court and most muslim officials of the court were from Turkish race.  Later in mughal era, Farsi (persian) became language of the court and remained so for about 3 centuries.

 

This leaves us with a lot of common vocabulary and customs. The name of language of muslims of India - Urdu - is itself from Turk origin.

 

Muslim rulers used to take the "Letter of Legitimacy" for their rule from the Muslim Caliph.  And as such, till end of Khilafat (caliphate), muslim rulers of India too that letter from Ottoman Caliph and Ottoman Caliph was considered the ultimate authority for Indian Muslim rulers.  As such, Ottomans and Turks were considered "one of us", and "brothers".

 

During Ottoman/Russian wars of 19th century, and then later Balkan wars, indian muslims supported Turks.  The first Urdu novel, Fasana Azad, written in first or second decade of 1800s, is about a muslim youth of india who goes to Turkey to fight with Ottoman armies against Russians.

 

During first world war, and then later Turkish war of independence, muslims of India physically, monetarily and politically supported Turks.  The unrest in India, "The Jewel of British  Crown", was so strong that british court had to promise to Indian muslims that they´ll protect Turkish state and Caliphate and won´t break it up.

 

And if I remember correctly, it was a time when Turks were fighting alone.  Arabs and other muslims have been fighting against Turks and were giving full support to British and Allied armies. So in my opinion, at that time when Turks lost almost whole country to the invaders, the support of Indian muslims gave them tremendous moral boost and valuable gold to buy weapons.  And Turks still remember their nearly only allies in that war that without any self interest helped them.

 

Pakistan is generally a very hospitable nation.  Even Americans are met with very good hospitality (unless off course they go to taliban area), but if you say you are a Turk, you immediately become a good friend if not part of family.

 

And so far, this has been my own experience with Turks as well. They like Pakistanis.

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21.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Dec 2010 Thu 07:24 pm

To be honest, our contact with Pakistan is quite limited. Compared with the presence of European and US citizens from thousands of kilometers away, Pakistan seems farther than it actually is.

In the aftermath of the 1980 coup d´Etat in Turkey, our de facto ruler General Evren established a very candid friendship with your general Ziya Ul Haq. Pakistan was the first country to recognize the junta regime in Turkey. I was a school child then. I remember listening to marches going like : "Pakistan, Pakistan jive Pakistan...". Though there was still not much physical contact, our two countries had converged though at the command of two junta leaders.

I have met one or two persons from Pakistan in all my life. One of them was a lady who for all intents and purposes looks, talks and acts like a Western woman (having studied and lived in Britain).

Symapthy and empathy are usually responded with similar feelings; just like rivalry and disdain. Even if I don´t know much about Pakistan, I am naturally inclined to love people who don´t defy me, ridicule me or try to teach me lessons that I don´t need.

 

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22.       farazkhan
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 27 Apr 2013 Sat 08:02 pm

I am glad to have +ve remarks from Turkish people here about Pakistan.

One thing I want to make clear that we have not made flag same to as Turkish Flag. We had a green flag with a crescent and a star in the centre since last 600 years (Saltan-e-Hindustan, Saltan-e-Mughlia, Dhali Saltanat). When we partially recovered our destiny in 1947 from Britain and Hindus of India, we just added a white small potion in our flag.

23.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 28 Apr 2013 Sun 01:13 am

They still teach us how Pakistan helped us during Independance war. I guess this kind of things are never forgetten easily.

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24.       Mona123
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 10 Nov 2013 Sun 04:37 pm

hi turk pepole!

we all pakis love u and watch ur dramas...i want to come in turkey but dont have sufficient money now lollll as m student..but u guys cannot even imagine how much we love u all...stay blessed

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25.       kashf-ul-eman
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 10 Nov 2013 Sun 07:14 pm

Firstly, the support they received from the Muslims of Old India during their fight to push back the occupiers of their territory during the dying era of Caliphate and its immediate aftermath. In this era, the Caliphate only remained in the 30 miles radius of Istanbul. The rest of Turkey was occupied by France, Britain, Russia, Georgia, Armenia and Greece. The Turks defeated and pushed these powers out, one by one and after having suffered tremendous atrocities at the hands of these occupiers. This was the time when they needed support and the Muslims of sub-continent sent money by ship loads, even women gave their gold ornaments liberally.

