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Islam in Turkey is make-believe
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60.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 05:34 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 İm also still waiting for your supported link vineyards

You know the rules of the forums very well,needless to remind you,and although handsom has posted a link,but i dont think Wiki is the trusted documental site that we can relay and depend on in such quotation.

 

 Millions of people find wiki to be a trusted source of information and now you are saying it´s not good enough?  Or just not good enough in this situation?  I´m confused.  Should all wiki references also be banned from the site?  

61.       CANLI
5084 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 06:10 am

 

Quoting girleegirl

 Millions of people find wiki to be a trusted source of information and now you are saying it´s not good enough?  Or just not good enough in this situation?  I´m confused.  Should all wiki references also be banned from the site?  

 

 

Mmmm,ok,it maybe a trusted source of information,but surely its not documental one

That is not something one can say to another just like that,that is  part of history,about  leader...so yes,wiki not good enough 

62.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 06:22 am

 

Quoting CANLI

so yes,wiki not good enough 

 

 In your opinion.  {#lang_emotions_smile}

63.       CANLI
5084 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 06:24 am

 

Quoting girleegirl

 In your opinion.  {#lang_emotions_smile}

 

 Well,and also in any debats between any political parts

64.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 06:26 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 Well,and also in any debats between any political parts

 

 Hmmm...what´s your source?  {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

65.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 08:52 am

 

Quoting girleegirl

 what I should have said is why do you keep quoting admin.  

 

 Simple . . . I quoted Admin. (for the same reason you "keep" quoting mltm) because it was pertinent to the comments I wished to make.  I believe this is why a "Quote" facility has been made available to us.  Also it makes threads easier to follow, rather than scrolling back and forth and it´s more accurate than paraphrasing, so there´s no chance of misquoting.  As a seasoned member who knows her links and her way around the site, I thought you already knew that.  Glad I could be of service .

 

Quote:

don´t you keep worrying your teeny little brain over me.  You don´t have anything to offer that could possibly agitate me.

 Clearly you were agitated enough to respond to my original posts and all because I quoted Admin.  I think the exclamation marks gave it away.

Quote: Girleegirl

You don´t have anything to offer that could possibly agitate me.

 

Oh gg!  Me thinks you love me really

 

Quote:

 

And since you seem to have such issues with me, you may want to start to follow your own advice.

 

 Nope, no issues with you at all and you haven´t done or said anything I wish to complain to Admin about, I´m easy going that way

 

Well it´s been nice speaking to you again gg, always a pleasure and never a chore

 

 

 

 

 

 

66.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 09:13 am

 

Quoting peacetrain

Clearly you were agitated enough to respond to my original posts and all because I quoted Admin.  I think the exclamation marks gave it away.

 

In case you haven’t noticed, which I am sure you have as you clearly have read enough of my posts...…I always use exclamation points!!! You can trust my words when I say…nothing you do agitates/bothers/disturbs me.

I started my sentence with the comment because I find it amusing…as I already stated but you have difficulty conceptualizing….that you seem to have made yourself the guardian of admins words.

Once more, for your edification, I was actually commenting on censorship. I think that should be clear enough even for someone like you. 

67.       mltm
3690 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 11:09 am

Who claims that wikipedia is a trustworthy site must be so far away from scientific research. For that person the most important thing that he/she has ever researched in his/her entire life must be the number of kids Angelina and Brad Pitt have adopted.

 

Inwikipedia while reading some important thing about a certain chemical reaction, you may be finding yourself reading something about how nice the weather is or a cookies recipe of someone´s grandma. Once whilst reading something I did not like, I just wished to change it, and I wrote what I wanted.

 

Let´s look at handsom´s source in this "reliable source":

"From Quotes about Atatürk:

Our life here is truly hellish. Fortunately, my soldiers are very brave and tougher than the enemy. What is more, their private beliefs make it easier to carry out orders which send them to their death. They see only two supernatural outcomes: victory for the faith or martyrdom. Do you know what the second means? It is to go straight to heaven. There, the houris, God´s most beautiful women, will meet them and will satisfy their desires for all eternity. What great happiness! "

 

And to see how trustworthy it is, let´s look at this page once again to see at the bottom of the page a new brand edition lol lol

As quoted from wikipedia:

"Quotes about Atatürk

  • handsom visited here (23 septembre) to copy paste a quote from wikipedia which is his great source. Since he found wikipedia, he lives very happyly. J´AIME TOUS LE MONDE!!! BISOUS!""

68.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 12:12 pm

 

Quoting mltm

Who claims that wikipedia is a trustworthy site must be so far away from scientific research. For that person the most important thing that he/she has ever researched in his/her entire life must be the number of kids Angelina and Brad Pitt have adopted.

 

Inwikipedia while reading some important thing about a certain chemical reaction, you may be finding yourself reading something about how nice the weather is or a cookies recipe of someone´s grandma. Once whilst reading something I did not like, I just wished to change it, and I wrote what I wanted.

 

Let´s look at handsom´s source in this "reliable source":

"From Quotes about Atatürk:

Our life here is truly hellish. Fortunately, my soldiers are very brave and tougher than the enemy. What is more, their private beliefs make it easier to carry out orders which send them to their death. They see only two supernatural outcomes: victory for the faith or martyrdom. Do you know what the second means? It is to go straight to heaven. There, the houris, God´s most beautiful women, will meet them and will satisfy their desires for all eternity. What great happiness! "

 

And to see how trustworthy it is, let´s look at this page once again to see at the bottom of the page a new brand edition lol lol

As quoted from wikipedia:

"Quotes about Atatürk

  • handsom visited here (23 septembre) to copy paste a quote from wikipedia which is his great source. Since he found wikipedia, he lives very happyly. J´AIME TOUS LE MONDE!!! BISOUS!""

Look mltm..

You should stop this obsession of yours with me. OK?

I came across that quote in various Turkish sites ages ago. (I have not read the book myself but people were giving the page number and everything what would yourself think?)

And you should stop trying to associate Ataturk with religions. 

It is a sheer insult to Ataturk in my view..

69.       mltm
3690 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 12:42 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Look mltm..

You should stop this obsession of yours with me. OK?

I came across that quote in various Turkish sites ages ago. (I have not read the book myself but people were giving the page number and everything what would yourself think?)

And you should stop trying to associate Ataturk with religions. 

It is a sheer insult to Ataturk in my view..

 

 Look handsom,

I´ll discuss here as a member who uses her freedom of speech, so listen to it like this.

I never associated Ataturk with religions, that´s why I got especially angry, so you agree with me. In your dear views then, what vineyards did was insulting, though I just asked him for the source so that we would know who claimed it.

Indeed that claim has been made by Grace Ellison who we learn that is a british journalist. That claim belongs to her and just to her, though it is not like saying just her view, she claims that it is his exact words, though just one journalist, and she is british, at that time in 1920s british and ottomans had what kind of relations? , no record, nothing that would support this claim other than it is in her book. She has NO PROOF while we have so many reliable sources that are proof about what Ataturk said about religion.

But the important thing is not that. Ataturk might have whatever religion, he can be muslim, jew, atheist, or deist, that religion part does not interest anyone. Why Ataturk is so important to Turkish people is not because of his religion but because of what he has done for the republic of Turkey. Bringing here one person´s claim that has no proof serves to whom? Apart from seperating people about Ataturk, creating chaos. For freedom of speech ok, but here I am not trying to ban his right to say this, I am now discussing as a forum member here who has the freedom of speech.

Apart from my personal opiinon, as a mod here now, such a claim should have had a source under. Everyone should have known that it was GRACE ELLISON´S, a british journalist´s claim in her book.

70.       WarTrain
325 posts
 24 Sep 2008 Wed 01:00 pm

 

Quoting mltm

Who claims that wikipedia is a trustworthy site must be so far away from scientific research. For that person the most important thing that he/she has ever researched in his/her entire life must be the number of kids Angelina and Brad Pitt have adopted.

 

 

Meltem you are an intellectual snob, which is the worst kind.  Perhaps you may be interested to know that academics at Oxford University in England tested the reliability of Wikipedia last year and found it to be 98% accurate - which is actually more accurate than the Encyclopaedia Britannica (a rather more respected source).

 

Being a scientist does not automatically make you intellectually superior.

 

You appreciate all that Ataturk did and want all Turkey to feel the same way. People who agree with you even created a law to prevent people speaking otherwise.  However I have news for you .... he was not a god, he was human and fallible and, whilst you hate the idea, many people in Turkey do not share your high opinion of him.

 

You disbelieve somebody because they were not Turkish? You must disbelieve an awful lot in life then.... lol

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