Secondly, Pakistan and Libya were the only two countries in the world that provided unqualified support to the Turks during their invasion of Cyprus to free the Muslims for Cypriot occupation. When the first casualties arrived on Turkish shores, these were treated by the doctors of Pakistan Army and the Turks saw this on national television. The Libyans gave them ship loads of ammunition they needed.

The third aspect which some of my Pakistani friends may scoff at is that their religious practices are exactly the same as most most Pakistani Sunnis practice. There is no difference at all and therefore the natural religious affinity.

Being a Brother country we Pakistanies love Turks all the ways!

We have Pak Turks Education system

                     we Have Turkish Foods Resturants. 

                We love to watch turkish culture, films and drams on our media

              One Thing which is very unique we walk aroud Istanbul


 

 

At the end i must say here, distances never matter,races never matter, languages never matter.

 its our love , respect and sincerity that make us close.

A little dedication to all the Turks by my side !

 

 "Stay Happy,Healthy and wealthy Turkiye"

                                                                     Long Live !

                                                                  Kind Regards !

                                                        Kashf-ul-eman + Pakistan


 

 



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26.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 11 Nov 2013 Mon 01:27 am

It is so nice to read this Kashf. Unfortunately like button doesnt appear under your post. And one another reason to love Pakistan for me is your great poet Muhammed İqbal. Some call him the second Rumi. I read his works and liked a lot. I liked them so much, I wanted to share them with people. SO I gave them to university library. I guess it is time to buy them again from a bookshop



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27.       hazzel
13 posts
 11 Nov 2013 Mon 09:04 am

Günaydın kashf-ul-eman. Isn´t this true, that the Türks will like

anyone who will server to them?


When swimming in shark waters, it´s best to leave or get eaten.

My question to you is why are you swimming if your country´s leg is cut

and the Türks smell blood?

28.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 11 Nov 2013 Mon 10:10 am

 

Quoting hazzel

Günaydın kashf-ul-eman. Isn´t this true, that the Türks will like

anyone who will server to them?


When swimming in shark waters, it´s best to leave or get eaten.

My question to you is why are you swimming if your country´s leg is cut

and the Türks smell blood?

Are you high hazzel?

 

 



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29.       si++
3785 posts
 11 Nov 2013 Mon 10:31 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

It is so nice to read this Kashf. Unfortunately like button doesnt appear under your post. And one another reason to love Pakistan for me is your great poet Muhammed İqbal. Some call him the second Rumi. I read his works and liked a lot. I liked them so much, I wanted to share them with people. SO I gave them to university library. I guess it is time to buy them again from a bookshop

 

I´ll do it for you.

Somebody has to like it.

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30.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 11 Nov 2013 Mon 05:05 pm

 

Quoting hazzel

Günaydın kashf-ul-eman. Isn´t this true, that the Türks will like

anyone who will server to them?


When swimming in shark waters, it´s best to leave or get eaten.

My question to you is why are you swimming if your country´s leg is cut

and the Türks smell blood?

 

Merhaba Hazzel!

I don´t agree with this. its the nature of human being not only the Turks to like who serve them good.Its differ from person to person. In the same way i can say Americans are harsh in behave but i can´t, because natures varies from person to person.Its our own behave somtime that makes other good or bad.

Well!! Who says My country ´s leg is cut and Turks smell blood???  its your own assumption nothing else!

And yes! i would like to swim with such a beloved country Turkey!

Who cares the jealous fishes

No doubt turkey is our Brother country.We always welcome by heart.

With love,

                                                                                        Kashf-ul-eman


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